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Quote from: G.Butrik on June 15, 2017, 01:51:43 PM

Dear Administration!

Could you please create Ukrainian local board?
I see that this question has been discussed here for a long time. However, in recent year, an increasing number of developers want to move their projects and Ukrainian language too. But this is not possible, due to the fact that the separate section for our language on the Forum is missing.

Previously, this language Forum was not so popular. But look now.
The proportion of users who communicate in Ukrainian is growing.

Please take this important decision and create for the Ukrainian local Board.

Really worthwhile arguments! It can also be mentioned that Ukraine is the biggest country in Europe! And not the most recent country in the world economy, perhaps a little activity at the forum is connected with ignorance of English among Ukrinets. So the branch would be relevant.

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I'd like to ask moderators to add Ukrainian local board. We really need it.

Ukraine is home to one of the largest bitcoin communities in Europe. Ukraine currently ranks among the top 10 countries in the world in terms of the number of global bitcoin nodes. So I think it isn't right that we don't have our local board here.

Grin

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I would very much like to see the Ukrainian local on this forum.

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The time of the Ukrainian language on the forum has risen!
I'm happy with decentralization!
I am for!

Thanks administrators and moderators for their support!

Чac yкpaїнcькoї мoви нa фopyмi нacтaв!
Я paдий бyдy дeцeнтpaлiзaцiї!
Я зa! +++!!!!

Дякyю - aдмiнicтpaтopaм тa мoдepaтopaм зa їxню пiдтpимкy!

Cheesy

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Most famous Ukrainian crypto - Karbowanec does not have its own thread in Ukrainian. What a shame.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/krb-1513025
As an ugly workaround, the russian board was hijacked with posts in Ukrainian. 340 (!!!) pages in one thread only.

How much is enough to be ENOUGH?
Please create dedicated Ukrainian board.

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One of the largest country in Europe and the country with a huge base of qualified IT outsource workers has no local board in this forum. It`s a pity. What ukrainians need to do for a own local board? Will we need to create much activity in one ukrainian topic? How much is needed? Talk about everything in one topic - it`s inconvenient.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 16, 2017, 06:51:29 PM

It looks that you need Ukrainian local biard only to make bounty campaigns translations.

No.

Quote from: LTU_btc on June 16, 2017, 06:51:29 PM

But I'm not sure is it active enough to create local board for Ukrainosns.

Because Ukrainian-speaking folks moved to other forums.

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Quote from: G.Butrik on June 15, 2017, 01:51:43 PM

Dear Administration!

Could you please create Ukrainian local board?
I see that this question has been discussed here for a long time. However, in recent year, an increasing number of developers want to move their projects and Ukrainian language too. But this is not possible, due to the fact that the separate section for our language on the Forum is missing.

Previously, this language Forum was not so popular. But look now.
The proportion of users who communicate in Ukrainian is growing.

Please take this important decision and create for the Ukrainian local Board.

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It looks that you need Ukrainian local board only to make bounty campaigns translations. I don't that's enough important reason to make local board. But Ukrainian thread is one of the most active topics on Other languages & locations board. But I'm not sure is it active enough to create local board for Ukrainosns.

G.Butrik

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Dear Administration!

Could you please create Ukrainian local board?
I see that this question has been discussed here for a long time. However, in recent year, an increasing number of developers want to move their projects and Ukrainian language too. But this is not possible, due to the fact that the separate section for our language on the Forum is missing.

Previously, this language Forum was not so popular. But look now.
The proportion of users who communicate in Ukrainian is growing.

Please take this important decision and create for the Ukrainian local Board.

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Add the Ukrainian local board.We need it.Alot of ukrainian community use this forum and wanna see the ukr threads

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Quote from: coolcoinz on January 18, 2017, 04:49:01 PM

Quote from: deisik on October 09, 2016, 12:32:06 PM

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Poland took back a part of Ukraine on the right (west) bank of the Dnieper river. I have a strong inclination to think that they wouldn't mind either (remember, "Polska od morza do morza" is still on the agenda, while there is no more Russian Empire to kick some asses). And no, I don't mean that what's left should go to Russia, God forbid that. Since right now Ukraine looks more like a failing state being governed directly and financed through the IMF by Washington, DC...

In other words, no Ukraine, no Ukrainian local board, as simple as it could possibly get

I don't think there's much love between Poland and Ukraine after the massacres in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

I know about those events but this is not a Politics&Society thread to discuss them here

There might not be great love between Ukrainians and Poles after all, but basically this discussion started with some dude claiming that the so-called Ukrainian language is much closer to Polish than Russian. This is highly debatable since I see many Ukrainians posting and even advertising their services in the Russian subforum here but I have yet to see anyone of them massively posting in the Polish one (yes, I checked)

Quote from: coolcoinz on January 18, 2017, 04:49:01 PM

I have no idea why a Russian votes against an Ukrainian board

Who do you refer to?

