Topic: Ukraine president a patriot or a mad man? (Read 362 times)
But the raw evidence shows that it's true. I saw RF helping Ukrainian from getting out of the conflict zone. On the other hand, Ukrainian forces have been accused to beat Indian students who were trying to cross the Poland border. If RF does anything as they have done in Syria( I am talking about airstrikes) then we could see a high amount of civilian casualties already.
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
I do not think Putin plans to occupy Ukraine and join it with mainland Russia. Ukrainian peoples are hostile towards Russians still RF is trying to avoid civilian casualties. I am assuming they are trying to keep their images and replace them with a puppet government in Ukraine. Putin knows annexation would cause more problems like insurgents and civilian unrest. Ukraine could be a buffer state between NATO and Russia.
The puppet government would only survive if the Ukrainian army and all Ukrainian citizens who are against the Russian rule
are exterminated and are replaced with Putinians from Russia proper.
We are probably talking 90-100% of the 44 million. You do the Math. It will be physically impossible.
They are already determined to defend their country. Imagine if Putinians start killing Ukrainian citizens en masse.
They will have nothing (literally) to lose but defend their country, no matter the cost.
RF is trying to avoid civilian casualties
False.
Ukraine could be a buffer state between NATO and Russia.
It was a buffer and got invaded by Putin in 2014. As of now, Putin would have to exterminate a significant part of Ukrainian population if he wants to bend them.
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
I do not think Putin plans to occupy Ukraine and join it with mainland Russia. Ukrainian peoples are hostile towards Russians still RF is trying to avoid civilian casualties. I am assuming they are trying to keep their images and replace them with a puppet government in Ukraine. Putin knows annexation would cause more problems like insurgents and civilian unrest. Ukraine could be a buffer state between NATO and Russia.
In terms of governing the country he is quite reliable, but when it comes to diplomacy he is an idiot. How could he even think about joining NATO when Russia was next to them? I thought he was so stupid that he thought that by joining NATO their country would become stronger against Russia. When Russia came to attack he sent his citizens to war? smh
True. I think he might be a successful president as far running economy of the country but he under estimated power of Russia and was not running an independent foreign policy and following the lines of USA and consequently put his country in a serious trouble. USA has bad history of using small nations to achieve its objectives and leave them alone when they are in serious trouble.
If the country behind Ukraine will also pose a thread carrying missiles and weapons, Russia will also disarm them.
No, they will not. They can't even disarm Ukrainian villagers. They might be able to kill some or many Ukrainians, but that's about it.
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
That's not how they would see it. Moscow would have less than 10 minutes to respond if a missile comes from Ukraine. But if a missile comes from Poland or Hungry or whichever countries behind Ukraine, they are able to respond to an attack with enough time.
If the country behind Ukraine will also pose a thread carrying missiles and weapons, Russia will also disarm them. That could be the case of course they will have to negotiate again to stop it as they did to Ukraine. This is all drama really, the West doesn't care about Ukraine. What does Ukraine contribute to the US except to deter Russia to have an excuse for the crumbling economy and now we can blame Russia for the inflation. Let's forget about the printing.
Isn't Latvia closer to Moscow than Ukraine?
Besides Putin has nukes in Kalingrad that can reach any European capital in minutes.
This has nothing to do with the security of Russia. It is all about Soviet imperialism.
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
That's not how they would see it. Moscow would have less than 10 minutes to respond if a missile comes from Ukraine. But if a missile comes from Poland or Hungry or whichever countries behind Ukraine, they are able to respond to an attack with enough time.
If the country behind Ukraine will also pose a thread carrying missiles and weapons, Russia will also disarm them. That could be the case of course they will have to negotiate again to stop it as they did to Ukraine. This is all drama really, the West doesn't care about Ukraine. What does Ukraine contribute to the US except to deter Russia to have an excuse for the crumbling economy and now we can blame Russia for the inflation. Let's forget about the printing.
He is a patriotic man, I like the pattern of how he does things, he is a president that has his people in his heart. I saw him on news on a military uniform him parading with with soldiers on war front , it takes a good president to do such to have that boldness and ready to fight for his country, I think Ukrainians are blessed to have him.
