Topic: UK Writer Beaten to a BLOODY PULP With Hours of Releasing Pro-Trump Piece (Read 379 times)

Decentralization will destroy much of national sovereignty, and Bitcoin subverts a primary factor of control by a government over its people.


Becoming a rally point is one thing, but populism becomes dangerous when its power is then delegated to the rallying point.

I think the sovereign of a country is measure by its capacity to act independently to any other country power. This is acting according to its own population´s interest.
Being able to control its own central bank is interesting and may be an indicator of sovereign, but I don´t think it is an important one.

Jet Cash gave already many examples regarding the EU and England. England was losing part of its sovereign while acting according to EU interests, not its own. Even though they still controlled its own currency.
Brexit is a true act of sovereign. You can be against it, and there is nothing wrong with supporting globalism or EU. But Brexit is an act of sovereign, as they are no longer obligated to follow legislation that comes from the EU. Als, they are not obligated to act according EU demands. England or Britain or whatever you call it, is now free to do as they want, and they cannot be obligated to follow legislations that come from another nations.


Brazil , Venezuela and Cuba are interesting cases relating this matter.

Brazil is able to freely print all money possible. We have high inflation rates here. But I do not consider Brazil a sovereign nation now. We somehow have our sovereign, but nothing compared to contries such as USA or England.
Our government acts accordingly to other nations interests. We have to maintain socialist dictatorships worldwide. Look at these links
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-venezuela-debt/brazils-congress-approves-covering-missed-venezuela-payment-idUSKBN1I4044
https://www.gtreview.com/news/americas/bndes-loan-to-cubas-mariel-port-under-investigation/
While our ports infracstructure is like 40 years old, we are building a new and the biggest Latin america´s port in Cuba. For free, as they already said they will not pay us the loan. We have endless examples like this. We build subways in Venezuela, roads in Mozambique, etc…

Also, we are paying high money to Cuba to receive illiterate physicians from Cuba. They are working in our public health care.

This EU stuff is rich people´s problem compared to Brazil´s problems...

Can you explain this in more detail

I don't think he ability to create money is a sovereignty indicator.

Venezuela is printing money freely and they are not sovereign.
What they are doing is mostly dictated by other countries interests.

Sovereignty is much more related to act according to the interests of the population who lives there.

Right, but you were talking about destruction of sovereignty. Central banks are a major keeper of state sovereignty. Where did I claim otherwise? That was my argument!

The underlying assumption is that the state and elected government are the same. They're not.

 

I didn't address any of what you're saying here. I mentioned that the central banks play a big role in letting private capital leave a country, but that's not got much to do with what you're saying

There is so much in your post with which I can't agree.

Countries don't create currencies, they borrow the 'money' from the cental banks who create it.

The UK government has been starving the country of capital by selling the national assets and giving the money to the EU and other contries.

Giving Amazon preferrential treatment destroys commerce and also creates the export of capital

Fractional reserve banking and zero interest rates are another way to steal savings and export the money to the international bankers.

I could go on for another couple of pages.

I was going to watch it but it says: "The user has deleted this video."

I am living that too much nowadays... 100% useless, nobody ever change their minds, its not a rational discussion.

Right now in Brazil we are living Presidential Elections. The country is very divided. Even families members are discussing and fighting.

About 30-40% the country wants Lula President (who openly supports Maduro and Venezuela, who are "fighting USA imperialism"), and 30-40% wants anyone else, and about 20-30% doesnt care and will not vote.

Image how much discussions are we all having here lol

Who exist as a result of incentive and rational self-interest in a relatively free market. If you could start a chip manufacturer for Bitcoin ASICs, you'd do it. There are no doubt people pondering that question right now, and they're unlikely to have the same sort of imagination or willfulness that you have

That video is a load of horse shit.  The guy did not get beaten for any political motive that I can find, and at the end of the video it even says "it looks like a robbery".  The video is making it sound as though he's a martyr for being a Trump supporter, conflating the publishing of an article with the beating.  Very misleading, and Jet Cash I would hope you're more analytical than this.

And replaces it with 5 mining pools and 4 chip manufacturers?

I am struggling not to give you a merit just because I agree. Political discussion as normally practised is useless to convince people, is more like a sport in which everyone feels they won the match because they littered the internet a bit more with their political propaganda and empty headed arguments.

Well, my point is that politicians literally are centralised power.

But you're right of course, if you don't accept that, there's no conversation to be had.

I disagree..
If a politician is against centralization, if you vote for him you are not against decentralization.

Anyway, I always try to avoid these kind of discussions with people that I share similar interests and have different opinions regarding this topic.

Because I think these discussions are useless , as everyone has their opinion already formed and will not change their minds... Including me lol

Have a nice Sunday.

Bitcoin does unfortunately destroy some of the most important attributes of state sovereignty.

The power to create money is probably the most important among sovereign powers, and Bitcoin completely decentralises money creation, and therefore gives everyone the right to create money.