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I have no idea why a Russian votes against an Ukrainian board. Wink

Quote from: deisik on October 09, 2016, 12:32:06 PM

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Poland took back a part of Ukraine on the right (west) bank of the Dnieper river. I have a strong inclination to think that they wouldn't mind either (remember, "Polska od morza do morza" is still on the agenda, while there is no more Russian Empire to kick some asses). And no, I don't mean that what's left should go to Russia, God forbid that. Since right now Ukraine looks more like a failing state being governed directly and financed through the IMF by Washington, DC...

In other words, no Ukraine, no Ukrainian local board, as simple as it could possibly get

I don't think there's much love between Poland and Ukraine after the massacres in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

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It's a good idea, I need Ukrainian local board too

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Quote from: konovalets on October 09, 2016, 11:56:48 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 09, 2016, 09:03:51 AM

I highly doubt that. Because if you did, you would have known that the phrase you quoted as mine and even copyrighted as mine (which is rather strange per se since you try to make it look like Ukrainians don't understand Russian) is actually attributed to the emperor of Russia (and king of Poland, by the way), Alexander III. And, unlike you, I didn't call anyone personally imperialist or chauvinist here (let alone a "disgrace to humanity")...

You may want to think before you write what you think (which is telling, though)

Man, you wrote what you wrote and it doesn't matter was it quotation or not

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Poland took back a part of Ukraine on the right (west) bank of the Dnieper river. I have a strong inclination to think that they wouldn't mind either (remember, "Polska od morza do morza" is still on the agenda, while there is no more Russian Empire to kick some asses). And no, I don't mean that what's left should go to Russia, God forbid that. Since right now Ukraine looks more like a failing state being governed directly and financed through the IMF by Washington, DC...

In other words, no Ukraine, no Ukrainian local board, as simple as it could possibly get

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Quote from: deisik on October 09, 2016, 09:03:51 AM

I highly doubt that. Because if you did, you would have known that the phrase you quoted as mine and even copyrighted as mine (which is rather strange per se since you try to make it look like Ukrainians don't understand Russian) is actually attributed to the emperor of Russia (and king of Poland, by the way), Alexander III. And, unlike you, I didn't call anyone personally imperialist or chauvinist here (let alone a "disgrace to humanity")...

You may want to think before you write what you think (which is telling, though)

Man, you wrote what you wrote and it doesn't matter was it quotation or not.

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Quote from: konovalets on October 09, 2016, 07:53:14 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 09, 2016, 05:24:51 AM

Dude, this is not a politics thread, so you be advised to refrain from raising such topics here. Nevertheless, I guess you should first learn more about the concept of "Polska od morza do morza" ("Poland from Sea to Sea") before making personal attacks. I would like to ask the mods to lock this thread or move it to the Politics board, since it is evidently switching into the personal vendetta mode...

And then you claim that Ukrainians don't understand Russian

Of course it's not, but it was you who came here and started argue with very odd arguments. I've tried to explain you weakness of your logic in normal way, but now I see it was hopeless because you are obviously prejudiced.

I know about the concept of "Polska od morza do morza" much better than you do. Main question is about your support for such concepts. Your frankly wrote that you support it if Poland become part of Russian Empire. That's all we need to know about you in this topic, because in Russian Empire Ukrainian language was officially oppressed

I highly doubt that. Because if you did, you would have known that the phrase you quoted as mine and even copyrighted as mine (which is rather strange per se since you try to make it look like Ukrainians don't understand Russian) is actually attributed to the emperor of Russia (and king of Poland, by the way), Alexander III. And, unlike you, I didn't call anyone personally imperialist or chauvinist here (let alone a "disgrace to humanity")...

You may want to think before you write what you think (which is telling, though)

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Quote from: deisik on October 09, 2016, 05:24:51 AM

Dude, this is not a politics thread, so you be advised to refrain from raising such topics here. Nevertheless, I guess you should first learn more about the concept of "Polska od morza do morza" ("Poland from Sea to Sea") before making personal attacks. I would like to ask the mods to lock this thread or move it to the Politics board, since it is evidently switching into the personal vendetta mode...

And then you claim that Ukrainians don't understand Russian

Of course it's not, but it was you who came here and started argue with very odd arguments. I've tried to explain you weakness of your logic in normal way, but now I see it was hopeless because you are obviously prejudiced.

I know about the concept of "Polska od morza do morza" much better than you do. Main question is about your support for such concepts. Your frankly wrote that you support it if Poland become part of Russian Empire. That's all we need to know about you in this topic, because in Russian Empire Ukrainian language was officially oppressed.

So, no vendetta, man. Your arguments just irrelevant, that's all.

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Quote from: konovalets on October 09, 2016, 04:29:31 AM

As I told you before, your logic is very weak. But it's not a surprise as I see you are russian imperialist and shovinist:

Moжeт ли быть Beликaя Пoльшa oт мopя дo мopя? B cocтaвe Poccийcкoй импepии - xoть oт oкeaнa дo oкeaнa... Grin (c) deisik
Could it be the Great Poland from sea to sea? As part of the Russian Empire - even from ocean to ocean ... Grin (c) deisik Shocked

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6208481

It seems that you are total disgrace to the forum in particular and humanity in general.

