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Quote from: Coyster on February 01, 2024, 12:15:23 PM

Quote from: Volgastallion on February 01, 2024, 11:52:49 AM

For me the little surprise can be Atletico taking out Inter the last subchampion.

There would be no surprise if Atletico eliminates Inter Milan, it is a 50/50 game and neither side is the underdog in this game, they have equal chances of winning. I know Inter Milan are flying in the Italian Seria A and they are top of the league, whilst Atletico are not doing so well in the Spanish LaLiga, but nonetheless the two teams are of equal strength and it would be a game that will be decided on the finest of margins.

It will be hard for Atlectico to beat Inter Milan because Inter Milan are in better form than Atlectico. Inter Milan are in very good form, so for Atlectico to beat them, it will be hard, and it will even be a tough match for Atlectico. If you check the league, you mention which seria A you clearly stated that Inter Milan are topping, which means it is their performance that takes them there, so you can see that the match won’t be so stressful for Inter Milan as I’m thinking they also try their best to deliver positively here, so let’s wait and see how the match goes, but I’m sure Inter Milan will concur with Atlectico because Atlectico are just doing well in the La Liga and they are even topping the standings while Intee Milan are doing that in the seria A.

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Quote from: Davian144 on February 01, 2024, 03:45:17 PM

Quote from: Volgastallion on February 01, 2024, 11:52:49 AM

After so long break like ever anyone consider we are gonna see some surprises? LIke we see on the leagues when a long break took part? I dont think we have so many games to see that kind of surprises but you never know.

For me the little surprise can be Atletico taking out Inter the last subchampion.

I myself am still not thinking about the surprises that could occur in the match that Atletico Madrid will play this month because I think it is still quite early to think about it now. However, if you look at the current condition of the two teams, there is a possibility that their match could be fierce and it wouldn't be that surprising to me if Inter Milan were defeated by Atletico Madrid in that match. But because this is the Champions League, of course the potential for fierce matches is always greater for all teams.

Lol, the Champions League break is not the same as the domestic league break and as such, doesn't have any significant bad or good impacts. Because basically, every club can develop and/or improve their performance to be better in the domestic league, then the performance and results they have in the domestic league can be preparation for them to play in the Champions League . After all, every season the Champions League also has a schedule like this but look at the results, most of them are still fine when they are also good in the domestic league. Even though it is not a complete guarantee but ya, at least the results and performance in the domestic league can be a consideration for us to make predictions and choices for them in the Champions League.

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Quote from: piebeyb on February 01, 2024, 09:24:46 AM

Copenhagen may not be a difficult opponent for Manchester City, but Copenhagen could make it difficult for Manchester City to win in the first leg, Copenhagen always has a surprise for that, why can they qualify as runners up in Group A, I don't doubt Manchester City's ability but they You have to be careful with Copenhagen, who always play full of surprises, they could make things difficult, so Guardiola must be able to field all his key players to be able to win in the first leg.

At least for the meeting in the first leg, Manchester City was able to score more than 3 goals to keep their position safe, but talking about the UCL title race this season is not an easy matter because Munich and Madrid are quite taken into account in this competition, even though it may be as we think. I know that Manchester City remains the strongest club at the moment, especially since KDB's return has made it possible for Haaland to get assists that can make him a goal machine. I think Manchester City will reach the final and hopefully they won't meet Madrid except in the UCL final. Grin

Now we have less than two weeks for this big encounter which is going to be interesting with Haaland is back, and Manchester City is surely now back on fire but still in their first leg things could be not easy for them because we have two matches before this at Copenhagen and both ended on draw which are surely good from them as in their last game at Bayern Munich they hold them which is also impressive from them so it could be interesting how Manchester City will be handled this all.

With the return of the two key players now they will be more confident but still any prediction about going into last two is not easy because we have few teams which can bring surprises in coming matches which can make things difficult for them because many teams are doing their best in this season and having good chance for jumping into last two for this event as well.

