Turn Old Phones Into Cold Storage Crypto Wallets

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But IMO the thief also could assume any goods with USB port must have some value and decide to stole it anyway Tongue

Agreed,,,

I think then its gonna be better to collect chocolate shape hardware wallets for hiding it from modern thieves but much worried about my house kids. They love chocolate more than fruits Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Harlot on October 08, 2019, 01:33:06 PM

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Plus you have to worry about the integrity of that old phone you want to use just for cold storage. There is a reason why that person isn't using that phone anymore aside from them having a new phone the old one would have some issues ranging from being laggy to a unreliable battery, once it gives up then you have no choice but to repair it and if I were you I won't trust my cold storage phone to be handed onto anyone just to fix it. This isn't really an ideal alternative for any hardware wallets out there as I would rather buy a new and reliable hardware wallet then to risk it just to utilize my old phone.

Problem with hardware wallet (ledger or trezor) is they are too small and the possibility of it to be misplaced is high, unlike using an old Iphone like an Iphone 6 and if its lost or stolen, you can use the find my iphone feature, same with using an android phone, I heard they also have almost the same function so at least you will have a peace of mind in case you iphone dedicated for Cryto transactions are lost or stolen.

I doubt that you can really misplace something that valuable if you are really a responsible hodler. Think of your hardware wallet as a piece of jewelry or even a photo that has a sentimental value for you, this items are not just placed onto any surface but is kept on a secure location that you know. Same goes with hardware wallets after you buy it you have another responsibility to carry in order to protect your cryptocurrencies. Having cryptos on your mobile phone in the other hand is no different than having a web wallet installed in that phone, you do know that hackers has other ways of getting your phone connected in the internet remotely in various ways.

Unfortunately I am that clumsy when it comes to keeping small things as small as USB. I lost a lot of USBs already thats why I would rather go for a portable Hard drive than usb or flash drives. However, you guys are right, if ever a thief would break in my house, 1st thing that they look for are the gadgets like smart phones and laptops. So I guess its not a good idea after all.

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Quote from: negancoin on October 08, 2019, 12:33:46 PM

I've never heard of it before so it must be a new app. I think the idea is nice and can be helpful for those who can't afford to buy a hardwallet and have only a small amount to store. however I don't think is going to ideal solution because phones are heavily and no would carry two phones instead of just buying a small device like ledger nano and have a piece of mind.

There is another app the same as this wallet mention by OP they have two wallets called airgap vault and airgap wallet which is the online one and the offline one as cold Storage.

Based on my experience they are just like the same as a hardware wallet but the differences you don't need to connect your other mobile phone to your offline wallet compared to a hardware wallet that you need to connect it directly to PC.
I have two phones both of them are Samsung the new one and the old one(No wifi already because I destroy the mac with Z3X to make sure no wifi)
Until now I use them as a wallet for some coins because they currently support few altcoins.

So I think this is good and much safer than a phone with internet connection and good if you don't have extra budget to buy a hardware wallet.
Never heard any issue yet about airgap wallets this is much safer. I don't know about the wallet from the first-page post I never heard of them too.

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Do you think that just because you can access someone else's phone you get to relieve them of the burden of having crypto on their phone, so that instead you have it and that that is okay for you to do such?

I feel like I'm clapping with one hand. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on October 08, 2019, 03:32:03 AM

Quote from: Harlot on October 07, 2019, 03:12:59 PM

Plus you have to worry about the integrity of that old phone you want to use just for cold storage. There is a reason why that person isn't using that phone anymore aside from them having a new phone the old one would have some issues ranging from being laggy to a unreliable battery, once it gives up then you have no choice but to repair it and if I were you I won't trust my cold storage phone to be handed onto anyone just to fix it. This isn't really an ideal alternative for any hardware wallets out there as I would rather buy a new and reliable hardware wallet then to risk it just to utilize my old phone.

Problem with hardware wallet (ledger or trezor) is they are too small and the possibility of it to be misplaced is high, unlike using an old Iphone like an Iphone 6 and if its lost or stolen, you can use the find my iphone feature, same with using an android phone, I heard they also have almost the same function so at least you will have a peace of mind in case you iphone dedicated for Cryto transactions are lost or stolen.

