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March 29, 2013, 01:01:52 PM
#67
I have seen those guys in combat and they run from gunfire.

I need to see a video of you actually watching them running from gun fire..... or it didn't happen LOL
haha. I don't have video of it. But tonight I will check to see if can find some of me running away. I did a lot of running away in the Balkans and elsewhere. But in all seriousness, the troops I met there were not eager to fight. Now the Guatemalans, they were batshit-crazy to mix it up. Real warriors (unlike me) run toward the sound of gunfire.    


Remind of something, but didnt US troops fleed Somalia, Lost Viethnam war, well any war that wasnt based on using cruise missile and war fought from few K miles? How many times US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan?
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March 27, 2013, 12:32:13 AM
#66
People have lost the rational debate on this topic. So they try to use fallacies or non sequiturs or emotional arguments instead.

I agree, but perhaps, things need to "come out from within" before they will be "solved from with out"
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March 26, 2013, 11:46:13 PM
#65
People have lost the rational debate on this topic. So they try to use fallacies or non sequiturs or emotional arguments instead.
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March 26, 2013, 11:42:48 PM
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March 26, 2013, 11:25:00 PM
#63
Thus the importance of discerning how each contributes to the economy. Let's try this again. Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?

I don't think anyone is looking at a gun ban based on its effect on the economy.  Gun Ban discussions are usually centered on 'Guns are necessary for safety and protection' vs. 'Banning guns would reduce the gun homicide rate'.

I think anyone who makes the absurd comment "Well then let's ban cars because cars can kill people!" needs to address the questions I asked. If you want to make such statements, then you do need to answer those questions. If not, others still do.
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March 26, 2013, 05:59:16 PM
#62
Thus the importance of discerning how each contributes to the economy. Let's try this again. Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?

I don't think anyone is looking at a gun ban based on its effect on the economy.  Gun Ban discussions are usually centered on 'Guns are necessary for safety and protection' vs. 'Banning guns would reduce the gun homicide rate'.

Yes, but he knows he's lost that debate, so he tries to set up a straw-man argument which thinks he can win.
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March 26, 2013, 05:51:54 PM
#61
Thus the importance of discerning how each contributes to the economy. Let's try this again. Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?

I don't think anyone is looking at a gun ban based on its effect on the economy.  Gun Ban discussions are usually centered on 'Guns are necessary for safety and protection' vs. 'Banning guns would reduce the gun homicide rate'.
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March 26, 2013, 02:40:03 PM
#60
Since you don't get it, go back and read the facts presented to you over the last 20 posts or so. Open your eyes and stop trying to paint opinions and use vague words to try and bolster your losing position.

Which position is that? That despite extremely low crime rates, the Japanese live in fear, while despite high crime rates, I do not?

Doesn't seem like a losing one to me.

Consider this. I don't live in fear and I don't have a gun, carry a gun, or want a gun. I live in the United States where the murder rate is 10 times that of Japan, and the incarceration rate is 15 times that of Japan.

You, on the other hand, are such a coward, that you would like to try and paint a picture where not only would the average person need to have a gun here in the U.S., but in Japan as well.

On the contrary, I am not afraid of the average person having that gun, whereas you are. I see no need to fear a gun in the hands of a law-abiding person, yet you would like to take it away from them. That, to me, smacks of fear. Fairly reeks of it, in fact.

Methinks all this calling me a coward is you projecting.

You still have not answered me, by the way, on whether or not you would post this sign outside your home:


If so, I'd love to see a pic of the front of your house with that posted. Show us how truly free of fear you are. If you would not, why not?
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March 26, 2013, 02:22:33 PM
#59
Since you don't get it, go back and read the facts presented to you over the last 20 posts or so. Open your eyes and stop trying to paint opinions and use vague words to try and bolster your losing position.

Which position is that? That despite extremely low crime rates, the Japanese live in fear, while despite high crime rates, I do not?

Doesn't seem like a losing one to me.

Consider this. I don't live in fear and I don't have a gun, carry a gun, or want a gun. I live in the United States where the murder rate is 10 times that of Japan, and the incarceration rate is 15 times that of Japan.

You, on the other hand, are such a coward, that you would like to try and paint a picture where not only would the average person need to have a gun here in the U.S., but in Japan as well.
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March 26, 2013, 02:12:19 PM
#58
Since you don't get it, go back and read the facts presented to you over the last 20 posts or so. Open your eyes and stop trying to paint opinions and use vague words to try and bolster your losing position.

