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Quote from: Rengga Jati on December 15, 2023, 03:39:07 PM

Yeah, actually he has stayed at PSG quite a bit... We have seen how often he wanted to leave PSG and ultimately failed.. I don't know what the reason is, but Mbappe has done a lot for PSG.

Actually, it's PSG that has refused Mbappe to leave. If they had slowed him, he would have left a long time ago. PSG needs Mbappe more than Mbappe needs them. He's big and he knows it. Look at the PSG team, I don't think they can go anywhere without Mbappe, not right now at least. Mbappe is a difference maker, it is for this reason that Madrid would do anything to get Mbappe no matter what it takes.

Most times I always imagine Mbappe in that Madrid team. The only problem is going to be that Vinicius is on the left wing and that is Mbappe's preferred position. If Mbappe can perfectly play the no 9 position and Madrid gets a sharp right winger that attack would be the most fearful in Europe.

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PSG has a squad that is used to winning trophies at least in the domestic league and also, basically PSG is an elite French team and yes, of course they have a good winning mentality too . But unfortunately, PSG always gets less than optimal results in the Champions League so yes, even though on paper PSG's quality is better than Dortmund, but PSG still failed to beat Dortmund.

Therefore, of course PSG must be able to accept the result they got of only being runners up, at least this result is still good for them compared to just finishing in the lower position . So yes, taking into account the results PSG got in this group phase then yes, at least I'm still not sure PSG can progress further. Because yes, it looks like PSG still really needs more time, of course to build a better team to get a performance that promises trophies in the future in the Champions League.

But even if I was optimistic about PSG's potential in the Champions League, I can't see a single scenario where they end up playing in the Champions League final and perhaps win it. I would always bet against them. Now it is not impossible for them to survive a few rounds in the knockout stages as they can get some draws they can handle, like Real Sociedad or Barcelona or maybe Atletico Madrid. But Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Real Madrid or Manchester City is too much for them. The chance is not like 0 because they can score goals and Mbappe can be the man of the match and score 3 goals, but if those games don't take exceptional turns, I think PSG would be out against the strong teams.

The teams contending for the tittle had already been highlighted by you,There are some teams I can predict that they can get to the Semi final and the final of this tournament,a team like Mancity,Madrid, Arsenal, Bayern and Dortmund,this are the five teams I'm tipping to go throught from the round of 16 of the tournament.Arteta wants to take his boys to somewhere far in this tournament,and if you see the way they play in this competition,you will see aggression in the players,they play like a team that has ambition and wants to win the tittle,and I think they can do it because they have the team whereas,Madrid is a another team trying to win this tittle,and if I am to predict, I tip Madrid to get to the final with Arsenal.

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He's still around the club and holds a position within Manchester United as a special advisor to the board and management. I've also read a new of how he's backing Erik Ten Hag for the job come rain come sun.

I want to blame him at times but I can't do that! I wonder why he gave chance of management too David Moyes who sent the club back to the trenches and slums with his poor tactics and management? But, what can I do? What ever has been done has been done. It's time to look forward aminot backwards.

For the job, Erik Ten Hag should be backed even if he lose against Liverpool on Sunday at Anfield. He is a great manager. Looking at the past managers who've been sacked, Erik Ten Hag has done a better job than them all. Someone correct me if I'm lying. So why sack him when you can get him the players he wants?!

Manchester United is not in good form and its clearly understandable by the supportive die-hard fans. They know within themselves they can't withstand the pressing energy of these elite clubs and they also have a fight to win because they need to be among the top four clubs this season, qualifying for the UEFA Champions League competition will be of great honor despite failing to qualify from the group stage this season. Erik Ten Hag is held with complicated jobs and any decisions he makes, neither good or bad have a 50/50 of ruining or exploring the club.