The power to send money using international networks also was formally heavily state controlled, and it's an important economic tool to be able to control the flow of money outside of sovereign borders (controlling the exchange rate of a national currency is made impossible if anyone can send local currency to foreign banks, the foreign banks can use the money to put pressure on the FX markets).

Money capital being removed from an economy without barriers is also a huge problem if a sovereign wants to be able to manage the economy within it's borders. If people can sell assets in a given national jurisdiction and easily transfer the money abroad, it can starve a country of capital investment when governments and businesses are trying to correct reckless mistakes (and yes, that's a very anti-capitalist way for them to behave, just look at China or Argentina, where draconian rules against transferring any kind of capital outside the country have been in place for decades)  

Again, Bitcoin makes a joke out of the entire endeavor. There is no "abroad" or "borders" or "capital flight" in Bitcoin, there's no way for a single ledger that anyone can use to respect such things.


This is all a good thing. State sovereignty is anti-competitive, if money or labour cannot move around the world without these various "trolls under the bridge" from bullying people into behaviour that's against their interests, then there is no real capitalism. Satoshi intended it this way, he mentions in the Bitcoin white paper that Bitcoin would be popular with those that want government power taken away and given to individuals.




If you want to support any kind of politician, Trump or otherwise (I don't support any), you are against decentralisation by definition. Trump is part of a not so clever trick, if you fall for the trick, you will end up disappointed, disenfrachised, or both.

"When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British parliament was advised by an artful man [Sir William Keith], who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people. That it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. But that they should not do it openly; but to weaken them and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia."
George Mason

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials."
George Mason

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson


Thanks for sharing...

if you were a facist tool used by the etonian/ofxford/harvard clans wouldn't it be smart to call yourself "antifa" ?

and did you see any problem during the 8 years of obama with any american militias? No they prepped for WAR without distrubing or hurting anyone, contrary to what the ethonian/ofxford/harvard controlled media trumpeted.

"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."
Thomas Jefferson

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained in arms, is the best most natural defense of a free country."
James Madison

"If the guy out in the woods with the Michigan Militia is a real estate negotiator, instead of some crackpot, and has a normal life, that's unnerving. You don't want to think it's as normal as the guy next door, hedging his lawn. It's easier to demonize or separate them off from 'us.'"
Michael Moore

"The birthers, the fanatics, the people running around in right-wing militia and Aryan support groups, it is unbearable to them that President Barack Obama should exist."
Sheldon Whitehouse

"The Sunnis no longer recognize the centralized government as a legitimate power. The Shia militia that is moving around is calling out war crimes that are anti-Sunni. So, the Sunnis are in a tough spot. Do they move to an ISIS, which is a radical Islamic terrorist organization? Or do they defend themselves? Or do they give up?"
Ryan Zinke

"Just able barely to mount a horse and ride about a little in the spring of 1866, my life was threatened daily, and I was forced to go heavily armed. The whole country was then full of militia, robbing, plundering and killing."
Jesse James

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry

"The militia is our ultimate safety. We can have no security without it. The great object is that every man be armed."
Patrick Henry

PS, don't listen to the derailers, they work for sadiq khan or theresa may...

Bitcoin is the opposite to globalism.
People often think globalism is the same as globalization, but it is not.

Globalism aim to created a centralized world government, such as UN, or in a smaller scale, EU.
Bitcoin is trying to decentralize power globally, not centralize it.

Globalism has a strong support from media, celebrities, leftists... that's why brexit and trump are so unpopular in the media, as they made a great blow to globalism.

Bitcoin is global, but not globalist. It doesn't demand the destruction of national sovereignty, and all of the other things that the globalists are creating.

Most people need leaders, and personalities that can become rallying points. Donald Trump is a rallying point. Clinton, Obama, Blair Cameron and the like were not rallying points, they were strippers of national assets, and the promoters of global eugenics.

Don't you think Bitcoin is a bit globalist? It is a one-world supra-national money system after all


Violence is no solution to people whose opinions you dislike, I'm on board. But you've gotta remember that Trump represents that too, he's an authoritarian, not any kind of liberal.

I believe in freedom of the individual; political conservatives say that, but they don't mean it. Trump, Obama, Bush and Clinton are all the same in that regard. In 2018, you don't need a leader, you can lead yourself. That's why Bitcoin and decentralised tech is the real political answer: freedom of the individual that you grant to yourself, not some facsimile of freedom that a politician will grant you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxurXCUigio

This is why we need to stand up to the hooligans that are funded by the deep state in an attempt to halt the rise of populism.

I support Donald Trump and his strong ant-globalist stance, that seeks to rebuild America after the pillage by Clinton, Obama and the rest of them. I also support Brexit, and I hope it wll lead to a political party that will "drain the swamp" of the Etonian/Oxford/Harvard treasonous cabal that created the European Union and has stolen so much from the member states.