Which position is that? That despite extremely low crime rates, the Japanese live in fear, while despite high crime rates, I do not?

Doesn't seem like a losing one to me.
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March 26, 2013, 02:04:50 PM
#57
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese.

Article title:
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Fearing Crime, Japanese Wear the Hiding Place

Caption of the above picture:
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Though street crime is relatively low in Japan, quirky camouflage designs like this vending-machine dress are being offered to an increasingly anxious public to hide from would-be assailants.

From the article:
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These elaborate defenses are coming at a time when crime rates are actually declining in Japan. But the Japanese, sensitive to the slightest signs of social fraying, say they feel growing anxiety about safety, fanned by sensationalist news media.

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While Americans want to protect themselves from criminals, or even strike back, the creators say many Japanese favor camouflage and deception, reflecting a culture that abhors self-assertion, even in self-defense.

It is just easier for Japanese to hide,” Ms. Tsukioka said. “Making a scene would be too embarrassing.” She said her vending machine disguise was inspired by a trick used by the ancient ninja, who cloaked themselves in black blankets at night.
(all emphasis mine)

This must be the passage you were referring to:
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However, the fact that they were greeted here with straight faces, or even appeared at all, underscores another, less appreciated facet of Japanese society: its fondness for oddball ideas and inventions.

Some other "oddball inventions" with this sort of purpose in mind:
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A pair of women’s sunglasses has wraparound lenses so dark no one can see where the wearer is looking. These are intended to scare off sexual harassers on Tokyo’s crowded trains, where the groping of women is a constant problem.

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For children, she has a backpack that transforms into a Japanese-style fire hydrant, hiding the child. The “manhole bag” was also her idea.

Gotta love how you can read an entire article, and only come away with the one sentence that supports your preconceptions. Amazing blinder-fu.

Thank you immensely for all those quotes. Every fuckin' one of them supports my point.



Since you don't get it, go back and read the facts presented to you over the last 20 posts or so. Open your eyes and stop trying to paint opinions and use vague words to try and bolster your losing position.

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March 26, 2013, 01:52:12 PM
#56
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese.

Article title:
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Fearing Crime, Japanese Wear the Hiding Place

Caption of the above picture:
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Though street crime is relatively low in Japan, quirky camouflage designs like this vending-machine dress are being offered to an increasingly anxious public to hide from would-be assailants.

From the article:
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These elaborate defenses are coming at a time when crime rates are actually declining in Japan. But the Japanese, sensitive to the slightest signs of social fraying, say they feel growing anxiety about safety, fanned by sensationalist news media.

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While Americans want to protect themselves from criminals, or even strike back, the creators say many Japanese favor camouflage and deception, reflecting a culture that abhors self-assertion, even in self-defense.

It is just easier for Japanese to hide,” Ms. Tsukioka said. “Making a scene would be too embarrassing.” She said her vending machine disguise was inspired by a trick used by the ancient ninja, who cloaked themselves in black blankets at night.
(all emphasis mine)

This must be the passage you were referring to:
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However, the fact that they were greeted here with straight faces, or even appeared at all, underscores another, less appreciated facet of Japanese society: its fondness for oddball ideas and inventions.

Some other "oddball inventions" with this sort of purpose in mind:
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A pair of women’s sunglasses has wraparound lenses so dark no one can see where the wearer is looking. These are intended to scare off sexual harassers on Tokyo’s crowded trains, where the groping of women is a constant problem.

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For children, she has a backpack that transforms into a Japanese-style fire hydrant, hiding the child. The “manhole bag” was also her idea.

Gotta love how you can read an entire article, and only come away with the one sentence that supports your preconceptions. Amazing blinder-fu.

Thank you immensely for all those quotes. Every fuckin' one of them supports my point.

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March 26, 2013, 01:47:18 PM
#55
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese.

Article title:
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Fearing Crime, Japanese Wear the Hiding Place

Caption of the above picture:
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Though street crime is relatively low in Japan, quirky camouflage designs like this vending-machine dress are being offered to an increasingly anxious public to hide from would-be assailants.

From the article:
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These elaborate defenses are coming at a time when crime rates are actually declining in Japan. But the Japanese, sensitive to the slightest signs of social fraying, say they feel growing anxiety about safety, fanned by sensationalist news media.

