Topic: Ukraine in freefall. (Read 172 times)

The covert preparation for a Zelensky successor is probably being set in place right now. Then when they took Zelensky out, they could blame Russia, and they would have somebody even better to take over in Ukraine. I almost said, 'put in place' rather than, 'to take over', but that is just what might happen... Put-in place when the Russians formally win.

Even if it was true, It would very unlikely some agency would try to assassinate Zelensky before the conflict is over. He is literally the face of the nation and was even received in the American Senate to offer some words from the central podium.

Also, I thought the Republican party used the control they got over the House to hold a serious investigation and even invited some alledged whistleblowers to testify,what happened to that?

If there are actually whistleblowers, then the job of prosecuting Hunter Biden and his family should be easier.

If this is true, Zelensky is in danger of being assassinated by the CIA, or some other covert Biden agency.


BREAKING UPDATE: Zelensky Associate Was Present at Biden Bribery Meetings – Then Went to Work for President Zelensky Who Now Is Holding Blackmail Information Against Joe Biden (VIDEO)

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/breaking-update-zelensky-associate-was-present-biden-bribery/
Author Peter Schweizer went on with Jesse Watters on Monday night where he proceeded to drop another bomb on the Biden Crime Family.

According to Schweizer, who wrote a best-seller "Secret Empires" on the Biden Family crimes, told Jesse that one of Vlodomyr Zelensky's top officials was sitting in the room when they were discussing bribing the Bidens, Joe and Hunter.

Ukrainian President Zelensky has a top official who was sitting in on meetings where they talked about bribing the Bidens.

Schweizer suggests Zelensky is using this as leverage over the Biden regime for weapons and billions in US dollars.

Peter Schweizer: We've been at this since 2018.
** They initially said there were no foreign deals.
** Then they shifted and said there were. There might have been foreign deals, but the Bidens made no money.
** Then it became Joe Biden didn't know about any of the deals.
** Then it became Joe Biden didn't participate in any of the deals.
** And now it's that he was not in business with his son.

Look, the implications for this are huge, Jesse.

If you look at that 1023 form that the FBI released, if that document is true, that document reveals that one of the people that was at those meetings that heard the conversations about bribing the Bidens worked for – President Zelensky. Who really wants to believe, if that meeting took place and that document is accurate, that that individual did not go and report to President Zelensky what he heard?
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It does seem like Russia has stepped up efforts in Ukraine lately. The sheer amount of firepower being used can’t be matched even with the help of Western allies. Sure, we can bomb the hell out of them or provide fancy tech and weapons systems, but we can’t match their small arms ammunition stockpiles or manufacturing capabilities.

Try this search link https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=vacationing+in+cuba&ia=web.

ah yes. despite hearing strange debilitating sound that causes the havana syndrome.

Cuba would never be sanctioned. Why not? There are too many wealthy elites who vacation there. They would never allow it.

thats a very naive thought. Its like saying Taiwan is free. If Taiwan is free, US will need not to keep shouting for its independence because China will always interfere what Taiwan would do.
If Taiwan is Free, they would have put us a US military base there already.

as is with Cuba. US will not allow Russia/Chinese Military base there otherwise a very tiny missile can reach the US territory. before Cuba can even militarize itself, they'd be sanctioned a hundred times.

Sure, Sweden recently made some progress toward joining Nato. But somehow the expansion seems to have stopped. Is it turning backward, now, as exemplified by Ukraine rejection? Will Nato really start being reduced? Might as well. Most of the European Nato countries don't have squat for militaries any longer. So, who cares about Nato any longer?


The Incredible Shrinking NATO

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http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2023/july/17/the-incredible-shrinking-nato/
I've been waiting for the hubbub to die down since the NATO conference in Vilnius, Lithuania, on 11-12 July 2023, waiting for someone — anyone — to point out the obvious reason for why the Ukraine's cocaine-sniffing mascot-president Zelensky, having been lionized only a year ago, has suddenly fallen into disfavor with this organization.

Yes, the Ukraine might still some day be invited to start the long and arduous process of joining NATO, but only after some undefined number of NATO members decide that it has done enough to comply with "NATO standards" (I'll explain what those are later) and various other vague things. Keeping in mind that back on 20 September 2018 the Ukrainian parliament approved amendments to the constitution that would make the accession of the country to NATO and the EU a central goal and the main foreign policy objective, such a turn of events is most embarrassing for the mascot president and his backers and handlers.

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Was it that the Ukraine was losing the war? No, the Ukraine wasn't losing; it just wasn't winning. In particular, its attacks on Russia's defensive lines, which the Russian troops termed "meat attacks" because of the huge and useless losses they incurred on the Ukrainian side, seemed rather futile.
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Cuba is free to do whatever they like,joining a military alliance with Russia as long as they want it,NATO won't object as NATO is strong enough to not give a damn even if Russia,China,Iran and all Middle East become together as a military alliance,so no NATO will not object.That is the huge difference in mentality from a western person and some person who has been hearing the Russian imperial fantasies long enough and cannot distinguish the reality,they only know one reality,the one inflicted to them by their country propaganda.It is as easy as that,no country should invade an independent country and each country should have the road they think suit them best.

