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Quote from: teddy5145 on December 25, 2015, 03:53:44 AM

Quote from: Duomo on December 24, 2015, 07:21:14 PM

I don't understand what is wrong with your thinking. You are asking for 50BTC, okay count them all the way from one to fifty. 50BTC is $22,800 (U.S.D), you are asking random people you have never met in your life and will never meet again for almost $23,000. Do you think anyone will give this you? Then the argument is I am not thief because I haven't stolen any money here yet, well no one here trusts you to give you that money. After you take that money, you are a thief, but no one will give you money to steal so you are not a thief. So you are just a person requesting a large sum of money because you don't have any money. So finally, the answer is no. You made a stupid request and you just don't understand.

Debating with him is useless, he's just gonna keep saying "But you don't have proof, you can't call me a scammer hurr durr"
I think we should just let this topic dead and ignore him because there is no way he will admit he was wrong Tongue

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Debating with him is useless

Because you know that i am right.

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Quote from: Duomo on December 24, 2015, 07:21:14 PM

I don't understand what is wrong with your thinking. You are asking for 50BTC, okay count them all the way from one to fifty. 50BTC is $22,800 (U.S.D), you are asking random people you have never met in your life and will never meet again for almost $23,000. Do you think anyone will give this you? Then the argument is I am not thief because I haven't stolen any money here yet, well no one here trusts you to give you that money. After you take that money, you are a thief, but no one will give you money to steal so you are not a thief. So you are just a person requesting a large sum of money because you don't have any money. So finally, the answer is no. You made a stupid request and you just don't understand.

Debating with him is useless, he's just gonna keep saying "But you don't have proof, you can't call me a scammer hurr durr"
I think we should just let this topic dead and ignore him because there is no way he will admit he was wrong Tongue

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I don't understand what is wrong with your thinking. You are asking for 50BTC, okay count them all the way from one to fifty. 50BTC is $22,800 (U.S.D), you are asking random people you have never met in your life and will never meet again for almost $23,000. Do you think anyone will give this you? Then the argument is I am not thief because I haven't stolen any money here yet, well no one here trusts you to give you that money. After you take that money, you are a thief, but no one will give you money to steal so you are not a thief. So you are just a person requesting a large sum of money because you don't have any money. So finally, the answer is no. You made a stupid request and you just don't understand.

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I dare you to post that loan request on hackforums

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Quote from: KWH on December 23, 2015, 11:33:02 AM

Nope, it's not Trust abuse. Anyone can leave whatever they want as feedback, especially if they are leaving as a warning for suspected thieves. The key is to make sure it isn't frivolous feedback resulting in the dilution of your own reputation.
Your continued posturing for "proof of scam" is a red herring.

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Anyone can leave whatever they want as feedback

That's where the abuse comes in. They can ruin anyone's reputation without any reason.

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especially if they are leaving as a warning for suspected thieves

Why call him "thief" if he is a "suspected thief" ?
What is the reason that you are suspecting him to be a thief.

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Your continued posturing for "proof of scam" is a red herring.

That doesn't make any sense. Asking for a reason or proof that someone have done this thing in past is not a "red herring".

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Quote from: s1ng on December 23, 2015, 09:21:59 AM

Imagine if you have unknown people that knock out your door. Once you open it, there is someone looking for $ 1 million loan and will give you back $ 33.333,33 per day
How do you feel then ?

For me, I fell that I'm still don't know him very well so I can accuse him as a scammer ( just at my thought )

But sir i am not asking for 1 million so there is big difference...

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Quote from: teddy5145 on December 23, 2015, 08:59:29 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 06:42:36 AM

Quote from: teddy5145 on December 23, 2015, 03:00:31 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes

people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

Sir, if you kindly read my thread i have said that if any lender is interested he can contact me and i will provide each and every information about company and how the investment is going to work.

Oh for real, you created the topic in front of the public to see and it is fair for you to reveal the information to public, how about you reveal the information to me, then i can bring it to the public
Assuming you do have the legit proof Tongue

Why to give information to those who are not interested?
It's like telling someone something which he is not interested in listening - means wasting your and his time.

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Quote from: Vod on December 23, 2015, 07:01:24 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 06:44:12 AM

Let me see the proof, Vod. Not only me let everyone see the proof that i am a scammer. Bring it to public.

