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Quote from: jaylin on December 05, 2015, 12:13:29 AM

They're busy fighting each other in Syria.. Its a messy place right now

They are not fighting each other. But some of the FSA groups such as the Al Nusra Front and the Ahrar Al Sham are having issues with the Kurdish groups. Other than that, they are united in their fight against the Syrian government. They have some-sort of an understanding with the ISIS, and many of the rebel fighters travel to Raqqa to receive training from the ISIS. The UK government can use them to fight against Assad (if they are not already doing that), but they are not going to fight the ISIS.

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Quote from: galdur on December 04, 2015, 07:13:58 AM

Ministry of Defence (MoD) bosses warned Prime Minister David Cameron against claiming there are 70,000 moderate Syrian rebels ready to fight Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), fearing the assertion would echo Tony Blair’s Iraq “dodgy dossier.”
The revelation comes after the House of Commons voted to extend airstrikes from Iraq into Syria, with the first bombs falling hours later.

According to the Times newspaper, military figures also feared Cameron’s claim of such a rebel force may lead MPs to wrongly believe there was a ready-made army on the ground in Syria, therefore influencing the vote.

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They're busy fighting each other in Syria.. Its a messy place right now

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Ministry of Defence (MoD) bosses warned Prime Minister David Cameron against claiming there are 70,000 moderate Syrian rebels ready to fight Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), fearing the assertion would echo Tony Blair’s Iraq “dodgy dossier.”
The revelation comes after the House of Commons voted to extend airstrikes from Iraq into Syria, with the first bombs falling hours later.

According to the Times newspaper, military figures also feared Cameron’s claim of such a rebel force may lead MPs to wrongly believe there was a ready-made army on the ground in Syria, therefore influencing the vote.

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Quote from: 1btcdream on December 03, 2015, 11:09:37 PM

Quote from: CoinBateman on December 03, 2015, 07:19:14 PM

How are the ISIS allowed to sell oil for cash? Wouldn't a political intervention be better to slow down their cash flow? Simply make it illegal to buy oil from ISIS..

It's because a lot of influential people benefiting from illegal oil trade take as an example the Turkish president.

How about SIMPLY making it fucking illegal for psychopaths, that retards vote into office, to systematically destroy country after country thereby IN EFFECT creating more and more terrorism which they then can bomb to create even more of the same. How about making it illegal for retarded people to participate in elections? Would that help? I guess if you need to get rid of a tree you start chopping relatively close to the roots. Maybe some people start from the top picking off leaves and working their way down until the tree is gone, wouldn´t be surprised. Grin

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Quote from: CoinBateman on December 03, 2015, 07:19:14 PM

How are the ISIS allowed to sell oil for cash? Wouldn't a political intervention be better to slow down their cash flow? Simply make it illegal to buy oil from ISIS..

It's because a lot of influential people benefiting from illegal oil trade take as an example the Turkish president.

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How are the ISIS allowed to sell oil for cash? Wouldn't a political intervention be better to slow down their cash flow? Simply make it illegal to buy oil from ISIS..

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Wrong choice of target.

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The UK strikes oil fields, before that Russia Bombs Oil tanker trucks, and the US eventually bombs some oil tanker trucks as well. The US has run more than 6,000 air
strikes against ISIS for the past year. Why are any of these targets still there? Everyone knows ISIS is selling oil for cash to the Turks to fund their operations. Why has Obama allowed ISIS to continue pumping oil out of the ground and deliver it to Turkey?
Electric power is needed to pomp oil. Generators make a nice heat "signature" for targeting. Why not hit all the generators and oil trucks and let ISIS grind to a halt for lack of fuel and money? The answer is Obama doesn't want to defeat ISIS. He wants to allow them to exist and do a small amount tp make it look like he cares.

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I realize that criminals don´t give a hoot about laws but I´m still curious; exactly what gives this so called alliance the right to bomb Syrian territory? It is a matter of historical record that the same people that violate Syrian airspace say that Turkey had every right to shoot down that Russian plane. Yeah I know; those terrorists are in Syrian territory but the Syrian government didn´t invite them in. Aren´t you like obliged to ask a sovereign government for permission before bombing its land? What if Russia decided to bomb ISIS terrorists inside of Turkey? Would that mean world war 3 against criminals that don´t give a hoot about laws unless it fits their interests? I guess those fruitcakes and deviants there in London didn´t discuss such trivia there in the 11 hour hot air fest. Morals and ethics come up maybe once a decade in that congregation so that´s irrelevant in this context.

It isn´t a level playing field if criminals are allowed to behave at will but those who try to follow laws are punished.

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I find it fascinating that everyone wants to bomb ISIS in Syria. Look at the maps that are presented by EVERY news outlet out there on the territory controlled by ISIS. The bulk of it is in Iraq, but no one seems to care about bombing ISIS in Iraq. No, everyone just wants to bomb ISIS in Syria. Oh I understand there may be more oil infrastructure they control in Syria, but that doesn't take international coalitions to bomb that infrastructure into a wreck. Actually it would be better for ground forces to intercept the oil transports once they leave ISIS controlled areas instead. That way you stop them from selling it and your coalition could sell it instead to pay for what they are doing.
Oh wait, that would mean exposing Turkey's role in buying that oil wouldn't it - sorry....never mind.

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There may be some promising angles in this business model. ISIS could very well spread from Lybia to Tunis and become powerful enough there to necessitate bombing that country to make sure that terrorism thrives there even better. Unfortunately the Atlantic Ocean is later the limit of expansion but at that point this policy will have displaced so much people that European nutcases will be forced to bomb their own sorry asses.

