UFC 220: Miocic vs Ngannou Info and Prediction Thread

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For all you Ngannou fans out there, watch this. Lol.

I found this hilarious vid about Miocic's opponents' comments before and after their bouts with the HW champ. Watch the Overeem part... And the Ngannou part. Lmao!

Enjoy. Grin

Stipe Miocic Opponents Before and After Fights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWDxjJdbDV0

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 27, 2018, 12:25:39 AM

@eaLiTy. Stipe versus Daniel Cormier was already announced by the UFC yesterday hehehe. The fight will be for UFC 226 coming on July 2018.

I reckon that Dana White is trying to create one of the biggest fight cards in history. Some MMA news sites are already saying that Tyrone Woodley versus GSP and Demetrious Johnson versus T.J. Dillashaw are on as comain events.

That is incredible to be frank,Daniel Cormier was playing down the option of going up to heavy weight even though Dana White was willing to offer that super fight and all of a sudden it all changed.I think there are some heat going on in the AKA gym,Luke Rockhold moved his camp to Roufusport and with the recent tweet of Cain Velasquez,either way i hope if Cormier wins he will retire and vacate the belt ,GSP wont be back for at least a year as he is suffering from diverticulitis but it looks like we will be having Amanda Nunes Vs Cyborg ,imagine a card filled with super fights. Cheesy

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on January 27, 2018, 02:44:30 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on January 23, 2018, 10:26:37 AM

To be fair with @SaShiRaJaVu, that's how he calls the game, and most members who have replied here get it wrong as well.
They really thought that Ngannou will win the fight easily because he is a big puncher.

That's why we call it predictions, because we really don't know what will be the outcome of the fight. If you didn't get the winner, it doesn't mean that your prediction or any one's prediction sucks. I'm just sayin.

I made my bet on Miocic to win this fight,i am watching MMA for quite some time and Ngannou had a really good story which is compelling and he surely made the promotion exciting, in my opinion he defeated Overeem but what was his credential other than a faded Andrei Arlovski,no one,he never faced any top five heavyweights and that is not the case with Miocic and turn back to the first page ,to see what my prediction was. Wink

I think a smart bet my friend because all the attention was being heaped onto the African fighter however pure power and big punching can only take you so far.

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 23, 2018, 10:26:37 AM

To be fair with @SaShiRaJaVu, that's how he calls the game, and most members who have replied here get it wrong as well.
They really thought that Ngannou will win the fight easily because he is a big puncher.

That's why we call it predictions, because we really don't know what will be the outcome of the fight. If you didn't get the winner, it doesn't mean that your prediction or any one's prediction sucks. I'm just sayin.

I made my bet on Miocic to win this fight,i am watching MMA for quite some time and Ngannou had a really good story which is compelling and he surely made the promotion exciting, in my opinion he defeated Overeem but what was his credential other than a faded Andrei Arlovski,no one,he never faced any top five heavyweights and that is not the case with Miocic and turn back to the first page ,to see what my prediction was. Wink

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 24, 2018, 07:25:30 PM

Quote from: thejaytiesto on January 24, 2018, 11:20:33 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 23, 2018, 08:21:55 PM

Quote from: noobfromPH on January 22, 2018, 10:18:08 PM

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@SaShiRaJaVu. There will be no ground game in this fight because both fighters will be busy trying to knock out each other. Also, trying to change level and get a takedown would be taking a big risk for both because it would take a lot of energy considering their size and weight.

In any case, the fight will be over in under 1.5 rounds with Francis Ngannou's hands raised. This is the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

seriously? is that how you predict fights? we all know that Ngannou knockout overeem in their fight however miocic is different from overeem and a different fighter. miocic used different techniques in their last fight. Ngannou didn't realize that miocic used ground and pound to take points from him. the fight was very thrilling because either one of the fighter will be KO'd. that is a heavy weight match; everybody is expecting a KO. though the game is very entertaining, predictions sucks.

Both of their past fights ended in the 1st round. The sportsbook predicted the fight would end in under 1.5 rounds, when the gave their odds of -150 to -200, depending on the site. Everyone else expected it to end early, including the experts.

@thejaytiesto. But there was nothing defensive in Stipe's performance however.

Stipe drained Ngannou's energy after the 3rd round by using his weight mostly as Ngannou tried to get him off his back but he couldn't because his big muscles were completely depleted, then he just ended him with repeated short range punches as the guy couldn't even walk anymore.

Draining energy like that is a defensive approach, just like what casuals call "hugging" in boxing. If he wasn't defensive he would have gone for the KO but he was cautious.

I do not see it that way. It was Francis Ngannou who was on the defensive because he gave his back to Stipe. They were wrestling and not boxing. It was also Stipe who kept trying to take his opponent down, again an offensive move.

MMA and boxing are 2 different types of fighting.

Well it showed that there's still a lot to be done with ngannou if he wants to be ufc champion. Miocic showed how to effectively beat a hard puncher and i think it's not that difficult to see that he stuck to his gameplan all throughout the fight. Mma has evolved largely now and ngannou looked like a one dimension fighter. Once his strikes were taken away, it was evident that miocic had the fight.

