Topic: UFC FN 119: Brunson vs Machida Info and Prediction Thread (Read 490 times)

@krach. Yes, a rematch versus Anderson would be my first choice if I was his manager or is agent. Assuming that Derek Brunson wins in a questionable way, like Anderson did in their first fight, then we will have another good trilogy!

Watched the reply on TV, what a punch hook from Derek Brunson finishes Lyoto Machida early in round one  . I think it's time for the dragon to retire he can't even breath a fire anymore, his prime is fading. Aging can't stop that slowed him and he doesn't have the speed to counter, was destroyed in the octagon, it's too much for me to watch as a fan. To be honest he it's time for him to leave the octagon, legend will be a legend. 

Weidman or Rockhold makes a lot more sense unless AS beats Gasltlum.

I got rekt and went 1-2

 

@Hydrogen or anyone. Who do you reckon Derek Brunson must fight next to be at a stage closer to challenge for the middleweight title?

There are 3 names ranked above him that might help him get there, Chris Weidman, Luke Rockhold and Anderson Silva. All 3 have won their latest fights and fighting Anderson again will give him a chance to retire another Brazilian that might revive his image.

Derek Brunson has knocked out many top notch MMA fighters in the 1st round. I don't think the loss means Machida is done.

The sequence leading up to the finish was Brunson ducking down and throwing a punch that came from far beneath Machida's line of sight where Machida couldn't see it coming. That could have finished anyone no matter how old or young they were. I had Machida winning the fight up until he got KO'ed. I think Machida could have another fight in the future the same way that Anderson Silva still fights even though everyone thought he might retire after losing to Chris Weidman 2x.

Colby Covington, Robbie Lawler, Stephen Thompson, Jorge Masvidal and a few others are likely in contention to fight Tyron Woodley for the title next. Its tough to see a clear favorite getting a title shot. There isn't anyone who is finishing their fights in impressive fashion. The fighter who finishes their fights is usually the one who fights for the title.

Next up is UFC 217: Michael Bisping versus Georges St Pierre @ Madison Square Garden, New York.

Machida still have a few fights left, he can still make a comeback but I don't think Dana White will allow him to headline another event or if Dana will book him again. Machida being absent in the MMA for quite sometime may have affected his performance. My total disappointment is with the outcome of Maia and Covington. Both fighters showed their skills but Maia somewhat looks tired in the 3rd round. Both tried to score by taking turns in trying to take down. I was rooting for Maia on this one. 

Time to hang the gloves up. He's had a great career already and i was surprised he even came back. It's been a long while and most fighters whose been away that long usually don't have it anymore. One of the best in the division and sad he didn't agree to a fight with anderson before but i think now.the dragon should call it quits

Lyoto Machida was a good fighter but age and the battles he had being will take a toll and any hard chin will become brittle with age ,the biggest example was Chuck Liddell,he had a great chin when he was dominating and in the back end of his career he started getting knocked out cold with just a touch,he has to retire or fight elsewhere where the competition is less but i am disappointed with Demian Maia as he was gassed out in the first round and went on to loose the fight.

Maybe it's not that he took a time out off the octagon. One of the worst enemy of fighters regardless if its MMA or Boxing is age. They are not getting younger. No matter how long he stayed in the gym, no matter how many hours he sparred with his partner and no matter how good is his team, his body and mind will not work the same way it worked 6 years ago when he defeated randy Couture with a front kick. Machida is still one of the best fighters in my list.

I wonder what's going on in Machida's head right now.  He had been gone from the sport for so long, then came back as motivated to win as ever, maybe more.  And then losing in such a fashion. 

It sucks.  I don't think he'll come back anymore.

Sadly, i agree with you. Being a fan of lyoto machida, its heartbreaking to see him lose though we have to understand that a lot of things contributed to this loss. He's not getting any younger. He was fighting among legends and hall of famers like himself several yead ago and most of those aren't active fighters anymore. No more comebacks please

I had one more fight and went 0 for 3 lol im on such a bad run i think im about even for the year.