In my opinion, Erik Ten Hag may be one of the worst coaches to ever come to Manchester United. I still don't understand how he can be in charge of the team. Don't they see that they were defeated at Old Trafford in their UCL group and finished last in the group? The money spent on transfers is very high and these inefficient players are purchased or the player cannot be productive. In this situation, I am surprised to see that he is still in charge of the team.

Manchester United was usually a strong team in the Champions League and that's why Manchester United fans are unhappy about what they see from this team right now.
Even their coach Ten Hag is not guilty here while we know any person and any coach can make mistakes we can't forget Ten Hag made mistakes during the summer when he hired some players they didn't need and that's how Manchester United just spent money without any improvements in this team.
I think Manchester United should forget everything about the Champions League and just try to stick to the Premier League to get a better place in the table.

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Quote from: red4slash on December 15, 2023, 04:59:11 PM

Regardless of the judgement of whether he is a good coach or a bad coach I think for now it is not very useful.
The situation now is that Manchester United have failed in the group phase will not be in the Europa League play offs either because of their position at the bottom of the table which makes the EPL club's steps tarnished for the Champions Leaegue title because this season there are 2 representatives who do not qualify and are at the bottom of the table.

Manchester United seems to have definitely understood the current situation and it would be very naive if there was no action on this so I think sooner or later Ten Hag's position in the coach will not be safe at this time even though previously many Manchester United officials and legends still continued to support Ten Hag as coach but now it seems that this will be very different in terms of the results received by Manchester United at this time.

From what we can see Manchester United is not in a difficult group in the Champions League but they failed to do well so it is quite appropriate that their strength is still not strong at European level because they are still unable to compete with Copenhagen and Galatasaray. I think this failure should be a valuable lesson for them to improve again in the winter transfer window because after being eliminated from the Champions League, Manchester United must focus their energy only on the Premier League.

So Erik Ten Hag can use the January transfer window to improve their weaknesses by recruiting new players. Yes, after the failure in the Champions League, Erik position is increasingly insecure and he must be able to restore the full trust of Manchester United officials by winning every match in the Premier League and being able to return to the top 4 ranking.

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Quote from: red4slash on December 15, 2023, 04:59:11 PM

Manchester United seems to have definitely understood the current situation and it would be very naive if there was no action on this so I think sooner or later Ten Hag's position in the coach will not be safe at this time even though previously many Manchester United officials and legends still continued to support Ten Hag as coach but now it seems that this will be very different in terms of the results received by Manchester United at this time.

According to some German media, they are already looking for a new coach and I can completely understand that. It was clear from the start that they wouldn't be able to beat Bayern in this game and it was clear to me that a new coach would come after the disaster in the CL. In the meantime it is definitely the best decision for the team.

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Quote from: hahay on December 15, 2023, 12:46:02 PM

PSG has a squad that is used to winning trophies at least in the domestic league and also, basically PSG is an elite French team and yes, of course they have a good winning mentality too . But unfortunately, PSG always gets less than optimal results in the Champions League so yes, even though on paper PSG's quality is better than Dortmund, but PSG still failed to beat Dortmund.

Therefore, of course PSG must be able to accept the result they got of only being runners up, at least this result is still good for them compared to just finishing in the lower position . So yes, taking into account the results PSG got in this group phase then yes, at least I'm still not sure PSG can progress further. Because yes, it looks like PSG still really needs more time, of course to build a better team to get a performance that promises trophies in the future in the Champions League.

But even if I was optimistic about PSG's potential in the Champions League, I can't see a single scenario where they end up playing in the Champions League final and perhaps win it. I would always bet against them. Now it is not impossible for them to survive a few rounds in the knockout stages as they can get some draws they can handle, like Real Sociedad or Barcelona or maybe Atletico Madrid. But Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Real Madrid or Manchester City is too much for them. The chance is not like 0 because they can score goals and Mbappe can be the man of the match and score 3 goals, but if those games don't take exceptional turns, I think PSG would be out against the strong teams.