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@eaLiTy. Stipe versus Daniel Cormier was already announced by the UFC yesterday hehehe. The fight will be for UFC 226 coming on July 2018.

I reckon that Dana White is trying to create one of the biggest fight cards in history. Some MMA news sites are already saying that Tyrone Woodley versus GSP and Demetrious Johnson versus T.J. Dillashaw are on as comain events.

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@bbc.reporter i called for Stipe to win the fight,the hype was really good but all the fighters Ngannou defeated ,Stipe did that too and Stipe is a golden glove boxing champion and Ngannou is all about power and he wont last that much in a boxing ring with that style ,but i never expected Ngannou to gas out in the first two minutes of the fight Cheesy

,next i would like to see him face Daniel Cormier or Cain Velasquez to establish himself as the greatest heavyweight of all time.

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on January 24, 2018, 11:20:33 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 23, 2018, 08:21:55 PM

Quote from: noobfromPH on January 22, 2018, 10:18:08 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 14, 2018, 08:23:39 PM

@SaShiRaJaVu. There will be no ground game in this fight because both fighters will be busy trying to knock out each other. Also, trying to change level and get a takedown would be taking a big risk for both because it would take a lot of energy considering their size and weight.

In any case, the fight will be over in under 1.5 rounds with Francis Ngannou's hands raised. This is the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

seriously? is that how you predict fights? we all know that Ngannou knockout overeem in their fight however miocic is different from overeem and a different fighter. miocic used different techniques in their last fight. Ngannou didn't realize that miocic used ground and pound to take points from him. the fight was very thrilling because either one of the fighter will be KO'd. that is a heavy weight match; everybody is expecting a KO. though the game is very entertaining, predictions sucks.

Both of their past fights ended in the 1st round. The sportsbook predicted the fight would end in under 1.5 rounds, when the gave their odds of -150 to -200, depending on the site. Everyone else expected it to end early, including the experts.

@thejaytiesto. But there was nothing defensive in Stipe's performance however.

Stipe drained Ngannou's energy after the 3rd round by using his weight mostly as Ngannou tried to get him off his back but he couldn't because his big muscles were completely depleted, then he just ended him with repeated short range punches as the guy couldn't even walk anymore.

Draining energy like that is a defensive approach, just like what casuals call "hugging" in boxing. If he wasn't defensive he would have gone for the KO but he was cautious.

I do not see it that way. It was Francis Ngannou who was on the defensive because he gave his back to Stipe. They were wrestling and not boxing. It was also Stipe who kept trying to take his opponent down, again an offensive move.

MMA and boxing are 2 different types of fighting.

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on January 24, 2018, 11:20:33 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 23, 2018, 08:21:55 PM

Quote from: noobfromPH on January 22, 2018, 10:18:08 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 14, 2018, 08:23:39 PM

@SaShiRaJaVu. There will be no ground game in this fight because both fighters will be busy trying to knock out each other. Also, trying to change level and get a takedown would be taking a big risk for both because it would take a lot of energy considering their size and weight.

In any case, the fight will be over in under 1.5 rounds with Francis Ngannou's hands raised. This is the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

seriously? is that how you predict fights? we all know that Ngannou knockout overeem in their fight however miocic is different from overeem and a different fighter. miocic used different techniques in their last fight. Ngannou didn't realize that miocic used ground and pound to take points from him. the fight was very thrilling because either one of the fighter will be KO'd. that is a heavy weight match; everybody is expecting a KO. though the game is very entertaining, predictions sucks.

Both of their past fights ended in the 1st round. The sportsbook predicted the fight would end in under 1.5 rounds, when the gave their odds of -150 to -200, depending on the site. Everyone else expected it to end early, including the experts.

@thejaytiesto. But there was nothing defensive in Stipe's performance however.

Stipe drained Ngannou's energy after the 3rd round by using his weight mostly as Ngannou tried to get him off his back but he couldn't because his big muscles were completely depleted, then he just ended him with repeated short range punches as the guy couldn't even walk anymore.

Draining energy like that is a defensive approach, just like what casuals call "hugging" in boxing. If he wasn't defensive he would have gone for the KO but he was cautious.

You're being generous to Ngannou. He was finished physically be the end of the first.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 23, 2018, 08:21:55 PM

Quote from: noobfromPH on January 22, 2018, 10:18:08 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 14, 2018, 08:23:39 PM

@SaShiRaJaVu. There will be no ground game in this fight because both fighters will be busy trying to knock out each other. Also, trying to change level and get a takedown would be taking a big risk for both because it would take a lot of energy considering their size and weight.

In any case, the fight will be over in under 1.5 rounds with Francis Ngannou's hands raised. This is the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

seriously? is that how you predict fights? we all know that Ngannou knockout overeem in their fight however miocic is different from overeem and a different fighter. miocic used different techniques in their last fight. Ngannou didn't realize that miocic used ground and pound to take points from him. the fight was very thrilling because either one of the fighter will be KO'd. that is a heavy weight match; everybody is expecting a KO. though the game is very entertaining, predictions sucks.

Both of their past fights ended in the 1st round. The sportsbook predicted the fight would end in under 1.5 rounds, when the gave their odds of -150 to -200, depending on the site. Everyone else expected it to end early, including the experts.

