Topic: UK brexit and rejoin with Europe and economy (Read 270 times)

I am not saying that the United Kingdom is not experiencing problems. All of Europe is immersed in political and economic problems, not just the United Kingdom. Their situation was not better when they were within the European Union.

Problems are always there and it is not because the United Kingdom left the European Union. There were some good advantages that they got when they joined, but at the same time there were a lot of negatives.

They held a referendum on withdrawal. It is true that they got it by a narrow margin, as 51.9 percent voted in favor of withdrawal, but they got it in the end and this is their choice, whether it is good or bad.

The reason why a lot of people flip flop between different ideologies, political parties, etc. is exactly because they are all bad and there is no such thing as "normal" when it comes to politics.

All these "isms" have numerous flaws which makes them only work for a certain period of time before they start falling apart. Communism is a good example that was even growing in Europe but because it is a flawed ideology it stopped growing, replaced and eventually fell apart. Now it doesn't exist anymore (even China is closer to being a Capitalism than a Communism).

At the same time all these "isms" have their benefits as well. For example the same communism worked very well back when in for example Germany millions were jobless and hungry.
Liberalism with its "laissez-faire"-ism worked fine for a couple of decades as well because it addressed human nature and greed. The days of this ism and its attachments like globalism is over as well.

That last shift started 2+ years ago and it's not just right wings that are coming on top, the existing parties like the conservative-liberal PM Mark Rutte has been showing signs of that shift like with his statements regarding that "strategic autonomy policy changes" that could be categorized as the same protectionism and de-globalization while praising Macron France.

I don't see it happening! UK has looted wealth from all over the world and saved in their coffers. The amount is not accounted anywhere yet. During emergency, UK will start bringing them out. You can't imagine the amount they have looted. From India alone, they have taken over 200 billion pounds of that time! So UK do not need to join EU union for any reason.

Also you are talking about 13£ company registration? Do you know who were the biggest beneficiaries of such registration - Ponzi scammers! When ponzi market was active through various forums like MMG, DT etc. 8 out of 10 ponzi websites were registered in UK. So if it has changed, it's good! At least the scammers will not be able to afford it!

What are you talking about? Economically it had such terrible periods, they had to change so many prime ministers during the same time, and they had so many trouble with the government not settling, they changed like what six in span of 10 years or something? They had a lot of trouble and unfortunately a lot of people did not really see how that could be a problem.

I am not saying they did a good or bad thing, maybe on the long term they did something fine, but the problem that Europe is having right now is not due to European union, being a union isn't the issue, the issue is that they are letting way too many people in these days, and while they are afraid to be called racist for wanting them out, no matter what people would say, that's the correct thing to do.

The thing is that Globalization is a right wing invention which was done to further USA corporations and lowered the entrance for capital entrances in the 3rd world. When it started in the 80 last century it was a capitalist thus right wing politic.

Coming to 2010 and its the left who wishes for globalization. When I was younger antifa was radically against capitalism, nowadays antifa defends nestle &co.

Then who is not a radical for you?

You cal the left radicals, you call the protectionists/right radical. Who is normal?

The thing is there is no normal. There is no one universal right in politics.

When I feel like I am a right winger (and for the last few years I do feel like that a lot) I think the lefties are lunatics. But I wasn't always like that. When I was younger there was more hippie in me. Then I made some monney and I said, fuck that we all love each other hippie crap. Capitalism rulezzz but then guess what, caplitalism likes the left more because the righties bring protectionism and protectionism means de-globalization.

You're exaggerating a little, man. The UK's exit from the European Union did not cause any deep problems for the country. Even former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said regarding Brexit: "This is a great moment for the country. We have gained our freedom and it is up to us to make the most of it." Several years have passed since then, and things have remained the same.

Historically, the countries of the European Union have been in conflicts and raging wars since the ancient era and the Middle Ages. They were never allied, but rather were always competitors, and each country coveted the other. They united only in the modern era, and therefore I do not expect that it will be difficult for Britain to proceed on its own path as it did on Passage of history.