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In my opinion, Erik Ten Hag may be one of the worst coaches to ever come to Manchester United. I still don't understand how he can be in charge of the team. Don't they see that they were defeated at Old Trafford in their UCL group and finished last in the group? The money spent on transfers is very high and these inefficient players are purchased or the player cannot be productive. In this situation, I am surprised to see that he is still in charge of the team.

Maybe the leadership of the club at the moment does not want to risk and destabilise the situation in the team, because of the tournaments they have only EPL, and things are more or less normal there, they can only make things worse if they sack the coach, because then it is unknown whether the new coach will take root or not, and now every match is worth its weight in gold.

Regardless of the judgement of whether he is a good coach or a bad coach I think for now it is not very useful.
The situation now is that Manchester United have failed in the group phase will not be in the Europa League play offs either because of their position at the bottom of the table which makes the EPL club's steps tarnished for the Champions Leaegue title because this season there are 2 representatives who do not qualify and are at the bottom of the table.

Manchester United seems to have definitely understood the current situation and it would be very naive if there was no action on this so I think sooner or later Ten Hag's position in the coach will not be safe at this time even though previously many Manchester United officials and legends still continued to support Ten Hag as coach but now it seems that this will be very different in terms of the results received by Manchester United at this time.

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If Erik Ten Hag is categorized as a bad coach then the previous season would not have been in the Champions League but this time it was a failure that he led his team, maybe you are right, there are divisions in the team so it is difficult for Man United to be solid again. I think Erik Ten Hag's philosophy is too strict and this is not comfortable for the players or anything else, this problem is not so detailed it will remain what is rumored we are quite sure there are divisions at his club now.

Maybe after Man United was acquired, things will change? However, this did not happen Glazer wanted a higher price and potential new investors did not want to buy a club that was too expensive, the same thing happened with Chelsea, who spent a lot of money investing in players, but in fact it did not meet the club owner's expectations.

I think the problem isn’t ETH but the players especially some lazy set of players who feel they’re too big for some of his routines during training and who doesn’t know the real meaning of playing for the Manchester United badge. Yes, he might be kind of strict but they should know it’s for a cause, to get trophies. And the board too who got most of these lazy players in wouldn’t want to go against them due to some benefits.

So I think the main issue is the Takeover; when finally completed, I feel effective change will spark up in this Manchester United team under the same ETH, and I hope Sir Jim would do a total clean up in the footballing sector of the club and help them get better, especially selling those deadwoods that's got nothing to offer them anymore, cause they're the bad eggs that are hindering the clubs progress too, Martial for example.

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Quote from: marcous on December 15, 2023, 03:41:03 PM

Seeing PSG ambition to win the UCL trophy, I was reminded of Chelsea history under Abramovich ownership. Not a little money has been poured out in the transfer market, quite a lot of star players have come and gone, and we have seen several managers fired because they always failed to realize the dream of the club owner, namely bringing home the UCL trophy. But in the end they managed to achieve it after being patient for a long time, Di Matteo became interim coach at that time.

Honestly for now I still don't see the ambition that is really a good ambition for PSG in the title race in the Champions Lageu because their performance is getting worse and worse and actually this is a little different from the Abramovich era Chelsea although there are some points of similarity.

But back to PSG I still don't see that at the moment because in my opinion until now PSG's performance is still very inadequate even though some of the young players who are available and their finances as resources are still very capable but in terms of seriousness in pursuing the Champions League trophy I think their passion is decreasing.

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He's still around the club and holds a position within Manchester United as a special advisor to the board and management. I've also read a new of how he's backing Erik Ten Hag for the job come rain come sun.

I want to blame him at times but I can't do that! I wonder why he gave chance of management too David Moyes who sent the club back to the trenches and slums with his poor tactics and management? But, what can I do? What ever has been done has been done. It's time to look forward aminot backwards.

For the job, Erik Ten Hag should be backed even if he lose against Liverpool on Sunday at Anfield. He is a great manager. Looking at the past managers who've been sacked, Erik Ten Hag has done a better job than them all. Someone correct me if I'm lying. So why sack him when you can get him the players he wants?!