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Quote from: saddampbuh on December 03, 2015, 11:05:15 AM

bombing fucking does work, isis are experiencing defections and loss of revenue, the russians killed so many in one day the corpses had to be dumped in a sewage trench because there was no one to give muslim burial

admittedly lack of firepower is a problem, we spend 40 billion on defence and only able to muster 16 or so planes with everything else mothballed or not due to come into service until 2020, it is a bad situation

The Brits are going to bomb sand there in Syria until ISIS is strong enough in Lybia to start bombing there. It´s a great scam for weapons manufacturers and the politicians they fund, first they destroy countries and then they come back later to bomb the disaster that they created to begin with. And so on. Iraq, Lybia, Syria. Nobody thinks of the obvious and totally necessary; taking those nutballs out of circulation in the interests of public safety. And so these scams could go on for decades for all I know.

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Quote from: saddampbuh on December 03, 2015, 11:05:15 AM

bombing fucking does work, isis are experiencing defections and loss of revenue, the russians killed so many in one day the corpses had to be dumped in a sewage trench because there was no one to give muslim burial

admittedly lack of firepower is a problem, we spend 40 billion on defence and only able to muster 16 or so planes with everything else mothballed or not due to come into service until 2020, it is a bad situation

That's right. They should focus on finding and destroying all their sources of income. If ISIS is forced to rely on donations only they are done.

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I am all for killing these terrorists, wherever they are. However, none of this bombing or overall engagement from the western countries will work and never has. In fact, likely to make it worse, just like the war in Iraq did. That war was based on lies and created the current chaos. The only way to deal with it is to expose the economic interests of those who benefit from these wars, boycott and isolate them. Expose and confiscate all their assets worldwide.

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bombing fucking does work, isis are experiencing defections and loss of revenue, the russians killed so many in one day the corpses had to be dumped in a sewage trench because there was no one to give muslim burial

admittedly lack of firepower is a problem, we spend 40 billion on defence and only able to muster 16 or so planes with everything else mothballed or not due to come into service until 2020, it is a bad situation

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Quote from: n3o111 on December 03, 2015, 08:45:08 AM

Air strikes are not working, this is already proven. If they want the real cleaning they should send ground troops.
This is positive news anyway. Always we made these expenses, let the UK spend their military money, too.

They are working and the attack on that Russian plane proves it. Bombings destroy their facilities and it hits their pockets.

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Dwarf deals real blows where giants have failed for over a year....

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The British contribution forms only a tiny part of U.S.-led "Operation Inherent Resolve", which has been bombing Islamic State targets in both Iraq and Syria for more than a year with hundreds of aircraft. Previously, the small British contingent participated in strikes on Iraq but not Syria.

The strikes have so far failed to dislodge the militants from a swathe of territory where they have proclaimed a Caliphate to rule over all Muslims, although Washington and its allies say they have helped halt the fighters' advance.

Although the British vote adds negligible new military capability to the coalition, it has taken on outsized political and diplomatic significance since gunmen and bombers killed 130 people last month in Paris. France had called for solidarity from Europe's other main military power in expanding military action.

Read more at Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/03/us-mideast-crisis-syria-britain-idUSKBN0TL00M20151203#oD4AKwrjVTmMzbk3.99

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Air strikes are not working, this is already proven. If they want the real cleaning they should send ground troops.
This is positive news anyway. Always we made these expenses, let the UK spend their military money, too.

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BTW I hope the boys are prepared for the turkish air defence

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The UK joining the coalition will help a bit but actually make not much difference.

There are already many nations pounding ISIS positions. France, Russia and the USA are actually bombing for quite some time. What we really need to see is ground troops to go in there and destroy ISIS. But this is a high risk strategy for western leaders as they know the voters will not accept bodybags coming home.

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Govt. spokesman George Orwell reported

Four British Tornados have hit seven targets in eastern Syrian oilfields in the wake of the Commons decision to join military action in an attempt to degrade and destroy Isis forces. The defence secretary, Michael Fallon, disclosed that the aircraft were using Paveway bombs and had “dealt a real blow” to the Isis-controlled oilfields. Fallon said the air campaign, due to be supported by reconstituted Syrian troops, could last as long as three years.

Real blows for three years...Man, they´re gonna kill each terrorist at least twenty times...

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The UK, and all the other NATO nations should have been in this fight all along. Yet they have sat back and relied on the good old U.S. to try and stop these vermin from the Koran. If the U.S. would have had support from the beginning, these terrible people would have never gained a foot hold. Now the time has come to defeat them, and what do you see? Good ole mother Russia, to gather up the spoils when it is over.

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The strikes on their own (without ground forces) not going to resolve anything but probably will make things worse. In addition as a side effect bombing and weakening the IS going to strengthen their competitors like al-Nusra and other jihadist groups, so in a few years from now we are going to have the same situation again (still). Otherwise bombing the shit out of those bastards is a pretty good idea.

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I support that air strikes, just it dont look like word leaders really want to make end of those terrorists. If they do, they would make coalition and send ground troops there. I mean, almost whole world is involved in fight against bunch of armed natives, some foreign (non professional) mercenaries and random scum (all together not more than 100k of bad trained soldiers). It looks like bad joke.

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The vote has passed in favour of the UK commencing air-strikes against the Daesh.

The opposition to this seems to worry more about the potential planned attacks on UK soil. However, I do feel that the speech delivered here by Hilary Benn gives a strong case FOR the strikes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34991402

What are your opinions on this decision?

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