Dude, this is not a politics thread, so you be advised to refrain from raising such topics here. Nevertheless, I guess you should first learn more about the concept of "Polska od morza do morza" ("Poland from Sea to Sea") before making personal attacks. I would like to ask the mods to lock this thread or move it to the Politics board, since it is evidently switching into the personal vendetta mode...

And then you claim that Ukrainians don't understand Russian

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Quote from: deisik on October 08, 2016, 02:18:01 PM

I suspect that when selecting between two migrant workers otherwise identical in their professional skills and abilities the absolute majority of employers will choose the one who doesn't need an interpreter. But you may, of course, choose to disagree...

And start to claim that Earth is flat and Elvis still alive

Sorry man, you still didn't get it. Those polacks know English of course, but in their daily life they use Polish and it's their right to do so.

Quote from: deisik on October 08, 2016, 02:18:01 PM

Quote from: konovalets on October 07, 2016, 11:36:35 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 07, 2016, 04:26:28 AM

When I say that Ukrainians perfectly well understand Russian (and this is one of the reasons why the Ukrainian board is not a priority)

This is wrong too. Even if a lot of Ukrainians understand Russian it doesn't mean that Ukrainian board is not a priority. It's obvious, isn't it?

It is obvious that the Ukrainian board is not a priority. You may rationalize that fact whichever way you like

As I told you before, your logic is very weak. But it's not a surprise as I see you are russian imperialist and shovinist:

Moжeт ли быть Beликaя Пoльшa oт мopя дo мopя? B cocтaвe Poccийcкoй импepии - xoть oт oкeaнa дo oкeaнa... Grin (c) deisik
Could it be the Great Poland from sea to sea? As part of the Russian Empire - even from ocean to ocean ... Grin (c) deisik Shocked

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6208481

It seems that you are total disgrace to the forum in particular and humanity in general.

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Quote from: konovalets on October 07, 2016, 11:36:35 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 07, 2016, 04:26:28 AM

Should I assume that the next thing you are going to say would be a claim that English and Irish on one side and Polish on the other are mutually intelligible? This is what follows from your words.

No, it doesn't. My point is that these things (language affinity and country of work migration) do not depend on each other. So all your next considerations are wrong

I suspect that when selecting between two migrant workers otherwise identical in their professional skills and abilities the absolute majority of employers will choose the one who doesn't need an interpreter. But you may, of course, choose to disagree...

And start to claim that Earth is flat and Elvis still alive

Quote from: konovalets on October 07, 2016, 11:36:35 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 07, 2016, 04:26:28 AM

When I say that Ukrainians perfectly well understand Russian (and this is one of the reasons why the Ukrainian board is not a priority)

This is wrong too. Even if a lot of Ukrainians understand Russian it doesn't mean that Ukrainian board is not a priority. It's obvious, isn't it?

It is obvious that the Ukrainian board is not a priority. You may rationalize that fact whichever way you like

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Quote from: deisik on October 07, 2016, 04:26:28 AM

Should I assume that the next thing you are going to say would be a claim that English and Irish on one side and Polish on the other are mutually intelligible? This is what follows from your words.

No, it doesn't. My point is that these things (language affinity and country of work migration) do not depend on each other. So all your next considerations are wrong.

Quote from: deisik on October 07, 2016, 04:26:28 AM

When I say that Ukrainians perfectly well understand Russian (and this is one of the reasons why the Ukrainian board is not a priority)

This is wrong too. Even if a lot of Ukrainians understand Russian it doesn't mean that Ukrainian board is not a priority. It's obvious, isn't it?

Quote from: deisik on October 07, 2016, 04:26:28 AM

, you start claiming that it is not so, and that Ukrainian is closer to Polish than to Russian. If you're okay with that, I see no reason why you should have any problem posting in the Polish thread then...

But I didn't see even a single post of yours there, while your buddy is actively posting in the Russian board at that

Please read carefully, I've never claimed such thing in this topic.

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Quote from: konovalets on October 07, 2016, 03:31:50 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 06, 2016, 03:42:18 AM

Quote from: konovalets on October 06, 2016, 03:13:53 AM

Sorry man, but it's not about language affinity. It's about visas and work permits. It was much easier to get work permit in Russia than in EU for Ukrainians and it still does. But last two years things started to change, Poland gave about 1 million work permits to Ukrainians in 2015. So, no pain

Then more power to you. The Polish board is already available, so, I assume, you can safely start posting there, all the while the Ukrainian board is not a priority. That would be quite logical, since Ukrainian is closer to Polish than to Russian, right? You might even want to substitute Roman letters for Cyrillic script to get even closer than that...

Personally, I would be happy to see you and your buddy posting in that board

Sorry man, but your logic is very weak. There are around 2 million polacks in UK and Ireland, but Polish board is here. Think about it when you will have some time.

Should I assume that the next thing you are going to say would be a claim that English and Irish on one side and Polish on the other are mutually intelligible? This is what follows from your words. But since the Polish board is already present here as you yourself seem to confirm, we can safely assume that this not the case. On the other hand, you yourself said that a lot of Ukrainians working in Russia today is due to the ease of getting worker visas, and not because of the similarities between the two languages, right? In this way, you have essentially stuck yourself between the upper and the nether millstone. When I say that Ukrainians understand Russian perfectly (and this is one of the reasons why the Ukrainian board is not a priority), you start claiming that it is not so, and that Ukrainian is closer to Polish than to Russian. If you're okay with that, I see no reason why you should have any problem posting in the Polish thread then...