Manchester United is not in good form and its clearly understandable by the supportive die-hard fans. They know within themselves they can't withstand the pressing energy of these elite clubs and they also have a fight to win because they need to be among the top four clubs this season, qualifying for the UEFA Champions League competition will be of great honor despite failing to qualify from the group stage this season. Erik Ten Hag is held with complicated jobs and any decisions he makes, neither good or bad have a 50/50 of ruining or exploring the club.

In my opinion, Erik Ten Hag may be one of the worst coaches to ever come to Manchester United. I still don't understand how he can be in charge of the team. Don't they see that they were defeated at Old Trafford in their UCL group and finished last in the group? The money spent on transfers is very high and these inefficient players are purchased or the player cannot be productive. In this situation, I am surprised to see that he is still in charge of the team.

Maybe the leadership of the club at the moment does not want to risk and destabilise the situation in the team, because of the tournaments they have only EPL, and things are more or less normal there, they can only make things worse if they sack the coach, because then it is unknown whether the new coach will take root or not, and now every match is worth its weight in gold.

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Seeing PSG ambition to win the UCL trophy, I was reminded of Chelsea history under Abramovich ownership. Not a little money has been poured out in the transfer market, quite a lot of star players have come and gone, and we have seen several managers fired because they always failed to realize the dream of the club owner, namely bringing home the UCL trophy. But in the end they managed to achieve it after being patient for a long time, Di Matteo became interim coach at that time.

Chelsea telah memenangkan 2 gelar Liga Champion, gelar yang mana yang anda maksud, gelar pertama atau gelar kedua?
Chelsea won their second League title with Thomas Tuchel, at that time he had only managed the team for only half a season. Chelsea beat Manchester City in the final even though at the time I really believed Manchester City was the team most likely to win it.

Quote from: marcous on December 15, 2023, 03:41:03 PM

In short, PSG is no different from Chelsea in the past who tried to build a club and tried to win the UCL with an abundant financial base. I feel that sooner or later PSG will also be able to realize their dream, but of course it will take time and hard work, they have to show a better performance than what they have shown before.

Yes, there will come a time when PSG wins the title, but maybe not this season or in the next 5 seasons. LOL

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Categorizing Ten Hag as one of the worst coaches for Manchester United may not be accurate, but I don't think Ten Hag is one of the most successful. Ten Hag had an incredible season last season with Manchester United, as a result Ten Hag managed to get Manchester United through to the group stage of the Champions League this season. But not so in his second season, he failed to live up to many expectations and his team fell apart.

Until tomorrow and beyond, money doesn't guarantee everything is fine for the club. PSG has spent a lot of money to win the Champions League title, yet they still failed despite reaching the final a few seasons ago. Manchester United needed big changes including getting the club acquired by new investors, but that still failed when the Glazer family still refused to do so.

UCL competition is the top tournament in the world of European football. Manchester United exits the UEFA Champions League in a disgraceful act and this have become the regular routine for the Red Devils. They don't stand in good position to qualify for any significant spot, always relying on their main player's and this is crucially bad news. Erik Ten Hag have failed the fans and the club, he doesn't sits balance to take his club to the next level, he just have instructs his club on becoming a top one because everyone keen on waiting for the firing Red Devils in past decades.

Seeing PSG ambition to win the UCL trophy, I was reminded of Chelsea history under Abramovich ownership. Not a little money has been poured out in the transfer market, quite a lot of star players have come and gone, and we have seen several managers fired because they always failed to realize the dream of the club owner, namely bringing home the UCL trophy. But in the end they managed to achieve it after being patient for a long time, Di Matteo became interim coach at that time.

In short, PSG is no different from Chelsea in the past who tried to build a club and tried to win the UCL with an abundant financial base. I feel that sooner or later PSG will also be able to realize their dream, but of course it will take time and hard work, they have to show a better performance than what they have shown before.