In terms of governing the country he is quite reliable, but when it comes to diplomacy he is an idiot. How could he even think about joining NATO when Russia was next to them? I thought he was so stupid that he thought that by joining NATO their country would become stronger against Russia. When Russia came to attack he sent his citizens to war? smh
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
come on he treated like 40% of his population like a scion subrace, he is a a nazi and it was an extremly corrupt government,
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
Oh God, imagine actually falling for Putin's NotSee excuse. Oh and don't make the excuse that Donbas was treated badly and other bullshit. They were having talks but those Russian rebels shot down a civilian plane and there's no doubt they commit more terrorism so the Ukrainian government have to act. This is standard procedure. When some nutjobs decided to besiege a city in my country the government had to put the entire region under martial law to deal with them.
The invasion was nothing else but an attempt to catch corrupt leadership? By this logic America's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and black ops in Pakistan without the Pakistani government's knowledge were totally justified... Of course it doesn't. Those invasions were uncalled for and so is this one.
He's a legend!
The president of Ukraine is a former comedy actor and he still joked when he was president. Distributing 18,000 weapons to civilians without training is tantamount to sacrificing the people for nothing.
In extreme situations that's what you do to survive.
Russians in WW2 were attaching explosives to dogs so that they'd run towards enemy tanks and explode. Women were fighting without any training, children were fighting. It was the same in China when Japan attacked. Chinese teenagers were fighting and dying to stop enemy forces. In occupied Poland kids were working as couriers, delivering orders to soldiers. Many died because Germans were targeting them to stop communication.
You don't need much training to shoot AK47 and throw grenades. Children in Iraq and Afghanistan proved it to the US military.
Sadly those kids are only heroes on the otherside. The Chinese kids who fights bak the Japanese are heroes for the China. The kids from Afghanistan are only heroes to Afghans just as kids from Iraq are heroes to Iraqis. The saddest part is that those who invaded them are also treated heroes in their land for dismanttling the so called terrorist.
Comedian or not, he fights back. But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security. Who are we going to consider hero in that situation?
The president of Ukraine is a former comedy actor and he still joked when he was president. Distributing 18,000 weapons to civilians without training is tantamount to sacrificing the people for nothing.
In extreme situations that's what you do to survive.
Russians in WW2 were attaching explosives to dogs so that they'd run towards enemy tanks and explode. Women were fighting without any training, children were fighting. It was the same in China when Japan attacked. Chinese teenagers were fighting and dying to stop enemy forces. In occupied Poland kids were working as couriers, delivering orders to soldiers. Many died because Germans were targeting them to stop communication.
You don't need much training to shoot AK47 and throw grenades. Children in Iraq and Afghanistan proved it to the US military.
The president of Ukraine is a former comedy actor and he still joked when he was president. Distributing 18,000 weapons to civilians without training is tantamount to sacrificing the people for nothing.
It's not madness to call on your citizens to fight. It's practically their duty (though of course you can't really force them). This is still a better stance than that coward of an Afghan president Ghani that fled even before the Taliban reached Kabul.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
come on he treated like 40% of his population like a scion subrace, he is a a nazi and it was an extremly corrupt government,
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
It's the western media that is showing him as a hero or savior of their people. A leader who cares about his people will try to save them from any damage. But I think he is trying to show the world that Russia is doing war crimes by killing civilians. Very selfish decision by a leader of the country.
in war neither side is innocent. both sides are acting selfishly, and in fact, the biggest loss and casualties are borne by ordinary people, who in essence did not even want war
About the Ukrainian president, if he fails in this business, he can always be an entertainer.
this: https://twitter.com/JovanMarkus/status/1497802581204254721
There are several angles in seeing this. Russian Army respects civilians and will not hurt them but arm forces only because they know it's a war crime.
https://ua.interfax.com.ua/news/general/802770.htmlWe can count this one out.
They don't care if it's a war crime. A family was shot on the street with parents and one child dead on site and 2 other children taken to hospital.
Even Vitalik knows how to handle Putin's trolls.
https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1498012161439932430
It's not madness to call on your citizens to fight. It's practically their duty (though of course you can't really force them). This is still a better stance than that coward of an Afghan president Ghani that fled even before the Taliban reached Kabul.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
come on he treated like 40% of his population like a scion subrace, he is a a nazi and it was an extremly corrupt government,
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
It's the western media that is showing him as a hero or savior of their people. A leader who cares about his people will try to save them from any damage. But I think he is trying to show the world that Russia is doing war crimes by killing civilians. Very selfish decision by a leader of the country.