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Historically, many can be called strong, for example, Crvena Zvezda or Steaua - both of these clubs won the Champions League, but in today's realities they cannot be favorites even in the Conference League. Likewise, Porto are clear underdogs in games against Arsenal. Here are the odds for the first game:

4.31 - 3.58 - 1.78

Even away, Arsenal are favorites. Taking into account the fact that this is the most convenient scheme for a two-game confrontation (first an away game then at home), I don’t think that there can be any surprises here. Even if Porto somehow manages to win in the first game, Arsenal will solve all the issues in the return game.

Well the old time football is quite different from now and the issues most teams are having is that they weren’t able to adapt to the changes. We have teams who were considered big teams in the old time football and even won the Champions League but they’re nothing to write home about in recent football.
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It's not about the teams that couldn't adapt, it's about the economy. The more football became a business, the more successful clubs from rich countries became. Once upon a time, Eastern Europe could compete on equal terms with Western Europe, but economic processes have led to the fact that now rich countries completely dominate. Now no club from a small country (and therefore with a smaller budget because the market size is smaller, even if the standard of living in the country is good) has no chance of being consistently successful. If some Ajax appears that will play like Bayern, then all its players will be taken away immediately after the end (and maybe before the end haha) of the season.

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Quote from: tusandii on February 01, 2024, 03:08:32 PM

Yes, I also admit the same thing that Dortmund will be able to beat PSV, but it is not an easy task and we cannot see or predict a club's performance from domestic league matches because the performance of the two clubs will definitely be very different.
I prefer to predict and see the results of the matches in the previous preliminary round and if I look it seems like Dortmund is still far superior to PSV because I see from the results that Dortmund has only conceded 4 while PSV has conceded 10 scores but in terms of scoring PSV is superior with 8 scores while Dortmund only had 7 scores.
As I have said, Dortmund currently has a very good defense and this has been acknowledged by many people, but it's just that Dortmund's attack line is not that strong so Dortmund's performance will rely on defense and will attack when there are few gaps in PSV defense weak.

Dortmund will not waste this opportunity and I am sure that at least Dortmund will be ahead in the 1st leg to get a superior aggregate score and qualify for the next round.

Indeed with Dortmund achievement success qualify to 16 of round from difficult group after eliminating AC Milan and lead first standings position from PSG but I doubt their opportunity for defeating PSV Eindhoven in knock out round. Looking performance in domestic league still unbeaten until 19 matches seems PSV Eindhoven have more promising will lead one place to quarter final than Dortmund. In domestic league performance, PSV Eindhoven conceded 8 goals of 19 matches and Dortmund have played 19 matches with 26 goals conceded.

Have significant difference performance PSV in group round than domestic league, comparison with Champion League group stage performance seems Dortmund more promising get qualify to next round. I don't think fair with comparison domestic league between PSV and Dortmund because Bundesliga have competitive than Eredivisie.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on February 01, 2024, 11:52:49 AM

After so long break like ever anyone consider we are gonna see some surprises? LIke we see on the leagues when a long break took part? I dont think we have so many games to see that kind of surprises but you never know.

For me the little surprise can be Atletico taking out Inter the last subchampion.

I myself am still not thinking about the surprises that could occur in the match that Atletico Madrid will play this month because I think it is still quite early to think about it now. However, if you look at the current condition of the two teams, there is a possibility that their match could be fierce and it wouldn't be that surprising to me if Inter Milan were defeated by Atletico Madrid in that match. But because this is the Champions League, of course the potential for fierce matches is always greater for all teams.

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Quote from: Kristiyana on January 31, 2024, 06:01:56 PM

Manchester City has solid composition between their main and reserve players, in phase group matches Pep Guardiola losses many main players but its not problem for him how the same level with reserve players and The Citizen easily manage group standings position. I think has opportunity for Manchester City for defending their UEFA Champion League tittle in this season but depend on drawing match schedule on quarter final until semifinal round.
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Manchester City is a very solid and very strong team, their coach, one of the best in my opinion, has done a truly excellent job and you can see the attention he has put into the details in designing a team that you are unlikely to surprise , in my opinion it will reach the final this year too. I bet on it.