I doubt that you can really misplace something that valuable if you are really a responsible hodler. Think of your hardware wallet as a piece of jewelry or even a photo that has a sentimental value for you, this items are not just placed onto any surface but is kept on a secure location that you know. Same goes with hardware wallets after you buy it you have another responsibility to carry in order to protect your cryptocurrencies. Having cryptos on your mobile phone in the other hand is no different than having a web wallet installed in that phone, you do know that hackers has other ways of getting your phone connected in the internet remotely in various ways.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on October 08, 2019, 11:16:36 AM

could connect it's self to internet...

You know very well a phone if the person has internet shut off, is not going to connect itself to the net without the person knowing, unless someone else connects it.

Not 100% accurate. I had an S5 Active that I used only as a GPS for while. I would put in in airplane mode to save battery power when I took it into the woods. It wouldn't stay in airplane mode if I restarted it. Phones are complex devices, than can develop buggy behavior.

An allegation in general that phones are buggy and complex does not legally allow you to be a thief

What? I don't understand your argument, or if it is an argument. I made a rebuttal to your claim that there's no way for a phone to attempt to connect itself to the internet. What makes you think I'm saying it's legal to be a thief? And since when do thieves give a fuck about the legality of their actions?

I'm simply saying that the phones don't make safe and secure storage for cryptocurrency, even if you think they can't connect themselves to internet. I wouldn't think to use one as a substitute for a hardware wallet. I sited my reasoning.

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I've never heard of it before so it must be a new app. I think the idea is nice and can be helpful for those who can't afford to buy a hardwallet and have only a small amount to store. however I don't think is going to ideal solution because phones are heavily and no would carry two phones instead of just buying a small device like ledger nano and have a piece of mind.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 03, 2019, 01:08:44 PM

That would be fantastic! If a thief broke into your house, the probability of it getting stolen would be pretty low. Then again a Ledger or some other hardware wallet can be tucked away pretty much anywhere since it's so small.

Yep,,,Its hard to find a thief who is well notified about Ledger or other small shape hardware wallets. So there is higher chances that thief will not be interested to pick up Ledger if they find it somehow in my house Cheesy

. Mobile phone is the first choice for them and they gonna take it without checking it's properly working or not. Maybe its kinda funny to explain but if you ask me about the use of this new App then i will loudly say NO. Hardware wallets are specially made for storing users fund with extreme security and easy to maintain.

Although i have a large collection of old phones and i like to store them but most of these phone's have got battery issues and pretty much hard to find charger cables for recharging.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on October 08, 2019, 11:16:36 AM

could connect it's self to internet...

You know very well a phone if the person has internet shut off, is not going to connect itself to the net without the person knowing, unless someone else connects it.

Not 100% accurate. I had an S5 Active that I used only as a GPS for while. I would put in in airplane mode to save battery power when I took it into the woods. It wouldn't stay in airplane mode if I restarted it. Phones are complex devices, than can develop buggy behavior.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 05, 2019, 07:51:49 PM

We can use old smarphone even now if we turn of wi-fi ...
We could just install Electrum app for example.

Some certainly seem insistent on convincing people to use a phone for their crypto wallet for some reason.

ikr? Not sure I'd want to rely on "airplane mode" to keep funds safu. And parity is just another Ethereum thing, and I think we all know their track record on security. Cheesy

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The idea is intriguing, but why assume all the risk with such little reward? Almost any functional smart phone with an intact screen can fetch a minimum of $50 on ebay, or when used as a trade-in for a discount on your new phone. For the same price, or even less you can have a very secure hardware wallet.

The Trezor One is $49, the Nano S is about $40, and you can often buy a KeepKey for $25. With prices like that for safe, secure hardware wallets it seems silly to trust a device that could stop functioning at any moment, is thief magnet, could connect it's self to internet...

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on October 08, 2019, 03:32:03 AM

Quote from: Harlot on October 07, 2019, 03:12:59 PM

Plus you have to worry about the integrity of that old phone you want to use just for cold storage. There is a reason why that person isn't using that phone anymore aside from them having a new phone the old one would have some issues ranging from being laggy to a unreliable battery, once it gives up then you have no choice but to repair it and if I were you I won't trust my cold storage phone to be handed onto anyone just to fix it. This isn't really an ideal alternative for any hardware wallets out there as I would rather buy a new and reliable hardware wallet then to risk it just to utilize my old phone.