Quote
While Americans want to protect themselves from criminals, or even strike back, the creators say many Japanese favor camouflage and deception, reflecting a culture that abhors self-assertion, even in self-defense.

It is just easier for Japanese to hide,” Ms. Tsukioka said. “Making a scene would be too embarrassing.” She said her vending machine disguise was inspired by a trick used by the ancient ninja, who cloaked themselves in black blankets at night.
(all emphasis mine)

This must be the passage you were referring to:
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However, the fact that they were greeted here with straight faces, or even appeared at all, underscores another, less appreciated facet of Japanese society: its fondness for oddball ideas and inventions.

Some other "oddball inventions" with this sort of purpose in mind:
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A pair of women’s sunglasses has wraparound lenses so dark no one can see where the wearer is looking. These are intended to scare off sexual harassers on Tokyo’s crowded trains, where the groping of women is a constant problem.

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For children, she has a backpack that transforms into a Japanese-style fire hydrant, hiding the child. The “manhole bag” was also her idea.

Gotta love how you can read an entire article, and only come away with the one sentence that supports your preconceptions. Amazing blinder-fu.

Thank you immensely for all those quotes. Every fuckin' one of them supports my point.
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March 26, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
#54
Why is it that politics are all that is needed for me to find out who the stupid ones are?

I don't think you've found out who the stupid ones are. Witness your own non content bearing posts here.
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March 26, 2013, 01:42:48 PM
#53
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese.

Article title:
Quote
Fearing Crime, Japanese Wear the Hiding Place

Caption of the above picture:
Quote
Though street crime is relatively low in Japan, quirky camouflage designs like this vending-machine dress are being offered to an increasingly anxious public to hide from would-be assailants.

From the article:
Quote
These elaborate defenses are coming at a time when crime rates are actually declining in Japan. But the Japanese, sensitive to the slightest signs of social fraying, say they feel growing anxiety about safety, fanned by sensationalist news media.

Quote
While Americans want to protect themselves from criminals, or even strike back, the creators say many Japanese favor camouflage and deception, reflecting a culture that abhors self-assertion, even in self-defense.

It is just easier for Japanese to hide,” Ms. Tsukioka said. “Making a scene would be too embarrassing.” She said her vending machine disguise was inspired by a trick used by the ancient ninja, who cloaked themselves in black blankets at night.
(all emphasis mine)

This must be the passage you were referring to:
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However, the fact that they were greeted here with straight faces, or even appeared at all, underscores another, less appreciated facet of Japanese society: its fondness for oddball ideas and inventions.

Some other "oddball inventions" with this sort of purpose in mind:
Quote
A pair of women’s sunglasses has wraparound lenses so dark no one can see where the wearer is looking. These are intended to scare off sexual harassers on Tokyo’s crowded trains, where the groping of women is a constant problem.

Quote
For children, she has a backpack that transforms into a Japanese-style fire hydrant, hiding the child. The “manhole bag” was also her idea.

Gotta love how you can read an entire article, and only come away with the one sentence that supports your preconceptions. Amazing blinder-fu.
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March 26, 2013, 01:34:34 PM
#52
Why is it that politics are all that is needed for me to find out who the stupid ones are?
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March 26, 2013, 01:29:43 PM
#51
As the article stated, the designs are to satisfy the quirky and inventive taste of the Japanese. This is more fact ignoring on your part. As for you being a coward, need you compare yourself to a Japanese woman to demonstrate that you are not? Seems so.

I'm sorry, but exploring fashion trends is not a valid way to redeem yourself. Try some facts instead: http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php?itemid=816
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March 25, 2013, 03:22:29 AM
#50
I do wonder, though, what motivated the Japanese designer of this dress:



Oh, yeah. Fear of crime. Silly me.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/world/asia/20japan.html

And I'm the coward, supposedly because I don't fear guns in the hands of civilians. Roll Eyes
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March 25, 2013, 02:41:21 AM
#49
As for me pushing my ideals of freedom on you - I think you are in need of some ideals of freedom pushed on you.

And that's where we disagree. Have a nice life.
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March 25, 2013, 02:39:05 AM
#48
True freedom (and don't forget this, as this may be the first time you've ever learned it) is where you are safe and never have to think about encumbering yourself with the tools of murder. Japan has that. You obviously don't, as you cry everyday and night in these forums about how you're robbed of your freedoms, and fear every boy and man in a shadow behind your house and lurking in every shadow on the streets.

