I am serious about keeping that topic clean and free from discussion for clarity sake. I won't be bringing all posts here to be preserved should individuals wish to create a topic for discussion, but if I think you put in some effort or it isn't just a repetitive post that you or others have already wedged into many discussions before. I will put the quotes in Code, and will mark them by the date I delete them.
Feel free to discuss my method here, but not your posts or idea. Create your own thread or go discuss on-topic in the original topic in meta.
Deletions from Feb 23 2020.
Code:
[quote author=LoyceV link=topic=5222059.msg53887841#msg53887841 date=1582356219]
[quote author=Vod link=topic=5222059.msg53887612#msg53887612 date=1582352720]
If I were to create a type 2/3 flag against OGNasty, who is guilty of stealing 500 bitcoin cash from the community, I think I would probably be banned. (He did return it [u]after[/u] he got caught).[/quote]
Although off-topic here, I've been wondering about this when I read your negative feedback:
[quote author=theymos link=topic=5202391.msg53225546#msg53225546 date=1575154523]
The result of the liquidation of 500 BTCs' forkcoins was:
14.272715 from BCH
6.818999 from BSV
0.442951 from BTG
= 21.534665 BTC[/quote]
OgNasty didn't steal this, nor did he "get caught": the Forkcoins on the treasurer's address were public knowledge, and I don't think a treasurer should have decided on this without theymos asking for it.
That said: I don't think you'll be banned for creating such a Flag (I've seen [url=http://loyce.club/trust/flags/personal/2371095.html]much worse Flag abuse[/url]), but I would consider it Flag abuse nonetheless: you're not a direct victim here, so you're not allowed to create a type 2/3 Flag on this subject. And even if a victim would have created a Flag, type 2/3 Flags have to be withdrawn once the victim has been made whole. I don't expect such a Flag to get (net) Supporters.
My advice: [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225724.0]let it go[/url].
[/quote]
******
[quote author=truth or dare link=topic=5222059.msg53887874#msg53887874 date=1582356663]
Theymos is not the best person to quote if you would like a forum where
* members are treated equally and with consistency
* free speech is not destroyed under threat of undeserving red tags for voicing an unpopular opinion
* high level scammers on DT can not make red tagging removal deals
* to make sure people are not afraid to bring to light scams where the scammer can ruin their account with red trust
* prevent all the infighting a contued contempt for the abused trust system
* prevent red tags destroying competing legit business or destroy legit completion for sig spots
* preventing dilution and devaluing legitimate direct example of financially motivated wrong doing with warnings about
lemonade, daring to whistle blow on scamming or swearing at someone
I mean if a computer scientist thought he'd start up a boat building business and his first 3 ships all immediately filled with water and are now sitting at the bottom of the ocean due to terrible design and implementation
why publish his " definitive guide to building boats" as if that is the best way to build your boat?
Kind of ..here are some materials, just join it together however you like. If it looks more like a ship than a squirrel then you're all good to set off for across the 7 seas.
Better to encourage users to use it in way that ensures the entire board is not placed in danger and their free speech is not crushed.
For a sensible guide on how to build a boat that floats and keeps you safe then visit tecshares and join his objective standards guild.
Theymos skill set is programming. I don't think he should be experimenting with systems that require many other skill sets to have a chance of coming up with anything near optimal for the forum.
This thread is advocating using the System designed by a single entity and following the views of a single entity there is nothing decentralized about it other than who is using this design and advice to leverage their own personal gain. That only requires it being decentralized to the first handful of members that manipulated and colluded themselves into power first. Once they were entrenched no further need for any "decentralization"
How not to design, implement and advise people how to use a trust system.
Delete the tagging and sharpen up level 1 flags.
This is not intended as a discussion since the problems are insoluble until the above changes have been made.
No offence to theymos he is a computer programmer and systems admin. He can not be expected to build complex systems requiring multiple skill sets and multiple long term tests optimally first time.
