Topic: UAE and Israel FULLY Normalise Relations - The Abraham Accord (Read 151 times)

The ONLY valid reason for overseas US bases, is stopping military threats. US troops in NK are an example. But then you have to provide supply, logistics bases pretty much everywhere. But that changes with time and technology.

I think it was documented that there were behind the scenes meetings going on between UAE and Israel for many years. Not many people expected anything like this to happen in this way and in this time frame because the US Presidential elections are taking place in around 2.5 months and nobody can be sure which way a Biden Presidency will change the US position on the Middle East.



But relations between the Arab and Muslim nations have been dominated by that single cause since before Israel was even created in 1948 and goes on today.



Trump did say he was going to close bases and end wars, that was a pledge he made but he probably had no idea the political machinery behind the scenes would not make it easy for him to make true on his word. In the end he should have done his research before he made those promises so nobody but himself is responsible for his actions.



The base in Germany was all about providing a NATO counter balance to any perceived threat by the Soviet Union during the cold war.

Do the US really need bases in Japan and Germany now? Do they need bases in the Middle East? It is all about having political influence:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/where-us-troops-are-in-the-middle-east-and-could-now-be-a-target-visualized/2020/01/04/1a6233ee-2f3c-11ea-9b60-817cc18cf173_story.html



Yes having bases in Japan is a message to China and North Korea but it also keeps Japan remembering its past. As for Germany it is about showing Russia there is a NATO base there. In recent days 1000 US troops were redeployed from Germany to Poland to take numbers there to 5500 troops.

I mean we probably don't need bases in these areas, but not all of the bases are used for the purpose that I spoke of before. The bases in Japan are used as an anti china and anti north korea more then controlling Japan. If I knew geography I'd tell you some places that Germany is used strategically before, but ugh -- I've got nothing off the top of my head right now.

Even in some of our most cemented allies we can use bases for leverage. Imagine an area where the local workforce relies HEAVILY on the US base existing in the area (and receiving proper funding and such) -- that politican could be used as a tool to ensure that US interests are kept in the minds of policy makers.

We really, really don't need bases in Japan or Germany to "influence them" or "control economies." On the other hand, I can see areas where at least today, the world is perhaps a better place if we have bases there. But these things shift and change, at least over timeframes like decadal.

It wouldn't surprise me if various bases remain in place today that were based on geopolitical strategy of a hundred years ago.

Oh I understand the portion regarding the fact that removing US bases in the world removes the influence of the US, and then in turn the US would be unable to control economies of other nations through the influence they wield. But that is still something that Trump did promise to do.

Most Americans agree with the line of thinking "why do we spend so much on a military abroad when we have so many issues here" which is what Trump tapped into.

Trump also did promise to end the foreign wars (some of them at least) and to bring the soldiers home. Hasn't happened, and in some regards he has even increased the amount of soldiers there. Obama did the same sort of thing -- though he did pull some troops out. Though nothing like what he had promised to do.

Well he did promise to end wars but in fairness to Trump he did not start them bit he did say he would end them. Closing US bases around the world means losing US military dominance so closing any base anywhere will be difficult.


Yes it definitely is a big subject. No US President could just simply do it, there will be international ramifications and so many permutations to calculate that it will be a very long drawn out difficult process to initiate.


I think this is related far beyond just serious threats from internal or domestic politics.

I'm very interested in the way the Arab world reacts to this event. On the one hand, there is a history of problems between Israel and the Arab nations.

On the other, the shape of relations between the entire Arab world and Israel cannot be dominated by the Palestinian issue.

You may not know but this decision by the UAE is one of the worse events that has happened in 2020. I'm sure if someone will make a list of a tragedy that happened in 2020 this one will be on the list. I mean, those 2 countries are don't suppose to do these kinds of stuffs because Palestine the country who always bullied by Israel is one the UAE's concerns or I may see that was all history now. Something must be going on here, I mean they might have some under the table agreement which leads into this kind of relations.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/world-reacted-uae-israel-normalising-diplomatic-ties-200813152921879.html

We have mix reaction from Muslim World about this as few are OK and feeling its good for peace and future of Middle East but on other side many still feeling first give right now Palestinians then this all can go good but my feeling is now Arabs are in real trouble like Saudi Arab and UAE as they are facing some serious threats from enternal politics so they are doing this all for their own security Iran and Turkey not happy with them and creating block against them so now Arabs are doing their own policits for this all and they are feeling this can give them some good trade and defense benefit.

Base closure is a big subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Realignment_and_Closure

Really it should be a continual process and outside of one political party or president.

Hasn't iniated yes -- but has he ended any wars? No, he has not. That's something that he promised to do when he went into office.

Trump talked and talked and TALKED about how he was going to be the one to shut down all the overseas bases, he was going to be the one who stopped all the foreign wars, he was going to be the one who forced countries to pay the US for their protection.

Nothing changed in regards to military foreign policy. Like literally nothing at all. Highly doubt anything would change in the next four years if Trump was reeclted. Not very popular to start cutting the military budget. Lobbyists don't really like that.

Even though Trump might not have initiated military conflict he could well have done so if Iran had retaliated in a much stronger manner after Trump ordered a military drone to kill an Iranian general on Iraqi soil in January 2020. Iran fired ballistic missiles at a US base in Iraq but Trump could not retaliate back.

Let us not forget in 2017 he ordered military air strikes on Syria. When Trump ordered the launching of a staggering 59 tomahawk cruise missiles from the Mediterranean Sea on to Shayrat Airport, it could have caused a reaction by Syria which would in turn mean Trump would have initiated a military conflict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Shayrat_missile_strike

Add to that the thousands of drone strikes at various places around the world, sure it means Trump did not initiate a conflict but his participation does not exactly paint him in more of a glowing light.

Trump might be leaving office in November 2020 or maybe will be round for another 4 years but either way I agree I really hope he will not initiate any military conflicts.

Trump is the only president of the last seven who has initiated ZERO MILITARY CONFLICTS. So far. Let's hope that will continue.

I think not, I disagree. There was peace in the Middle East before Trump was born and there were troubles in the Middle East before Trump was born. There will be peace and troubles in the Middle East long after he leaves the office of President of the USA.

That region as well as others around the world owes no thanks to Trump.

I guess we can thank Trump for peace in the Middle East.

Wow.. They are calling it the The Abraham Accord.

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