But I didn't see even a single post of yours there, while your buddy is actively posting in the Russian board at that

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Quote from: deisik on October 06, 2016, 03:42:18 AM

Quote from: konovalets on October 06, 2016, 03:13:53 AM

Sorry man, but it's not about language affinity. It's about visas and work permits. It was much easier to get work permit in Russia than in EU for Ukrainians and it still does. But last two years things started to change, Poland gave about 1 million work permits to Ukrainians in 2015. So, no pain

Then more power to you. The Polish board is already available, so, I assume, you can safely start posting there, all the while the Ukrainian board is not a priority. That would be quite logical, since Ukrainian is closer to Polish than to Russian, right? You might even want to substitute Roman letters for Cyrillic script to get even closer than that...

Personally, I would be happy to see you and your buddy posting in that board

Sorry man, but your logic is very weak. There are around 2 million polacks in UK and Ireland, but Polish board is here. Think about it when you will have some time.

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Quote from: konovalets on October 06, 2016, 03:13:53 AM

Sorry man, but it's not about language affinity. It's about visas and work permits. It was much easier to get work permit in Russia than in EU for Ukrainians and it still does. But last two years things started to change, Poland gave about 1 million work permits to Ukrainians in 2015. So, no pain

Then more power to you. The Polish board is already available, so, I assume, you can safely start posting there, all the while the Ukrainian board is not a priority. That would be quite logical, since Ukrainian is closer to Polish than to Russian, right? You might even want to substitute Roman letters for Cyrillic script to get even closer than that...

Personally, I would be happy to see you and your buddy posting in that board

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Quote from: deisik on October 04, 2016, 08:33:41 AM

Quote from: akhavr on October 04, 2016, 01:53:20 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 03, 2016, 06:43:53 AM

Some go the EU countries, but the majority are still heading to Russia,

False.

You have to reconcile yourself with the facts, dude. I guess this paper published in June 2013 and financed by the EU (just in case) will cause a lot of pain down your ass. I don't know more recent data. On the other hand, I didn't make a thorough search either. But I don't think that figures did change much since then:

Sorry man, but it's not about language affinity. It's about visas and work permits. It was much easier to get work permit in Russia than in EU for Ukrainians and it still does. But last two years things started to change, Poland gave about 1 million work permits to Ukrainians in 2015. So, no pain.

But it doesn't matter in this thread. You can learn whatever language you want, don't tell other people what to do.

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Quote from: akhavr on September 28, 2016, 02:08:34 AM

Quote from: Gimpeline on September 27, 2016, 12:03:00 PM

since everyone understand English

Not the case for Ukraine.

And hate speech from Russian-speaking people just confirm the need for the Ukrainian local board, since **every** thread with Russians and Ukrainians will explode in flames, even on Meta subforum.

Just check few posts above, saying that there's no point in speaking Ukrainian, since everything will be Russia soon.

To be honest I think that BS.
I live in Germany half of the year.
many of them had Russian in school instead of English
Are you telling me that Ukraina have no second language in school?

Edit. Dont start threads with I'm from Ukraina and proud of it.. And you will be fine. No one will ever know you are from Ukraina

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I remember we Filipinos suggested to have our own section as well and it took almost a year before we've been approved. Maybe when they saw that our thread shows up every minute and so they figure there are lots of us here in the forum already.

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Quote from: akhavr on October 04, 2016, 01:53:20 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 03, 2016, 06:43:53 AM

Some go the EU countries, but the majority are still heading to Russia,

False.

You have to reconcile yourself with the facts, dude. I guess this paper published in June 2013 and financed by the EU (just in case) will cause a lot of pain down your ass. I don't know more recent data. On the other hand, I didn't make a thorough search either. But I don't think that figures did change much since then:

I've heard that a lot of young men have been hiding in Russia since conscription "waves" started in 2014

Quote from: akhavr on October 04, 2016, 01:53:20 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 03, 2016, 06:43:53 AM

not least due to the linguistic affinity between the languages, whether you like it or not.

"The linguistic affinity" between Polish and Ukrainian is much larger than between Ukrainian and Russian. Whether you like it or not

I would find it rather strange that a language from one regional subgroup (i.e. East Slavic languages, including Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian) would have more in common with a language from another subgroup (i.e. West Slavic languages, including Polish and Slovak). In any case, the Polish board is already here, so you should have no problem posting there, right? But I didn't find even a single post of yours in that board and quite a lot in the Russian one, lol. Still wanna talk about mutual intelligibility between the languages, or lack thereof?

Quote from: akhavr on October 04, 2016, 01:53:20 AM

And, please, stop bringing politics into a meta-technical thread.

No one talks about politics here except you and your buddy

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Quote from: deisik on October 03, 2016, 06:43:53 AM

Some go the EU countries, but the majority are still heading to Russia,

False.

Quote from: deisik on October 03, 2016, 06:43:53 AM

not least due to the linguistic affinity between the languages, whether you like it or not.