@thejaytiesto. But there was nothing defensive in Stipe's performance however.

Stipe drained Ngannou's energy after the 3rd round by using his weight mostly as Ngannou tried to get him off his back but he couldn't because his big muscles were completely depleted, then he just ended him with repeated short range punches as the guy couldn't even walk anymore.

Draining energy like that is a defensive approach, just like what casuals call "hugging" in boxing. If he wasn't defensive he would have gone for the KO but he was cautious.

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Quote from: noobfromPH on January 22, 2018, 10:18:08 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 14, 2018, 08:23:39 PM

@SaShiRaJaVu. There will be no ground game in this fight because both fighters will be busy trying to knock out each other. Also, trying to change level and get a takedown would be taking a big risk for both because it would take a lot of energy considering their size and weight.

In any case, the fight will be over in under 1.5 rounds with Francis Ngannou's hands raised. This is the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

seriously? is that how you predict fights? we all know that Ngannou knockout overeem in their fight however miocic is different from overeem and a different fighter. miocic used different techniques in their last fight. Ngannou didn't realize that miocic used ground and pound to take points from him. the fight was very thrilling because either one of the fighter will be KO'd. that is a heavy weight match; everybody is expecting a KO. though the game is very entertaining, predictions sucks.

Both of their past fights ended in the 1st round. The sportsbook predicted the fight would end in under 1.5 rounds, when the gave their odds of -150 to -200, depending on the site. Everyone else expected it to end early, including the experts.

@thejaytiesto. But there was nothing defensive in Stipe's performance however.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 22, 2018, 08:27:31 PM

Those fans must be the casuals who only want to see big knockouts and action. Stipe's performance was one of the best I have seen in MMA. It was an example of how a martial artist can defeat a stronger opponent by using good technique, skill and fight IQ.

Im a casual UFC fan as in I only watch the big title fights or fights in which I know who the guys are, but I am not a casual boxing fan so I know how the fight game works which means I understand why Miocic didn't want to do anything stupid. It's like when casual boxing fans trashed Mayweather in being "too defensive", as if being too defensive against world class boxers was easy and not an art in itself, and you don't win 50 fights with 0 loses by being "too defensive" only.

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Quote from: noobfromPH on January 22, 2018, 10:18:08 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 14, 2018, 08:23:39 PM

@SaShiRaJaVu. There will be no ground game in this fight because both fighters will be busy trying to knock out each other. Also, trying to change level and get a takedown would be taking a big risk for both because it would take a lot of energy considering their size and weight.

In any case, the fight will be over in under 1.5 rounds with Francis Ngannou's hands raised. This is the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

seriously? is that how you predict fights? we all know that Ngannou knockout overeem in their fight however miocic is different from overeem and a different fighter. miocic used different techniques in their last fight. Ngannou didn't realize that miocic used ground and pound to take points from him. the fight was very thrilling because either one of the fighter will be KO'd. that is a heavy weight match; everybody is expecting a KO. though the game is very entertaining, predictions sucks.

To be fair with @SaShiRaJaVu, that's how he calls the game, and most members who have replied here get it wrong as well.
They really thought that Ngannou will win the fight easily because he is a big puncher.

That's why we call it predictions, because we really don't know what will be the outcome of the fight. If you didn't get the winner, it doesn't mean that your prediction or any one's prediction sucks. I'm just sayin.

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Quote from: noobfromPH on January 22, 2018, 10:18:08 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 14, 2018, 08:23:39 PM

@SaShiRaJaVu. There will be no ground game in this fight because both fighters will be busy trying to knock out each other. Also, trying to change level and get a takedown would be taking a big risk for both because it would take a lot of energy considering their size and weight.

In any case, the fight will be over in under 1.5 rounds with Francis Ngannou's hands raised. This is the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

seriously? is that how you predict fights? we all know that Ngannou knockout overeem in their fight however miocic is different from overeem and a different fighter. miocic used different techniques in their last fight. Ngannou didn't realize that miocic used ground and pound to take points from him. the fight was very thrilling because either one of the fighter will be KO'd. that is a heavy weight match; everybody is expecting a KO. though the game is very entertaining, predictions sucks.

Francis Ngannou underestimated Stipe, he really thought that he can bully anyone with his KO punch. Unfortunately, Stipe was really pumped up for this fight, because Dana and the management has somewhat "disrespect" him as champion. The Organization is building Francis Ngannou as the next big thing. But Stipe has other plans though. And the blue print to defeat a guy like Francis is not a secret. Ground and pound, ragdolled him. tire him and then tire him more. Grin

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 14, 2018, 08:23:39 PM

@SaShiRaJaVu. There will be no ground game in this fight because both fighters will be busy trying to knock out each other. Also, trying to change level and get a takedown would be taking a big risk for both because it would take a lot of energy considering their size and weight.

In any case, the fight will be over in under 1.5 rounds with Francis Ngannou's hands raised. This is the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

seriously? is that how you predict fights? we all know that Ngannou knockout overeem in their fight however miocic is different from overeem and a different fighter. miocic used different techniques in their last fight. Ngannou didn't realize that miocic used ground and pound to take points from him. the fight was very thrilling because either one of the fighter will be KO'd. that is a heavy weight match; everybody is expecting a KO. though the game is very entertaining, predictions sucks.