I'm sure you understand that if I revealed how I knew you were a scammer, you would use that to create another account I could not detect.

But trust me, I have proven 100% you are a scammer.

Sir, after all the negative comments and criticism i am not going to create another to receive the same thing. I am going to use only my this account to fight this thing.
And if you are so sure why don't you tell other people so they can also use your method to be safe from scammers ??

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Nope, it's not Trust abuse. Anyone can leave whatever they want as feedback, especially if they are leaving as a warning for suspected thieves. The key is to make sure it isn't frivolous feedback resulting in the dilution of your own reputation.
Your continued posturing for "proof of scam" is a red herring.

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Quote from: s1ng on December 23, 2015, 09:21:59 AM

Imagine if you have unknown people that knock out your door. Once you open it, there is someone looking for $ 1 million loan and will give you back $ 33.333,33 per day
How do you feel then ?

For me, I fell that I'm still don't know him very well so I can accuse him as a scammer ( just at my thought )

Well you know the old one "If it's too good to be true..."
Just use your common sense in detecting scammers. It's quite easy.

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Imagine if you have unknown people that knock out your door. Once you open it, there is someone looking for $ 1 million loan and will give you back $ 33.333,33 per day
How do you feel then ?

For me, I fell that I'm still don't know him very well so I can accuse him as a scammer ( just at my thought )

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 06:42:36 AM

Quote from: teddy5145 on December 23, 2015, 03:00:31 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes

people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

Sir, if you kindly read my thread i have said that if any lender is interested he can contact me and i will provide each and every information about company and how the investment is going to work.

Oh for real, you created the topic in front of the public to see and it is fair for you to reveal the information to public, how about you reveal the information to me, then i can bring it to the public
Assuming you do have the legit proof Tongue

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 06:44:12 AM

Let me see the proof, Vod. Not only me let everyone see the proof that i am a scammer. Bring it to public.

I'm sure you understand that if I revealed how I knew you were a scammer, you would use that to create another account I could not detect.

But trust me, I have proven 100% you are a scammer.

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Quote from: Vod on December 23, 2015, 03:21:20 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

I have absolute 100% proof you are a scammer. I hope you understand I can't reveal my methods for determining so, or else you would create another scammer account a different way.

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I have absolute 100% proof you are a scammer.

Let me see the proof, Vod. Not only me let everyone see the proof that i am a scammer. Bring it to public.

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Quote from: teddy5145 on December 23, 2015, 03:00:31 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes

people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

Sir, if you kindly read my thread i have said that if any lender is interested he can contact me and i will provide each and every information about company and how the investment is going to work.

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

I have absolute 100% proof you are a scammer. I hope you understand I can't reveal my methods for determining so, or else you would create another scammer account a different way.

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes

people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

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Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

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Quote from: subSTRATA on December 23, 2015, 12:06:47 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 11:00:35 PM

Quote from: subSTRATA on December 22, 2015, 10:55:03 PM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 10:48:59 PM

Quote from: Graphics on December 21, 2015, 11:25:06 PM

We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.

Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.

negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted.
Why not to be trusted ? You have proof of him being not able to trust ? Any past deals or things like that which can prove that this user is not trust worthy?

looks like you were given red ratings ffor asking for large amounts of money with no collateral on a fairly new throw away-able account. if this doesnt make sense to you, lets put it into simpler words.

lets say you met some random 12 year old kid youve never met or even seen before today while walking to the pharmacy down the street or something because you wanted to buy a candle. why a candle? i dont know either. im just making shit up.
kid asks you: "ayy can i have like 800 dollars? i PROMISE ill pay you back, im CLEARLY trustable."
are you going to give the kid 800 dollars? or are you going to think something like "man fuck this kid im not trusting you for a split second you scammin kid."
probably the latter. does it make more sense now?

First of all thank you for your well explained example.
But i am not a kid and yes if you read my thread i have been saying that i will give each and every information about how the investment will work and how we will be getting 2BTC daily.

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 11:00:35 PM

Quote from: subSTRATA on December 22, 2015, 10:55:03 PM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 10:48:59 PM

Quote from: Graphics on December 21, 2015, 11:25:06 PM

We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.

Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.

negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted.
Why not to be trusted ? You have proof of him being not able to trust ? Any past deals or things like that which can prove that this user is not trust worthy?

looks like you were given red ratings ffor asking for large amounts of money with no collateral on a fairly new throw away-able account. if this doesnt make sense to you, lets put it into simpler words.

lets say you met some random 12 year old kid youve never met or even seen before today while walking to the pharmacy down the street or something because you wanted to buy a candle. why a candle? i dont know either. im just making shit up.
kid asks you: "ayy can i have like 800 dollars? i PROMISE ill pay you back, im CLEARLY trustable."
are you going to give the kid 800 dollars? or are you going to think something like "man fuck this kid im not trusting you for a split second you scammin kid."
probably the latter. does it make more sense now?

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It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 10:57:25 PM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 21, 2015, 11:45:06 PM

I invite all of you folks to take a look at my feedback and tell me if that's abuse or not. I've done a grand total of one (1) deal here on bitcointalk, selling some Coke codes and the deal went fine. Those other fuckers who left me red trust are just angry assholes who didn't like comments I made. So yeah, trust abuse is rampant here. Look at Vod's feedback--tons of retaliatory feedback that's complete horse shit.

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Those other fuckers who left me red trust are just angry assholes who didn't like comments I made. So yeah, trust abuse is rampant here. Look at Vod's feedback--tons of retaliatory feedback that's complete horse shit.

That's the thing i have been talking about. It is being abused.

Indeed it is, but we all hope that bct users are smart enough to evaluate feedback themselves--if there's no reference to a bct thread where a deal went down or blockchain proof of a scam, it's possible the accusation is a lie. Those trust feedbacks on my profile is a fine example of that.

But hey, that's the way the admins want it. It's their game, so I'm just playing it by their rules.

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Quote from: subSTRATA on December 22, 2015, 10:55:03 PM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 10:48:59 PM

Quote from: Graphics on December 21, 2015, 11:25:06 PM

We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.

Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.

negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted.
Why not to be trusted ? You have proof of him being not able to trust ? Any past deals or things like that which can prove that this user is not trust worthy?

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Quote from: Monnt on December 22, 2015, 10:53:06 PM

OP clearly has attention deficit... I strongly suggest that OP if you don't want more criticism please close this thread and go work for legit BTC.
Thank you.

Bitcointalk community has helped me to become used to criticism, now i don't care what happens.
What else you have to offer instead of criticism? Clearly, nothing. Because it's easy to criticize others but difficult to handle when someone criticize you.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 21, 2015, 11:45:06 PM

I invite all of you folks to take a look at my feedback and tell me if that's abuse or not. I've done a grand total of one (1) deal here on bitcointalk, selling some Coke codes and the deal went fine. Those other fuckers who left me red trust are just angry assholes who didn't like comments I made. So yeah, trust abuse is rampant here. Look at Vod's feedback--tons of retaliatory feedback that's complete horse shit.

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Those other fuckers who left me red trust are just angry assholes who didn't like comments I made. So yeah, trust abuse is rampant here. Look at Vod's feedback--tons of retaliatory feedback that's complete horse shit.

That's the thing i have been talking about. It is being abused.

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 10:48:59 PM

Quote from: Graphics on December 21, 2015, 11:25:06 PM

We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.

Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.

negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

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No it is not right to call someone a scammer without proper proof.

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OP clearly has attention deficit... I strongly suggest that OP if you don't want more criticism please close this thread and go work for legit BTC.
Thank you.

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Quote from: zivone on December 21, 2015, 11:33:40 PM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 21, 2015, 04:20:51 AM

Please answer honestly and use your commonsense.
No negative words please.

Give respect, take respect.

Well honestly, that's it they used their commonsense as you said. Asking 50BTC without any collateral or any clear details, those with commonsense just don't trust something like that and giving you negative trust to warn others. This is the internet, expect even more than just a negative word.

Sir, this poll is not for me only. Using commonsense means i wanted everyone to vote without taking my case in it.

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Quote from: DaddyMonsi on December 21, 2015, 11:27:29 PM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 21, 2015, 04:20:51 AM

Please answer honestly and use your commonsense.
No negative words please.

Give respect, take respect.

If this is about the comments on you loan request, then trust was not abused there.
Instead of asking people to use commonsense, you should apply that to your self, after so many pages and yet no one is interested in funding your loan, that should give you a clear message that something is wrong with your request, not something is wrong with the people posting from your loan request.

No, it is not about me it's about all others who have been given negative trust without any reason.
Something is wrong with people calling someone scammer without having proof of it.