Regarding Man United and Ten Hag, we have run out of words for them, because I see them as having lost their soul this season. This means that all the efforts they made were unsuccessful so they had to be eliminated early from UCL. Ten Hag deserves pressure, because he is also supported by a large budget from the club, but in reality he failed to bring United to the round of 16 or to the Europa League via the play off route.

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Quote from: Alpha Marine on December 15, 2023, 03:30:46 PM

If we look at it you can't blame Mbappe for staying at PSG. He's still young and would have a lot of time to move to another club, why not stay a little longer and try to see if he can win the champions league with PSG while making a shit ton of money.
He made the right decision not to go to Saudi Arabia even if he had a chance to make so much more than he makes at PSG.

Yeah, actually he has stayed at PSG quite a bit... We have seen how often he wanted to leave PSG and ultimately failed.. I don't know what the reason is, but Mbappe has done a lot for PSG. And it's true that he's still young and has a long career. He has the right to choose to be at his dream club a long time ago. The transfer market will be one of the most important moments in his life to determine where he will go. Yes, if he only focused on making money, he would have gone to the Saudi League when he was offered it. However, he clearly rejected it for the sake of his career which still has a bright future.

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Categorizing Ten Hag as one of the worst coaches for Manchester United may not be accurate, but I don't think Ten Hag is one of the most successful. Ten Hag had an incredible season last season with Manchester United, as a result Ten Hag managed to get Manchester United through to the group stage of the Champions League this season. But not so in his second season, he failed to live up to many expectations and his team fell apart.

Until tomorrow and beyond, money doesn't guarantee everything is fine for the club. PSG has spent a lot of money to win the Champions League title, yet they still failed despite reaching the final a few seasons ago. Manchester United needed big changes including getting the club acquired by new investors, but that still failed when the Glazer family still refused to do so.

If Erik Ten Hag is categorized as a bad coach then the previous season would not have been in the Champions League but this time it was a failure that he led his team, maybe you are right, there are divisions in the team so it is difficult for Man United to be solid again. I think Erik Ten Hag's philosophy is too strict and this is not comfortable for the players or anything else, this problem is not so detailed it will remain what is rumored we are quite sure there are divisions at his club now.

Maybe after Man United was acquired, things will change? However, this did not happen Glazer wanted a higher price and potential new investors did not want to buy a club that was too expensive, the same thing happened with Chelsea, who spent a lot of money investing in players, but in fact it did not meet the club owner's expectations.

Of course I'm not necessarily saying that Manchester United would be better if acquired by another owner, but it's just a good option for the team if it wants to grow. PSG, Manchester City and Newcastle are 3 teams that have benefited from having Arab investors as owners, so it is another way for the club to improve.

You are right, Chelsea and some other teams have also spent a lot of money on players, but they haven't gotten anything like what they want. Ten Hag is increasingly being doubted and fans don't have much respect for him anymore. I think this is a natural thing considering that Manchester United is a team that has a big history in the Premier League.

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Quote from: ShowOff on December 15, 2023, 02:54:23 PM

Categorizing Ten Hag as one of the worst coaches for Manchester United may not be accurate, but I don't think Ten Hag is one of the most successful. Ten Hag had an incredible season last season with Manchester United, as a result Ten Hag managed to get Manchester United through to the group stage of the Champions League this season. But not so in his second season, he failed to live up to many expectations and his team fell apart.

Until tomorrow and beyond, money doesn't guarantee everything is fine for the club. PSG has spent a lot of money to win the Champions League title, yet they still failed despite reaching the final a few seasons ago. Manchester United needed big changes including getting the club acquired by new investors, but that still failed when the Glazer family still refused to do so.

UCL competition is the top tournament in the world of European football. Manchester United exits the UEFA Champions League in a disgraceful act and this have become the regular routine for the Red Devils. They don't stand in good position to qualify for any significant spot, always relying on their main player's and this is crucially bad news. Erik Ten Hag have failed the fans and the club, he doesn't sits balance to take his club to the next level, he just have instructs his club on becoming a top one because everyone keen on waiting for the firing Red Devils in past decades.