"The linguistic affinity" between Polish and Ukrainian is much larger than between Ukrainian and Russian. Whether you like it or not.

And, please, stop bringing politics into a meta-technical thread.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 27, 2016, 07:35:45 AM

Quote from: deisik on September 27, 2016, 07:15:10 AM

Even if they can't speak or at least understand Russian (which is highly dubious, to tell the truth, since Ukrainian is closer to Russian than London's cockney to the Queen's English), they should have started to learn it by now. Alternatively, they should have started learning Polish, English, German, whatever. Personally, I don't think that the Ukrainian board here would have a lot of popularity apart from a few committed Ukrainian nationalists. But that would be a total disgrace to the forum in particular and humanity in general...

No incitement of inter-ethnic discord has been intended when writing this post

Um, if you're talking about future then I believe it's a dumb move to learn Russian because Russia obviously become China within several next decades. So it's better to learn Chinese. But it doesn't matter in this topic. I hope moderators will take care about such irrelevant posts here.

Nope, I didn't mean anything along these lines, and I wasn't talking about the future, either. What I referred to follows from the fact that many working-age Ukrainians are leaving Ukraine in search of work. Some go the EU countries, but the majority are still heading to Russia, not least due to the linguistic affinity between the languages, whether you like it or not. Obviously, no one would be particularly interested in learning the Ukrainian language to communicate with migrant workers in any of these countries. That's why I said that learning the languages of the accepting countries is of vital necessity for many Ukrainians right now...

Just in case, I don't see many Belorussians here complaining about the lack of the Belorussian board (tbh, I have yet to see any)

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Quote from: Gimpeline on September 27, 2016, 12:03:00 PM

since everyone understand English

Not the case for Ukraine.

And hate speech from Russian-speaking people just confirm the need for the Ukrainian local board, since **every** thread with Russians and Ukrainians will explode in flames, even on Meta subforum.

Just check few posts above, saying that there's no point in speaking Ukrainian, since everything will be Russia soon.

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Quote from: akhavr on September 27, 2016, 01:44:37 AM

Quote from: Gimpeline on September 26, 2016, 02:08:32 PM

No point creating a special section for people that can use another if they want to. Politics is no reason what so ever

Sure, no point in having French section, since anyway, nearly all francophones can understand English, if they want to.

To be hones I agree. For example, I have never seen any reason for having my part of the world. Scandinavia as its own sub forum since everyone understand English

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Quote from: deisik on September 27, 2016, 07:15:10 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 27, 2016, 06:08:53 AM

Quote from: Gimpeline on September 26, 2016, 02:08:32 PM

Quote from: konovalets on September 23, 2016, 12:52:49 PM

Quote from: veleten on September 22, 2016, 12:15:57 AM

there is a simple explanation to this: 100% of ukrainians understand and can speak russian

It's not really true. About 30-35% of Ukrainians can't speak Russian on comfortable level. And it's about 15 millions of people. And as you mentioned above some people started to refuse to communicate in Russian because of the war. Yes, it's politically motivated but it's their right to do so.

Can't or won't?
No point creating a special section for people that can use another if they want to. Politics is no reason what so ever

Can't. If you go to the western part of Ukraine you will find out that 90% people don't speak russian and a lot of them don't understand it either. In central part it's 50/50. I think everybody understand but a lot of people use ukrainian in their daily life there. And even on the eastern part I know a lot of people use ukrainain instead of russian. If you're really interested in this I can give you couple of examples, but it's off-topic, you know

Even if they can't speak or at least understand Russian (which is highly dubious, to tell the truth, since Ukrainian is closer to Russian than London's cockney to the Queen's English), they should have started to learn it by now. Alternatively, they should have started learning Polish, English, German, whatever. Personally, I don't think that the Ukrainian board here would have a lot of popularity apart from a few committed Ukrainian nationalists. But that would be a total disgrace to the forum in particular and humanity in general...

No incitement of inter-ethnic discord has been intended when writing this post

Um, if you're talking about future then I believe it's a dumb move to learn Russian because Russia obviously become China within several next decades. So it's better to learn Chinese. But it doesn't matter in this topic. I hope moderators will take care about such irrelevant posts here.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 27, 2016, 06:08:53 AM

Quote from: Gimpeline on September 26, 2016, 02:08:32 PM

Quote from: konovalets on September 23, 2016, 12:52:49 PM

Quote from: veleten on September 22, 2016, 12:15:57 AM

there is a simple explanation to this: 100% of ukrainians understand and can speak russian

It's not really true. About 30-35% of Ukrainians can't speak Russian on comfortable level. And it's about 15 millions of people. And as you mentioned above some people started to refuse to communicate in Russian because of the war. Yes, it's politically motivated but it's their right to do so.