Problem with hardware wallet (ledger or trezor) is they are too small and the possibility of it to be misplaced is high, unlike using an old Iphone like an Iphone 6 and if its lost or stolen, you can use the find my iphone feature, same with using an android phone, I heard they also have almost the same function so at least you will have a peace of mind in case you iphone dedicated for Cryto transactions are lost or stolen.

having such features should actually discourage you from using a smart phone as your "cold" storage because it is defeating the main and only purpose of such wallets which is being "cold" or in other words being cut off from the rest of the world. if your phone is still capable of broadcasting anything (such as your location) it can broadcast a ton of other things too. being closed you won't have any way of knowing what it sends either.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on October 08, 2019, 03:32:03 AM

Problem with hardware wallet (ledger or trezor) is they are too small and the possibility of it to be misplaced is high, unlike using an old Iphone like an Iphone 6 and if its lost or stolen, you can use the find my iphone feature, same with using an android phone, I heard they also have almost the same function so at least you will have a peace of mind in case you iphone dedicated for Cryto transactions are lost or stolen.

Hardware wallets are mainly designed to be protected mainly against digital attacks (malwares, etc), not physical attacks. They are supposed to be stored securely and safely. Using the location feature requires an internet connection and cold storage are supposed to be isolated from the internet to reduce the attack vectors as much as possible. I don't think using a phone would be suitable as a cold storage, especially given their poor security track record.

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Don't know how long that old device work as keeping that thing charge every time will be a big hustle. Don't think anyone would use a working phone as a hardware wallet.
I will better go to the market and sell the old device to buy a new hardware wallet.

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Quote from: Harlot on October 07, 2019, 03:12:59 PM

Plus you have to worry about the integrity of that old phone you want to use just for cold storage. There is a reason why that person isn't using that phone anymore aside from them having a new phone the old one would have some issues ranging from being laggy to a unreliable battery, once it gives up then you have no choice but to repair it and if I were you I won't trust my cold storage phone to be handed onto anyone just to fix it. This isn't really an ideal alternative for any hardware wallets out there as I would rather buy a new and reliable hardware wallet then to risk it just to utilize my old phone.

Problem with hardware wallet (ledger or trezor) is they are too small and the possibility of it to be misplaced is high, unlike using an old Iphone like an Iphone 6 and if its lost or stolen, you can use the find my iphone feature, same with using an android phone, I heard they also have almost the same function so at least you will have a peace of mind in case you iphone dedicated for Cryto transactions are lost or stolen.

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Plus you have to worry about the integrity of that old phone you want to use just for cold storage. There is a reason why that person isn't using that phone anymore aside from them having a new phone the old one would have some issues ranging from being laggy to a unreliable battery, once it gives up then you have no choice but to repair it and if I were you I won't trust my cold storage phone to be handed onto anyone just to fix it. This isn't really an ideal alternative for any hardware wallets out there as I would rather buy a new and reliable hardware wallet then to risk it just to utilize my old phone.

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Questions:

Does it work with iPhones?
How safe and secure it is?
Has anyone already tried to do this?

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As a general rule, using phones to store Bitcoins is dangerous.
Using older phones "even with internet shutdowns" does not mean they are safe for two reasons:

- A lot of old phones suddenly break down and stop working.
- Hardware vulnerabilities: Many of them relate to hard and cannot be solved.

With regard to the application, it seems safe. I'll try it for small transactions.

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We can use old smarphone even now if we turn of wi-fi, internet access and remove sim-card.
Why would we need that Parity App anyway I don't understand?
We could just install Electrum app for example.

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Quote from: Polina_21 on October 04, 2019, 05:11:29 AM

Where did you see this news or message that $160 mil stuck due to code flaw? Can you please share the source link? I have not read anywhere about that.

Apparently it was not a code flaw, but a mistake on their end.