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You're the abuser for the trust system. Look at how many negative trusts you've got. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Graphics on December 21, 2015, 11:25:06 PM

We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.

Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.

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Quote from: jacktheking on December 21, 2015, 11:21:48 PM

You are not new to the forums, are you? I have a feeling that you are just trolling. No one that have normal senses would ask for 22 000 USD online and promise a return of 800 USD every day. If you are not crazy and really have a good business plan, I would suggest you to go with Bank Loan. Bitcoin is not the type of currency you would want to play around with big business as it is very unstable.

I am new and no i am not here to troll or scam anyone. And i think you have not read my thread. Anyway this poll is neutral and is for everyone not only because of what happened to me.

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Quote from: teddy5145 on December 21, 2015, 11:19:12 PM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 21, 2015, 10:39:28 AM

Quote from: teddy5145 on December 21, 2015, 07:23:13 AM

No, there is no trust abuse here, It's called COMMON SENSE
You asked for a huge loan without any details or proof that you will use the coins on the right way, you need to know that Bitcoins is irreversible so once that people funded your loan he can't take that coins back in case you scams (Which i think you will do anyway)
So no, keep dreaming and maybe you will get your loan but in the meantime you can keep begging for loan but we are not going to fall for it Roll Eyes

Sir, i am not only talking about myself. There are some like me who are honest but when those who call us scammers who have not even had a deal with us we feel bad.
"(Which i think you will do anyway)" You are thinking absolutely wrong.
I am not begging here for loan i am begging for some understanding.
And yes, you don't even need to fall for it.
And sir, this poll was not created because it happened to me... it was created because people are not using the trust system as it should be.

You don't need to make a deal with someone to call the scammers, some people can smell scams few miles away even before doing any kind of trades you know Roll Eyes

Your loan topic is like Nigerian scams that happened in the early 2000's
"Im Nigerian prince, i will give you $1000 if you send me $500 first"
"Hi i need 50 BTC for "Investment" and i will give you 2 BTC Daily"
Basically the same, the only difference i see is that many people fell for Nigerian scams while nobody will fall for yours Tongue

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it was created because people are not using the trust system as it should be.

So how the trust system should be used ?

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You don't need to make a deal with someone to call the scammers

You are wrong here, sir.

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So how the trust system should be used ?

When you have dealt with someone and based on your experience with him/her you should give feedback.
Not when you haven't even heard what is being said and just go to feedback and rate someone that he is scammer.

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All of the red trust you received is absolutely warranted and deserved. If you really wanted to grow the community and get involved, you would have done so slowly, learning how things work the whole way over years of thoughtful conversation and good deals. Instead, you decide to blatantly ask for an absurd amount of bitcoin, that frankly, maybe 5 accounts on these forums would have any chance of actually getting filed without collateral. I have been around here for years and have done hundreds of trades and wouldn't even feel like I have a snowballs chance in hell of receiving a 50 btc loan without collateral, and yet, you continue to think that if you post enough and continue to complain, all of a sudden someone will warm up to the idea of handing over 20 grand to an anonymous person.

So, take what you have learned and go slowly. Start building trust by doing trades and giving good advice. Eventually, people will start trusting you, but until then, every bit of red trust you receive in warranted, and you will probably start getting some for complaining (which is absolutely what trust is about, and would be well within the trust bounds).

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I invite all of you folks to take a look at my feedback and tell me if that's abuse or not. I've done a grand total of one (1) deal here on bitcointalk, selling some Coke codes and the deal went fine. Those other fuckers who left me red trust are just angry assholes who didn't like comments I made. So yeah, trust abuse is rampant here. Look at Vod's feedback--tons of retaliatory feedback that's complete horse shit.

zivone

full member

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 21, 2015, 04:20:51 AM

Please answer honestly and use your commonsense.
No negative words please.

Give respect, take respect.

Well honestly, that's it they used their commonsense as you said. Asking 50BTC without any collateral or any clear details, those with commonsense just don't trust something like that and giving you negative trust to warn others. This is the internet, expect even more than just a negative word.

DaddyMonsi

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 21, 2015, 04:20:51 AM

Please answer honestly and use your commonsense.
No negative words please.

Give respect, take respect.