Can't or won't?
No point creating a special section for people that can use another if they want to. Politics is no reason what so ever

Can't. If you go to the western part of Ukraine you will find out that 90% people don't speak russian and a lot of them don't understand it either. In central part it's 50/50. I think everybody understand but a lot of people use ukrainian in their daily life there. And even on the eastern part I know a lot of people use ukrainain instead of russian. If you're really interested in this I can give you couple of examples, but it's off-topic, you know

Even if they can't speak or at least understand Russian (which is highly dubious, to tell the truth, since Ukrainian is closer to Russian than London's cockney to the Queen's English), they should have started to learn it by now. Alternatively, they should have started learning Polish, English, German, whatever. Personally, I don't think that the Ukrainian board here would have a lot of popularity apart from among a few committed Ukrainian nationalists (who would still end up using Russian between themselves). But that would be a total disgrace to the forum in particular and humanity in general...

No incitement of inter-ethnic discord has been intended when writing this post

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Quote from: Gimpeline on September 26, 2016, 02:08:32 PM

Quote from: konovalets on September 23, 2016, 12:52:49 PM

Quote from: veleten on September 22, 2016, 12:15:57 AM

there is a simple explanation to this: 100% of ukrainians understand and can speak russian

It's not really true. About 30-35% of Ukrainians can't speak Russian on comfortable level. And it's about 15 millions of people. And as you mentioned above some people started to refuse to communicate in Russian because of the war. Yes, it's politically motivated but it's their right to do so.

Can't or won't?
No point creating a special section for people that can use another if they want to. Politics is no reason what so ever

Can't. If you go to the western part of Ukraine you will find out that 90% people don't speak russian and a lot of them don't understand it either. In central part it's 50/50. I think everybody understand but a lot of people use ukrainian in their daily life there. And even on the eastern part I know a lot of people use ukrainain instead of russian. If you're really interested in this I can give you couple of examples, but it's off-topic, you know.

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Quote from: Gimpeline on September 26, 2016, 02:08:32 PM

No point creating a special section for people that can use another if they want to. Politics is no reason what so ever

Sure, no point in having French section, since anyway, nearly all francophones can understand English, if they want to.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 23, 2016, 12:52:49 PM

Quote from: veleten on September 22, 2016, 12:15:57 AM

there is a simple explanation to this: 100% of ukrainians understand and can speak russian

It's not really true. About 30-35% of Ukrainians can't speak Russian on comfortable level. And it's about 15 millions of people. And as you mentioned above some people started to refuse to communicate in Russian because of the war. Yes, it's politically motivated but it's their right to do so.

Can't or won't?
No point creating a special section for people that can use another if they want to. Politics is no reason what so ever

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Quote from: veleten on September 22, 2016, 12:15:57 AM

there is a simple explanation to this: 100% of ukrainians understand and can speak russian

It's not really true. About 30-35% of Ukrainians can't speak Russian on comfortable level. And it's about 15 millions of people. And as you mentioned above some people started to refuse to communicate in Russian because of the war. Yes, it's politically motivated but it's their right to do so.

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Hello! I represent one more cryptocommunity in Ukraine and we are also going to ask to create Ukrainian board, cause here we have currently real growth. Thx to moders. Wink

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Quote from: veleten on September 22, 2016, 12:15:57 AM

with things starting to get worse in 2014 when the Crimea peninsula declared independance from Ukraine

s/declared independance from Ukraine/Occupied by Russian special forces as said on TV by Russian Federation president Putin/

And **you're** bringing politics into this thread now.

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there is a simple explanation to this: 100% of ukrainians understand and can speak russian
100% of russians understand ukrainian but not all of them can and want to speak ukrainian
historically it has always been same country (USSR),with the Soviet Union collapse,Ukraine got its independence in 1991
since that time the country gradually adopted anti-russian stance,with things starting to get worse in 2014 when the Crimea peninsula declared independance from Ukraine(preceeded by the coup-de-etat in the country,which saw the president got overthrown and fled)
Ukraine claims Russia ocupied part of its territory,Russia claims the referendum was according to the international law.

Low ukrainian thread activity was due to the fact that none in their right mind would cut their audience by using ukrainian instead of russian language,there was simply no need for that
nowadays some of the ukrainians refuse to communicate in russian because they think Russia is their worst enemy
it has nothing to do with cryptocurrency per se,just politicing in its best (or worst)

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Quote from: akhavr on September 20, 2016, 02:56:43 AM

That's exactly because there's no specific Ukrainian board, and it's hard to discuss several topics in a single thread.

Tough? If you can get enough activity in your thread then you will be more likely to be given your own sub-forum. Not posting in your thread doesn't help matters whatsoever.

Quote from: akhavr on September 20, 2016, 02:56:43 AM

And when I reply in Ukrainian (or in English) on Russian board, I end being criticised and post - deleted. You can guess what would happen if I'd reply in Ukrainian in English thread..

That's understandable. I wouldn't be allowed to post French in a Spanish thread, the same concept applies.

Quote from: akhavr on September 20, 2016, 02:56:43 AM

So, there's not enough activity in Ukrainian **exactly** because there's no place to have it. And I'd much better to discuss cryptostuff in my native language than in English or Russian.

You have two options. You can post in the Ukrainian thread to generate activity to show you deserve a sub-board, or you can stay in the Russian/English boards and speak their respective languages.

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Quote from: Lutpin on September 19, 2016, 04:47:15 AM

Discussion like the one going (very very slow) in the local thread up there.

