Topic: UFC 217: Bisping vs GSP Info and Betting Thread (Read 957 times)

@thejaytiesto. I reckon Michael Bisping will be announcing his retirement after Fight Night 122 whether he wins or loses. There is no other explanation why he is taking a fight this early especially after failing to defend his championship.

I also hope he wins. He is one of my favorite talkers in the sport.

Well we have to give credit to this man who is willing to take this fight in such a short notice and I guess he really wanted to redeem him self after his loss with GSP. He did well in his fight with GSP and I guess Bisping is aiming for a rematch. He tried his best but GSP is the best man for that fight.

And Bisping looks like has become a paycheck fighter over night, and just like that.  He's fighting again vs Gastelum on November 25 in replacement for Silva, who failed a drug test.  Lol.

He'll be retiring after he gets his fill.  Prolly by late 2019?

UFC Fight Night 122:  Bisping vs Gastelum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Bisping_vs._Gastelum

I don't know man I think GSP looked pretty good to me. It's been 2 years? since the latest fight, the guy is 36 and he was out of his natural weight range.

I agree that he would need to fight a top5 fighter to see what he can do. I would love to see GSP vs Khabib, I think it's a good match and both are similar in frame and weight. If GSP ruined Khabib's undefeated record it would be huge. But I would rather see Conor vs Khabib, but im sure Conor will fight Tony first.

Conor can make fucktons of money doing the whole Tony-Khabib-3rd rematch with Nate and even throw in a fight with Woodley that would be epic too.

I don't know man I think GSP looked pretty good to me. It's been 2 years? since the latest fight, the guy is 36 and he was out of his natural weight range.

I agree that he would need to fight a top5 fighter to see what he can do. I would love to see GSP vs Khabib, I think it's a good match and both are similar in frame and weight. If GSP ruined Khabib's undefeated record it would be huge. But I would rather see Conor vs Khabib, but im sure Conor will fight Tony first.

Conor can make fucktons of money doing the whole Tony-Khabib-3rd rematch with Nate and even throw in a fight with Woodley that would be epic too.

Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

Is it just me, or does anybody else think that GSP's come back was 'meh'?  It looks like another publicity stunt just to draw a large crowd.  I would rather watch Whitaker vs Bisping.

And who else thinks GSP will vacate the MW belt?  Don't think he'll defend it.

What an event! All champions are defeated in a night!

Michael Bisping was being too way arrogant and with his trash talks, St. Pierre made him eat all his words. But respect with both fighters  a great display of sportsmanship, in the end Bisping shows a class even he's defeated. Compared to Garbrandt with no class, very arrogant till the end, I'll spend money to watch this fight again. I just remember the fight is similar  to Holmes vs Rousey.

My thoughts exactly.

Namajumas is showing maturity and wisdom in the way she carries herself. Joanna's antics appear more immature in contrast. I have Namajunas winning the talking battle. What happens in the cage can often be an entirely different story, though. There have been many fights where one person dominated in the talking and promotion, then got KO'ed in the 1st round of the actual fight.

One point no one is touching upon is, one of Thug Rose Namajunas' training partners is Valentina Shevchenko. Joanna and Shevchenko have fought 2-3 times in muay thai kickboxing and Shevchenko beat Joanna every single time. Shevchenko could know Joanna's game very well and be able to teach Rose counters that might allow her to win. That theory is farfetched, Joanna's technique has changed a lot since she first came to MMA. Still it is possible that having Shevchenko as a sparring partner, someone who already beat Joanna 3 times in kickboxing, could give Rose an advantage.

Cody vs TJ is similar. TJ predicted Cody's team would say a lot of bad things about TJ during fight week & TJ turned out to be right. TJ might be a little better spoken than Cody in the talking part of things. No one's giving TJ a chance but the fight could be a lot closer than many realize.

Bisping vs GSP also. Bisping is probably winning the talking part of things. While GSP looks very relaxed and confident.

Its possible we'll see that talking doesn't matter at all, the only thing that matters is what happens in the cage. Or maybe it will show that the talking does matter and can serve as a valid indication of how the fight will go.

WHAT A CARD! all are the new champion.

Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

Does anybody else think Namajunas can win vs JJ?  I think she has a better chance than the 5.74 odds Nitrogen has given her.  I also think she has the edge mentally.  JJ could be leveling herself with all the psychological warfare she's doing against a person who just sees thru her.

Here are the weigh ins.  Enjoy. 

UFC 217: Official Weigh-in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmTR_mx9-EE

So with Freddie Roach on Georges St Pierre's corner does that change the odds? I am siding with Michael Bisping on this fight but after I saw a video clip Boxings hall of Famer Freddie Roach I think GSP has a bigger chance to to win this fight as Freddie Roach is helping him with his striking skills. GSPs ground game is good but if he adds striking to his arsenal, he may disappoint Bisping this coming Saturday.