Tsk... I would hardly call having a policeman come into my house and count my bullets because I have a hunting permit "freedom." Guns are not the "tools of murder," they are tools of liberation.

Perhaps we have different definitions of freedom. Tell you what, you don't try and force yours on me, and I won't try and force mine on you, deal?

Let's also remind you about your rewrite of history. Japan had a very violent society and culture. Just because it's convenient for you to point out that they don't now doesn't make your point valid. All it points out is they have done something right.

As for me pushing my ideals of freedom on you - I think you are in need of some ideals of freedom pushed on you. Have you ever considered this simple little concept: if you can't solve gun murders with 300 million guns, what makes you think you're going to solve it with one billion guns?

I'm not a coward like you, fearing muggers and robbers and killers in every shadow, but I understand that they can be there. But seriously, what kind of deluded fucked up person gets off on the idea of desiring a society where you must walk around with a gun on your person all the time? Compensating, are you?
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March 25, 2013, 02:32:13 AM
#47
True freedom (and don't forget this, as this may be the first time you've ever learned it) is where you are safe and never have to think about encumbering yourself with the tools of murder. Japan has that. You obviously don't, as you cry everyday and night in these forums about how you're robbed of your freedoms, and fear every boy and man in a shadow behind your house and lurking in every shadow on the streets.

Tsk... I would hardly call having a policeman come into my house and count my bullets because I have a hunting permit "freedom." Guns are not the "tools of murder," they are tools of liberation.

Perhaps we have different definitions of freedom. Tell you what, you don't try and force yours on me, and I won't try and force mine on you, deal?
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March 25, 2013, 02:24:41 AM
#46
Answer this, halfwit: If Japan is incarcerating the wrong people, and incarcerating so few, then why is their crime rate so low? And where are all the Japanese murders taking place in the absence of guns that you're so inclined to publicize (i.e by cars, trucks, trains and buses, knives, spoons and bottle caps, etc.)?

You must have read a different story than I. I got no implication that they were incarcerating the wrong people. In fact, the implication that I got from that was that they catch everybody. Unfortunately, they have to have a very invasive and coercive police force to do so, but, well, if you want to live in a society completely free of crime, you must occasionally submit to a cavity search.

I'll leave you with one of the founder's thoughts on that:

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”

 - Thomas Jefferson

So you admit then:

- Japan has a very low crime rate
- Japan has virtually no guns
- Japanese citizens don't over compensate and do lots of killings in other ways due to not having guns
- Japan has a very low incarceration rate
- Japan must be incarcerating the right people, despite the low incarceration rates, because there don't seem to be many criminals out there committing crimes

Japanese homicide rate: 0.4
United States homicide rate: 4.8

Japanese incarceration rate: 55
United States incarceration rate: 716

Japanese guns per capita: 0.6
United States guns per capita: 88.8
Your point?

It's not the gun ban, you know. It's the people. Society.

Oh, of course it isn't the gun ban! How could it be - that would be disruptive to your ideals.

Think again, you coward. And you are a coward, because it's you always justifying your gun fetishes because of your stated fears of muggers lurking in every shadow as you walk down the street. Maybe you're a coward for good reason.

And yet in Japan you can walk safely down the streets in the middle of the night. Why? Because who wants to get searched and then hauled off to the police station? Nobody. The solution? Don't break the fucking law. The result: Complete safety at all hours of the night. No muggers in shadows. No gun wielding freaks.

True freedom (and don't forget this, as this may be the first time you've ever learned it) is where you are safe and never have to think about encumbering yourself with the tools of murder. Japan has that. You obviously don't, as you cry everyday and night in these forums about how you're robbed of your freedoms, and fear every boy and man in a shadow behind your house and lurking in every shadow on the streets.
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March 25, 2013, 02:16:40 AM
#45
Answer this, halfwit: If Japan is incarcerating the wrong people, and incarcerating so few, then why is their crime rate so low? And where are all the Japanese murders taking place in the absence of guns that you're so inclined to publicize (i.e by cars, trucks, trains and buses, knives, spoons and bottle caps, etc.)?

You must have read a different story than I. I got no implication that they were incarcerating the wrong people. In fact, the implication that I got from that was that they catch everybody. Unfortunately, they have to have a very invasive and coercive police force to do so, but, well, if you want to live in a society completely free of crime, you must occasionally submit to a cavity search.