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Those fans must be the casuals who only want to see big knockouts and action. Stipe's performance was one of the best I have seen in MMA. It was an example of how a martial artist can defeat a stronger opponent by using good technique, skill and fight IQ.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on January 22, 2018, 12:30:48 PM

Quote from: thejaytiesto on January 22, 2018, 07:52:25 AM

Ngannou has no ground game.

...and Miocic took advantage of that and Ngannou admitted that he underestimated Miocic.
Looking at some comments in FB, some claims they are not entertained with the main event since after the 3rd round, all Miocic did was punch, hug and run repeat and there are times he (Miocic) can finish the fight but did not make a follow up and played safe. If I am in Miocics shoes, I would do the same, I don't care if fans will not be entertained, I am there to fight and make sure I walk home on my 2 feet and not on a stretcher.

Fuck those fans, those are just casuals, who didn't know about anything in the art of fighting.

Although Ngannou looks very tired and can be taken out anytime, he is still dangerous that's why Miocic was a little hesitant. He don't want to get hit by a "Hail Mary" and jeopardized the fight, its already in the bag for him.

Velasquez vs Miocic next, DC doesn't want to fight Miocic and campaign at HW because Cain will make a comeback.

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on January 22, 2018, 07:52:25 AM

Ngannou has no ground game.

...and Miocic took advantage of that and Ngannou admitted that he underestimated Miocic.
Looking at some comments in FB, some claims they are not entertained with the main event since after the 3rd round, all Miocic did was punch, hug and run repeat and there are times he (Miocic) can finish the fight but did not make a follow up and played safe. If I am in Miocics shoes, I would do the same, I don't care if fans will not be entertained, I am there to fight and make sure I walk home on my 2 feet and not on a stretcher.

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I never doubted Cormier winning, he is a world class fighter, Olympian with several gold medals... it's another level. There's no point for him to keep fighting, Jon Jones was the only guy that could match him and he is out indefinitely because of the drug tests.

Ngannou has no ground game.

UFC 221 has no big stars that I can identify other than Mark Hunt, will not stay awake to watch it live, as a casual UFC fan I have no idea about these guys so will not bet anything.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on January 21, 2018, 11:18:40 AM

Last night I am itching to place a bet on Miocic when saw the odds and I should have done so. Miocic looks pissed at Dana White and grabbed the belt before Dana strapped the belt to Miocic's waist. UFC hyped up Ngannou and make him look like the next cash cow of UFC, but Ngannou's power is no match with the fight plan of Miocic.

When Dana White was interviewed by Fox Sport, Dana mentioned something about Ngannou going to France for a vacation and that 2 weeks prior to the fight. Who would go on a vacation 2 weeks before a main event. But Nganou is graceful at defeat and accepted what happened to him tonight.

There are 2 guys right now that is in line for the next match of Miocic, Cain Velasquez and Daniel Cormier. But UFC will ahve 2 problems to think of before that book either of the two. cain Velasquez has gone surgery after surgery and his body may not be able to deliver what is being expected for him to do. Daniel Cormier needs to step up as he is currently at Light Heavyweight.

Stipe felt he was disprespected by Dana White and the UFC. Did you see that he moved the Monster energy drink can away from him during his press conference? That was their sponsor and that should always be visible to the audience. Stipe wittingly moved the can away to show his aversion to the UFC as an organization, I reckon.

Also, Francis Ngannou has shown that he has more to learn about the game. I was so mistaken to think that he was the next great champion in the UFC.

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Quote from: AnotherBTCNoob on January 21, 2018, 12:01:30 PM

For all his punching power and strength, Ngannou was truly destroyed last night. He looked exhausted after 3 minutes of the fight. Miocic...a masterclass.

All of the hype just gassed out in the first few minutes and Stepie Miocic came with a good game plan as expected and fought his heart out,one thing i am impressed is that Miocic could not stop Ngannaou even though he was tired even in the first round,Cormier made a statement with the performance by knocking out no time in no time Grin

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Anyone interested in the Daniel Cormier vs. Volkan Oezdemir fight? I am going to bet on Volkan and I will skip the Miocic vs Ngannou fight. I have checked a few gambling sites, and many of them have under-rated Volkan. I watched his fights against Misha Cirkunov (UFC Fight Night 109) and Jimi Manuwa (UFC 214). He was completely awesome.

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Volkan Oezdemir is a sparring partner of Anthony "Rumble" Johnson. Rumble says he hit Volkan with full power punches to the chin and Volkan eats them without issue. Rumble also said Volkan trains very hard. What makes it a tough match up to predict is we've never seen Volkan be tested against a great wrestler like Daniel Cormier.

That said, Volkans hands are deadly weapons and a title fight is 5 rounds. He definitely has a "puncher's chance" or finding DC's chin and finishing the fight.

DC has had issues making weight @ 205. There's a question mark as to whether he solved that problem. We might have seen DC's weight cutting issues in his last fight with Jon Jones. If you watch the fight, it looked like DC was kind of sleep walking in the cage. He wasn't fully there. That weight cutting deficit could be enough to give Vokan what he needs to win the fight.

