Topic: UFC 270: Ngannou vs Gane | Is Gane a good bet? (Read 379 times)

Ok guys, we are getting closer to the fight of these two giants.

I'm also closer to @GamblersArea opinion that Gane is going to win, but betting on one of them is a really big risk.
Personally, I think Ngannou has a hell of a strong punch and if he hits Gane well he will knock him out, but on the other hand, I think Gane is fast enough to avoid a knockout and can win in smart way.

Gane might be having good BJJ skills but it is not that easy to wrap hands around Francis Ngannou and submit him, he is really strong and even Stipe Miocic was not able to finish him even though he was able to defeat him in the first fight. The best game plan would be to make his tired and then try to finish him or win by points. On the other side one shot is more than enough from Francis Ngannou to take anyone in the UFC to another orbit.

As you mentioned with all the drama surrounding Francis Ngannou he will be prepared because a loss here could destroy his career completely along with his negotiation power.

If we are going to see the Ngannou that won the heavyweight by knocking out Miocic, then Gane is in big trouble but if Gane can neutralize Ngannou's attack then Gane can take Ngannou's crown, it will go down to who can implement a better plan, Ngannou's power or Gane's skill, the fight looks even but I have Ngannou winning by a knockout its a bold prediction and it could go either way.

Considering when I looked the other day the odds are split 1.90 a piece, Gane is definitely the more enticing bet to make. I expected Gane to have an advantage in the odds, he has the better technical ability, and has shown a pretty decent chin. However, if he does get hit by Ngannou its probably lights out. I think your basically betting against Ngannou finding his mark against Gane, but considering his footwork for a heavyweight might be a good bet.

I still fancy Ngannou to clip him a few times. Though, I'll be putting a bet on Gane since that's probably the more probable outcome.

If that will be the case, then this is indeed an exciting fight to watch. That would be a huge blow to Ngannou's career if he losses this fight and pumped up popularity for Gane if he managed to execute such techniques. It's not easy to set up such kinds of skills to beat a strong and powerful opponent but enough fighting experience will boost his performance to create such skill and he might gonna win this fight if he has the patience until the end of every round.

I reckon Cyril Gane will be giving everyone a very shocking performance with his speed to avoid Ngannou’s punches, avoid Ngannou’s entries and manipulate him aside similar to a master vs. a stupid charging bull. This fight might become another classic similar to boxing’s Muhammad Ali vs. Sonny Liston and it will show everyone that power is nothing vs. skill. It appears that much of the fans are underestimating Gane.

Gane is very energetic and hungry to prove himself to beat the top fighters. Wait til he encounters someone that will put him to sleep through a big right cross to his jaw and you willl see that he'll be very worried in fighting again. For a fighter who experienced a TKO, theyd be very defensive in most case. The two Nganouu and Gane had not yet experience this yet but once they do, the psychology is hard to overcome.

Gane is genuinely the new age heavyweight fighter who moves like someone much much lighter. Just incredible footwork and stamina. Now, the question is, can he keep Ngannou at bay for at least 2 rounds and tire him out a little? That's genuinely up for debate. I  thought Ngannou is fav to win the fight yet, I just noticed that it isn't the case. Tough decision for me but I think Ngannou has just enough skill and power to have the fight in his favour. Good luck with your bets.

Every fighter in heavyweight has enough powercto shut Ngannou lights out. In this division, even one punch that hits block enough to daze opponent, get him to the ground and finish with hammer strikes.

The reason why no one knocked out Ngannou yet is thwt they did not survive till that moment. I think the fight will end either by submission, or first one to run out of stamina will be ground and pounded.

Ngannou has a nuclear bomb solution if he lands that shot which i feel is close to impossible with the way Gane moves. Gane by decision or submission. Because let's be honest Gane has power but not the power to shut Ngannou's lights out so he will outbox him and try and drag him into Deepwater which is hard giving that we almost never see Ngannou goes to round 2 let alone 5 rounds. It's a mess

Ngannou losing this fight would mean he is not going to get a lot of money out of his next fight against Jon Jones. UFC is messing his career despite having the belt.

MMA math will not work like that, if Francis Ngannou was defeated by Derrick Lewis and Derrick Lewis getting defeated by Ciryl Gane then it does not mean that Ciryl Gane will defeat Francis Ngannou. We know how Francis Ngannou and Derrick Lewis was the most boring fight in heavy weight history with the lowest number of strikes even attempted, it was a total stale mate and  Francis Ngannou was coming after a defeat and he was frozen during the fight .