Quote from: https://blocktribune.com/parity-technologies-still-seeks-answers-160-million-eth-lock/

In November 2017, Parity lost nearly $160 million worth of ethereum when a novice developer accidentally deleted a code library that made Parity’s wallets work. It claimed that 587 wallets containing 513,774.16 ethers have been blocked. The issue was believed to be a hack at first, but later proved to be an error on the part of the developer.

And the worst part about this:

Quote from: https://blocktribune.com/parity-technologies-still-seeks-answers-160-million-eth-lock/

Last month, Parity said the only way to recover the funds was via a hard fork to the ethereum blockchain, and proposed a number of methods to implement the change.

https://blocktribune.com/parity-technologies-still-seeks-answers-160-million-eth-lock/
https://www.google.com.br/amp/s/www.coindesk.com/parity-floats-fix-160-million-ether-fund-freeze

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Quote from: TryNinja on October 04, 2019, 12:25:55 AM

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I never see a phone that requires you to insert a SIM card before you can use it. I have one phone (Redmi Note 3) that does not have any SIM card, and I use it for gaming. I can go offline with it without wi-fi or cellular networks, and it works.

A lot of smartphones do that. Actually, every single iPhone requires you to insert a SIM card to activate it. Phoned were made for this (communicating through the cellular network), so they obviously need to communicate with your courrier to “let them know” about your phone. That’s why phoned can be blocked when stolen.

Now, about the app mentioned in the OP: isn’t Parity that company/thing/app/whatever that made people get $160 mil stuck due to a code flaw or something like this?

Additional to the info, It is depending on where did that iPhone came, If it came from a telecom with a sim card plan, It would be necessary to use the sim card that is registered on the phone. The reason of it is the security of the telecom that the user will pay the whole plan and they have the power to lockdown, You can use other brands of sim cards on that kind of phone. It is how it works in our country. But if you bought a factory unlocked iPhone, It means it came directly from Apple, you can possibly use every kind of sim card in every country.

I don't know if it is how it works on other smartphones like android but on the iPhone, it is the thing that telecommunication doing to us.

note: I have a device that is on a plan, I did some experiments and I can't bypass the security.

Quote from: Polina_21 on October 03, 2019, 05:58:37 AM

➡ How effective this new App will be? Will it really helps the users to keep the funds safe offline? Please share your opinion on this.

Will start to find my old android phone and going to try this. I hope it works for testing purposes.

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Quote from: pooya87 on October 03, 2019, 10:53:13 PM

the problem with phones is that they are connected to the network, not via the internet but you still have to insert a sim card in them and be connected to some sort of network. that could be a security flaw.

As we need to keep the phone in Airplane mode, it will suspend radio frequency signal transmissions and disables all sort of connection ability of the device. Since everything is off, the sim card inserted would not cause any problem.

Quote from: TryNinja on October 04, 2019, 12:25:55 AM

Now, about the app mentioned in the OP: isn’t Parity that company/thing/app/whatever that made people get $160 mil stuck due to a code flaw or something like this?

Where did you see this news or message that $160 mil stuck due to code flaw? Can you please share the source link? I have not read anywhere about that.

Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on October 04, 2019, 01:37:19 AM

Sounds like a very nice idea however, I wonder what version of Android are they supporting. Is it going to work even if the phones android version is old example if the Android version is Gingerbread, some apps in Google Playstore does not support lower android version so question is, is it still going to work if android version is low? Right now latest version of Android is Oreo I think.

I do not know the exact version of android but it is supported on Android and iOs. You can install it from here -

Android Play store
iOs app store
Signed APK from GitHub

You can check here to know how to get it, use it and update it.

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Sounds like a very nice idea however, I wonder what version of Android are they supporting. Is it going to work even if the phones android version is old example if the Android version is Gingerbread, some apps in Google Playstore does not support lower android version so question is, is it still going to work if android version is low? Right now latest version of Android is Oreo I think.

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Quote from: joniboini on October 04, 2019, 12:17:47 AM

I never see a phone that requires you to insert a SIM card before you can use it. I have one phone (Redmi Note 3) that does not have any SIM card, and I use it for gaming. I can go offline with it without wi-fi or cellular networks, and it works.