I'll leave you with one of the founder's thoughts on that:

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”

 - Thomas Jefferson

So you admit then:

- Japan has a very low crime rate
- Japan has virtually no guns
- Japanese citizens don't over compensate and do lots of killings in other ways due to not having guns
- Japan has a very low incarceration rate
- Japan must be incarcerating the right people, despite the low incarceration rates, because there don't seem to be many criminals out there committing crimes

Japanese homicide rate: 0.4
United States homicide rate: 4.8

Japanese incarceration rate: 55
United States incarceration rate: 716

Japanese guns per capita: 0.6
United States guns per capita: 88.8
Your point?

It's not the gun ban, you know. It's the people. Society.
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March 25, 2013, 02:11:06 AM
#44
Answer this, halfwit: If Japan is incarcerating the wrong people, and incarcerating so few, then why is their crime rate so low? And where are all the Japanese murders taking place in the absence of guns that you're so inclined to publicize (i.e by cars, trucks, trains and buses, knives, spoons and bottle caps, etc.)?

You must have read a different story than I. I got no implication that they were incarcerating the wrong people. In fact, the implication that I got from that was that they catch everybody. Unfortunately, they have to have a very invasive and coercive police force to do so, but, well, if you want to live in a society completely free of crime, you must occasionally submit to a cavity search.

I'll leave you with one of the founder's thoughts on that:

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”

 - Thomas Jefferson

So you admit then:

- Japan has a very low crime rate
- Japan has virtually no guns
- Japanese citizens don't over compensate and do lots of killings in other ways due to not having guns
- Japan has a very low incarceration rate
- Japan must be incarcerating the right people, despite the low incarceration rates, because there don't seem to be many criminals out there committing crimes

Japanese homicide rate: 0.4
United States homicide rate: 4.8

Japanese incarceration rate: 55
United States incarceration rate: 716

Japanese guns per capita: 0.6
United States guns per capita: 88.8
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March 25, 2013, 02:03:54 AM
#43
Answer this, halfwit: If Japan is incarcerating the wrong people, and incarcerating so few, then why is their crime rate so low? And where are all the Japanese murders taking place in the absence of guns that you're so inclined to publicize (i.e by cars, trucks, trains and buses, knives, spoons and bottle caps, etc.)?

You must have read a different story than I. I got no implication that they were incarcerating the wrong people. In fact, the implication that I got from that was that they catch everybody. Unfortunately, they have to have a very invasive and coercive police force to do so, but, well, if you want to live in a society completely free of crime, you must occasionally submit to a cavity search.

I'll leave you with one of the founder's thoughts on that:

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”

 - Thomas Jefferson
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March 25, 2013, 01:58:17 AM
#42
I'll refer you to this, since you can't do it yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

Oh, I'm quite aware of that, thank you. Your point?

That you're a misleading, fact ignoring, circular argument pushing, meme quoting, blind follower of things which aren't really very wonderful.

And more specifically, the point is to demonstrate that your anecdotal stories (this one in particular) tries to paint Japan as a place where the incarceration rate must be high due to judicial tactics.

Answer this, halfwit: If Japan is incarcerating the wrong people, and incarcerating so few, then why is their crime rate so low? And where are all the Japanese murders taking place in the absence of guns that you're so inclined to publicize (i.e by cars, trucks, trains and buses, knives, spoons and bottle caps, etc.)?

May I refer you to this chart as well? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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March 25, 2013, 01:42:47 AM
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I'll refer you to this, since you can't do it yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

Oh, I'm quite aware of that, thank you. Your point?
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March 25, 2013, 01:39:40 AM
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In the Philippines, guns are banned right now, until at least June 12, 2013. But many, defy the ban. Some have exemptions. Some don't, they just carry anyway.
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Pretend it's Japan. Imagine what would happen to the economy in Japan if cars, trucks, trains and buses were banned. Now imagine what would happen to Japan's economy if guns were banned.

Japan has already had guns banned for a long time you halfwit.

No shit, you dimwitted dumbshit (see boldfaced item in quote above). Now, try answering the question. What happens (as in what did happen) to the Japanese economy by virtue of banning guns? And then explain what would happen if cars, trucks, trains, and buses were banned. And, if after reflection, you still wish to pull the "well let's ban cars" argument to support gun rights, then by all means, continue to do so to display the fact that you only have three or four brain cells in operation inside your cranium.
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March 25, 2013, 01:23:14 AM
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Pretend it's Japan. Imagine what would happen to the economy in Japan if cars, trucks, trains and buses were banned. Now imagine what would happen to Japan's economy if guns were banned.