It's not madness to call on your citizens to fight. It's practically their duty (though of course you can't really force them). This is still a better stance than that coward of an Afghan president Ghani that fled even before the Taliban reached Kabul.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
The USA was warning them for a long time that Russia will attack. Why don't he gives them basic training them that time? Why request them to pick up arms now!
It's not madness to call on your citizens to fight. It's practically their duty (though of course you can't really force them). This is still a better stance than that coward of an Afghan president Ghani that fled even before the Taliban reached Kabul.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
come on he treated like 40% of his population like a scion subrace, he is a a nazi and it was an extremly corrupt government,
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
It's not madness to call on your citizens to fight. It's practically their duty (though of course you can't really force them). This is still a better stance than that coward of an Afghan president Ghani that fled even before the Taliban reached Kabul.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
I'm very proud of him, you see that's how it should be at times good leaders lead from behind, but in the situation you need to show your strength and not run from your responsibility.
My countries president won't do this so I think he is my Champion, I think he is the first president I have seen at this.
Hopefully he wins at the end of the day, all of Ukraine fighting for their rights will surely win.
My countries president won't do this so I think he is my Champion, I think he is the first president I have seen at this.
Hopefully he wins at the end of the day, all of Ukraine fighting for their rights will surely win.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
I'm very proud of him, you see that's how it should be at times good leaders lead from behind, but in the situation you need to show your strength and not run from your responsibility.
My countries president won't do this so I think he is my Champion, I think he is the first president I have seen at this.
Hopefully he wins at the end of the day, all of Ukraine fighting for their rights will surely win.
My countries president won't do this so I think he is my Champion, I think he is the first president I have seen at this.
Hopefully he wins at the end of the day, all of Ukraine fighting for their rights will surely win.
Some Russian soldiers are turning back, they don't want to kill innocent civilians.
https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1497657141422968836
They don't want to participate in this blast from the past 'invasion'.
Kudos to them. Putin is probably losing it just about right now.
https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1497657141422968836
They don't want to participate in this blast from the past 'invasion'.
Kudos to them. Putin is probably losing it just about right now.
Great thing to see. There was a video of people doing the same thing with bigger tanks like T70, also standing in front of them and you could see that Russians did not want to run them over, but were asking them to move and trying to slowly push through the crowd. People are inherently good, just mislead at times, fearful and emotional.
There are some examples of bad people though, like the Chechens who attacked Ukraine for no reason. People who just were fighting with Russia went to kill in its name, but instead got themselves killed just hours after entering Ukraine. insteadhttps://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497709140549902339
I've read that Putin expected this to take up to 4 days before Zelensky flees and Kiev is taken.
There are several angles in seeing this. Russian Army respects civilians and will not hurt them but arm forces only because they know it's a war crime. Or they will see this as Zelensky using civilians as shields. Or the Russians really are afraid of the babushkas holding riffles.
If the Ukrainian really had bombed and destroyed tanks, that's good then put up a good fight and remove the civilians out there. Before Russian Army will have no choice but to spray bullets at them. Too bad the comedian President believes that NATO will really come to help them.
But once the US will intervene in this war, it's going to be WW3. Europe will not be pretty after that.
I don't think the EU is united to fight against Russia when in fact it's the West and Ukraine that cause this war.
This Soviet regime will be crushed by the civilized world. Sooner or later.
The tragedy is that a lot of innocent Russian soldiers will be killed for no reason other than grand delusions of a short Soviet apparatchik.
Earth to Putin: The year is 2022, not 1972.
Some Russian soldiers are turning back, they don't want to kill innocent civilians.
https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1497657141422968836
They don't want to participate in this blast from the past 'invasion'.
Kudos to them. Putin is probably losing it just about right now.
https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1497657141422968836
They don't want to participate in this blast from the past 'invasion'.
Kudos to them. Putin is probably losing it just about right now.
Great thing to see. There was a video of people doing the same thing with bigger tanks like T70, also standing in front of them and you could see that Russians did not want to run them over, but were asking them to move and trying to slowly push through the crowd. People are inherently good, just mislead at times, fearful and emotional.
There are some examples of bad people though, like the Chechens who attacked Ukraine for no reason. People who just were fighting with Russia went to kill in its name, but instead got themselves killed just hours after entering Ukraine. insteadhttps://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497709140549902339
I've read that Putin expected this to take up to 4 days before Zelensky flees and Kiev is taken.
There are several angles in seeing this. Russian Army respects civilians and will not hurt them but arm forces only because they know it's a war crime. Or they will see this as Zelensky using civilians as shields. Or the Russians really are afraid of the babushkas holding riffles.