A lot of smartphones do that. Actually, every single iPhone requires you to insert a SIM card to activate it. Phoned were made for this (communicating through the cellular network), so they obviously need to communicate with your courrier to “let them know” about your phone. That’s why phoned can be blocked when stolen.

Now, about the app mentioned in the OP: isn’t Parity that company/thing/app/whatever that made people get $160 mil stuck due to a code flaw or something like this?

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Quote from: pooya87 on October 03, 2019, 10:53:13 PM

the problem with phones is that they are connected to the network, not via the internet but you still have to insert a sim card in them and be connected to some sort of network.

I never see a phone that requires you to insert a SIM card before you can use it. I have one phone (Redmi Note 3) that does not have any SIM card, and I use it for gaming. I can go offline with it without wi-fi or cellular networks, and it works.

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the problem with phones is that they are connected to the network, not via the internet but you still have to insert a sim card in them and be connected to some sort of network. that could be a security flaw and nowadays with all these back doors that keep being found where they inject stuff in your phone to snoop around, i don't really see phones as a secure medium for storage.
a PC could physically be disconnected from the rest of the world, you can never achieve that with a phone unless you open it up and remove chips!

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 03, 2019, 01:08:44 PM

Agreed. If it weren't, I'm sure people would already be declaring it a scam. Having said that, I would not want to be a guinea pig for this app (and I don't even own enough crypto to justify it). I'll be curious to see if it catches on and what users have to say about it.

Definitely. Same applies with everything: wallets, exchanges, or any new product. It'd be best to wait for a couple of months first after they detected and fixed the initial potential problems, and after it has gained enough public traction before I use it.

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would an old ti calculator (those dont have any of that do they?) have the capability to perform such things?

That would be fantastic! If a thief broke into your house, the probability of it getting stolen would be pretty low. Then again a Ledger or some other hardware wallet can be tucked away pretty much anywhere since it's so small. Not so with a TI calculator or even an old smartphone. Still, this idea intrigues me though I'm not sure how secure it is--but I'm no technical expert.

Quote from: mk4 on October 03, 2019, 12:21:30 PM

EDIT: it seems like it's open-source. That's definitely a huge plus.

Agreed. If it weren't, I'm sure people would already be declaring it a scam. Having said that, I would not want to be a guinea pig for this app (and I don't even own enough crypto to justify it). I'll be curious to see if it catches on and what users have to say about it.

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I really haven't heard of that app, assuming it's legitimate, while it seems it might be better(in terms of security) to use that app rather than using a frequently online personal mobile device, I probably still wouldn't use it. Well, unless I really know how to dissect the phone and take out the unnecessary hardware(wifi chips and such) that could be an attack vector, just to be extra sure.

EDIT: it seems like it's open-source. That's definitely a huge plus.

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Now we need not have to throw our old phones, we can use that for holding Cryptocurrencies!! Recently, Parity Technologies released a New version of Parity Signer that can be used as a hardware wallet.

The Parity Signer v3 Beta will enable users to store assets, vote for governance proposals and sign transactions offline, with integrations for both the Polkadot and Ethereum blockchains.

The phone should be kept offline all the times and should never be connected to the internet, so that you can keep your funds safe from Hackers and Malware.

Once Parity Signer has been installed, switch on airplane mode and make sure no Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, or any other connectivity is enabled. From that point you can securely create your accounts, offline.

The new version allows users to create Kusama accounts to connect with Polkadot-js apps. For all accounts, users will receive a recovery phrase and choose a “pin” to sign transactions. Transfers do not involve private keys, but instead utilize the industry standard QR code for two-way communication between hot wallets and cold signers.

The company is warning the users to use the App with Caution -

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While we believe Parity Signer’s offline design makes it one of the most secure ways to store your Kusama and Ethereum assets, we recommend using Parity Signer with caution: follow the official instructions and only store small amounts on it. The cryptographic library used in Parity Signer was part of the Trail of Bits audit.

➡ How effective this new App will be? Will it really helps the users to keep the funds safe offline? Please share your opinion on this.

Source:
https://www.coindesk.com/parity-updates-tech-to-let-you-turn-old-phones-into-cold-storage-crypto-wallets
https://www.parity.io/parity-signer-v3-0-beta-is-here/

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