If this is about the comments on you loan request, then trust was not abused there.
Instead of asking people to use commonsense, you should apply that to your self, after so many pages and yet no one is interested in funding your loan, that should give you a clear message that something is wrong with your request, not something is wrong with the people posting from your loan request.

Graphics

sr. member

Activity: 387

Merit: 250

We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

jacktheking

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You are not new to the forums, are you? I have a feeling that you are just trolling. No one that have normal senses would ask for 22 000 USD online and promise a return of 800 USD every day. If you are not crazy and really have a good business plan, I would suggest you to go with Bank Loan. Bitcoin is not the type of currency you would want to play around with big business as it is very unstable.

teddy5145

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 21, 2015, 10:39:28 AM

Quote from: teddy5145 on December 21, 2015, 07:23:13 AM

No, there is no trust abuse here, It's called COMMON SENSE
You asked for a huge loan without any details or proof that you will use the coins on the right way, you need to know that Bitcoins is irreversible so once that people funded your loan he can't take that coins back in case you scams (Which i think you will do anyway)
So no, keep dreaming and maybe you will get your loan but in the meantime you can keep begging for loan but we are not going to fall for it Roll Eyes

Sir, i am not only talking about myself. There are some like me who are honest but when those who call us scammers who have not even had a deal with us we feel bad.
"(Which i think you will do anyway)" You are thinking absolutely wrong.
I am not begging here for loan i am begging for some understanding.
And yes, you don't even need to fall for it.
And sir, this poll was not created because it happened to me... it was created because people are not using the trust system as it should be.

You don't need to make a deal with someone to call the scammers, some people can smell scams few miles away even before doing any kind of trades you know Roll Eyes

Your loan topic is like Nigerian scams that happened in the early 2000's
"Im Nigerian prince, i will give you $1000 if you send me $500 first"
"Hi i need 50 BTC for "Investment" and i will give you 2 BTC Daily"
Basically the same, the only difference i see is that many people fell for Nigerian scams while nobody will fall for yours Tongue

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it was created because people are not using the trust system as it should be.

So how the trust system should be used ?

AliTraders

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Quote from: teddy5145 on December 21, 2015, 07:23:13 AM

No, there is no trust abuse here, It's called COMMON SENSE
You asked for a huge loan without any details or proof that you will use the coins on the right way, you need to know that Bitcoins is irreversible so once that people funded your loan he can't take that coins back in case you scams (Which i think you will do anyway)
So no, keep dreaming and maybe you will get your loan but in the meantime you can keep begging for loan but we are not going to fall for it Roll Eyes

Sir, i am not only talking about myself. There are some like me who are honest but when those who call us scammers who have not even had a deal with us we feel bad.
"(Which i think you will do anyway)" You are thinking absolutely wrong.
I am not begging here for loan i am begging for some understanding.
And yes, you don't even need to fall for it.
And sir, this poll was not created because it happened to me... it was created because people are not using the trust system as it should be.

teddy5145

hero member

Activity: 714

Merit: 528

No, there is no trust abuse here, It's called COMMON SENSE
You asked for a huge loan without any details or proof that you will use the coins on the right way, you need to know that Bitcoins is irreversible so once that people funded your loan he can't take that coins back in case you scams (Which i think you will do anyway)
So no, keep dreaming and maybe you will get your loan but in the meantime you can keep begging for loan but we are not going to fall for it Roll Eyes

Parazyd

hero member

Activity: 812

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I don't think it's okay, but if a user is a newbie and requests lending of a few BTC, one should be very careful and the trust system helps there.

The people on this forum think of the trust system as some kind of reputation that goes on around other forums I don't even want to type the name of.
There's nothing wrong with flagging newbies with negative trust. If you can prove that you are not a scammer, the negative trust can easily be removed.

asa.convex

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Activity: 134

Merit: 100

Quote from: AliTraders on December 21, 2015, 04:20:51 AM

Please answer honestly and use your commonsense.

If you have enough evidence to prove that the guy is attempting to scam, then yes.

But proof is always needed.

brituspol

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Activity: 458

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From nothing to nothing

No its not /thread

armour

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You don't need proof for your situation.
- Asking for 50 BTC
- Giving a promise and that's it, nothing in case your INVESTMENT crashes or you run.

Get off the internet you scumbag

AliTraders

newbie

Activity: 56

Merit: 0

Please answer honestly and use your commonsense.
No negative words please.

Give respect, take respect.

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