Hence why schooling people to behave in says that have proven to result in insoluble and serious problems is simply not sensible.
The guide on The op is not sensible.
My ideology of creating a boat that floats should not be conflated with my advice to drill huge holes in any surface that looks like it may repel water. Just so long as the reader is clear on that.
[/quote]
[quote author=Vod link=topic=5222059.msg53887612#msg53887612 date=1582352720]
If I were to create a type 2/3 flag against OGNasty, who is guilty of stealing 500 bitcoin cash from the community, I think I would probably be banned. (He did return it [u]after[/u] he got caught).[/quote]
Although off-topic here, I've been wondering about this when I read your negative feedback:
[quote author=theymos link=topic=5202391.msg53225546#msg53225546 date=1575154523]
The result of the liquidation of 500 BTCs' forkcoins was:
14.272715 from BCH
6.818999 from BSV
0.442951 from BTG
= 21.534665 BTC[/quote]
OgNasty didn't steal this, nor did he "get caught": the Forkcoins on the treasurer's address were public knowledge, and I don't think a treasurer should have decided on this without theymos asking for it.
That said: I don't think you'll be banned for creating such a Flag (I've seen [url=http://loyce.club/trust/flags/personal/2371095.html]much worse Flag abuse[/url]), but I would consider it Flag abuse nonetheless: you're not a direct victim here, so you're not allowed to create a type 2/3 Flag on this subject. And even if a victim would have created a Flag, type 2/3 Flags have to be withdrawn once the victim has been made whole. I don't expect such a Flag to get (net) Supporters.
My advice: [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225724.0]let it go[/url].
[/quote]
******
[quote author=truth or dare link=topic=5222059.msg53887874#msg53887874 date=1582356663]
Theymos is not the best person to quote if you would like a forum where
* members are treated equally and with consistency
* free speech is not destroyed under threat of undeserving red tags for voicing an unpopular opinion
* high level scammers on DT can not make red tagging removal deals
* to make sure people are not afraid to bring to light scams where the scammer can ruin their account with red trust
* prevent all the infighting a contued contempt for the abused trust system
* prevent red tags destroying competing legit business or destroy legit completion for sig spots
* preventing dilution and devaluing legitimate direct example of financially motivated wrong doing with warnings about
lemonade, daring to whistle blow on scamming or swearing at someone
I mean if a computer scientist thought he'd start up a boat building business and his first 3 ships all immediately filled with water and are now sitting at the bottom of the ocean due to terrible design and implementation
why publish his " definitive guide to building boats" as if that is the best way to build your boat?
Kind of ..here are some materials, just join it together however you like. If it looks more like a ship than a squirrel then you're all good to set off for across the 7 seas.
Better to encourage users to use it in way that ensures the entire board is not placed in danger and their free speech is not crushed.
For a sensible guide on how to build a boat that floats and keeps you safe then visit tecshares and join his objective standards guild.
Theymos skill set is programming. I don't think he should be experimenting with systems that require many other skill sets to have a chance of coming up with anything near optimal for the forum.
This thread is advocating using the System designed by a single entity and following the views of a single entity there is nothing decentralized about it other than who is using this design and advice to leverage their own personal gain. That only requires it being decentralized to the first handful of members that manipulated and colluded themselves into power first. Once they were entrenched no further need for any "decentralization"
How not to design, implement and advise people how to use a trust system.
Delete the tagging and sharpen up level 1 flags.
This is not intended as a discussion since the problems are insoluble until the above changes have been made.
No offence to theymos he is a computer programmer and systems admin. He can not be expected to build complex systems requiring multiple skill sets and multiple long term tests optimally first time.
Hence why schooling people to behave in says that have proven to result in insoluble and serious problems is simply not sensible.
The guide on The op is not sensible.
My ideology of creating a boat that floats should not be conflated with my advice to drill huge holes in any surface that looks like it may repel water. Just so long as the reader is clear on that.
[/quote]