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Quote from: FP91G on July 06, 2022, 10:06:52 AM

I wrote a lot about copper thermal pads.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59773080
It is better for a beginner to use good proven thermal pads that will not harm the video card if installed incorrectly. And the temperature difference is minimal.

I've read your posts. Yeah, a few celsius drop is definitely not worth the risk of short circuits and other hassles. But is there any other way that you can recommend? Good proven thermal pads like graphite thermal pad that increase the thermal conductivity for better heat dissipation?

I think that it is enough to buy good proven thermal pads with a thermal conductivity of 10 and W / mK. It doesn't have to be a famous brand. In China, there are a lot of manufacturers who make quality goods no worse than the Arctic. I am not a fan of spending a lot of money on thermal paste and thermal pads.
https://mygraphicscard.com/best-thermal-pads-for-gpu/

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Quote from: FP91G on July 06, 2022, 10:06:52 AM

I wrote a lot about copper thermal pads.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59773080
It is better for a beginner to use good proven thermal pads that will not harm the video card if installed incorrectly. And the temperature difference is minimal.

I've read your posts. Yeah, a few celsius drop is definitely not worth the risk of short circuits and other hassles. But is there any other way that you can recommend? Good proven thermal pads like graphite thermal pad that increase the thermal conductivity for better heat dissipation?

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Quote from: 0verseer on July 05, 2022, 12:35:19 PM

Quote from: FP91G on July 02, 2022, 10:42:51 AM

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Quote from: Z390 on June 23, 2022, 01:13:26 AM

Gddr6x graphic cards get hotter when mining than gaming, talking from my own experience, even if I throw a graphically demanding game like The Wither 3 on my 3080ti the memory temp won't go up compared to when mining Ethereum.

why not test memory temp on 3080ti with new game like cyberpunk2077,Dying Light 2,Red Dead Redemption 2,Forza Horizon 5,Far Cry 6

I checked the memory temperature in the game, the article says that 96 degrees in memory is acceptable on this video card.If the memory temperature is above 100 degrees, then the performance in games will also fall.
https://www.hardwareluxx.ru/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/51590-test-i-obzor-chetyre-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-ot-gigabyte-inno3d-msi-i-nvidia.html?start=7

Not fall, but past the point of 100*C, it accelerated the VRAM degradation if you keep that for over a long time, 24/7. Some said the performance loss and instability fall are the part of throttling like when VRM overheats and throttling CPU but some don't agree with that. Most miners I know attempt every way to cool the temp of GDDR6X VRAM if it was part of their rig.
I think they should opt for a long term solution which means replacing the thermal pad of GDDR6X VRAM with copper-based cooling for better heat transfer and dissipation. It's more expensive, I know but as the GPU manufacturer cheap out the components, this is the best you could get till they start addressing this with the top-tier cards that have better cooling for GDDR6X VRAM.

Pic of 3070ti from some YTuber with copper-based cooling instead of the thermal pad. Temp drop is pretty impressive, max 64*C at 2.5 hours of mining.

I wrote a lot about copper thermal pads.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59773080
It is better for a beginner to use good proven thermal pads that will not harm the video card if installed incorrectly. And the temperature difference is minimal.

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Quote from: FP91G on July 02, 2022, 10:42:51 AM

Quote from: ZeeeN on June 25, 2022, 07:38:36 PM

Quote from: Z390 on June 23, 2022, 01:13:26 AM

Gddr6x graphic cards get hotter when mining than gaming, talking from my own experience, even if I throw a graphically demanding game like The Wither 3 on my 3080ti the memory temp won't go up compared to when mining Ethereum.

why not test memory temp on 3080ti with new game like cyberpunk2077,Dying Light 2,Red Dead Redemption 2,Forza Horizon 5,Far Cry 6

I checked the memory temperature in the game, the article says that 96 degrees in memory is acceptable on this video card.If the memory temperature is above 100 degrees, then the performance in games will also fall.
https://www.hardwareluxx.ru/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/51590-test-i-obzor-chetyre-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-ot-gigabyte-inno3d-msi-i-nvidia.html?start=7