If the Ukrainian really had bombed and destroyed tanks, that's good then put up a good fight and remove the civilians out there. Before Russian Army will have no choice but to spray bullets at them. Too bad the comedian President believes that NATO will really come to help them.
But once the US will intervene in this war, it's going to be WW3. Europe will not be pretty after that.
I don't think the EU is united to fight against Russia when in fact it's the West and Ukraine that cause this war.
Some Russian soldiers are turning back, they don't want to kill innocent civilians.
https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1497657141422968836
They don't want to participate in this blast from the past 'invasion'.
Kudos to them. Putin is probably losing it just about right now.
https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1497657141422968836
They don't want to participate in this blast from the past 'invasion'.
Kudos to them. Putin is probably losing it just about right now.
Great thing to see. There was a video of people doing the same thing with bigger tanks like T70, also standing in front of them and you could see that Russians did not want to run them over, but were asking them to move and trying to slowly push through the crowd. People are inherently good, just mislead at times, fearful and emotional.
There are some examples of bad people though, like the Chechens who attacked Ukraine for no reason. People who just were fighting with Russia went to kill in its name, but instead got themselves killed just hours after entering Ukraine. insteadhttps://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497709140549902339
I've read that Putin expected this to take up to 4 days before Zelensky flees and Kiev is taken.
Yes, too much false news from ukraniens general and western media. First CNN reported that the Russian navy slaughtered 13 Ukrainian armed personnel from the sneak island but today Russian media shows with proof they are not dead and there were 80 men on that island. Ukrainians are hiding their casualties. I saw a video clip where a full Ukraine convoy was destroyed and soldier flash is burning. Too little news about the actual events.
What about Russians who blocked social media so that people wouldn't spread videos of their equipment being destroyed?
What about a Russian news outlet that showed a list of Russian losses and then deleted everything?
Just watch the videos and pictures, don't focus on written news. You can't fake Russian tanks burning on streets and soldiers standing next to their vehicles that run out of fuel.
I've seen numerous artilery units from howitzers to mobile missile launch platforms abandoned. Of course Ukrainians are losing people too, but Russia was claiming to have one of the best armies in the world and that army is now leaving tons of scrap on roadsides.
Some Russian soldiers are turning back, they don't want to kill innocent civilians.
https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1497657141422968836
They don't want to participate in this blast from the past 'invasion'.
Kudos to them. Putin is probably losing it just about right now.
Here is a makeshift Molotov Cocktails factory. These Ukrainians are really ticked off, I am convinced they will kill all Russian aggressors,
no matter how many bombs Putin drops on them:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1497660332512354304
Yes, too much false news from ukraniens general and western media. First CNN reported that the Russian navy slaughtered 13 Ukrainian armed personnel from the sneak island but today Russian media shows with proof they are not dead and there were 80 men on that island. Ukrainians are hiding their casualties. I saw a video clip where a full Ukraine convoy was destroyed and soldier flash is burning. Too little news about the actual events.
What about Russians who blocked social media so that people wouldn't spread videos of their equipment being destroyed?
What about a Russian news outlet that showed a list of Russian losses and then deleted everything?
Just watch the videos and pictures, don't focus on written news. You can't fake Russian tanks burning on streets and soldiers standing next to their vehicles that run out of fuel.
I've seen numerous artilery units from howitzers to mobile missile launch platforms abandoned. Of course Ukrainians are losing people too, but Russia was claiming to have one of the best armies in the world and that army is now leaving tons of scrap on roadsides.
Offcourse he is patriot. He got offered help from US to leave country, but Zelensky refused. He sta in Ukraine, standing as true leader, doing everything for his country. When he was elected, I saw him only as popular comedian from TV shows, but now it's obvious that Ukraine didn't made mistake when they chose their president.
But that request to citizens to make Mlotov cocktails and attack occupants, I don't know... Ukraine army have limited resources and this request looks desperate attempt to hlp them. But I'm afraid that non-combatant with molotov can't do much damage to professional army and it will end with more deaths of civil people.
You're not wrong.
At least it is voluntary compliance and not a draft system, but I do see your point. Untrained soldiers going against the trained Russian military with better weaponry and tactics, it's asking for a death sentence. As pessimistic as it may be, Ukraine is better off conceding to Russia. They don't stand any chance against the Russian army without help from other countries, and they've received nothing. I don't get what Zelenskyy's end goal is here - how many Ukrainians need to die while Russia inevitably takes over the country.