Japan has already had guns banned for a long time you halfwit.

I think that may have been his point.

But of course, I believe he played the "No isolated island nations" card once when discussing historical anarchies...

And I truly doubt the gun ban is the determining factor in Japan's crime rate... I'd say police practices and societal structure play a much larger part:
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The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.
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March 25, 2013, 01:14:12 AM
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Pretend it's Japan. Imagine what would happen to the economy in Japan if cars, trucks, trains and buses were banned. Now imagine what would happen to Japan's economy if guns were banned.

Japan has already had guns banned for a long time you halfwit.
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March 25, 2013, 12:43:27 AM
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March 23, 2013, 08:04:21 PM
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And last but not least, living kills people.  We need a ban on pregnancy.

“Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent.”

 R. D. Laing
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March 23, 2013, 07:49:08 PM
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A tree cannot be charged for murder if it falls on a person, as it did not intent to do so, for it cannot think--however, if the tree fell because someone rigged it to fall, it can be a murder weapon.  We need to ban trees large enough to kill people.  Roll Eyes

Therefor, only people with idle hands can kill people.  But hands can't be idle if they're busy working Tongue  We need to put a ban on thoughts.

And the following is a series of silliness:

Medicine kills people.  We need to abolish medicine.

Lack of oxygen kills people.  We need a ban on lack of oxygen.

People die in hospitals.  Coincidence?  I think not.  We need to banish people from hospitals, and people dying in hospitals will drop to 0.

Gravity kills people.  We need to live in space.

Hot temperatures kill people.  We need to ban Mexico.

Cold temperatures kill people.  We need to abolish Canada.

Not eating kills people.  But that cuts into profits so we'll leave this one alone.

Getting hit by motor vehicles kill people.  This one also cuts into profits, so this one stays.

Butter knives in the eye kill people.  We need to ban butter knives from getting into eyes.

Jumping up and down too long and overexerting yourself kills people.  We need to ban exercise.

Diving and then flying kills people.  We need to banish the ocean and the sky.

Pollution kills people.  Good luck banning this one!  Ha ha ha!

Excessive amounts of fluoride kill people.  See above.

Having pianos falling on you kills people.  We need to abolish black and white films.

A lack of pirates creates a hotter planet and that kills people.  We need to abolish lack of pirates.

Being heartbroken metaphorically kills people.  We need to abolish teen romance.

And last but not least, living kills people.  We need a ban on pregnancy.
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March 23, 2013, 04:14:43 PM
#32
I asked three questions in that post. You attempted to answer one of the questions I asked by avoiding what people really use cars for on a daily basis.

But you don't base your arguments on what people really use guns for on a daily basis. You use outlying, violent, crazy people. So, I did the same.

Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?
Transportation will be almost entirely by rail (for the plebes) and air (for the elites). In-city transportation may have to go back to the horse-and-buggy, reintroducing a cleanliness problem that was eliminated close to a century ago.

This is almost like being corralled in nazi era seriously.
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March 23, 2013, 02:48:26 PM
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Furthermore, the loss of so much personal mobility except for the elites who can afford private jets, or even perhaps exemptions to the car ban, will stratify the society. Like guns, cars are a democratizing force.
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March 23, 2013, 02:37:42 PM
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I asked three questions in that post. You attempted to answer one of the questions I asked by avoiding what people really use cars for on a daily basis.

But you don't base your arguments on what people really use guns for on a daily basis. You use outlying, violent, crazy people. So, I did the same.

Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?

The economy (especially the restaurant industry) shuts down. It's hard to prep food without knives.

Of course, criminals will still have them, while law-abiding citizens will not. We can expect motor-vehicle accidents, overall, to be reduced, but the fatalities (especially bystander fatalities) in each individual accident we can expect to increase. Only criminals and police officers will have vehicles, and so most traffic can be expected to be at high speed - either trying to avoid being caught, or trying to catch. However, this may be a boon to the rail and air industries, since most goods will then have to be moved via rail. Getting them to the store, however, remains an issue. Wal-mart may have to set up it's own rail-line. Transportation will be almost entirely by rail (for the plebes) and air (for the elites). In-city transportation may have to go back to the horse-and-buggy, reintroducing a cleanliness problem that was eliminated close to a century ago.

