Ukraine/Russia derail: Analysis never ends

Nemo1024

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Quote from: masterluc on August 09, 2014, 09:31:17 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on August 09, 2014, 09:15:44 PM

LMAO this putin dude surely knows his stuff:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-08/how-putins-advisor-sees-ukraine-crisis-playing-out

'MURICAAA Grin

1. Putin is not the one in Kremlin. There are different forces with different targets. Oftenly opposite targets.
2. Civil war in Ukraine is a mirror of hidden war inside Russia elites
3. Civil war in Ukraine doesn't serve to Ukraine national interests in any case. Actually it already burned Ukraine as independent international subject.
4. Civil war in Ukraine is targeted primary against EU and its interests - both by Russia and US. And against Russia by US.
5. EU are impotents. They absolutely have no independent position which serve their national interest. They serve US. And they will pay for this.
6. United nations will repeat fate of League of Nations. They actually do nothing they'd have to do. They will exist until Russia will remove chapter 15 point 4 from its constitution.

Ukraine will die, unfortunately. EU will be fucked up. US will step back. This would be start of the end of US.

This is the best "in a nutshell" summary of the situation presented. Ukraine may survive as two countries, but I cannot see people of the East and West living under the same roof after what is transpiring now. The real irony would be if Ukraine does survive as a loosely federative state - a form that was suggested right from the start and that people of the East asked for - it would mean that the whole bloody mess could have been avoided if only "the international community" took time to listened to Lavrov.

There is this lengthy reader comment:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-08/how-putins-advisor-sees-ukraine-crisis-playing-out#comment-5068514
Oh, my the guy is pessimistic, but he is absolutely onto something.

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Quote from: masterluc on August 09, 2014, 09:31:17 PM

5. EU are impotents. They absolutely have no independent position which serve their national interest. They serve US. And they will pay for this.

This is true and I am ashamed to be a citizen of the EU.

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Quote from: hdbuck on August 09, 2014, 09:15:44 PM

LMAO this putin dude surely knows his stuff:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-08/how-putins-advisor-sees-ukraine-crisis-playing-out

'MURICAAA Grin

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To further insulate its economy, Russia should abandon the use of the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency, according to Glazyev. Russia, which international reserves are the world’s fifth-biggest, needs to diversify its holdings to include China’s yuan, India’s rupee and Brazil’s real. “If a country aspires to reserve status for its currency, it should behave properly, and that isn’t the case today,” Glazyev said.

true

Kipsy89

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Relax!

Whoa, that picture of Putin riding a bear went through all the media, I remember that. Do you think it'll have any effect on Bitcoin? I mean, Bitcoin is all about bulls and bears. But a bear being controlled by Putin, like Harmon says, hahahahaha,.... I guess this is a joke, though!!!

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Honest 80s business!

Quote from: ssmc2 on August 10, 2014, 09:57:07 AM

Hahaha, so Putin really is bear! Or is he just riding a bear, meaning that he controls the bears? I don't know what to make of this? Does this mean 'invest' or rather not? Tell me what to do, anonymous internet people!

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Quote from: oda.krell on August 09, 2014, 09:29:53 AM

Quote from: sumantso on August 09, 2014, 08:41:52 AM

Quote from: Argwai96 on August 09, 2014, 02:40:19 AM

Quote from: masterluc on August 09, 2014, 12:17:57 AM

Quote from: JustAnotherSheep on August 08, 2014, 11:33:31 PM

Is there not also hidden bullish between bottom #1 ($380) and #2 ($400), and regular bullish between #2 and #3 ($340) Huh

Maybe they counteract each other and we will go sideways forever Cheesy

I think they already worked out

Any downside targets you are willing to share, masterluc? It's looking pretty bearish. Are we in for the full 3-year bear market? Undecided

Still wondering if the multi year bear scenario is going to play out. Any thoughts on these from our charters?

Depends on how you define 'bear scenario'. I can see us trading between 400 and 800 for another year (though I don't consider it very likely). That's "bearish" if you are part of the to da moon NOW crowd. On the other hand, I don't see much chance for a new correction low. Going back to low 500s: quite possible. High 400s: maybe. 300s: very unlikely imo, absent of some major news driven flash crash.

Thanks

By the bear scenario I meant prices on average will trend lower. lets see for a year how it pans out.

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But what about the price of bitcoin? What's going to happen to the price of bitcoin?!?!

I kid, I kid....

Huh

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Quote from: hdbuck on August 09, 2014, 09:46:04 PM

edit: what is "chapter 15 point 4 from its constitution"?

Its occupational act in Russian constitution injected by US in 1993.

http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-02.htm

15.4 The universally-recognized norms of international law and international treaties and agreements of the Russian Federation shall be a component part of its legal system. If an international treaty or agreement of the Russian Federation fixes other rules than those envisaged by law, the rules of the international agreement shall be applied.

After it will be removed, UN will not be needed. As it was needed only to control Russia by "international laws". Russia was last country who considered international laws.

Russia is an engry bear within chains. And chains are about to break. They will regret they offend this bear.

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Quote from: masterluc on August 09, 2014, 09:31:17 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on August 09, 2014, 09:15:44 PM

LMAO this putin dude surely knows his stuff:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-08/how-putins-advisor-sees-ukraine-crisis-playing-out

'MURICAAA Grin

1. Putin is not the one in Kremlin. There are different forces with different targets. Oftenly opposite targets.
2. Civil war in Ukraine is a mirror of hidden war inside Russia elites
3. Civil war in Ukraine doesn't serve to Ukraine national interests in any case. Actually it already burned Ukraine as independent international subject.
4. Civil war in Ukraine is targeted primary against EU and its interests - both by Russia and US. And against Russia by US.
5. EU are impotents. They absolutely have no independent position which serve their national interest. They serve US. And they will pay for this.
6. United nations will repeat fate of League of Nations. They actually do nothing they'd have to do. They will exist until Russia will remove chapter 15 point 4 from its constitution.

Ukraine will die, unfortunately. EU will be fucked up. US will step back. This would be start of the end of US.

Yea I'm really sorry for your country man Sad

Im in EU and am ashamed of how meaningless they have become, licking up murica's boots, deserving their own selfish interests first and at the depend of populations.
F^ck, i believe we live in biblical times. The world in 30-40 years will never be the same. I just hope technology will give us people the hedge over them powerfuls, instead of chaining us.

edit: what is "chapter 15 point 4 from its constitution"?

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Quote from: hdbuck on August 09, 2014, 09:15:44 PM

LMAO this putin dude surely knows his stuff:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-08/how-putins-advisor-sees-ukraine-crisis-playing-out

'MURICAAA Grin

1. Putin is not the one in Kremlin. There are different forces with different targets. Oftenly opposite targets.
2. Civil war in Ukraine is a mirror of hidden war inside Russia elites
3. Civil war in Ukraine doesn't serve to Ukraine national interests in any case. Actually it already burned Ukraine as independent international subject.
4. Civil war in Ukraine is targeted primary against EU and its interests - both by Russia and US. And against Russia by US.
5. EU are impotents. They absolutely have no independent position which serve their national interest. They serve US. And they will pay for this.
6. United nations will repeat fate of League of Nations. They actually do nothing they'd have to do. They will exist until Russia will remove chapter 15 point 4 from its constitution.

Ukraine will die, unfortunately. EU will be fucked up. US will step back. This would be start of the end of US.

hdbuck

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LMAO this putin dude surely knows his stuff:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-08/how-putins-advisor-sees-ukraine-crisis-playing-out

'MURICAAA Grin

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