Francis Ngannou and Ciryl Gane have a history where they were training partners and his old coaches are still training Ciryl Gane and the UFC can create a good hype to promote the fight. It is one of the most anticipated fights and if Francis Ngannou could connect one punch, he could sleep anyone and the game plan of Ciryl Gane will be the interesting aspect on how he will manage to over come that and fight to his strength.

If anyone is going to place a bet based on a paper-scissors-rock tactics ( Lewis beat Ngannou, Gane beat Lewis = Gane beats Ngannou), I would like to warn that such things in most cases don't work in UFC. Also having a 10-0 or "a lot of wins- 0" record does not mean anything, if this record was build outside UFC. Even this the bookies don't have an obvious favourite, as the odds are rather equal. This time it will be a pure random imho. I would not recommend to place a bet, as possibility of loosing is high, and the amount won isn't that high to take that kind of risk imho.

Pretty much sums up how the fight will look like.

I still remember that fight when Stipe kinda lost his composure and rushed forward after landing a good punch. I can't fault him though because anyone  on the receiving end of Ngannou's hands will momentarily forget about strategy. Let's see how Gane does after he eats one of those.

If i would have to place a bet if would probably go for Gane. After watching the video that you linked i would tend even more towards Gane, as he just seems to have the far superior technique. The think with Ngannou is, that he is just a monster and he can be dominated for a whole fight, but if he managed to tag the opponent with one nice punch then it is definitely lights out and another win for Ngnannou. Miocic managed to avoid getting hit in his first fight against Ngannou and he totally dominated that fight and therefore won very deservedly by points. In their second fight though he got tagged and that was it.
So it's always a pretty risky bet no matter who you are favoring.

Reportedly the problems between Ngannou and Dana white  have now been resolved and even  Dana white have confirmed that they will soon extend Ngannou contract as a part of the UFC fighter, with the issue resolved I think Ngannou will fight again against the interim heavyweight title holder, Ciryl Gane at UFC 270 which is scheduled to be played on January 22.

Only thing bouncing is gonna be his head off the canvas after Francis catches him.  And here’s the deal Stipe has fantastic foot work he has great entry and exit he is in and out quick he makes guys constantly guess but Francis has the speed and timing to catch dudes and he just needs to do it one time he only needs one slip.  That’s why I pick Francis in this fight.  Now can he beat Francis sure he can so can Stipe and Stipe done it flawlessly but he has to be absolutely perfect for 25 mins cause at 24 mins and 59 seconds Francis can shut the fight off.

UFC has no problem letting go of Ngannou, they can always build someone as good as Ngannou and made them their cash cow, but Ngannou has become a better fighter, that he can be huge in any organization, things are not going well with Dana and Ngannou because Ngannou did not agree that there is an interim heavyweight champion when he is still a champion and still present as a champion, this fight is Ngannou fight for redemption and to prove that he is the undisputed champion.

Honestly, that's probably a good strategy. I consider myself a anti expert, meaning whoever I pick usually ends up losing. Especially, in the bigger fights. Only somewhat listen to me in the prelim fights as I get all the main cards wrong.

I'll definitely be going with Ngannou as that's where the money is, and he'll always have a chance even if he gets outclassed by Gane due to his power.  

Maybe, he has a lack of belief, and knows that he's probably not going to be around for long at the top. As we know, the money significantly drops off once you aren't fighting in the bigger fights in the UFC. Could potentially be trying to sift as much money out of the UFC as possible while he's at the top. Probably sees Gane as a legitimate threat to his reign, and therefore is reluctant to be friendly. I'm not sure what's gone on with the coaching situation, Ngannou hasn't really said anything in his defense, so we've only heard it from his coach which isn't exactly fair. I'll reserve judgement for now.

This will defitely be a nice fight between two reputable players inside the matching ring. Both players have an undeniably great records which is why it's really hard to take and pick side because the two perform well and have their respective expertise that is their leverage and edge to their opponent during a fight. Ngannou is known to throw heavy and very strong punches that could knock someone out. He is popular for his great strength which you'll definitely witness every match. His power is just superb so if ever he will be able to be in close proximity to Gane, there's a high chance that he would win the match. Gane, on the other hand is known for his unmatched and amazing footwork and speed which paved way and is one of the reasons why he has a clean and undefeated record. He is such a speedy fighter who fights in a distance which makes it hard for his opponents to keep up in pace and connect with him.