@Hydrogen. Lyoto Machida will need to increase his secret training method if he wants to stay in the UFC. Derek Brunson showed him that it will take more than drinking your own pee to win versus a power puncher.

I reckon Lyoto and Demian need to retire.

That is 100% true. One controversial & secret training method Lyoto inherited from his warrior spirit ancestors is urine therapy. The practice of drinking one's own piss to gain an athletic advantage. That's one thing people tend not to take into account when discussing the Machida family's warrior traditions and possibly a neglected point. Sports don't get much more hardcore than people voluntarily drinking their own pee.

It is also true that there are other MMA fighters in the Machida family. Chinzo Machida (Lyoto's brother) fought in bellator earlier this year. Chinzo was choked out in the 1st round against James Gallagher. I hope Lyoto does better tonight than his brother did.

Betting wise this card looks tough. Good luck to everyone.

really liking Lyoto Machida  and Demian Maia my only picks.

The long rest from training and MMA could actually do his body some good.  Machida is almost 40 now and his body could need more time to heal and recuperate.  And always keep in mind that his family belongs to a long line of martial artists, passed from father to son (not really sure, it's the impression I got.  Lol).  So they're into all that bushido, warrior spirit stuff. 

Fighting is in their blood.

Lyoto's been on a layoff for too long. I'd like to believe he still has it but i've seen too many legends get the bad end of not being in a fight for a year or two. Of course the training wpuld probably be intense to get him back to the dragon shape and as a fan, hopefully he'd get to it but i'm crossing my fingers here. It would be good though to see him back in the octagon

Khabib Nurmagomedov vs Edson Barboza.  


I'm glad Khabib isn't retiring yet. He has had many injuries and was on the verge of retiring. Even Khabib's father said he wants him to retire, soon.

I think I'm taking Derek Brunson over Lyoto Machida. Derek Brunson is similar to Phil Davis, except Brunson seems to have better punching power with more finishes and is more dangerous with his hands. Phil Davis vs Lyoto Machida was a close fight. There's a chance that Machida lost his power fighting at 185 pounds. It has been 3 years since he's hurt anyone with his strikes. Lyoto doesn't have Anderson Silva helping him train or prepare for fights anymore. I like to side against the person testing positive for PED's, too.

Mega Parlay



Machida, Maia, Linker vs. Vera over 1.5

Those are my main picks, I will watch the weigh ins, might go on some of these underdogs on the rest of the card.

Check out the media day conference's face off.  Machida looks good!  He looks healthy and comparing his size with Brunson, I don't think Brunson appears to have any reach advantage over him (didn't check their stats yet).

Fight Night Sao Paulo: Media Day Faceoffs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT78VC-t44Y

I would have to go with Machida. His movement is unique. the way he gets in and out of skirmish is pretty awesome. Add his excellent counter punching skill I think he will win. But what bothers me is his age. I think he slowed down since before but I'll still bet on him.

Lot's of other MMA pros are for a Brunson win.  They consider Machida on the decline, but Brunson isn't exactly what he was hyped to be tho.  It was Whitaker who turned out be 'the man'.  But we'll see.  Lots of people don't take that the fight will be in Brazil into consideration.

MMA Pros Pick - Lyoto Machida vs. Derek Brunson (UFC Fight Night 119)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osN4c6XEckY

Between Derek Brunson and Lyoto Machida, I would go with Derek Brunson. Lyoto Machida last had a taste of victory 2 years and 10 months ago. Derek Brunson also have the reach advantage but in terms of experience inside the octagon Lyoto Machida has more of that but, I think Lyoto Machida is beyond his prime. This will be Derek Brunson's 3rd fight for this year, while Lyoto Machida last seen action in the octagon 2 years ago. I'll be more excited to watch the fight of Demian Maia and Colby Covington.

I reckon it was Chael Sonnen who said that steroids do not give fighters super strength. If a fighter does not have the power to knock out someone, steroids will not help.

What steroids do during training is to help with faster recovery, stamina and a little strength. But they do not transform you to become a power puncher like Mike Tyson.

This site compiles every positive steroid test result in MMA with correlation to the win/loss result of the fight they tested postive for.