This may sound unpleasant to Ten Hag, but the failure of a team to achieve its best performance is the coach's responsibility. Ten Hag has good abilities in managing a team, but when there is a lot of pressure on his shoulders then I think his job will become even more difficult.

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Quote from: rendravolt on December 15, 2023, 09:46:53 AM

Unfortunately, Mbappe never realized this and was only tempted by the large amounts of money he could make with PSG. Los Blancos fans are ready to ridicule Mbappe if he meets PSG and that is a moment that will make his mental state even lower.

If we look at it you can't blame Mbappe for staying at PSG. He's still young and would have a lot of time to move to another club, why not stay a little longer and try to see if he can win the champions league with PSG while making a shit ton of money.
He made the right decision not to go to Saudi Arabia even if he had a chance to make so much more than he makes at PSG.

Madrid fans would always accept Mbappe. Even if they ridicule him now, they'll still wish to see him at the Bernabeu.
Madrid always says they won't go after Mbappe again, but that's not true. Madrid can't sit down and watch Mbappe go to another club.

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Even though Arsenal this season said it was very easy to advance to the round of 16 and become group champions, in the UCL, even in the round of 16, nothing is easy because even the unseeded team can make a surprise considering Arsenal's track record of rarely going far. As far as I remember, Arsenal's track record in the last 10X 16 has always met strong teams.

Arsenal have difficulty scoring goals because they don't have a striker who is hungry for goals, they should look for a striker in this transfer market. But I'm not sure if Arsenal won't bring in a striker in January, because Arteta wants every player to be able to score goals, not rely on just 1 player/number 9 because it's easier to predict how Arsenal will play. So he doesn't want to sacrifice his tactics for the sake of just one striker.

I believe that Jesus is a great player and he could be that person for them and been doing that a bit as well. You can't get Haaland or Kane type of players that easily, those players are rare, and finding someone like that would not be cheap neither, and can't get one during the winter break neither because those type of players are not easy to find. You can find people who could score here and there, but they are not going to be the one you are looking for and the result will not be good for you since you would pay a lot.

Let me give you an example, Vlahovic is a great player right? And scores bunch of goals for his team? Do you really think that if Arsenal spent some money and got him, they could fix all their problems? Of course not, he would not be what they are looking for. And not like they can convince Mbappe to go there neither. So what can they do? Well, just let this season end and they could look for some other player during the summer if they fail this year as well.

I believe Arsenal as a team have done very well in this campaign and deserve to be commended for what they have been able to achieve so far both in the champions League where they emerged group winners and the the English premier league where they are leading at the moment and perhaps seem to be favourites to win it if they remain consistent. That not withstanding with the way they are going, I believe some of the elite clubs in Europe are also scared of meeting arsenal in the round of sixteen considering the zeal, hardwork and character this team have shown this season have made them not just the team to watch but also a force to reckon with in Europe as a whole, arsenal is a team which any player can score goals and thats one unique thing about them which makes them stand out amongst other sides.

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Quote from: Texac on December 15, 2023, 02:38:19 PM

Real Madrid team is much stronger than PSG. The bonding between Real Madrid players is very strong. That's why despite not having an experienced striker, Real Madrid performed very well in every match of the group stage. On the other hand, the performance of PSG players in the group stage matches was very erratic. However, if Real Madrid want to win the Champions League title, they will definitely need to add an experienced striker to their squad in the winter transfer. Without an experienced striker, it will be much more difficult for Real Madrid to consistently perform well in each match in the knockout rounds.

Indeed. Real Madrid is still stronger than PSG. It is not only about the bonding among the players, they also have good relationship with the coach. I almost have never heard about the bad issue between Ancelotti and the players. He is a smart coach and has a charismatic personality. This creates good atmosphere in Real Madrid squad. It is very different with PSG that we often heard that Mbappe and some players have bad relationships.