Finally, criminals will still have knives, while the law-abiding citizen will not. The end result is the same as we see with guns: crime will increase, as knife-wielding criminals are emboldened by their victims being disarmed. (Not to mention, very likely walking with a load of groceries, most restaurants having closed down.)

To sum up: Banning a thing only harms society, in that it ensures that only criminals will have it. If this thing is useful in defending one's self from criminals, like a gun, or a knife, or in protecting one's safety whilst traveling, like a car, then the law abiding citizens will suffer. I don't recommend it.
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March 23, 2013, 01:18:39 PM
#29
I think this whole conversation is openended and I thought the input of information was relevant, but I didn't ask the questions so I can't be too sure how usefull it was to the asker but objectivly the information was usefull none the less.

The information myrkul provided was to try and show how cars and guns are the same, which is very far from the truth. Thus the importance of discerning how each contributes to the economy. Let's try this again. Consider a ban on cars, trucks, buses and knives. What happens?
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March 23, 2013, 01:14:58 PM
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I think this whole conversation is openended and I thought the input of information was relevant, but I didn't ask the questions so I can't be too sure how usefull it was to the asker but objectivly the information was usefull none the less.
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March 23, 2013, 01:07:33 PM
#27

It specifically answered one of the questions you posed. I'm sorry you're not happy with the answer, but I assume you're accustomed to that disappointment by now.

I asked three questions in that post. You attempted to answer one of the questions I asked by avoiding what people really use cars for on a daily basis. I think that demonstrates your argumentative tactics, and dismisses you as anyone to take seriously.
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March 23, 2013, 12:56:24 PM
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It specifically answered one of the questions you posed. I'm sorry you're not happy with the answer, but I assume you're accustomed to that disappointment by now.
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March 23, 2013, 03:58:37 AM
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I have a friend in the Philippines where guns were recently banned. There is now a rash of hit and run armed robberies there. Recently, her neighbor (a relative) was gunned down for the cash he was carrying in a money belt. It happened in broad daylight by a masked motorbike rider. I am not against guns, but we need reason to guide our lawmakers.

So, what you're saying is, they took the guns away, and crime rates went up?

Who could have possibly predicted this?
You would think that would be obvious to legislators. Unless you have a kingdom with cameras everywhere, the killers have little to fear.

Even a kingdom of cameras can't stop masked men... hehe they'd have to have a build that is unmistake able or the like.
Yeah they use body mechanic analysis. The cameras can tag heat signatures of their vehicles and can track the perps just about anywhere. Besides, most crooks are dim and get caught. Gunmen tend to live a life of violence and it's rarely for very long.
Imagine how short that career would be if more victims were armed.
Certainly someone carrying large amounts of cash would take precautions, including a firearm. In your home, a weapon should be recommended. However, most of the time guns are used in random situations where you would not be prepared for the element of surprise.

True. But criminals prefer unarmed victims. A higher percentage of armed people in an area reduces the likelihood that anyone will be attacked. (Especially if those armed people are carrying concealed, and it is known that concealed carry is a thing they do in that area.)
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March 23, 2013, 02:12:32 AM
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Guns are a tool just like a car...or a chainsaw!

Been absorbing NRA memes a little too much without thinking for yourself?

You can think too if you try! What do people use cars for? What happens to the economy when all cars (and trucks) are no longer available for use?
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March 23, 2013, 02:04:41 AM
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I have a friend in the Philippines where guns were recently banned. There is now a rash of hit and run armed robberies there. Recently, her neighbor (a relative) was gunned down for the cash he was carrying in a money belt. It happened in broad daylight by a masked motorbike rider. I am not against guns, but we need reason to guide our lawmakers.

So, what you're saying is, they took the guns away, and crime rates went up?

Who could have possibly predicted this?
You would think that would be obvious to legislators. Unless you have a kingdom with cameras everywhere, the killers have little to fear.