Limiting what's happening across Europe to "illegal immigrants" is like limiting the reason why you like Bitcoin to something like "being able to use your phone to pay".

It's all about the threat of war that is pushing Europeans toward radicals, specially the far right radicals. For example the radicals in Netherlands like Wilders are known for being pro-Russia and seriously against paying for the war with Russia.
This is only going to grow as the shadow of war looms over Europe. A war that US is pushing Europe and Russia into so that once again USA can stand far away and intact. Obviously people in Europe don't want to die for another country and they'd rather go back to the time when they were buying cheap Russian energy and had their factories running instead of experiencing inflation, recession and possible war, destruction and death.

In such a situation, radicals who talk about avoiding war look more appealing that radicals who talk about starting a war...

Brexit happened because the Brits didn’t want any more of the illegal immigrants in their country. Right now protectionism is becoming popular in Europe again. Geert Wilders won the Netherlands, Macron won’t be around next month, Germany, Italy, even Spain. They are following the same path. That should give you an idea about the upcoming US elections too. Trump.

Yes financially brexit was a bad move and it is because having protectionism is always a bad move for the corporations because capitalism always needs cheap foreign workers that don’t have any social security or national id’s. (These are the best ones because nobody gives a shit if they catch cancer or die)

When I see it that way, I can’t say that brexit was a bad move politically. They were right to leave EU but they did it just a bit early maybe. Refugees were always going to be a problem for EU and the Brits wanted no more of that crap. Good for them. Now the EU countries decided they don’t want them too.

You are exaggerating the issues even though some of your claims are true. For instance, there is no way it will not hurt the UK economy since huge economic benefits from Europe were withdrawn. There were many key economic transactions going to Europe before Brexit that had to pass through the UK first, but all were stopped, so it will definitely affect them. I only hope that the UK can find a lasting solution and peace in this matter.

About the Visa issuance and other claims of yours, they are vice versa in my opinion and are not so economical, they are not peculiar to either of them (UK and EU) in any way, so let them face the brunt in this regard.

I only see the lack of cooperation of the EU in some cases as well, they want the UK to suffer their decision to leave and much of what they did was deliberate to punish them for the decision. Now, it's not that Brexit is entirely bad, but it should have been done before now, the delay caused it to be betting this much. If it had been done centuries ago, things would have normalised as it would have been the way of life in the UK by now which would have met the world's evolution naturally, unlike now.

Dependency is an issue in the name of friendship, but when you decide to let go, it could hurt, especially if the other party has huge dominance caused by too much reliance. That's the way I see it.

The Source of that statement please!!!!

UK done

What benefits?

Name one that we havent had to pay for in excess.

as you said, the uk got various benefits when they joined the european union, but the problem was when the benefits they got were not commensurate with what they had to endure, and that was what pushed them to leave the european union and become a completely independent country. even though it will have an effect on the uk economy, at least it will make them understand more about the problems that exist in their country and will slowly improve them through targeted policies.

Legal immigrants you just can fetch them as they are legal and the services know where they live.
Illegals make it harder and some might even get violent, It's not that the police likes violence towards them. Who does really.

Speaking as a small business owner in the UK, I can honestly say that your assumption of businesses suffering because of "bureaucratic processes that impede the free flow of goods" is absolute nonsense.

Brexit has been mismanaged, deliberately.

If Brexit were handled correctly it would have substantially reduced the "bureaucratic processes that impede the free flow of goods", but because of the corruption in our governments the opportunities that were afforded by a clean break from the EU were squandered.

Let's face it, they never had any intention of freeing us from the schakles and mountains of "bureaucratic processes that impede the free flow of goods" that the EU produce each year costing small businesses and consumers vast sums of money for absolutely no good reason whatsoever.

You seriously dont understand the EU and the chains it puts on everyone else in favour of large corporate interests.

What was on offer was freedom, but you'd rather be chained to a house of unelected unaccountable bureaucratic parasitic dictators rather than choose your own destiny.