Not fall, but past the point of 100*C, it accelerated the VRAM degradation if you keep that for over a long time, 24/7. Some said the performance loss and instability fall are the part of throttling like when VRM overheats and throttling CPU but some don't agree with that. Most miners I know attempt every way to cool the temp of GDDR6X VRAM if it was part of their rig.
I think they should opt for a long term solution which means replacing the thermal pad of GDDR6X VRAM with copper-based cooling for better heat transfer and dissipation. It's more expensive, I know but as the GPU manufacturer cheap out the components, this is the best you could get till they start addressing this with the top-tier cards that have better cooling for GDDR6X VRAM.

Pic of 3070ti from some YTuber with copper-based cooling instead of the thermal pad. Temp drop is pretty impressive, max 64*C at 2.5 hours of mining.

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Quote from: ZeeeN on June 25, 2022, 07:38:36 PM

Quote from: Z390 on June 23, 2022, 01:13:26 AM

Gddr6x graphic cards get hotter when mining than gaming, talking from my own experience, even if I throw a graphically demanding game like The Wither 3 on my 3080ti the memory temp won't go up compared to when mining Ethereum.

why not test memory temp on 3080ti with new game like cyberpunk2077,Dying Light 2,Red Dead Redemption 2,Forza Horizon 5,Far Cry 6

I checked the memory temperature in the game, the article says that 96 degrees in memory is acceptable on this video card.If the memory temperature is above 100 degrees, then the performance in games will also fall.
https://www.hardwareluxx.ru/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/51590-test-i-obzor-chetyre-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-ot-gigabyte-inno3d-msi-i-nvidia.html?start=7

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@Z390 Try running Ghost Wire: Tokyo on a 1440P and max details you see the difference between this game and the witcher 3, I remember running The witcher 3 on a GTX 970 and it runs very well in 1200p display 😆, The witcher 3 is now a outdated game running on a outdated game engine.

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Quote from: Z390 on June 23, 2022, 01:13:26 AM

Gddr6x graphic cards get hotter when mining than gaming, talking from my own experience, even if I throw a graphically demanding game like The Wither 3 on my 3080ti the memory temp won't go up compared to when mining Ethereum.

why not test memory temp on 3080ti with new game like cyberpunk2077,Dying Light 2,Red Dead Redemption 2,Forza Horizon 5,Far Cry 6

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Quote from: FP91G on June 24, 2022, 12:43:22 PM

Quote from: 0verseer on June 23, 2022, 11:40:50 AM

Quote from: Z390 on June 23, 2022, 01:13:26 AM

Gddr6x graphic cards get hotter when mining than gaming, talking from my own experience, even if I throw a graphically demanding game like The Wither 3 on my 3080ti the memory temp won't go up compared to when mining Ethereum.

Come on, The Wither 3 is hardly a graphically demanding game anymore since it was 7 years old already, especially paired with your 3080ti card. Post like this makes me wish we had a Crysis successor in terms of "Can it run Crysis" meme so everyone can understand when talking about a graphically demanding game to benchmark their card, load and temp.

Maybe he has a very large monitor? Grin

Even with a very large monitor, output @4k60Hz, I don't think a 7-year-old game like Witcher 3 with the highest setting could taxing his 3080ti card. Maybe games like Red Dead Redemption 2 or Cyberpunk 2077 could do that, @4k60Hz with the highest setting. Tho it would be a waste since the highest setting doesn't mean you got the most out of it in terms of visual/fps. This is where DLSS comes in with optimized settings.

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Quote from: 0verseer on June 23, 2022, 11:40:50 AM

Quote from: Z390 on June 23, 2022, 01:13:26 AM

Gddr6x graphic cards get hotter when mining than gaming, talking from my own experience, even if I throw a graphically demanding game like The Wither 3 on my 3080ti the memory temp won't go up compared to when mining Ethereum.