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Quote from: SmartCharpa on February 01, 2024, 07:13:41 AM

Dortmund's play has started to show signs of improvement in their previous three Bundesliga games. However, I don't see any difficulties for them against PSV in the round of 16. Despite their strong performance this season, PSV seems to starting losing their strength. I'm confident that Dortmund will win in this game.

Yes, I also admit the same thing that Dortmund will be able to beat PSV, but it is not an easy task and we cannot see or predict a club's performance from domestic league matches because the performance of the two clubs will definitely be very different.
I prefer to predict and see the results of the matches in the previous preliminary round and if I look it seems like Dortmund is still far superior to PSV because I see from the results that Dortmund has only conceded 4 while PSV has conceded 10 scores but in terms of scoring PSV is superior with 8 scores while Dortmund only had 7 scores.
As I have said, Dortmund currently has a very good defense and this has been acknowledged by many people, but it's just that Dortmund's attack line is not that strong so Dortmund's performance will rely on defense and will attack when there are few gaps in PSV defense weak.

Dortmund will not waste this opportunity and I am sure that at least Dortmund will be ahead in the 1st leg to get a superior aggregate score and qualify for the next round.

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Quote from: Coyster on February 01, 2024, 12:15:23 PM

Quote from: Volgastallion on February 01, 2024, 11:52:49 AM

For me the little surprise can be Atletico taking out Inter the last subchampion.

There would be no surprise if Atletico eliminates Inter Milan, it is a 50/50 game and neither side is the underdog in this game, they have equal chances of winning. I know Inter Milan are flying in the Italian Seria A and they are top of the league, whilst Atletico are not doing so well in the Spanish LaLiga, but nonetheless the two teams are of equal strength and it would be a game that will be decided on the finest of margins.

If we refer to the betting market for these two teams, bookmakers favor Inter over Atletico Madrid. Inter Milan with odds @1.94, while Atletico Madrid with @4.00. It is clear that Inter is currently superior to Altetico Madrid in the first leg. For me, it's natural that Inter is more favored. Apart from playing at the San Siro, Inter Milan's performance is better than Atletico Madrid in their respective domestic leagues. in terms of goal productivity, Inter is much more productive. but in the Champions League group phase, Atletico was much more productive and won the group. Meanwhile, Inter were only runners up in the group D phase.

IMO, if I refer to the pattern and system applied by these two teams, it is very likely that the match will be quite tough. however, in terms of betting options, Inter is more favored by bookies. So let's wait because this match will be held soon, we will find out which team will win the first leg.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on February 01, 2024, 06:29:48 AM

I don't think if Arsenal even needs to spend money to buy more players because they are currently in a situation in which they have many superstars and good players in this team and the current squad of Arsenal is not bad at all.

Yeah I agree with you that Arsenal doesn't need more players right now because they currently have all it takes to get to any level of performance they want because there squad is very much okay on less they want to waste money for more players because right now Arsenal challenge is not because of inexperienced players but instead I believe it should be more of determination and consistency, however we are all aware of what has been happening to Arsenal since last season that from the beginning they would play very well but before the season will go far they will start losing form, so I don't think solving the problem is by getting new players but instead the coach should be able identify the cause and work on it.

I thought that if arsenal really need a good striker but since winter transfer season has already closed and then there was no transfer is happening for arsenal till now and i must say that if arsenal is only trying to use everything available in the club. The performance from nketiah and gabriel were not so good.
Arsenal needs someone like benzema but the club has no interest to make it happen. The coach is concerning about how poor the performance from the attackers. This is the reason arsenal being linked to the benzema but the club has refused by making no movement to get him from al ittihad.
I was hoping benzema to join in arsenal but my wish was not coming true caused by the transfer season has already closed. My expectation is too big for this club or kroenke has not allowed the club to sign the new player to join in the club.
It's only arteta who knows the real condition in the club. I remember arsenal has tried to open talks with benzema's agent.