I dispair with people that think the EU is a good idea. It is not. not in the slightest.

there is no escape to this economic and energy crisis as it seems made up and they are making it worse with all the wars. they are not even sanctioned. but it looks like Brexit is part of the plan for this coming crisis after all. Geographically, the UK is like Taiwan for the EU. in case the EU responds in a manner that doesn't follow orders, i guess the independence of the UK comes in handy.

i don't know if it's possible to rejoin. not all country has the freedom to do what they want. my country has independence day but still no freedom.

But now it's very difficult to keep capital in UK don't forget that too strict borders can keep capital limited.
Some people think that UK was over liquid of money and exit of bigger capital did balance economy.
But now a lot people talking about to take UK back in Europe we never know world Changing fast people need that Center country where english is main language to trade and deal.

It's not that simple. The only thing you can say for sure is that things didn't go according to plans.

You have to go back to pre-Brexit time. They were already planning to start the war with Russia according to US orders. So UK needed to get out of EU to decrease the effects of that war on EU members' economies. They were basically hoping to not experience an economic and energy crisis of their own while entire EU did. Then later on they could come back to EU as the "victors" and take the leadership and revive a tiny part of the dead "empire" that way.

Little did they know UK would experience the same economic and energy crisis as the rest of the EU even when they existed the coalition. On top of that they experienced more crisis due to the exit itself.
This is why things didn't go according to plan and now it seems like a bad move.

escaping the EU was about escaping the controls of EU
britain can now set its own rules more freely

the headache of bureaucracy was done on purpose
it was not needed for ports but for setting a high bar to then negotiate against EU

the reason is simple. if britain just went along with EU settings and limits cooperatively then the UK had no power at the negotiating table to get better deals.. so the then PM (B.johnson) set a headache plan into motion to motivate the eu to move their goalposts a little, which would then eventually allow british PM to lower the bar into a more co-operative bureaucracy once britain got its better deals

in short the headaches of bureaucracy was not the result of brexit, but the purposefully introduced heavy weapon of post brexit bargaining.
it wasnt needed for businesses to operate with the EU but was introduced by british government to negotiate with EU

I don't think any country could stop illegal immigration completely but it's ironic that they were able to stop or minimize the legal migration while the illegal continues. They will probably have to grant those who entered illegally like what the US is does especially when a democrat is sitting as the President.

Biggest Brexit exit argument was to stop immigration.
The stopped the legal immigration all right, leading to a shortage in every low income job there is.
It didn't stop the illegal immigration though. 

Short sighted is what you can call politicians nowadays.

It means that it was long time ago idea.
And pro brexit cameron and Boris Johnson knew exacly what going to be happening after brexit.
It's not going to end well let's see how fast people start begging UK goverment to rejoin eu.
I guess they wanted to crash UK economy anyone who got Brain can see that, now all those people who voted for brexit might see how bad they living now.
Since there is no demand anymore for UK gbp i guess it will fall down after few years If UK don't rejoin i guess we can buy the UK for pennies cheap everything the land and real estate.

Then they can influence the laws that guide their policies as a European Union instead of just cutting off their ties with the EU in what they referred to as the British Exit or Brexit. In a world of economic uncertainties and insecurity, it is rather better to get into ties than to get off ties with any union right now. I didn't encourage the UK to cut off for once but they did what they have to do and it's already backfiring on them because it wasn't going to be easy to break a mountain that was built for over half a century which the UK must have also enjoyed too, in just few months or years.

they know it's not good to exit but they did it anyway. leaving their friends behind is not good. that's almost exactly the analogy of it but you know geopolitics, it could be that it's not their decision.

but since the time they supported the war against Russia, they already knew the worse part was coming and then the gas pipeline exploded. the ESG is not making the EU richer. revolutions are going on there as i read the news, particularly the farmers.