I might make a small parlay with Volkan and a few favorites. +400 or +500 is a decent play when it hits.

It would suck if DC loses this one. I really want to see Cormier vs Bones 3 eventually... it would be an epic trilogy, and just hope Bones doesn't fuck up again, can you imagine? it would be the greatest scam ever in the UFC, but I would still enjoy it. There's too much money involved for it not to happen, but even if Dana White would allow Bones to fight again a million times after testing positive, at some point age will ruin the match so it has to happen rather soon.

My prediction went on pretty smoothly. Cormier's age and shorter reach was not a problem and he kicked ass easily, made a cool 200 bucks on that bet.

Didn't bet on Miocic's win but could have won too. I gave Ngannou a chance for an early KO but didn't happen.

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For all his punching power and strength, Ngannou was truly destroyed last night. He looked exhausted after 3 minutes of the fight. Miocic...a masterclass.

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Last night I am itching to place a bet on Miocic when saw the odds and I should have done so. Miocic looks pissed at Dana White and grabbed the belt before Dana strapped the belt to Miocic's waist. UFC hyped up Ngannou and make him look like the next cash cow of UFC, but Ngannou's power is no match with the fight plan of Miocic.

When Dana White was interviewed by Fox Sport, Dana mentioned something about Ngannou going to France for a vacation and that 2 weeks prior to the fight. Who would go on a vacation 2 weeks before a main event. But Nganou is graceful at defeat and accepted what happened to him tonight.

There are 2 guys right now that is in line for the next match of Miocic, Cain Velasquez and Daniel Cormier. But UFC will ahve 2 problems to think of before that book either of the two. cain Velasquez has gone surgery after surgery and his body may not be able to deliver what is being expected for him to do. Daniel Cormier needs to step up as he is currently at Light Heavyweight.

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WTF? How come he is the underdog?

It's this some sort of promoting or hyping this fight? Although Francis Ngannou KO Overeem, and has a KO power, but we all know that Miocic is the champ and has face tougher opponents in the past and also on a roll of his own.

Let's see, I leaning towards Miocic and I'm sure that he will be ready and have a better plans on how to avoid the KO punches on Francis Ngannou, or maybe takes him to the ground.

This is what I'm talking about!!!!

That's why I found it surprising that he is the underdog. Francis has only one thing to offer, his one KO punch.

All judges scored 50-44 for Stipe, Good win and "still" the HW champ.

And thank you, time to withdraw my winnings... Grin

Yup. Miocic owned Ngannou's soul. I guess that's the end of all the hype for him then? Lol. I honestly almost bought into it. The UFC does a great job in marketing events and some fighters. They seem to have tried to make us think that Ngannou was some sort of second coming. Lol.

Anyway, who's next for the champ? Cain Velasquez? I think Velasquez and Ngannou should fight for dibs for the title shot imo...

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 21, 2018, 01:46:03 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on January 09, 2018, 06:34:11 AM

WTF? How come he is the underdog?

It's this some sort of promoting or hyping this fight? Although Francis Ngannou KO Overeem, and has a KO power, but we all know that Miocic is the champ and has face tougher opponents in the past and also on a roll of his own.

Let's see, I leaning towards Miocic and I'm sure that he will be ready and have a better plans on how to avoid the KO punches on Francis Ngannou, or maybe takes him to the ground.

This is what I'm talking about!!!!

That's why I found it surprising that he is the underdog. Francis has only one thing to offer, his one KO punch.

All judges scored 50-44 for Stipe, Good win and "still" the HW champ.

And thank you, time to withdraw my winnings... Grin

It was strange seeing Stipe Miocic win because he didn't look the more confident of the two while going into this fight.
I did not see the fight as I was out with the family for the evening but from the sounds of it the match went the full amount of rounds since it was determined by the judges score cards for a decision.
Best man won I guess. Undecided

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 09, 2018, 06:34:11 AM

WTF? How come he is the underdog?

It's this some sort of promoting or hyping this fight? Although Francis Ngannou KO Overeem, and has a KO power, but we all know that Miocic is the champ and has face tougher opponents in the past and also on a roll of his own.

Let's see, I leaning towards Miocic and I'm sure that he will be ready and have a better plans on how to avoid the KO punches on Francis Ngannou, or maybe takes him to the ground.

This is what I'm talking about!!!!

That's why I found it surprising that he is the underdog. Francis has only one thing to offer, his one KO punch.

All judges scored 50-44 for Stipe, Good win and "still" the HW champ.

And thank you, time to withdraw my winnings... Grin

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 20, 2018, 12:35:24 PM

^ Speaking of odds, this is not about UFC 220, but have you guys checked the lines on Ferguson vs Khabib? It's interesting, Ferguson is a 2 to 1 underdog. I think that's way lower than what the line was when they were slated to fight at 206. The line then was closer to a coin flip...? Does anyone remember?

yeah i understood the lines changed dramatically after Ferguson and Khabib's last matches where Kevin Lee was able to take down Ferguson quite easily and the common sense says that if khabib gets hold of you there is no turning back,you will get smacked in faced the entire round and there is no getting back and that fight showed that Ferguson can be taken down and imagine what Khabib will do if he gets hold of you and so is the reason the lines are way different now

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my pics Stipe Miocic and Volkan Oezdemir

I think Stipe is a good pick but i do not want to see Oezdemir winning as i will be loosing a hell lot of money with my parlay i wagged Grin

,i really do think that Cormier is under estimating Volkan's power and i am afraid that would end up Cormier being defeated but i really hope he does what he knows,to wrestle Volkan rather than standing up.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 20, 2018, 01:50:08 AM

I just saw the weigh ins are up on YT... I haven't watched it myself but will do as soon as I'm done with this post. Grin

I'm so excited, I think I'm gonna skip it to the final parts. Lol.