There is only one Nato nation in the vicinity of Cuba. It's the United States. And they are so weak that after all this time they haven't been able to convince Cuba to join Nato. Rather, Cuba is in favor of Russia.

What does Cuba know that the rest of us don't?

if that is your logic, then can Cuba join a military alliance with Russia?
Cuba is also an independent country.  the map is the key and strategic location of Cuba. NATO will object.

I am finding extreme difficulties in following your logic.Ukraine gained independence on 1991 if I am not mistaken on promises to destroy all nuclear armament which they did to honor the deal brokered exactly by Russia,Boris Yeltsin back then.Since then Ukraine is a free country and is free to join NATO or do whatever they like in their territory without asking permission from anyone be that a neighbor like Russia who demanded that they stay out of joining NATO.

Russia wagered a war to annex parts of Ukraine and this is starting a war,Ukraine was at peace,it is the aggressor in this case Russia who put them to war and I agree with Zelenksy,no one tells me what to do in my own home.

you need to watch the news on both sides.
they are both at war and zelensky even dragging their war to the brink of ww3 by joining NATO. that's not normal. in fact, NATO refused him.
what's not normal to drag kids out of their houses and bring those kids to the front line and be dead. 

ukr is not independent. they were about to decide to negotiate peace talks but zelensky because ukr is not independent obeys his master to stop the negotiation. he can't decide on his own. there wouldn't be more deaths if it were stopped already.  he chooses freefall.

Either way it is going to cease to exist by judging the events happening there.They are not both at war,Ukraine was an independent country that was attacked out of nowhere,how can you call this normal thing to do?They are not winning anything,they are losing every day,their economy is on their knees, 1 RUB equals  to 0.01 Euro cent the lowest in many months and it is normal when you are wagering war so they have nothing to be proud from what they are doing and have done,they only kill innocent civilians the most as the atrocities in Bucha,Irpin and Kharkiv reminds all of us.

As for former Yugoslavia,I don't know the story well but from what I recall many countries in that confederation wanted independence which they got in the early 1990-s,so nothing wrong with countries wanting their own independence from a certain confederation.

what do you mean they are at war both of them are defending their own. Ukraine just planned a counter offensive but failed.

you know that if russia loses, the country will cease to exist too right?  haven't you heard of yugoslavia that was already gone?

Going back to peace talk after the atrocities in Bucha,Irpin and Kharkiv?That is absolutely out of question,Ukraine would rather burn down every man and that would be the correct choice,when some invader invades you,you have to defend your country and it is not only in Ukraine,almost everywhere is a fight for the motherland,or fatherland depending on how you call it.

These news are lame attempts to bash on the Ukrainian army however it won't work,Ukrainians are showing us that they are extremely united and even the worse forms of terrorism which Russia has been using systemically there won't work,Ukraine will win no matter what as they are in their right,in their independent territories which they will liberate.

i read some of these kids tried to injure themselves by inflicting broken leg to escape conscription. going that length so they could stay alive seems a smarter thing to do than going to the frontline.

going back to the peace talk table is more strategic for them. Spokesperson Matthew Miller says it all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3dokh57y2M

Time for the rest of the Ukrainian people to move out of Ukraine. It seems that the young men of Ukraine are being forced into Russian roulette. But there is one difference. More and more of the chambers are being filled with rounds before spinning the cylinder.

What will they do when there is a serious and complete crackdown on all the people of Ukraine? It's death either way. The choice is joining, and being killed by Russians, or fighting conscription and being shot by Ukrainian recruiters.


Young Ukrainians Scared To Leave Their Homes As More And More Videos Emerge Of Forced Conscription

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/young-ukrainians-scared-leave-their-homes-more-and-more-videos-emerge-forced
Recent videos of young Ukrainian men being conscripted across the country have circulated in popular encrypted messaging apps in Ukraine, and those fearful of being sent to the front are actively engaging in evasive and, in some instances, illegal tactics to avoid such a fate.

The brutal mobilization by Ukrainian military recruitment officers of young men has been occurring for a year and a half now, Hungarian newspaper Magyar Nemzet reports.

"Many conscripted men are taken straight off the street by uniformed men," it states. "Most recently in Subcarpathia, a surveillance camera recorded the overreach of the authorities as a man trying to go to a store was kidnapped from his bicycle in broad daylight."

The man was abducted right on a street during the day by police and conscription officers in a small village in the Municipal District of Munkács, with his bicycle left in the road.
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