Everyone including myself was very hopeful about the rumors of Benzema coming to Arsenal, but right now what remains to be seen is that Arsenal still maintain their stand in signing only younger players that would commit long term to the success of the club and I respect that.
The players in the person of Saka, Nketiah, Gabriel still have a lot of improvement to make and although I know that fatigue and the stress of playing in more than one competition is telling on their performance right now, still, am hopeful and can see them doing better before the season ends.

Karim Benzema is a player who is far from his good form and he is not having a good performance like his younger ages, that's why I think hiring Benzema can't help Arsenal at all, I even have some news about Benzema with other teams like Lyon but investing on him doesn't make any sense.
On the other hand, I think Arsenal doesn't really need to buy more players and the current squad of Arsenal can be very strong in the Champions League in the match they have against Porto.

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Quote from: Davian144 on January 31, 2024, 10:43:43 AM

From what has been seen this season, it is true that Arsenal is more solid than last season in terms of strength, but I also agree with what you say that Arsenal must be able to handle conceding ridiculous goals in every important match. And in the Champions League, all rounds must always be considered important by any team if they still have the desire to get the Champions League trophy this season so that the match is quite likely to be very competitive.

Historically Porto is clearly better than Arsenal, because the Portuguese representatives have two UCL trophies in their cupboard while Arsenal have none. In terms of mentality, it is clear that Porto is better than Arsenal, but things have now changed and Arsenal has better bargaining power than Porto. Reasonably enough, Arsenal has better attributes and squad depth than Porto, Arteta spent big last summer. However, Arsenal and Porto are not favorites to win this season, because clubs like Madrid, Man City and Bayern have better strengths.

On paper, I'm pretty sure Arsenal can get through to the round of 16 by beating Porto, even though we realize that Porto is not a team that can be underestimated. In the group phase Arsenal suffered one defeat, while Porto experienced it twice, maybe this can be a reference if you want to bet on their match. So far Arsenal have been considered consistent in the EPL, and in my opinion they have a chance to reach the semi finals this season.

I do not think Arsenal is going to lose this match. Actually, even if Arsenal somehow makes a mistake in the first leg, I think they will be able to correct that mistake in the second leg. Arsenal is a lot more stronger compared to Porto. And I think people would agree with me on this one.

One problem you can say that Arsenal could have faced is having to play matches in a short amount of time. But Arsenal also don't have that problem because they have some free days before that match. Yes, they do have a match against Newcastle United 3 days later. But I don't think that is going to be a big issue.

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Quote from: Coyster on February 01, 2024, 12:15:23 PM

There would be no surprise if Atletico eliminates Inter Milan, it is a 50/50 game and neither side is the underdog in this game, they have equal chances of winning. I know Inter Milan are flying in the Italian Seria A and they are top of the league, whilst Atletico are not doing so well in the Spanish LaLiga, but nonetheless the two teams are of equal strength and it would be a game that will be decided on the finest of margins.

One of the tough match to watch out for. Who's getting eliminated and who's qualifying for next round? Atletico Madrid and Inter Milan are on the same level because they have the necessary players and the coaches, clashing together wouldn't be an issue because the best teams always wins. Simeone Inzaghi and Diego Simeone, both experienced, and trust me when I say none of these teams will give up easily, they're in the UEFA Champions League Round of 16, big hopes coming from both teams because they're elite phase and giving up is never in their rader.

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I don't think if Arsenal even needs to spend money to buy more players because they are currently in a situation in which they have many superstars and good players in this team and the current squad of Arsenal is not bad at all.
In the premier league, they are having a hard race with Liverpool and Manchester City and in the Champions League, they should play against Porto and I think Arsenal has good enough power to beat Proto and be in the next stage of the Champions League.