Let's see the confidence level of Miocic and Ngannou during the stare down.

UFC 220: Official Weigh Ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbQLd9Kj2VI

And in other events, Ferguson and Khabib will be headlining 223 and co main event will be Namajunas vs JJ rematch. Should be awesome.

It is just me or has anyone notice it, But DC looks old as hell. LOL. But he looks relax though. He has big hurdles to face and its not gonna be easy fight unless he takes down Oezdemir.

Miocic looks tense at the stare down, I'm not saying that he is intimidated by Francis, but I have to agree, his hands are full. Francis has really fast hands, not only that he can punch hard. Don't know what his strategy though, really hard to call this fight.

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Stipe Miocic vs. Francis Ngannou is a tough match to pick a winner.

They both are powerhouses and Ngannou is a very fast puncher. He managed to land 17 punches in a little under 9 seconds which I think is a record in UFC punch counts. Atleast in the heavy weight division.

Miocic is fast but he doesn't go in with a fury of punches but is more calculating with where he lands those punches.
So in reality he is a tactical fighter so he is deadly to let the fight go on past 3 rounds.

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^ Speaking of odds, this is not about UFC 220, but have you guys checked the lines on Ferguson vs Khabib? It's interesting, Ferguson is a 2 to 1 underdog. I think that's way lower than what the line was when they were slated to fight at 206. The line then was closer to a coin flip...? Does anyone remember?

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Stipe Miocic look smaller compared to Ngannou and looking at the stare downs, Stipe Miocic is always the first one to reach his hand for a hand shake while Ngannou is all business after the hand shake. I think Stipe Miocic is feeling the pressure now on not to be beaten like what happened to Overeem. Odds in Nitrogensports is Miocic +145 while Ngannou -165

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Stipe would need to be smart in this fight to beat ngannou here and definitely he can't stand toe to toe with the guy. A devastating striker that reminds me a little of jds in his hey days. If he can take francis to the ground, i think he has a better chance but if he gets hit good, doesn't matter how good miocic's chin is, he going to sleep

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I just saw the weigh ins are up on YT... I haven't watched it myself but will do as soon as I'm done with this post. Grin

I'm so excited, I think I'm gonna skip it to the final parts. Lol.

Let's see the confidence level of Miocic and Ngannou during the stare down.

UFC 220: Official Weigh Ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbQLd9Kj2VI

And in other events, Ferguson and Khabib will be headlining 223 and co main event will be Namajunas vs JJ rematch. Should be awesome.

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@eaLiTy. That would be Stipe's plan, but I reckon Francis Ngannou will be ready for it. Francis will barrage and pressure the champion for the whole 2 rounds, and with his speed and his physical strength, we may see him connect 1 punch and knock out Stipe within those rounds.

In any case, we are seeing the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

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I have already made my bet for UFC and Bellator ,Had a big parlay with Quinton Jackson, Rory MacDonald,Michael Chandler,Aaron Pico,Daniel Cormier and Thomas Almeida to win the fights,these are easy picks and hope we wont see any upsets,I like Stipe Miocic as the underdog and hope he could drag the fight to the third round and tire Ngannou out.

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Check the first post of the thread, all the info needed is up and hopefully it helps all of you with your bets. And not only that, we got some videos up! Inside the Octagon is def a must watch. Dan Hardy makes some good breakdowns imo.

Enjoy. Wink

UFC 220: Countdown - Full Episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr347G5qatM

UFC 220: Inside the Octagon - Miocic vs Ngannou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBMkeps14Gs

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This is going to be a very interesting fight. UFC keeps promoting Miocic as one of the best heavyweights ever. If he defends his belt I think he'll have the most title defenses in Heavyweight history at like 3, so that sums up how "dominant" he is. Not taking anything away from him. It's just that there hasn't ever been a massively dominant heavyweight in UFC history yet whereas there has been in every other division. Ngannou is the first contender in a long time to be that guy.

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I'm going to have to go with Ngannou, no doubt. The guy is a freak of nature and being built from the ground up. He was homeless and from my experience when I was homeless, it instills a certain wisdom within that most people don't have, because when you have nothing, you appreciate the little things. Miocic is a world-class striker, but Overeem was too and look what happened to him.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on January 15, 2018, 05:31:34 PM

Quote from: Netnox on January 12, 2018, 11:45:10 PM

Anyone interested in the Daniel Cormier vs. Volkan Oezdemir fight? I am going to bet on Volkan and I will skip the Miocic vs Ngannou fight. I have checked a few gambling sites, and many of them have under-rated Volkan. I watched his fights against Misha Cirkunov (UFC Fight Night 109) and Jimi Manuwa (UFC 214). He was completely awesome.