Come on, The Wither 3 is hardly a graphically demanding game anymore since it was 7 years old already, especially paired with your 3080ti card. Post like this makes me wish we had a Crysis successor in terms of "Can it run Crysis" meme so everyone can understand when talking about a graphically demanding game to benchmark their card, load and temp.

Maybe he has a very large monitor? Grin

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Quote from: Z390 on June 23, 2022, 01:13:26 AM

Gddr6x graphic cards get hotter when mining than gaming, talking from my own experience, even if I throw a graphically demanding game like The Wither 3 on my 3080ti the memory temp won't go up compared to when mining Ethereum.

Come on, The Wither 3 is hardly a graphically demanding game anymore since it was 7 years old already, especially paired with your 3080ti card. Post like this makes me wish we had a Crysis successor in terms of "Can it run Crysis" meme so everyone can understand when talking about a graphically demanding game to benchmark their card, load and temp.

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Quote from: Z390 on June 23, 2022, 01:13:26 AM

Gddr6x graphic cards get hotter when mining than gaming, talking from my own experience, even if I throw a graphically demanding game like The Wither 3 on my 3080ti the memory temp won't go up compared to when mining Ethereum.

I played this game with AMD Radeon R9 280 or AMD Radeon R9 270 graphics card. This video game is not very demanding on top graphics cards. You will be able to play perfectly on GPU RX 470.In mining, the load is constant, and in games, the load changes, therefore, under equal conditions in games, the video card heats up less.

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Gddr6x graphic cards get hotter when mining than gaming, talking from my own experience, even if I throw a graphically demanding game like The Wither 3 on my 3080ti the memory temp won't go up compared to when mining Ethereum.

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Quote from: ANSEL_2.0 on June 21, 2022, 12:23:11 AM

Quote from: adaseb on June 19, 2022, 09:51:57 PM

I don’t think it really matters how long it was used. Would you buy an 6 month old GPU that was inside a poorly ventilated case where the gamer overvolted and overclocked and gamed for like 4 hours a day? Or would you get it from a miner who undervolted it and had it in an open air rig.

The only issue with mining rigs are the fans. They generally wear out much quicker than some gamer. Since gamers generally only play 1-2 hours a day, usually the fan doesn’t spin at all during that time. Compared to a miner rig which had it running 60-70% fan speed for years.

What a world, I am a PC gamer and also a crypto miner myself maybe that's why I understand so many things that many don't about PC parts and gaming, I use a high end PC for gaming and I always leave the case opened, closing the case makes the GPU go hotter and I don't like it, if I am only a gamer I may find closing the case a better solution. . .

Either you saved money on a gaming case or your fans are very weak. If you think that the video card in mining overheats more, then it depends on the miner. My video cards don't overheat because I use cool models without ddr 6 memory and good ventilation.

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Quote from: adaseb on June 19, 2022, 09:51:57 PM

I don’t think it really matters how long it was used. Would you buy an 6 month old GPU that was inside a poorly ventilated case where the gamer overvolted and overclocked and gamed for like 4 hours a day? Or would you get it from a miner who undervolted it and had it in an open air rig.

The only issue with mining rigs are the fans. They generally wear out much quicker than some gamer. Since gamers generally only play 1-2 hours a day, usually the fan doesn’t spin at all during that time. Compared to a miner rig which had it running 60-70% fan speed for years.

What a world, I am a PC gamer and also a crypto miner myself maybe that's why I understand so many things that many don't about PC parts and gaming, I use a high end PC for gaming and I always leave the case opened, closing the case makes the GPU go hotter and I don't like it, if I am only a gamer I may find closing the case a better solution. . .

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Quote from: adaseb on June 19, 2022, 09:51:57 PM

I don’t think it really matters how long it was used. Would you buy an 6 month old GPU that was inside a poorly ventilated case where the gamer overvolted and overclocked and gamed for like 4 hours a day? Or would you get it from a miner who undervolted it and had it in an open air rig.