In this fight, it is really hard to tell which would win because the two boxers hold a very nice history and of course they have their own strengths. Maybe this will just be a matter of who will be able to have more endurance and stamina over their battle and who will be more strategic in aiming a punch and strucking a clean and solid throw to another. I'm also on the side of Gane, but this won't be an easy fight for him because surely Ngannou won't let him win the title in an easy manner. I'm also really looking forward to their upcoming match and may the most deserving player win.

Does this mean that Ngannou will stop the hype of the Gane this time......!

Yes, maybe we won't talk about Gane and Ngannou's careers, if you look at the MMA-UFC they both look good, (16-3 comparison 10-0) means: Ngannou lost three times and Gane never but what you said makes me a little doubtful, it's a different story for 2022.

First: Ngannou knows who Gane is and how his career was at the UFC, this could have made Ngannou more optimistic to train himself to face Gane, that's the point.

What is certain is that if your go to Ngannou, I will still be standing with Gane, how, any considerations.

Ive heard that there are disagreements between Ngannou and UFC in a question of reward. Ngannou thinks that he cost more and ask for extra money. That is why we dont see much of him this year. As well as with his manager/coach. His formal coach said that Ngannou is ungrateful, not only did not pay him, but he did not even say thank you. There is nothing between Ngannou and Gane, there is no hate between them. The situation, when on UFC 268 Ngannou walked by Gane showing that he does not see him, Ngannou explain that he did not want to greet his formal coach; it will be stupid to greet Gane, and dont greet coach. So he just walked away Ngannou is just rude, unmannered.

This is a risky and very hard fight for Ngannou, he is battling an undefeated Gane who has beaten fighter that beat Ngannou in terms of experience and skills Gane has a slight advantage, Ngannou badly needs this win so he can prove to UFC that he is the legitimate heavyweight champion, UFC told him that he can leave anytime when his contract expires, there's bad blood between him and Gane and of course UFC because he thinks that Gane's interim heavyweight title is a fake one. 

Ego isn't always a problem, I mean look at Conor in his prime years he probably had the biggest ego going around, and not only that was arrogant about it too. Obviously, its back fired later in his career, but that's likely because of him finding motivation elsewhere in the world rather than primarily relying on fighting. I think Ngannou proved himself against Stipe enough to consider him as more than a one trick pony, though Gane is by far the better technical striker. I still think Ngannou is going to surprise a few people, and take the win home.

Yeah, Gane has lost me a lot of money as I've doubted him many times before. Proven me wrong each time, usually pretty convincingly. Still, I'm going for Ngannou .

I often see UFC fights especially Gane, he is no stranger to heavyweight betting in the UFC from throughout Gane's career, what I have seen Gane so far is still the idol of many people, Gane's history is quite impressive for UFC lovers.

I also saw in FanDuel sportsbook, quite a lot of people placed bets for them, maybe this fight is one of the best moments in early 2022, this is a good opportunity to bet.

This is a good message.

I also think so, Ngannou vs Gane also had a good series of careers, but whose name is a definite bet that we have to choose the one that we believe to be locked, maybe I will lock one of them, (N or G), not sure yet.

Everything you said and there's a bit of an EGO problem with Ngannou, at least by the way I see it. Gane, on the other hand, is a rising star and he would be preparing more seriously and Ngannou has just 1 weapon and that's power while Gane has more stamina in case the fight goes to later rounds where power won't be that big of an issue.

Gane should win but this is a risky bet for anyone because they are close to call despite the difference in their styles. I would be betting on Gane when the fight approaches near. The fight is on 22nd January so still plenty of time to think about it and there will be official weigh-ins before the fight where we can see how they look and sometimes it gives an indication too.

Well, not always the case with heavyweights. They might be explosive for a round, but due to the amount of weight they're actually carrying its not uncommon for them to become a boring fight. I don't think we'll have that problem with Gane he seems to be able to handle long rounds, and conserve his energy. However, Ngannou is definitely at risk of tiring himself out, especially if he becomes frustrated at Gane's movement which I think will be the decisive factor in this fight, whether Gane can keep the distance, and frustrate Ngannou making him waste energy or if Ngannou can close the distance, and put Gane on the canvas.