While it was a bad move leaving the EU, there is still a large portion of the country who are stubborn and will kick up a fuss if the idea of an EU referendum is floated again. The UK has barely left the EU at the moment and is still intertwined in many ways, it would be the best time to rejoin but politicians are afraid to even float the idea. It's probably going to be another 5-10 years of declining standards and having the biggest companies in the UK be bought out or migrate elsewhere. Instead of being one of the leaders of the EU, all people who voted leave voted to make the country much weaker - whether they understood that was the inevitable outcome or not. It's a shame for the younger generations who will suffer the most due to less freedom of travel and movement.

UK are out of good things brexit was mistake and yes brexit was slow death of UK economy.
However If country not attractive to invrstors and for capital then economy will fall down definately.
UK was booming thanks to easy migration rules and easy ways to invest and move funds and that Made all the world to go in UK City of London when money was everywhere now the capital going out.
Those brexit political guys knows that

Do we need now visa to register ltd limited company in UK ? If so it would be better place ireland to start business?
The thing is that people need english country UK was perfect for this france is also good but i prefer english country with easy migration.
I hope UK will change asap something and making for those who pay for this some fee possible to be in UK.

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UK people are out of binance futures market it's very good profit and they don't get it.
Binance it's biggest exchanger you not in binance you don't exist in crypto world

Brexit was not the cause of the problems you highlighted or many of them being experienced in the UK. There are lots of underlying issues in different sectors which needs attending to and until those internal problems are fixed the UK will continue to experience the results of those problems.
Brexit has nothing to do with the binance issue. Binance was restricted by the UK and has been in other countries as well.

Rejoining the EU is not an easy task either. There are countries who have made applications several years ago and are still awaiting a positive outcome. Best to hope for is a candidate country status, but with how brexit went about even that may not be possible for another couple of years.

It was calculated move to kill uk economy.
But first what was the UK economy and what it is, we need to know that colonial countries assets and currency was related to UK currency a lot.
You wanted to buy food or other commodities you have to go through city of London markets and was using LIBOR so to speculate with currency prices how they want so they just speculated to push up UK currency against other fiat currencies.
It's over now and also the LIBOR is over now they make UK hard location for investors to invest money in.
Everybody whos smart enough knows that If UK will make strict rules and laws then even city of London economy will fall and a lot financial instutions move out from UK becouse money is not there anymore.

It Seems like calculated move to crash down UK economy and House prices and assets.
UK people are not even sense how bad is the situation.
Btw...who want UK GBP If you can't do nothing with this anymore ?
UK is restricted out of global opportunities.

The problem with being in the EU was the Great Britain had to pump more money in than any other nation except I think Germany, to help much poorer EU nations. I will never understand this responsibility that the UK, US & other big powers have, to send billions & billions to other nations for aid or to help with wars when their own economies are struggling & their people are finding it hard to live the standard of life they used to.

Brexit has affected the economy of Britain adversely. Many small businesses are suffering because of bureaucratic processes that impede the free flow of goods and labor. Imports and exports have become difficult, and even the agricultural sector that supported Brexit is feeling the heat. But the UK has moved on, and the economy is gradually becoming independent. Many opposers of Brexit predicted that the UK economy will not survive outside the EU but this has not been the case. It's been over four years now and the UK economy is not doing badly.

I don't think any political party is campaigning to have a second referendum to take the UK back to the EU. The EU will be happy to have one of its richest members back but it will not also be an easy task. Even if leaving the EU is a mistake, the UK will seek other means of correcting it without going back to the Union. I think the UK has moved on and will not go back to the EU. Rather, it will make policies that will foster the free flow of goods and services with its European partners.

It was bad move go out of Europe.
UK economy Will fall and currency falling also now and not much demand for UK currency a lot business are out of UK and If you want to Open business in UK and you are eu citizen you need visa before you needed just 13£ and you have it the UK company registered.
But UK should rejoin or it will fall UK try to look like they are so important but it's not look you cant have even binance account in UK you have cryptocurrency restrictions it's not good.
Now UK stay out of the global markets while for example USA is working towards good things in crypto.

Many people belive that If UK don't rejoin again than this country will fall definately will fall those who hold UK currency better not hold it.