The only issue with mining rigs are the fans. They generally wear out much quicker than some gamer. Since gamers generally only play 1-2 hours a day, usually the fan doesn’t spin at all during that time. Compared to a miner rig which had it running 60-70% fan speed for years.

A pair of fans are cheap to replace, around $10 so I don't think the low cycle life of GPU fans is the main reason why gamers didn't like mining GPUs and only buy when it was cheap enough.

Quote from: Coinfarm ventures on June 20, 2022, 12:09:50 AM

We all know that thermal cycles are what damages a video card the fastest, not the length of use. But gamers are still so misinformed. I think it's hostility toward us miners that makes them willfully ignorant.

This is true. Most of my GPUs have to be replaced with a new thermal pad for 4-6 months or else high chance VRM, mosfet and VRAM being busted.

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Quote from: adaseb on June 19, 2022, 09:51:57 PM

I don’t think it really matters how long it was used. Would you buy an 6 month old GPU that was inside a poorly ventilated case where the gamer overvolted and overclocked and gamed for like 4 hours a day? Or would you get it from a miner who undervolted it and had it in an open air rig.

The only issue with mining rigs are the fans. They generally wear out much quicker than some gamer. Since gamers generally only play 1-2 hours a day, usually the fan doesn’t spin at all during that time. Compared to a miner rig which had it running 60-70% fan speed for years.

I don't know what games you play but most pc games are pretty gpu intensive these days and those fans spin as fast as the gamer allows them to spin.
No different than miners adjusting their fan speeds.. in otherwords, the games today can make a gpu fan spin at 100% if the gamer doesn't intervene.

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Quote from: adaseb on June 19, 2022, 09:51:57 PM

I don’t think it really matters how long it was used. Would you buy an 6 month old GPU that was inside a poorly ventilated case where the gamer overvolted and overclocked and gamed for like 4 hours a day? Or would you get it from a miner who undervolted it and had it in an open air rig.

We all know that thermal cycles are what damages a video card the fastest, not the length of use. But gamers are still so misinformed. I think it's hostility toward us miners that makes them willfully ignorant.

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I don’t think it really matters how long it was used. Would you buy an 6 month old GPU that was inside a poorly ventilated case where the gamer overvolted and overclocked and gamed for like 4 hours a day? Or would you get it from a miner who undervolted it and had it in an open air rig.

The only issue with mining rigs are the fans. They generally wear out much quicker than some gamer. Since gamers generally only play 1-2 hours a day, usually the fan doesn’t spin at all during that time. Compared to a miner rig which had it running 60-70% fan speed for years.

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Quote from: 5W-KILO on June 15, 2022, 05:52:35 AM

Why did gamers always think they know the best? Cheesy

once they knew you use your GPU for mining they won't buy from you, well today I had to lie 🤥 to sell some GPU, I pretend like I've never heard about mining, I even tell him to teach me and he said... Don't do it, this will kill your GPU fast, and I was like on Shocked

I don't know, hehe

If you want to sell your GPU its better not to tell anyone that you use them for mining unless they are miners.

terrible ethics, I don't buy used video cards because of this. You lie about it not being used, what stops you from lying about how long it was used for as well?
TBH my video card died over a year ago and I'm getting by on a card from 2008 because prices are stupid and I won't buy a used one.

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I cannot stand PCMR idiots, even though I have a beefy PC myself.

They deserve the worst with their shitty behavior.

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It's easy to sell GPU online you don't have to lie about it, also those of you saying that gamers won't ask if you are using the card for mining if your price is lower enough you are wrong, some gamers don't care like you said but some will still ask you even if you want to do a giveaway with the graphic cards, it seems you haven't come across indian PC gamers lol.

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Quote from: ZeeeN on June 17, 2022, 04:10:36 PM

if gamer ask you about mining that mean your price not cheap enough if you sell very cheap gamer don't care about your card mining or not anymore

True, mining cards need to have cheaper prices than the normal user's used cards. Gamers only take risks providing the card was cheap enough. If OP has to lie like that, he's just greedy wants to milk more money from his mining cards, understandable but still a scummy move.