If we will base this on their stats like record and reach advantage, sure thing Ngannou will have the higher hand in this fight. But this match ain't going down to be that way, because as we see it, both fighters have different strengths and abilities so if we really match it according to their talents, Gane will have the advantage because of his speed and unmatched footwork movements which enables him to connect as much as possible. Ngannou on the other hand, is also a really tough fighter and a crowd favorite who's strength can be really seen on how his body was built.
These two fellas are really exciting to watch and see them clash next year, indeed as what the OP have said, it's very risky to bet knowing that these two fighters are both tough.

The problem of Ngannou is that he does not have any combat sports base. He has trained boxing for 1 year only, they he had a pause for years and started training MMA. So right now he has a mix of a bit everything plus strength. Gane has trained Muay Thai and competed for years before starting MMA. So I think he is well trained against such a "smash-destroy-Hulk" like Ngannou. So once again, this is going to be not a competition who is a better fighter, but has more stamina.

Heavyweight fighters are always going to be explosive when set in the cage. These are two big dudes who still can lift themselves and move like a lightweight. The most memorable fight I've seen about Ngannou is with Alister, it was heck of an uppercut. But against with also a powerful Gane, you will not see the fight going to be dominated by one only. Maybe Ngannou or maybe Gane.

This is a battle of giants, they both possess strength and power, so anything can happen in the ring. since Ngannou is the champion here, I think he is the favorite to win this one because he already beat dozens of big and strong opponents which makes him the champion. His punch is so powerful that it can only take one punch to snatch and get the win from his opponent even though they're winning the scorecard.

This is a fight that is considered fair and square. Odds are more or less the same. I will go for Gane if I were to bet. I think any of the two fighters could end the fight anytime. If this goes the distance, I think Gane will prevail. He's got the skills for it. But I doubt it will. And because both have powers, they could cancel the opponent out with a single punch. Ngannou more than Gane but Gane is the fighter with the higher IQ. He better be careful though. Ngannou only needs a single punch to shut him down.

I'll likely be going for Ngannou since I expect the bookies to have Gane with the shorter odds. Though, Gane probably is the better bet in terms of probability, I just think as long as Ngannou can put on the pressure, he'll be able to land big on Gane. If Gane can manage the distance, and stop Ngannou from getting a heavy punch in, then he probably wins this fight quite comfortably. Though, Ngannou vs Stipe proved that Ngannou isn't a one trick pony, and knows how to deal with fighters looking to keep their distance from him.

I'm not completely on Gane yet, and I think while this step up is probably needed for the division to be spiced up, I actually think Ngannou's best chance at beating Gane is now due to the timing. I would think that if Ngannou does beat Gane, and there's a rematch it probably would go to Gane who would be able to adjust better.

I agree and usually that's the case in most heavyweight fights, they can end not just the fight but someone's career with just one brutal knock and both these dudes are massive and have that ability, Francis Ngannou is obviously the more powerful guy and I think his punch was compared with a car hitting at full speed in some UFC event. I am also going to avoid betting on this one and suggest the same.

This is one of the fights I love watching with one eye closed because I don't want to see someone die in the ring but at the same time they are entertaining and fun to watch. The best bet would be - Fight not to go the distance but I am not betting it because of the poor odds on that.

It's more of a Goliath vs David in terms of power, not size. You look at Ngannou and you see the ability to end the match with one shit that's well connected and almost every punch or hook he throws is capable of putting anyone to sleep. Then you look at Gane and he's more of a technical boxer with excellent grappling ability and surprisingly light on the feet which is hard to find in the heavyweights.

I remember how the Gane vs Lewis fight went and I'm sorry to the Ngannou fans (I'm one of them) but I don't see how Francis wins here unless Gane gets loose or makes a mistake and gets caught mid-air. I want Gane to win as well because he's kind of an underdog and I want to see guys who work hard excel rather than raw talent. Also the reason why I am slightly tilted towards Ronaldo when it comes to comparing him with Messi.

Gane proved himself he could beat heavy hitters like Lewis which if Lewis beat Ngannou, you wouldn't see Ngannou having a chance against Gane. it's still a very risky fight because Ngannou can throw a scary one-punch knockout.

i wouldn't say there is a huge difference to the odds even if the bookmaker will determine Gane to be the favorite. i'd say Ngannou will be my favorite. skip betting on this one if you are not very sure who to pick.