Arsenal doesn't need new players, but I disagree. Their squad is strong, but consistency is lacking. Seasons start well then fade. Keep your form and mental strength throughout the season, not your talent. Signing new players isn't always effective. Instead, they should bolster team resilience and performance. Coaches must improve their tactics and mental toughness

In fact, Arsenal has a similar habit every season, when they enter an important moment they lose balance, there are underlying factors. This season Arsenal does have better squad depth than last season, the signing of players like Declan Rice and Kai Havertz makes the team more solid. It's true, there are several shortcomings that need to be corrected by Arteta in the future, especially regarding the defense line. I think on the front line Arteta already has players he can rely on, even though according to most EPL fans that not enough to make them compete with Liverpool or Manchester City.

In the Champions League itself, Arsenal performed quite well because they only suffered one defeat in the group stage against Lens, and in the round of 16 they will face Porto. Arteta must instill a winning mentality in his players, that is the main key so they can talk a lot in the Champions League. Apart from that, I think Arsenal has the opportunity to become a surprise team, like Inter Milan last season. We understand that Madrid, Bayern Munich and Manchester City were also favorites last season, but Inter Milan was lucky to reach the final.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on February 01, 2024, 08:41:17 AM

Haaland is back by the way for the ones who hasn't been able to keep up. He entered the Burnley game in the Premier League late last night. We would see him being in the starting lineup soon I assume. Now Manchester City have all of their deadly players on the pitch.

This must be really scary for Copenhagen already now.

Rather than this matchup I'm curious about whether Manchester City will manage to get a back-to-back title. It isn't an easy job despite being one of the strongest teams on paper. Technically they are the biggest favourite as well. Grin

I see Real Madrid as the biggest threat for now.

Anyday Anytime, Real Madrid would be considered the best and favorite to win the Champions League but as we know Manchester City are not doing bad to be able to come first place.
Copenhagen even with them youth did well during the games against Manchester United and also Bayern Munich. Bayern Munich was the shocker fir me as they held them till they draw that game. Bayern Munich really did find it hard to win during the Champions League second fixture against Copenhagen.

It's enough message for Manchester City not to look down on Copenhagen. In between they play good football. Having both Erling Haaland, Kevin De Bruyne and Jeremy Doku would increase them creativity.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on February 01, 2024, 06:29:48 AM

Quote from: klidex on February 01, 2024, 02:02:50 AM

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I don't think if Arsenal even needs to spend money to buy more players because they are currently in a situation in which they have many superstars and good players in this team and the current squad of Arsenal is not bad at all.
In the premier league, they are having a hard race with Liverpool and Manchester City and in the Champions League, they should play against Porto and I think Arsenal has good enough power to beat Proto and be in the next stage of the Champions League.

Arsenal doesn't need new players, but I disagree. Their squad is strong, but consistency is lacking. Seasons start well then fade. Keep your form and mental strength throughout the season, not your talent. Signing new players isn't always effective. Instead, they should bolster team resilience and performance. Coaches must improve their tactics and mental toughness

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Quote from: Coyster on February 01, 2024, 12:15:23 PM

Quote from: Volgastallion on February 01, 2024, 11:52:49 AM

For me the little surprise can be Atletico taking out Inter the last subchampion.

There would be no surprise if Atletico eliminates Inter Milan, it is a 50/50 game and neither side is the underdog in this game, they have equal chances of winning. I know Inter Milan are flying in the Italian Seria A and they are top of the league, whilst Atletico are not doing so well in the Spanish LaLiga, but nonetheless the two teams are of equal strength and it would be a game that will be decided on the finest of margins.