Oddly seeing insurmountable pile of propaganda clips, some perhaps not even from the current events, with what appears to be Ukrainian forces either killing or displaying dead Russian soldiers. Gives the impression that the Ukrainians will not get slaughtered if this continues on.
Well, finally some Eurpean countries starting sending weapons, fuel and other aid to Ukraine, so, it's not true that they received nothing. Unfortunately, it's not enough.
And yeah, there is lot of fake news and old videos spreading, but I saw many fresh made videos with dead Russian tropps and their destroyed tanks, cars and BTR's. Ukraine have victims too...
But that request to citizens to make Mlotov cocktails and attack occupants, I don't know... Ukraine army have limited resources and this request looks desperate attempt to hlp them. But I'm afraid that non-combatant with molotov can't do much damage to professional army and it will end with more deaths of civil people.
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You're not wrong.
At least it is voluntary compliance and not a draft system, but I do see your point. Untrained soldiers going against the trained Russian military with better weaponry and tactics, it's asking for a death sentence. As pessimistic as it may be, Ukraine is better off conceding to Russia. They don't stand any chance against the Russian army without help from other countries, and they've received nothing. I don't get what Zelenskyy's end goal is here - how many Ukrainians need to die while Russia inevitably takes over the country.
Oddly seeing insurmountable pile of propaganda clips, some perhaps not even from the current events, with what appears to be Ukrainian forces either killing or displaying dead Russian soldiers. Gives the impression that the Ukrainians will not get slaughtered if this continues on.
And yeah, there is lot of fake news and old videos spreading, but I saw many fresh made videos with dead Russian tropps and their destroyed tanks, cars and BTR's. Ukraine have victims too...
BTW, I think he might be able to overrun and occupy the country, but for how long? Ukrainians will be killing them every chance they get a clean shot.
I think he started an unwinnable war.
Yes, Ukraine isn't going to give up. Maybe they will occupy Ukraine, but people will still resist. I think he started an unwinnable war.
That is why it is critical the West blocks him from SWIFT, and stops the oil and gas sales so that he will not have resources to fund his war.
NATO must establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine asap to avoid the genocide by the Soviet army.
That's the oldest trick in the book that helps to win wars but somehow, Putin doesn't give a shit about this and that sanction. At times, it feels Putin has been planning this for years and have put some resources to fund his war to some significant phase should we have a full fleshed war anytime but, we really hope not.NATO must establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine asap to avoid the genocide by the Soviet army.
Talking about what OP stated of Ukrainian president and arming untrained civilians aged 18-65, its a very complicated decision for him as well and we know this. Having a nation with a large force such as Russia at your back, you never get to think out your solution in a breath. It's not right, a lot of them are sure to be 'Heros' as is proposed of them but, they've hardly got a choice being left to themselves in this war.
Once the Russian elite and their families are not able to travel abroad, buy Western products, study abroad, have their "golden visas" and citizenships revoked, have their assets abroad confiscated, they will kill Putin for us.
He needs the West as much as the West needs his oil and gas.
BTW, I think he might be able to overrun and occupy the country, but for how long? Ukrainians will be killing them every chance they get a clean shot.
I think he started an unwinnable war.
That is why it is critical the West blocks him from SWIFT, and stops the oil and gas sales so that he will not have resources to fund his war.
NATO must establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine asap to avoid the genocide by the Soviet army.
That's the oldest trick in the book that helps to win wars but somehow, Putin doesn't give a shit about this and that sanction. At times, it feels Putin has been planning this for years and have put some resources to fund his war to some significant phase should we have a full fleshed war anytime but, we really hope not.NATO must establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine asap to avoid the genocide by the Soviet army.
Talking about what OP stated of Ukrainian president and arming untrained civilians aged 18-65, its a very complicated decision for him as well and we know this. Having a nation with a large force such as Russia at your back, you never get to think out your solution in a breath. It's not right, a lot of them are sure to be 'Heros' as is proposed of them but, they've hardly got a choice being left to themselves in this war.
Most 'patriots', in the common conception of the word, are 'mad men'. It's not an 'or' question.