That's exactly because there's no specific Ukrainian board, and it's hard to discuss several topics in a single thread.

And, yes, most of us speak Russian. And when I reply in Ukrainian (or in English) on Russian board, I end being criticised and post - deleted. You can guess what would happen if I'd reply in Ukrainian in English thread..

So, there's not enough activity in Ukrainian **exactly** because there's no place to have it. And I'd much better to discuss cryptostuff in my native language than in English or Russian.

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Quote from: Lauda on September 20, 2016, 01:12:36 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 20, 2016, 12:59:17 AM

As you see, there is a demand for Ukrainian local board, so if more activity in Ukrainian topic is the main requirement, so ok, I think I will be able to gather people together and you will see more activity within next month than in last two years.

It is really hard to get a group of people to post "I need/want X" on Bitcointalk. This demand is still far from adequate and it doesn't justify a section. If you're able to activate the Ukrainian community first within the respective thread that they currently have, then it should work out in the near future.

Ok, I consider it won't be very hard. My senses talk me that critical mass is already there.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 20, 2016, 12:59:17 AM

As you see, there is a demand for Ukrainian local board, so if more activity in Ukrainian topic is the main requirement, so ok, I think I will be able to gather people together and you will see more activity within next month than in last two years.

It is really hard to get a group of people to post "I need/want X" on Bitcointalk. This demand is still far from adequate and it doesn't justify a section. If you're able to activate the Ukrainian community first within the respective thread that they currently have, then it should work out in the near future.

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Quote from: Lauda on September 19, 2016, 04:47:11 PM

Quote from: yubit on September 19, 2016, 04:10:20 PM

Moderators,

please create separate section for Ukrainian language in Bitcoin Forum > Local
Then community will available to create different threads and child boards

We need it

It was already explained, several times and by several members, why that isn't true and that it's not likely going to happen. Have you even read a single post in this thread? I highly doubt that you did.

As you see, there is a demand for Ukrainian local board, so if more activity in Ukrainian topic is the main requirement, so ok, I think I will be able to gather people together and you will see more activity within next month than in last two years.

So please don't be so skeptical about it.

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Yes, I need Ukrainian local board

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Quote from: yubit on September 19, 2016, 04:10:20 PM

Moderators,

please create separate section for Ukrainian language in Bitcoin Forum > Local
Then community will available to create different threads and child boards

We need it

It was already explained, several times and by several members, why that isn't true and that it's not likely going to happen. Have you even read a single post in this thread? I highly doubt that you did.

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Moderators,

please create separate section for Ukrainian language in Bitcoin Forum > Local

Then community will available to create different threads and child boards

We need it

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Quote from: Lauda on September 19, 2016, 11:08:56 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 07:59:56 AM

Is it allowed to have several language topics in "Other languages" section? For example one topic for markets, one topic for news and one general topic?

No, you should not do that. All the discussion should be taking place within the singular thread until such time has come where there's a need for a separate section. Then, and only then will you be able to create multiple threads about differentiating topics in that language.

Thank you for explanation.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 07:59:56 AM

Is it allowed to have several language topics in "Other languages" section? For example one topic for markets, one topic for news and one general topic?

No, you should not do that. All the discussion should be taking place within the singular thread until such time has come where there's a need for a separate section. Then, and only then will you be able to create multiple threads about differentiating topics in that language.

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It's a good idea, I need Ukrainian local board too

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Quote from: Frij on September 19, 2016, 06:29:11 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 06:04:32 AM

Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?

Significantly more than you currently have. If you look on the Boards breakdown, you can see that almost all boards have several thousand posts (with the exception of Korea). This is significantly more activity than the Ukraine seems to have.

In addition, AFAIK it helps if you have a trusted user who fully understands the rules and how to enforce them (E.G with a significant amount of reports) to moderate the section. I am doubtful that either aiwe or yourself fit that quota.

Ok, I think you know rules better than I so I have a question: Is it allowed to have several language topics in "Other languages" section? For example one topic for markets, one topic for news and one general topic?

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 04:43:19 AM

I'd like to ask moderators to add Ukrainian local board. We really need it.

Ukraine is home to one of the largest bitcoin communities in Europe. Ukraine currently ranks among the top 10 countries in the world in terms of the number of global bitcoin nodes. So I think it isn't right that we don't have our local board here.

Yes, I need Ukrainian local board

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Quote from: aiwe on September 19, 2016, 07:09:02 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:42:53 AM

Quote from: Lutpin on September 19, 2016, 05:36:25 AM

I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too

No thanks

This is Ukrainian's problem in general I think. They sit on other boards and threads like Russian, Polish, English. They tend to respond in Russian language when someone starts talking in Russian to them even if they know for sure that their interlocutor at lest perfectly understands Ukrainian. This is changing but too slowly. Since all understand Russian and a lot of users use Russian in daily life they naturally write in Russian board. Even I respond in Russian thread but I have to maintain currency, help people etc. By the way a lot of users there are indeed from Ukraine. But this is more linguistic than locality problem. I guess Russian is treated as Russian language board not Russia country board. I suspect that even if mods will open Ukraininan board there would be more posts and threads in Russian language

I wish I prove wrong.