Since you are bringing up ratios, I would not call this a 50/50 game. I don't want to be nitpicking here, but in my opinion there is a 55-60/45-40 ration in favor of Inter Milan. I think they are better than Atletico Madrid in all respects. From the top of my head I can't think of a position where Atletico Madrid is clearly better than Inter Milan. Inter has got Atletico covered from the defense over the midfield to the offense. I am not saying by far or so, but Inter is my favorite in this game. If Atletico Madrid eliminates them, I would be surprised. Vice versa, I think that's what most people would expect from this game.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on February 01, 2024, 11:52:49 AM

For me the little surprise can be Atletico taking out Inter the last subchampion.

There would be no surprise if Atletico eliminates Inter Milan, it is a 50/50 game and neither side is the underdog in this game, they have equal chances of winning. I know Inter Milan are flying in the Italian Seria A and they are top of the league, whilst Atletico are not doing so well in the Spanish LaLiga, but nonetheless the two teams are of equal strength and it would be a game that will be decided on the finest of margins.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on February 01, 2024, 08:41:17 AM

Haaland is back by the way for the ones who hasn't been able to keep up. He entered the Burnley game in the Premier League late last night. We would see him being in the starting lineup soon I assume. Now Manchester City have all of their deadly players on the pitch.

This must be really scary for Copenhagen already now.

Rather than this matchup I'm curious about whether Manchester City will manage to get a back-to-back title. It isn't an easy job despite being one of the strongest teams on paper. Technically they are the biggest favourite as well. Grin

I see Real Madrid as the biggest threat for now.

Yeah i have heard that too. haaland has been expected to comeback from his injury this month. I hope that he will be fine and there will be no problem that will be preventing him to perform with manchester city again. that's enough to hear that haaland was absence due to the injury.
I do like to see him to play in the club together with de bruyne. De bruyne has been back again and this is going to be a crazy moment caused by we will be seeing the crazy duet between haaland and de bruyne to perform again.

Other club must be so careful when they are facing manchester city right now caused by city has its key players back to the line up. Haaland will continue to score as many as possible with the help from de bruyne.

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After so long break like ever anyone consider we are gonna see some surprises? LIke we see on the leagues when a long break took part? I dont think we have so many games to see that kind of surprises but you never know.

For me the little surprise can be Atletico taking out Inter the last subchampion.

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The clubs sat down with purchases, either due to the tightening of ffp or something else, the market may have somehow begun to be regulated due to massive overpayments on transfers and salaries of players, but Arsenal will not be forgiven, apparently they are not risking better than a 2-3 place than a possible championship and withdrawal points, although even with this composition anything can happen.

They don't have a great striker, I'm sure they're still looking to sign a new striker, but it might be either swaps or they need to sell other player first. Arsenal have so many players, it's more than enough to cover their starting eleven.

I think Trossard, Nketiah and Nelson will be sold in the near future considering they're not really that young and didn't contribute a lot.

If you look closely at them, it looks like Arsenal is playing a strategy without a striker, like Mamnchester City did before they brought in Erling Hsaland. Of course it's a risk for them, but so far they've been pretty good at it.
Arsenal has not fully matured with the team formed by Arteta in recent years, but if Arteta is kept longer I am sure he will find his glory days, because I see the process he is carrying out is also progressing very well so far.
They just haven't been able to be consistent throughout the season, and the depth of their squad is not completely evenly distributed, so when they have to be left behind by one of their mainstay players they seem to have dificulty finding plyers who can fill the void left behind. I see their future in Arteta's hands looking good.

Of course having a strategy without a striker is a mistake in my opinion and it is quite dangerous, after all a team needs a pass executor to the penalty city or as a finishing to get a goal, a strategy without a striker is a big risk in my opinion, but it would be better to have players who have two skills both as a striker and midfielder, a strategy without a striker might be used if their forward players have flexibility in their two jobs.

Arteta is good enough at Arsenal and I think he needs to add a ball play maker in midfield and a good executor in attack, maybe arsenal will be much better, but it will be useless if they always lose concentration which causes them to lose their consistency.

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