The Ukrainian president is probably neither. Just a compromised dude hired by Victoria Nuland and her cronies to play a part in a script.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DjOVLDASgD8g/
We all know the president of Ukraine is still in Kyiv and he is urging his citizens to use Molotov to attack Russia. In this intense fight, he is still in the capital shows his patriotism or being forced to stay there for unable to flee the country? But isn't it madness to call your citizen to pick up arms before providing them any training? Ukraine govt distributed 18000 arms to its citizen.
Do you suggest it's better to stop?Guys, this war isn't typical war between Russia and Ukraine, this war will have significant effect on western world.
Let me clarify what's happening and what's the reason.
Ukraine wants to join European Union and NATO. They want to develop, they want high quality of life without corruption and nepotism. They don't want to be under the influence of the Russian government because Russia brings regress and Western countries bring progress. Have you ever been in Russian countries? The only cities where people really live are Moscow and Saints Peterburg, other cities are dead!
If Ukraine fails in this war, this means that countries like Ukraine (Moldova, Georgia) will be punished if they ever dream to become a member of a Western family. It means that they are and will always be under the claws of Russia.
Ukraine fights for its rights!
I am not suggesting anything. I am just concerned about the life of general Ukrainian. Their president is pushing them towards unnecessary death. I have seen the Russian arm force try to minimize civilian casualties for a couple of days. According to the geneva convention killing a non-combatant in a war is a war crime but as soon as these civilians pick up arms they won't be non-combatant. Russian troops will have an excuse to do a massacre.
We are talking about Ukrainian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians defending their country against foreign aggressors.
Putin will be fighting a guerrilla war for years. To subdue Ukraine he will have to kill 20M+ Ukrainians, and their descendants will always try to kill Soviets wherever they will see them.
I don't think the real invasion has started yet. Putin just dropped his special forces and light infantry gangs of insurgents. The real assault has not started yet, IMHO.
Right now, they want to destabilize the current government without an all-out assault on the infrastructure. But soon he will lose patience and move all 300-400K and start bombing the shit out of them.
That is why it is critical the West blocks him from SWIFT, and stops the oil and gas sales so that he will not have resources to fund his war.
NATO must establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine asap to avoid the genocide by the Soviet army.
You don't believe me? listen to the younger Klitschko (Russian-speaking Ukrainian).
https://twitter.com/i/status/1497573934295879685
He lost options but to show his people that he can die for the country. that's patriotism in a way. There is still another option and its to accept becoming neutral, Reject NATO and surrender before his men are slaughtered. And in the end, his people will hate him instead if more are dead. It's yet not too late since Putin still offers the negotiation table. It doesn't even matter whether Zelensky is right or wrong, he loves his people, better not let them be slaughtered.
What kind of love is this when you are calling your untrained civilians to pick up arms including under-aged children? He asks all the people to create Molotov and attack the Russian convoy. I saw videos where people are really doing it. That is total stupidity because that's not a protest with the govt where you are throwing rock and moltove to the armed forces. They will be slaughtered if Russian arms forces change their mind to be brutal punishers. Zelensky just wants to show Russia is doing war crimes by killing civilians and that is why he is trying to push civilians in front of the world's most trained arm forces.
Exactly, what difference is the situation in Afghanistan where the kids there are being trained to hold AK47?
This is why there should be a precise target for Russian otherwise they will be killing civilians but armed with Molotovs. It will be a slaughter and the news again on TVs is that Putin orders to kill civilians when the truth is that Zelensky armed them. But then again Zelensky didn't force them, these are civilian volunteers.
He lost options but to show his people that he can die for the country. that's patriotism in a way. There is still another option and its to accept becoming neutral, Reject NATO and surrender before his men are slaughtered. And in the end, his people will hate him instead if more are dead. It's yet not too late since Putin still offers the negotiation table. It doesn't even matter whether Zelensky is right or wrong, he loves his people, better not let them be slaughtered.
What kind of love is this when you are calling your untrained civilians to pick up arms including under-aged children? He asks all the people to create Molotov and attack the Russian convoy. I saw videos where people are really doing it. That is total stupidity because that's not a protest with the govt where you are throwing rock and moltove to the armed forces. They will be slaughtered if Russian arms forces change their mind to be brutal punishers. Zelensky just wants to show Russia is doing war crimes by killing civilians and that is why he is trying to push civilians in front of the world's most trained arm forces.
He lost options but to show his people that he can die for the country. that's patriotism in a way. There is still another option and its to accept becoming neutral, Reject NATO and surrender before his men are slaughtered. And in the end, his people will hate him instead if more are dead. It's yet not too late since Putin still offers the negotiation table. It doesn't even matter whether Zelensky is right or wrong, he loves his people, better not let them be slaughtered.