No offences nor fud or hate intended. Just my thoughts.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about but it's time to change it.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:42:53 AM

Quote from: Lutpin on September 19, 2016, 05:36:25 AM

I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too

No thanks

This is Ukrainian's problem in general I think. They sit on other boards and threads like Russian, Polish, English. They tend to respond in Russian language when someone starts talking in Russian to them even if they know for sure that their interlocutor at lest perfectly understands Ukrainian. This is changing but too slowly. Since all understand Russian and a lot of users use Russian in daily life they naturally write in Russian board. Even I respond in Russian thread but I have to maintain currency, help people etc. By the way a lot of users there are indeed from Ukraine. But this is more linguistic than locality problem. I guess Russian is treated as Russian language board not Russia country board. I suspect that even if mods will open Ukraininan board there would be more posts and threads in Russian language

I wish I prove wrong.

No offences nor fud or hate intended. Just my thoughts.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 06:04:32 AM

Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?

Significantly more than you currently have. If you look on the Boards breakdown, you can see that almost all boards have several thousand posts (with the exception of Korea). This is significantly more activity than the Ukraine seems to have.

In addition, AFAIK it helps if you have a trusted user who fully understands the rules and how to enforce them (E.G with a significant amount of reports) to moderate the section. I am doubtful that either aiwe or yourself fit that quota.

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Serbian topic is much older than Ukrainian and recent activity is much lower. Pakistan is better, but recent activity is lower than in Ukrainian too. So i think it's not very good measure of activity.

And as I wrote before a lot of ukrainains are bilingual and now russian, so people often use russian board, see KRB thread for example, but when I wrote some post in ukrainain there some russian speaker become upset because he didn't understand me.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 06:04:32 AM

Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?

There isn't a fixed number. However, if you take a look within the "Other languages/locations" section, you will find that there are threads which have much more activity/posts in comparison to the Ukranian one. The current top three are: Serbian, Pakistani, Slovenia with 1180+, 980+, 818+ posts respectively. In comparison, the Ukrainian one has 420+.

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Quote from: Lauda on September 19, 2016, 05:58:35 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:42:53 AM

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

As pointed out above by Lutpin, you first need to have an adequate amount of activity in the Ukrainian thread in order to justify the creation of yet another board. As it currently stands, this isn't the case.

Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:42:53 AM

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

As pointed out above by Lutpin, you first need to have an adequate amount of activity in the Ukranian thread in order to justify the creation of yet another board. As it currently stands, this isn't the case.

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:42:53 AM

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too

I don't see that happening.

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Quote from: Lutpin on September 19, 2016, 05:36:25 AM

I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:34:29 AM

Quote from: aiwe on September 19, 2016, 05:28:50 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:20:11 AM

I can be a board moderator

Better ask some hero member

I can become a hero member, it's not a problem

I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?

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Quote from: aiwe on September 19, 2016, 05:28:50 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:20:11 AM

I can be a board moderator

Also I can bring new ukrainian speaking users from Facebook.

Better ask some hero member

I can become a hero member, it's not a problem Cheesy

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:20:11 AM

I can be a board moderator

Also I can bring new ukrainian speaking users from Facebook.

Better ask some hero member

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I can be a board moderator

Also I can bring new ukrainian speaking users from Facebook.

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At least one thread I promise to create and maintain, namely for Karbowanec KRB Ukrainian cryptocurency.

I think a lot of users reside in Russian section just because there's no Ukrainian.

Edit. Alternatively moderator can move this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15017236 and corresponding replies to new thread if Ukrainian board will be created.

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Quote from: Lutpin on September 19, 2016, 04:47:15 AM

The Ukrainan local thread[1] currently got a total of 22 pages in over 3 years, with 3 posts being made today and 14 this month.

[1] Українська (Ukrainian) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ukrainian-236982

Yes, but look at this topic about ukrainian crypto in russian local board:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/krb-1513025

and it has 36 pages within three months.

It's very inconvenient to use one topic for everything, news , new crypto events, etc. Because a lot of ukrainian know russian we often use russian local board. But it doesn't mean that we like things going this way.

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Goodbye, Z.

The Ukrainan local thread[1] currently got a total of 22 pages in over 3 years, with 3 posts being made today and 14 this month.

[1] Українська (Ukrainian) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ukrainian-236982

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 04:43:19 AM

Ukraine currently ranks among the top 10 countries in the world in terms of the number of global bitcoin nodes.

According to bitnodes.21.co there are currently 45 online nodes in the Ukraine, making it #15 (as a comparison, Germany currently holds a total of 850 nodes and the #1 is placed at 1373).
Taking that aside, hosting nodes has nothing to do whether or not there is the need for a local board.
What good does it if there's a local board added and it ends up being an abandoned place. Discussion is a far better indicator on whether or not there should be a local board.

Discussion like the one going (very very slow) in the local thread up there.

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I'd like to ask moderators to add Ukrainian local board. We really need it.

Ukraine is home to one of the largest bitcoin communities in Europe. Ukraine currently ranks among the top 10 countries in the world in terms of the number of global bitcoin nodes. So I think it isn't right that we don't have our local board here.

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