Topic: Trust Feedback Policies (Read 332 times)

Borrowing in Bitcoin makes zero sense with its highly unpredictable market it can be a very risky business move. At least fiat doesn't rise up suddenly and then crash a few months later. I know why people do it though they are either predicting a crash or they are struggling to get banks to lend to them because of their credit rating.

Your post is very similar to the call to stop breeding farms, sell and buy accounts, deceive people and send measures between their own accounts. They don't care about decent members of the forum and the forum rules. For such people, only earnings are important.

This is why when I start my lending business on forum, it'll be done through stable coins.  Example I lend you $1000 in USDC after three weeks you pay me $1100 in USDC too. The volatile nature of bitcoin isn't fair for loan businesses sometimes it favors you while sometimes it doesn't.

I'm never sure why people lend Bitcoin. If you haven't got the money to buy Bitcoin through an exchange, then you are probably borrowing the Bitcoin to convert to fiat, and you hope that the price will go down, so that your repayment will be lower. If the price goes up, and it may be an exponential gain, then you probably won't have the money to pay back the debt. This is why I wouldn't trust anyone who is involved in the Bitcoin loan business. I'm not sure that I would tag them, unless it was proven to be a scam or a default.

read meta - READ THE FUCKING RULES...

rest is common sense really

A very useful guide and I have something to add:

Don't offer an escrow service for large sums when you have only little or no trading history. This is a required criteria to offer a trusted escrow. Otherways, you'll receive negative trust sooner or later. 

It might be a wasted effort but maybe I should move this to beginners and help as its suppose to be for those that are new to the forum and might not understand what trust ratings should/shouldn't be sent for. Maybe that's a better approach to this thread by including what trust is sent for and what it shouldn't be sent for. Rather than things that can land you a negative.

Your question may as well be a rhetorical one.  All of these things are what should make someone a DT1/DT2 member in the first place, not some rules new DT members should become aware of after the fact.  I respect OP's effort, but any DT member should know not to do all of these things, and if they do end up sending merits to alts or abusing bounties they're not going to be on DT for long.

And just like that huge thread in Meta explaining about why accounts get banned and what to do, I highly doubt anyone is going to use this as a reference.  Call me jaded, but I think it's a wasted effort here.

Added! Great input. I think there were a lot of trustworthy members accepting collateral for Bitcointalk accounts because they were relying on people valuing that account more than the loan requested but its a poor business decision unless you intend to offload said account. If you don't and the loan is defaulted then the collateral meant nothing and you've just lost out on that. I agree that this should no longer be an acceptable thing to do.

They probably aren't gong to read it if they intend to scam etc. But the list wouldn't be complete without listing that. But this is more intended to those that aren't clear of things that aren't immediately obvious. The collateral thing that you pitched in with for example isn't a clear and defined thing. That is something that many escrows and other trustworthy members have participated in.

I probably can't list everything but I'm going to try and do it anyway. If it benefits a few people then its useful.

Don't buy or otherwise acquire (e.g. as collateral) Bitcointalk account(s). Don't sell or otherwise let others use your Bitcointalk account(s).

If you acquire an account you can be held responsible for any actions of the previous owner(s), and if you let others use an account you can be held responsible for their actions as well, including scams and bannable offenses. You're likely to get red trust for the purchase/sale as it is considered a deceptive practice similar to fake documents IRL.

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TBH I'm not really sure if you can list every possible offense. How about loan requests without proper collateral, newbie PayPal trades, etc.

And even if you can - are the people who do these things going to read this and comply?

I'm not on DefaultTrust and didn't use the trust system because I thought it was a broken system to begin with but looking at the new changes I will be looking to start sending trust ratings myself and get more involved in that area of the forum.


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Suchmoon Collateral

With the new changes to DefaultTrust I would like to outline what is accepted and what is not within the community hopefully with all the new DefaultTrust members pitching in. Hopefully this provides a simple lookup for newbies that would prove beneficial. Most of this stuff is common sense and following basic moral codes but it might be a good idea to have it in writing to prevent any "ignorance claims". I would therefore like to create a list which will hopefully be expanded on by the community and we can create general guidelines to forum etiquette and what certain actions will land you but also to provide a more standardized approach to leaving feedback as a lot of people just use it wrongly and leave negative feedback for the wrong things such as spam which should be a moderation issue instead of a DefaultTrust issue.

1. Do not enroll multiple accounts to abuse campaigns.

Multiple accounts are allowed per the forum rules. But if you are using multiple accounts to abuse signature campaigns/bounty campaigns then you will get a negative trust rating sooner rather than later.

2. Do not use multiple accounts to send merit to each account.
This is called merit farming. Under no circumstances should you send merits to another account that you control. There are several members of the forum that are doing data analysis and have complete logs of all merit ever sent. If you are sending merit between alt accounts you will be found out.  

3. Do not use multiple accounts to send trust to each account.
Trust farming. Exactly the same as number 2. but with trust instead. The exact same consequences will be met. Red trust.

4. Do not advertise scams e.g Ponzi schemes. (Do your own research)

When advertising any project whether it be a gambling site or altcoin do your own research and make sure that its a legit business and is following good ethnics. Unforeseen circumstances sometimes pop up but if you are found promoting a obvious scam attempt without doing any of your own research you may receive a negative feedback for supporting such a project.

5. Do not lend/trade with alternative accounts to farm trust or build a public reputation.
This ties in with trust farming but even if you are not sending trust between accounts and you are doing it in the public eye hoping that you can reference to that to build your reputation then this is a quick way of getting negative feedback once someone catches onto the idea.

6. Do not scam. E.g promising things you can't deliver

When offering a service/product and you have accept payment then you need to either deliver that product or offer a full refund. Not after getting exposed but as soon as the trade has fallen flat on its face. Bad customer service is not an excuse.

7. Do not lie
Lying is a bad trait to have anyway and white lies are told all over the forum. But if you are lying about sensitive issues such as owning a alt account and doing something shady with it. Just admit it and be as honest and transparent as possible if you want any sort of hope salvaging any sort of reputation.

8. Do not commit fraud
This includes; Selling carded credit cards, selling hacked accounts, selling hacked databases, selling bank details/personal data. What ever you are selling make sure that's legal in your country and that you have permission to sell sensitive data.

9. Don't buy or otherwise acquire (e.g. as collateral) Bitcointalk account(s). Don't sell or otherwise let others use your Bitcointalk account(s).

If you acquire an account you can be held responsible for any actions of the previous owner(s), and if you let others use an account you can be held responsible for their actions as well, including scams and bannable offenses. You're likely to get red trust for the purchase/sale as it is considered a deceptive practice similar to fake documents IRL.

Things that are not DefaultTrust matters:

1. Spam

2. Plagiarism

3. Ban Evading

All of these issues are down to the staff members to sort out. I don't think that DefaultTrust should get involved in this unless they are extreme cases and the staff don't seem to be doing anything about it.