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Volkan Oezdemir is a sparring partner of Anthony "Rumble" Johnson. Rumble says he hit Volkan with full power punches to the chin and Volkan eats them without issue. Rumble also said Volkan trains very hard. What makes it a tough match up to predict is we've never seen Volkan be tested against a great wrestler like Daniel Cormier.

That said, Volkans hands are deadly weapons and a title fight is 5 rounds. He definitely has a "puncher's chance" or finding DC's chin and finishing the fight.

DC has had issues making weight @ 205. There's a question mark as to whether he solved that problem. We might have seen DC's weight cutting issues in his last fight with Jon Jones. If you watch the fight, it looked like DC was kind of sleep walking in the cage. He wasn't fully there. That weight cutting deficit could be enough to give Vokan what he needs to win the fight.

I might make a small parlay with Volkan and a few favorites. +400 or +500 is a decent play when it hits.

It would suck if DC loses this one. I really want to see Cormier vs Bones 3 eventually... it would be an epic trilogy, and just hope Bones doesn't fuck up again, can you imagine? it would be the greatest scam ever in the UFC, but I would still enjoy it. There's too much money involved for it not to happen, but even if Dana White would allow Bones to fight again a million times after testing positive, at some point age will ruin the match so it has to happen rather soon.

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Quote from: Netnox on January 12, 2018, 11:45:10 PM

Anyone interested in the Daniel Cormier vs. Volkan Oezdemir fight? I am going to bet on Volkan and I will skip the Miocic vs Ngannou fight. I have checked a few gambling sites, and many of them have under-rated Volkan. I watched his fights against Misha Cirkunov (UFC Fight Night 109) and Jimi Manuwa (UFC 214). He was completely awesome.

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Volkan Oezdemir is a sparring partner of Anthony "Rumble" Johnson. Rumble says he hit Volkan with full power punches to the chin and Volkan eats them without issue. Rumble also said Volkan trains very hard. What makes it a tough match up to predict is we've never seen Volkan be tested against a great wrestler like Daniel Cormier.

That said, Volkans hands are deadly weapons and a title fight is 5 rounds. He definitely has a "puncher's chance" or finding DC's chin and finishing the fight.

DC has had issues making weight @ 205. There's a question mark as to whether he solved that problem. We might have seen DC's weight cutting issues in his last fight with Jon Jones. If you watch the fight, it looked like DC was kind of sleep walking in the cage. He wasn't fully there. That weight cutting deficit could be enough to give Vokan what he needs to win the fight.

I might make a small parlay with Volkan and a few favorites. +400 or +500 is a decent play when it hits.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 09, 2018, 06:50:36 AM

It's the odds makers who decide what the lines are. The UFC has nothing to do with it, they promote fights (aka hype and sell tickets).

Yes, I understand that its the odd makers, but I want I mean is basing from Miocic interviews, they are building Francis Ngannou and hyping his name more than the champion. We have seen Tyron Woodley complain about this several times.

That's why I believed that Miocic has something to proved when they face each other.

Im not that surprised. Peoplel ike to make money, and they may be seeing Ngannou as the new money making cow that will keep KO'ing people for a while until people figure out his game or until he loses his edge due making too much money/partying/ageing. Some people see Ngannou as the up and coming HW king. I think it's not that clear, Miocic is a proper viking, he may be able to take the Ngannou beast, I think I may not gamble on this one.

DC vs Volkan is a much easier bet, DC should win this one, then go fight againt with Bones probably next year or something.

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@SaShiRaJaVu. There will be no ground game in this fight because both fighters will be busy trying to knock out each other. Also, trying to change level and get a takedown would be taking a big risk for both because it would take a lot of energy considering their size and weight.

In any case, the fight will be over in under 1.5 rounds with Francis Ngannou's hands raised. This is the beginning of a new era in the heavyweight division.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 12, 2018, 07:46:31 PM

@Hydrogen. I reckon that Francis Ngannou will start an era in the heavyweight division and will hold the championship for a very long time, like Anderson Silva did in middleweight. I also reckon that there was never an era in heavyweight because UFC heavyweight champions have never defended their titles more than 4 times. Also, I like Stipe, but I cannot see him win this time.

I like Miocic in this match up,everyone is getting behind the hype of Francis as he hits like a truck,i am sure Miocic too hits like a truck but not in the same level of Ngannou but he is the heavyweight champion because he knocked out some tough opponents and if he wins this one he is the longest reigning champion and the record is 2 and not 4 in the UFC. ,no one knows Ngannou's ground game and lets see whether it will be exposed this time Grin

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^ Miocic could test Ngannou and take him to the later rounds tho. Miocic is still technically superior, while Ngannou's cardio is still questionable. The latter could fade if the bout goes to the 4th and 5th round. And I agree with Hydrogen. His chin hasn't been really tested yet, let's see if he's as tough as nails.

Bottom line we could see the rise of someone great and take the HW division in the spot light once again, or we're looking at some overhyped fighter.