Take a look on Ngannou statistics. If the fight goes on a distance, Francis losses. If he ables to connect, he wins. But, if his opponent have a strong chin, Ngannou have nothing to do, he is loaded for one punch. I think Francis has a small tank and he will run out of stamina in 3+ round. He is just a striker.

Gane is from Muay Thai. He can throw some good kneed to the body and make Ngannou slow. That will his key. Dont forget that they trained together. So every one is familiar of weak and strong aspects of each other. I would not say that Gane is a huge underdog. I would say that both fighters are equal. The one with a bigger gas tank wins.

I don't think Ngannou will allow Ciryl Gane to stay at distance and pick him apart. Ngannou will force Gane to fight. He won't let Gane land cleanly and retreat or cut an angle, to not take damage. With the pattern repeating until Gane wins the fight. I don't think Ngannou will allow it to turn into a kickboxing point match the way others have.

Heavyweights in MMA can be tough to bet. Everyone hits hard and can finish their opponent with one hit. It can come down to who lands the knockout punch 1st, rather than who is faster or more skillful from a technical perspective.

Ngannou has the reach advantage here and is the 1st opponent Gane has faced with a longer wingspan. Having the reach advantage, could mean Gane will have a harder time hitting and running the way he has against opponents at a reach disadvantage. If you want example of how important reach can be in MMA. Think about how Jose Aldo cleanly defeated everyone he fought at a reach disadvantage. The opponents Jose Aldo struggled with the most were ones with a height and reach advantage over him. The same precedent could apply to Ciryl Gane.

A big part of the outcome will depend upon how hungry they are and how badly they want it. The heart, training and preparation are difficult to measure without inside information from training partners and people in camp -- which sportsbooks sometimes have connections to.

Ngannou opened as a big betting favorite, with Gane the betting underdog. Considerable bets must have been placed on Gane to even out the lines. The betting numbers can either be sharp gamblers with inside information, or gambling addicts whose bets reflect whatever their random mood swings happen to be at the time. The betting line is often wrong and should never be considered to reflect the true probability of win versus loss statistics.

I'm on you Gane is my favorite to win in this matchup I have huge respect for Ngannou but Gane is a beast inside the ring, Gane is undefeated and he delivers when he is facing a tough opponent like what we've seen in his match against Lewis but we must not take anything away on Ngannou he still has a chance to win here if he is motivated enough to win because there's a lot of fo distraction for him going to this fight.

Gane is good fighter who is very fast in body movement,  Ngannou is a fighter of full of strength.  The both fighters are tough fighter , this will make the game to be tough and fantastic to watch. I can't tell at this point who the winner will. I guess this fight will be fun to watch to see this two great fighter showing their strength.

Yeah and I think that's because bettors understand that their strengths cancel each other out. It's one punch KO power for Francis against Cyril's skills. I find this match up similar to the Lewis vs. Daukaus match which happened recently. Gane looks like a smarter fighter with how he handled Lewis' power but Ngannou has become more patient and I think he has a bigger gas tank.

Like what I said before, I don't analyze fights that could easily end up with one punch especially in the early rounds. It is much easier to predict if the match ends in the first two rounds or if it ends in KO/TKO.

Anyway, you're welcome to discuss UFC fights on this thread.

So Ngannou vs Gane is coming up soon and I've been extremely excited for this match-up. The fighting odds right now on most betting sites are pretty even but I'm sure eventually Ngannoug will become a favorite due to his power and people generally like to bet on the champion. I'm planning on putting a pretty sizable bet on Gane though. The guy has unparalleled footwork. No one in the division comes even close to his movement and I believe Ngannou won't be able to connect with much. Especially after watching their sparring footage.

Here's the summary of my thinking:

• Gane has better BJJ and especially good leg logs in his arsenal. I can easily see Francis getting caught in a heel hook if they go to the ground.
• Overall better standup. He's an undefeated kickboxer with unmatched footwork in the heavyweight division, whereas Francis is mainly a boxer with rare kicks and 0 wrestling.
• Gane absolutely dismantled Derrick Lewis whereas Ngannou stood frozen against him and lost via decision.
• Francis currently has a lot of negotiation drama with the UFC and wants to leave. This is the last match on his contract and if he loses he'll be a free agent. The championship clause in his contract would tie him to the UFC for another year or 3 fights if he wins this match.

It's still a pretty risky bet though, ngl. I'm kinda hoping someone will convince me that I'm wrong but I don't see Gane losing in any scenario. Please discuss