Oddly seeing insurmountable pile of propaganda clips, some perhaps not even from the current events, with what appears to be Ukrainian forces either killing or displaying dead Russian soldiers. Gives the impression that the Ukrainians will not get slaughtered if this continues on.
Yes, too much false news from ukraniens general and western media. First CNN reported that the Russian navy slaughtered 13 Ukrainian armed personnel from the sneak island but today Russian media shows with proof they are not dead and there were 80 men on that island. Ukrainians are hiding their casualties. I saw a video clip where a full Ukraine convoy was destroyed and soldier flash is burning. Too little news about the actual events.
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You're not wrong.
At least it is voluntary compliance and not a draft system, but I do see your point. Untrained soldiers going against the trained Russian military with better weaponry and tactics, it's asking for a death sentence. As pessimistic as it may be, Ukraine is better off conceding to Russia. They don't stand any chance against the Russian army without help from other countries, and they've received nothing. I don't get what Zelenskyy's end goal is here - how many Ukrainians need to die while Russia inevitably takes over the country.
Oddly seeing insurmountable pile of propaganda clips, some perhaps not even from the current events, with what appears to be Ukrainian forces either killing or displaying dead Russian soldiers. Gives the impression that the Ukrainians will not get slaughtered if this continues on.
We all know the president of Ukraine is still in Kyiv and he is urging his citizens to use Molotov to attack Russia. In this intense fight, he is still in the capital shows his patriotism or being forced to stay there for unable to flee the country? But isn't it madness to call your citizen to pick up arms before providing them any training? Ukraine govt distributed 18000 arms to its citizen.
Do you suggest it's better to stop?Guys, this war isn't typical war between Russia and Ukraine, this war will have significant effect on western world.
Let me clarify what's happening and what's the reason.
Ukraine wants to join European Union and NATO. They want to develop, they want high quality of life without corruption and nepotism. They don't want to be under the influence of the Russian government because Russia brings regress and Western countries bring progress. Have you ever been in Russian countries? The only cities where people really live are Moscow and Saints Peterburg, other cities are dead!
If Ukraine fails in this war, this means that countries like Ukraine (Moldova, Georgia) will be punished if they ever dream to become a member of a Western family. It means that they are and will always be under the claws of Russia.
Ukraine fights for its rights!
I am not suggesting anything. I am just concerned about the life of general Ukrainian. Their president is pushing them towards unnecessary death. I have seen the Russian arm force try to minimize civilian casualties for a couple of days. According to the geneva convention killing a non-combatant in a war is a war crime but as soon as these civilians pick up arms they won't be non-combatant. Russian troops will have an excuse to do a massacre.
We all know the president of Ukraine is still in Kyiv and he is urging his citizens to use Molotov to attack Russia. In this intense fight, he is still in the capital shows his patriotism or being forced to stay there for unable to flee the country? But isn't it madness to call your citizen to pick up arms before providing them any training? Ukraine govt distributed 18000 arms to its citizen.
Do you suggest it's better to stop?Guys, this war isn't typical war between Russia and Ukraine, this war will have significant effect on western world.
Let me clarify what's happening and what's the reason.
Ukraine wants to join European Union and NATO. They want to develop, they want high quality of life without corruption and nepotism. They don't want to be under the influence of the Russian government because Russia brings regress and Western countries bring progress. Have you ever been in Russian countries? The only cities where people really live are Moscow and Saints Peterburg, other cities are dead!
If Ukraine fails in this war, this means that countries like Ukraine (Moldova, Georgia) will be punished if they ever dream to become a member of a Western family. It means that they are and will always be under the claws of Russia.
Ukraine fights for its rights!
He is a patriot. Presidents are meant to show examples and that's what he's doing. Last night I saw him on military uniform. He's ready to die than to run.
During military campaign thier are emergency conscription into the army. And no body expected the Russians to attack suddenly. He is a hero.
During military campaign thier are emergency conscription into the army. And no body expected the Russians to attack suddenly. He is a hero.
We all know the president of Ukraine is still in Kyiv and he is urging his citizens to use Molotov to attack Russia. In this intense fight, he is still in the capital shows his patriotism or being forced to stay there for unable to flee the country? But isn't it madness to call your citizen to pick up arms before providing them any training? Ukraine govt distributed 18000 arms to its citizen.
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