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Quote from: ZeeeN on June 17, 2022, 04:10:36 PM

if gamer ask you about mining that mean your price not cheap enough if you sell very cheap gamer don't care about your card mining or not anymore

hehe you're right

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if gamer ask you about mining that mean your price not cheap enough if you sell very cheap gamer don't care about your card mining or not anymore

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Quote from: 5W-KILO on June 15, 2022, 05:52:35 AM

Why did gamers always think they know the best? Cheesy

once they knew you use your GPU for mining they won't buy from you, well today I had to lie 🤥 to sell some GPU, I pretend like I've never heard about mining, I even tell him to teach me and he said... Don't do it, this will kill your GPU fast, and I was like on Shocked

I don't know, hehe

If you want to sell your GPU its better not to tell anyone that you use them for mining unless they are miners.

What video cards did you sell?
I usually sell old graphics cards that are already 4-5 years old. I change the thermal pads if necessary, change the thermal paste, take a photo, then do a video card test for about 30 minutes. I take photos and videos.
At the expense of mining, I answer that during this time everything is possible, because sometimes I am not the first owner. Here are the tests and a guarantee for a return within a few days if there are problems.

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Yeah I had this issue also with gamers.

Point is that there is no point in lying when you got like 20 GPUs for sale. Unless they are the exact same GPU times 20. You need to make multiple ads and people will know you mined with them because who would need more than 3 GPUs for gaming.

Not every gamer cares. Some just want to see it run and that’s good enough for them. For others I told them I’ve mined with it and “if you get any issues, bring it back and I’ll give you another one”. Most people are happy with that.

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I never lie about the mining history of the video cards. If the buyer is dumb, I probably don't want their money anyway. I don't care if I have to price the item at $10-20 below the market.

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Tell them it has LHR, they'll like that.

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I had no choice, the GPU is two months old and its still very new in good shape, I will only feel bad if the product is faulty or bad, in this case consumers ( gamers ) are just stupid and they don't know what they are doing other than to play PC games.

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OP which country are you from? Honestly you don't have to, because if gamers don't but from you miners will and there are even some gamers that don't care, in my country PC gamers cares about getting GPU for cheap rate, so far the GPU is working you have no problem.

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Don't do that, put yourself in the position of another person, in this case, the buyer, imagine if you buy something and person lies to you
This is not the right thing to do

You still have time to tell the buyer the truth and do the right thing Wink

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Quote from: 5W-KILO on June 15, 2022, 05:52:35 AM

Why did gamers always think they know the best? Cheesy

once they knew you use your GPU for mining they won't buy from you, well today I had to lie 🤥 to sell some GPU, I pretend like I've never heard about mining, I even tell him to teach me and he said... Don't do it, this will kill your GPU fast, and I was like on Shocked

I don't know, hehe

If you want to sell your GPU its better not to tell anyone that you use them for mining unless they are miners.

Yeah,that mentality in gamers is pretty much in almost every one of them,it is inflicted deep in their heart,the so called PCMR-PC-Master Race which think of themselves like the superior race in gaming.I don't know if I would do it,to lie to sell the GPU-s as I would feel guilty inside but if you have no other alternative (i.e no miners available to buy your cards) then you had no other choice but to do so.

Where I live everybody think they are smarter than the other,it is genetic (although as a nation we are from the last in term of development in Europe) this is genetic to us,we think we are smarter than the other so I always tell the truth when selling the card,here there are both gamers and miners and I know miners will buy them and some desperate gamers will also do so.

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Why did gamers always think they know the best? Cheesy

once they knew you use your GPU for mining they won't buy from you, well today I had to lie 🤥 to sell some GPU, I pretend like I've never heard about mining, I even tell him to teach me and he said... Don't do it, this will kill your GPU fast, and I was like on Shocked

I don't know, hehe

If you want to sell your GPU its better not to tell anyone that you use them for mining unless they are miners.

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