There is more detailed info at the source, I didn't post it all it would be too long.

According to them the official record of confirmed steroid use in MMA is 22 wins to 25 losses.

Too bad the original owners of cagepotato sold their site. Before it was sold it was one of the best MMA sites in terms of content.

I agree, and although he lost his last two they were vs . top guys.

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Same.  I looove Machida.  I love his movement, his elusiveness and his movement overall.  His style is just awesome to watch even without any brawling action.  It's one of the reasons why I like Mcgregor's style as well.  The Shotokan karatedo style as is isn't really that great for MMA, but the movement of the practioners transitioning to MMA kinda makes their fighting style look unique.

Should be a good match.

Kind of like jon jones losing streak, or Brock Lesnar, or anyone else not caught yet. The fighters in your list are also older or were older when they started losing.


Can you show us these studies?

BJJ Scout released this clip of Demian Maia vs Colby Covington grappling/wrestling analysis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_fq-2nRkp8

The betting line shifted in favor of Demian Maia shortly afterward. BJJ Scout has some of the best analysis for grappling/wrestling in MMA that I've seen. His material is worth watching for anyone interested in the finer points of wrestling/grappling which is one area most of us don't know much about.

Not many notes on this card, here are a few.

-How well Derek Brunson does in the stand up could depend on whether he's training himself in his own gym or working with JacksonWink coaches. If anyone noticed the changes in Brunson's kickboxing those came with him starting his own gym and training himself out of it.

-Lyoto Machida hasn't done well around the time he tested positive for steroids. He's coming off a suspension from a positive test. Many of the guys that trained at blackhouse gym in california have also tested positive. Anderson Silva, Kevin Casey, Lyoto Machida, Brian Ortega, Rafael Cavalcante and maybe a few others I can't remember right now all trained in the same gym as Lyoto and all tested positive for steroids.

Steroid use could have a detrimental effect upon the careers of MMA fighters. Gilbert Melendez, Chael Sonnen & others have suffered losing streaks after testing positive. Statistically there have been studies done on this and most of the time those who test positive for steroids lose their fights in MMA.

Im taking  Machida.
Will add more soon

I think that Machida´s counterstriking and movement will be a good counter to Brunson.
If Brunson doenst win in the first 2:30 then its over for him imo.

https://degenbet.com/ufc-fight-night-brazil-brunson-vs-machida/

Date: Saturday, October 28th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 22:30 BCT / 3:30pm PST / 6:30pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 00:00 BCT / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 2:00 BCT / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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Main Card (Fox Sports 1)

Derek Brunson (17-5) vs. Lyoto Machida (22-7) (Middleweight)
Demian Maia (25-7) vs. Colby Covington (12-1) (Welterweight)
Pedro Munhoz (14-2) vs. Rob Font (14-2) (Bantamweight)
Francisco Trinaldo (21-5) vs. Jim Miller (28-10) (Lightweight)
Thiago Santos (15-5) vs. Jack Hermansson (16-3) (Middleweight)
John Lineker (29-8) vs. Marlon Vera (10-3-1) (Bantamweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 2)

Vicente Luque (11-6-1) vs. Niko Price (11-0) (Welterweight)
Antonio Carlos Junior (8-2) vs. Jack Marshman (22-6) (Middleweight)
Hacran Dias (23-5-1) vs. Jared Gordon (13-1) (Lightweight)
Elizeu Zaleski dos Santos (17-5) vs. Max Griffin (13-3) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Deiveson Figueiredo (12-0) vs. Jarred Brooks (13-0) (Flyweight)
Christian Colombo (8-2-1) vs. Marcelo Golm (5-0) (Heavyweight)

Other

- On September 19, promotional newcomer Carlos Felipe was flagged for a potential USADA violation stemming from an out-of-competition sample collected July 29. Therefore he was pulled from his UFC debut against Christian Colombo. He was replaced by fellow promotional newcomer Marcelo Golm on September 20.

- On October 6, it was announced that Luan Chagas fractured his foot and pulled out of his welterweight bout against Niko Price. He was replaced by Vicente Luque on October 6.

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