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Why am I not surprised that Miocic will be the underdog for this fight even when he is the title holder. Maybe because Ngannou recently came out from a fight in a very convincing win over Overeem. Miocic last fight was 8 months ago while Ngannou is fresh from his recent win only last month. Both figther's finish their fights in round 1 from their last 3 fights however, Ngannou won via Submission on a fight last December 2016. Looks like this will be one of those quick fights that will be in the history books of UFC.

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Anyone interested in the Daniel Cormier vs. Volkan Oezdemir fight? I am going to bet on Volkan and I will skip the Miocic vs Ngannou fight. I have checked a few gambling sites, and many of them have under-rated Volkan. I watched his fights against Misha Cirkunov (UFC Fight Night 109) and Jimi Manuwa (UFC 214). He was completely awesome.

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@Hydrogen. I reckon that Francis Ngannou will start an era in the heavyweight division and will hold the championship for a very long time, like Anderson Silva did in middleweight. I also reckon that there was never an era in heavyweight because UFC heavyweight champions have never defended their titles more than 4 times. Also, I like Stipe, but I cannot see him win this time.

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Ngannou is credited with having an 83 inch reach and in his last fight he threw his punches from very low. The punch he KO'ed Alistair Overeem with came from below Overeem's line of sight, where he would have trouble seeing it coming. It was very similar to Derek Brunson's KO of Lyoto Machida. Ngannou is showing good evolution in his kickboxing game.

Stipe is very impressive in that he has a part time/full time job as a firefighter and doesn't train MMA full time. Probably the only UFC champion in history with a day job.

Ngannou has to be the favorite due to his ridiculous athleticism and high growth for how long he's been in the sport. I think Stipe could win if he finds Ngannou's chin. Ngannou has never really been tested in terms of him taking punches or strikes. There's a chance Stipe could land clean and not hurt him.

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Watch Miocic's face at the part when Dana White starts talking about the power of Ngannou's punch. Lmao. That's a bit of fear right there, but he's hiding it.

UFC 220: Miocic vs Ngannou - Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiVHgwKvePo

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That's the UFC hype machine at work. Maybe they feel Ngannou can sell more tickets than Miocic.

And as far as who the underdog and the favorite is, it's the oddsmaker's job. Those odds aren't there by accident or by hype. It's formulated thru careful data analysis, statistics and all that.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 09, 2018, 06:50:36 AM

It's the odds makers who decide what the lines are. The UFC has nothing to do with it, they promote fights (aka hype and sell tickets).

Yes, I understand that its the odd makers, but I want I mean is basing from Miocic interviews, they are building Francis Ngannou and hyping his name more than the champion. We have seen Tyron Woodley complain about this several times.

That's why I believed that Miocic has something to proved when they face each other.

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It's the odds makers who decide what the lines are. The UFC has nothing to do with it, they promote fights (aka hype and sell tickets).

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WTF? How come he is the underdog?

It's this some sort of promoting or hyping this fight? Although Francis Ngannou KO Overeem, and has a KO power, but we all know that Miocic is the champ and has face tougher opponents in the past and also on a roll of his own.

Let's see, I leaning towards Miocic and I'm sure that he will be ready and have a better plans on how to avoid the KO punches on Francis Ngannou, or maybe takes him to the ground.

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Wtf guys... This is currently one of the better championship match ups in the HW division and there's still no discussion? C'mon... I hope this extended preview changes that.

And Miocic is the underdog btw. You can check the odds at Nitrogen.

UFC 220: Miocic vs Ngannou - Extended Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTDzrI3Zhk

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Date: Saturday, January 20th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 11:30 BCT.org / 3:30pm PST / 6:30pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 1:00 BCT.org / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 3:00 BCT.org / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.fìrstrow.eu/

Main Card (PPV)

Stipe Miocic (17-2) vs.

Francis Ngannou (11-1) (Heavyweight Championship)

Daniel Cormier (19-1) vs.

Volkan Oezdemir (15-1) (Light Heavyweight Championship)

Calvin Kattar (17-2) vs.

Shane Burgos (10-0) (Featherweight)

Gian Villante (15-9) vs.

Francimar Barroso (19-6) (Light Heavyweight)

Thomas Almeida (21-2) vs.

Rob Font (14-3) (Bantamweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Kyle Bochniak (7-2) vs.

Brandon Davis (8-2) (Featherweight)

Abdul Razak Alhassan (8-1) vs.

Sabah Homasi (11-7) (Welterweight)

Dustin Ortiz (17-7) vs.

Alexandre Pantoja (18-2) (Flyweight)

Dan Ige (8-1) vs.

Julio Arce (13-2) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Enrique Barzola (13-3-1) vs.

Matt Bessette (22-7) (Featherweight)

Maryna Moroz (8-2) vs.

Jamie Moyle (4-2) (Women's Strawweight)

Islam Makhachev (14-1) vs.

Gleison Tibau (33-12) (Lightweight)

Other

- Charles Rosa was expected to face promotional newcomer Dan Ige at the event. However on December 22, Rosa pulled out due to a neck injury. On January 3, Julio Arce stepped in on short notice and will face Ige.

- Arnold Allen was expected to face Enrique Barzola at the event. However, Allen was pulled from the fight on January 11 due to alleged visa issues which restricted his ability to travel. He was replaced by promotional newcomer Matt Bessette on January 11.

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