I've seen Freddie Roach make Mike Tyson a changed Boxer after training him. Without Roach, Tyson rely more on his power punches but after Roach stepped in the training camp, Tyson is ducking punches, moves faster and his punch is more precise.

@krach. In your article you mentioned that Chael Sonnen and Dan Henderson are probably the strongest wrestlers Michael has faced in the octagon. How does George's wrestling to both of them and what can he do to bring something new in this fight to surprise Michael?

Got a feeling Bisping is going to lose this one, he’s already had 7 losses in his career & he’s only champion because the best guys are past their peak.

Did anyone see that Khabib Nurmagomedov will fight Edson Barboza in UFC217? did anyone get dropped and got replaced with these guys or there were free spots for this fight?

This fight is huge, I want to see it more than Bisping vs GSP to be honest. Khabib is undefeated and I think will be the next fight for Conor after Tony Ferguson. I would like to see an undefeated Khabib fight Conor so I hope he wins. Also noticed how short Khabib's reach is. 70 inch reach for a 5'11 guy is pretty short. Barboza got 75 reach at 5'10'' and Conor got 74 reach at 5'9''. I guess Khabib is not going to try to throw hands and just constantly go for the takedown.

@krach. In your article you mentioned that Chael Sonnen and Dan Henderson are probably the strongest wrestlers Michael has faced in the octagon. How does George's wrestling to both of them and what can he do to bring something new in this fight to surprise Michael?

185 lbs.: Gegard Mousasi (42-6-2) vs. Alexander Shlemenko (56-9, 1 NC)

It’s staggering to consider that the two competitors in Friday’s main event have well over 100 professional fights between them combined. It’s even more staggering when you consider their respective ages: Mousasi is only 32 and Shlemenko is 33. It’s amazing just how indestructible these two men seem to be, especially given neither one has lost in five straight fights. The only thing that dogs either of these men is the fact Shlemenko failed a drug test, so some might wonder if any of his other performances up to that point were chemically enhanced. Since he tested clean before and after his dominant Bellator 162 win it may be his slate is now clean.

There’s a lot to prove for both men despite their recent win streaks. Only one of Shlemenko’s five wins came in a fight outside of Russia, so it’s hard to believe “Storm” Shlemenko didn’t benefit from some favorable booking via M-1 Challenge. Mousasi has an axe to grind after obliterating one top Middleweight after another via knockout from Vitor Belfort to Chris Weidman, yet despite his dominance he felt he was “getting screwed” on being paid what he was worth. That’s why when push came to shove and his contract ran out Mousasi signed a six fight deal with Bellator so he could show everybody that he deserves the money AND the main event spot.
Who takes advantage of the spotlight in Uncasville to further their agenda and potentially work toward a Middleweight title shot against Rafael Carvalho? Both men are knockout artists, with Shlemenko earning 31 in 56 wins (55%) and Mousasi earning 23 in 42 wins (also 55%). That suggests a coin flip in a striking exchange UNTIL you look at their size. Mousasi stands 6’2” and sports a 76” reach, while Shlemenko is 5’11” with a 71” reach. While Shlemenko was fed suitable opponents for his style including in his Bellator 162 return, Mousasi was facing submission artists like Thales Leites and men who had previously beaten him like Uriah Hall.
A fight is a fight and a win is a win but from where I stand Mousasi has faced and proven himself against much better competition. A failure here would vindicate UFC not matching Bellator’s offer to keep him and I can’t imagine more powerful motivation to do well. What motivates Shlemenko? Maybe he wants the title back at some point, but if he doesn’t earn a title shot, he can go home and get more fights from M-1 Challenge from now until whenever he retires.

Final prediction: Gegard Mousasi wins by technical knockout in the second round

155 lbs.: Ryan Quinn (13-7-1) vs. Marcus Surin (4-0)

Originally “Irish Bad Boy” Brennan Ward was looking for a quick rebound fight after being submitted at Bellator 182 in August, but an expected Welterweight tilt with “Caveman” David Rickels will have to wait as Ward withdrew from this card late due to injury. As a result a brand new fight has been bumped to the main card featuring both a familiar Bellator fight and a new prospect making his promotional debut on Friday.

Ryan Quinn’s tenure goes all the way back to Bellator 15 in 2010, where he picked up his first promotional win by unanimous decision against Matt Lee. Quinn had a mixed record outside of the promotion but inside of it he was 7-0 until he ran into Saad Awad in April. Quinn is an American Top Team veteran with a BJJ black belt, holding four wins by submission, but his opponent Surin is a knockout artist with 50% of fights in his young career leaving opponents flat. When the hard handed Awad tagged Quinn he repeatedly shot for takedowns and got swept. Surin won’t even give him that chance.
Final prediction: Marcus Surin wins by knockout in the second round

170 lbs.: Neiman Gracie (6-0) vs. Zak Bucia (18-8)

The name Gracie carries high expectations, expectations that decorated jiu-jitsu medalist Neiman Gracie has thus far managed to live up to. All but one of his six MMA wins have ended by submission, and a typical bout doesn’t get past the halfway point of the second round. He faces an opponent in Zak Bucia who obviously has more pro MMA experience. Somehow I don’t think any of that is going to matter once Gracie takes him to the ground. I’ve been watching him do this for four years now and he’s as good as billed so unless Bucia starts quick and lights him up standing it will go badly for him.