Yep. Real Madrid won all the matches in group stage, they played perfectly so far. But Real Madrid seems still have a little problem, they have no strong strikers. A strong striker is needed because he can make a difference in the match, and the team sometimes relies on the striker in scoring goals. However, Real Madrid still have productive attackers like Bellingham, Vinicius, and Rodrygo.

PSG got difficulty in some matches in group stage. They are even almost not qualified to the next round. Luckily, other teams in F also experienced the same thing. Well, PSG is quite lucky to qualify for the knock-out phase.

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Quote from: ShowOff on December 15, 2023, 02:54:23 PM

Categorizing Ten Hag as one of the worst coaches for Manchester United may not be accurate, but I don't think Ten Hag is one of the most successful. Ten Hag had an incredible season last season with Manchester United, as a result Ten Hag managed to get Manchester United through to the group stage of the Champions League this season. But not so in his second season, he failed to live up to many expectations and his team fell apart.

Until tomorrow and beyond, money doesn't guarantee everything is fine for the club. PSG has spent a lot of money to win the Champions League title, yet they still failed despite reaching the final a few seasons ago. Manchester United needed big changes including getting the club acquired by new investors, but that still failed when the Glazer family still refused to do so.

UCL competition is the top tournament in the world of European football. Manchester United exits the UEFA Champions League in a disgraceful act and this have become the regular routine for the Red Devils. They don't stand in good position to qualify for any significant spot, always relying on their main player's and this is crucially bad news. Erik Ten Hag have failed the fans and the club, he doesn't sits balance to take his club to the next level, he just have instructs his club on becoming a top one because everyone keen on waiting for the firing Red Devils in past decades.

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Quote from: ShowOff on December 15, 2023, 02:54:23 PM

Categorizing Ten Hag as one of the worst coaches for Manchester United may not be accurate, but I don't think Ten Hag is one of the most successful. Ten Hag had an incredible season last season with Manchester United, as a result Ten Hag managed to get Manchester United through to the group stage of the Champions League this season. But not so in his second season, he failed to live up to many expectations and his team fell apart.

Until tomorrow and beyond, money doesn't guarantee everything is fine for the club. PSG has spent a lot of money to win the Champions League title, yet they still failed despite reaching the final a few seasons ago. Manchester United needed big changes including getting the club acquired by new investors, but that still failed when the Glazer family still refused to do so.

If Erik Ten Hag is categorized as a bad coach then the previous season would not have been in the Champions League but this time it was a failure that he led his team, maybe you are right, there are divisions in the team so it is difficult for Man United to be solid again. I think Erik Ten Hag's philosophy is too strict and this is not comfortable for the players or anything else, this problem is not so detailed it will remain what is rumored we are quite sure there are divisions at his club now.

Maybe after Man United was acquired, things will change? However, this did not happen Glazer wanted a higher price and potential new investors did not want to buy a club that was too expensive, the same thing happened with Chelsea, who spent a lot of money investing in players, but in fact it did not meet the club owner's expectations.

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Quote from: Hvdv on December 15, 2023, 02:03:45 PM

In my opinion, Erik Ten Hag may be one of the worst coaches to ever come to Manchester United. I still don't understand how he can be in charge of the team. Don't they see that they were defeated at Old Trafford in their UCL group and finished last in the group? The money spent on transfers is very high and these inefficient players are purchased or the player cannot be productive. In this situation, I am surprised to see that he is still in charge of the team.

I read that this is only the fourth time that an England squad ended up being eliminated as the worst team on their group, this should show us how disappointing was their performance, especially in a group that when you look at it was not intimidating like Group F was, as such there should be no doubts that Manchester United is going through a very severe crisis, and while firing the coach is the easy way out, the performance of the team is so bad that those that take the decisions there may not have any other option but to pull the trigger and fire the coach anyway.

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