Final prediction: Neiman Gracie wins via rear naked choke in round one

125 lbs.: Heather Hardy (1-0) vs. Kristina Williams (0-0)

I don’t think we need to expound upon this one for very long. Although their MMA records suggest a nearly equal amount of inexperience it couldn’t be further from the truth. Hardy is an undefeated pro boxer with a 20-0 record nicknamed “The Heat.” She showed exactly what kind of heat she can bring to mixed martial arts by beating Alice Yauger at Bellator 180, and I expect her to showcase more of the same against a fighter ill equipped to make a debut against such a seasoned striking veteran.

Final prediction: Heather Hardy finishes Williams with strikes in round one

125 lbs.: Ana Julaton (2-2) vs. Lisa Blaine (1-0)

Don’t let Ana Julaton’s record fool you. Even though her mixed martial arts line may be middling, the boxer turned MMA fighter compiled a 14-4-1 record in the ring before transitioning to the cage, winning the Women's WBO Super Bantamweight and IBA Super Bantamweight titles in the process. Her hand speed has earned her the nickname “Hurricane,” but the “Hurricane” must face the “Insane” Lisa Blaine on Friday. Even though Blaine only has one pro fight, she beat Tammy Worrick by TKO at 2:23 of the second round, so her hands might be “alright.” It may be a theme here for the Flyweights but I’ve got to pick the boxer with the better striking experience here.

Final prediction: Ana Julaton finishes Lisa Blaine by knockout in the second round
That’s a wrap!

https://www.mmamania.com/2017/10/19/16341524/bellator-185-predictions-preview-mousasi-vs-shlemenko-spike-tv-mma

Its going to be an interesting fight though to see whether gsp still has it takes to take the belt and shut bisping's mouth. The thing is mot all greats who went back after retirement had a successful run. I've been a log fan though of gsp and i'm hoping this run of his becomes at least worth while.

This is yet another big card with some interesting fights and it is back to Madison Square Garden,return of GSP is the focal point and i would like to see him face McGregor after this fight,Bisping is a tough opponent and it is really interesting to see whether we will see Anderson and GSP too as that was one fight i was looking for a very long time and now Anderson is not in his prime yet it is interesting to see that encounter.
Will make my predicts one week before the fight night.

There is also Bellator 185 on october 20th.



And Donald Cerrone vs Darren Till in Poland on october 21st.



The UFC card ^ on the 21st is live around 6-8 hours earlier than normal due to it being in Poland.

Not certain about Bisping vs GSP. That could be a tough card to call. There could be many close fights and split decisions that could go either way.

Johny Hendricks is looking good as he's training at JacksonWink and seems to have renewed his competitive drive. Ion Cutelaba could be a big favorite as his opponent is a relative unknown. Other than that, a lot of the other fights could be very competitive. Hard to pick a winner in many of them.

This is yet another big card with some interesting fights and it is back to Madison Square Garden,return of GSP is the focal point and i would like to see him face McGregor after this fight,Bisping is a tough opponent and it is really interesting to see whether we will see Anderson and GSP too as that was one fight i was looking for a very long time and now Anderson is not in his prime yet it is interesting to see that encounter.
Will make my predicts one week before the fight night.

Oh cool.  I didn't realize this is gonna be featuring Coach Zahabi and Tristar.  Thanks for pointing that out. 

I'm honestly more intrigued with Garbrandt vs Dillashaw than the main event.  Dillashaw's style is almost a carbon copy of Cruz's but with the KO power.  And this is a grudge match between the two since they have some history, with Dillashaw being the 'snake' for leaving Team Alpha Male and with Garbrandt being the Faber loyalist.

Let's see how the champ nullify's the challenger.

 

Michael Bisping is at 2.09 at Nitrogen.  What do guys think?  Should I jump all over that or wait for the GSP fan boys to place their bets making the Bisping line go higher?

I've been waiting for this return for a long time now. Hopefully he gets the bashful bisping inhis place though its arguable that it will be a walk in the park as he probably won't be the same when he was in his prime. Hyped up for this though

Oh cool.  I didn't realize this is gonna be featuring Coach Zahabi and Tristar.  Thanks for pointing that out. 

I'm honestly more intrigued with Garbrandt vs Dillashaw than the main event.  Dillashaw's style is almost a carbon copy of Cruz's but with the KO power.  And this is a grudge match between the two since they have some history, with Dillashaw being the 'snake' for leaving Team Alpha Male and with Garbrandt being the Faber loyalist.

Let's see how the champ nullify's the challenger.