Even a kingdom of cameras can't stop masked men... hehe they'd have to have a build that is unmistake able or the like.
Yeah they use body mechanic analysis. The cameras can tag heat signatures of their vehicles and can track the perps just about anywhere. Besides, most crooks are dim and get caught. Gunmen tend to live a life of violence and it's rarely for very long.
Imagine how short that career would be if more victims were armed.
Certainly someone carrying large amounts of cash would take precautions, including a firearm. In your home, a weapon should be recommended. However, most of the time guns are used in random situations where you would not be prepared for the element of surprise.
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March 23, 2013, 01:55:23 AM
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I have a friend in the Philippines where guns were recently banned. There is now a rash of hit and run armed robberies there. Recently, her neighbor (a relative) was gunned down for the cash he was carrying in a money belt. It happened in broad daylight by a masked motorbike rider. I am not against guns, but we need reason to guide our lawmakers.

So, what you're saying is, they took the guns away, and crime rates went up?

Who could have possibly predicted this?
You would think that would be obvious to legislators. Unless you have a kingdom with cameras everywhere, the killers have little to fear.

Even a kingdom of cameras can't stop masked men... hehe they'd have to have a build that is unmistake able or the like.
Yeah they use body mechanic analysis. The cameras can tag heat signatures of their vehicles and can track the perps just about anywhere. Besides, most crooks are dim and get caught. Gunmen tend to live a life of violence and it's rarely for very long.
Imagine how short that career would be if more victims were armed.
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March 23, 2013, 01:19:36 AM
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I have a friend in the Philippines where guns were recently banned. There is now a rash of hit and run armed robberies there. Recently, her neighbor (a relative) was gunned down for the cash he was carrying in a money belt. It happened in broad daylight by a masked motorbike rider. I am not against guns, but we need reason to guide our lawmakers.

So, what you're saying is, they took the guns away, and crime rates went up?

Who could have possibly predicted this?
You would think that would be obvious to legislators. Unless you have a kingdom with cameras everywhere, the killers have little to fear.

Even a kingdom of cameras can't stop masked men... hehe they'd have to have a build that is unmistake able or the like.
Yeah they use body mechanic analysis. The cameras can tag heat signatures of their vehicles and can track the perps just about anywhere. Besides, most crooks are dim and get caught. Gunmen tend to live a life of violence and it's rarely for very long.
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March 23, 2013, 12:22:07 AM
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I have a friend in the Philippines where guns were recently banned. There is now a rash of hit and run armed robberies there. Recently, her neighbor (a relative) was gunned down for the cash he was carrying in a money belt. It happened in broad daylight by a masked motorbike rider. I am not against guns, but we need reason to guide our lawmakers.

So, what you're saying is, they took the guns away, and crime rates went up?

Who could have possibly predicted this?
You would think that would be obvious to legislators. Unless you have a kingdom with cameras everywhere, the killers have little to fear.

Even a kingdom of cameras can't stop masked men... hehe they'd have to have a build that is unmistake able or the like.
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March 22, 2013, 09:02:07 PM
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I have a friend in the Philippines where guns were recently banned. There is now a rash of hit and run armed robberies there. Recently, her neighbor (a relative) was gunned down for the cash he was carrying in a money belt. It happened in broad daylight by a masked motorbike rider. I am not against guns, but we need reason to guide our lawmakers.

So, what you're saying is, they took the guns away, and crime rates went up?

Who could have possibly predicted this?
You would think that would be obvious to legislators. Unless you have a kingdom with cameras everywhere, the killers have little to fear.

I think you are ascribing to the legislators more ability than is warranted.
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March 22, 2013, 08:53:37 PM
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I have a friend in the Philippines where guns were recently banned. There is now a rash of hit and run armed robberies there. Recently, her neighbor (a relative) was gunned down for the cash he was carrying in a money belt. It happened in broad daylight by a masked motorbike rider. I am not against guns, but we need reason to guide our lawmakers.

So, what you're saying is, they took the guns away, and crime rates went up?

Who could have possibly predicted this?
You would think that would be obvious to legislators. Unless you have a kingdom with cameras everywhere, the killers have little to fear.
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March 22, 2013, 08:18:50 PM
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I have a friend in the Philippines where guns were recently banned. There is now a rash of hit and run armed robberies there. Recently, her neighbor (a relative) was gunned down for the cash he was carrying in a money belt. It happened in broad daylight by a masked motorbike rider. I am not against guns, but we need reason to guide our lawmakers.

So, what you're saying is, they took the guns away, and crime rates went up?

Who could have possibly predicted this?
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March 22, 2013, 08:11:28 PM
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I have a friend in the Philippines where guns were recently banned. There is now a rash of hit and run armed robberies there. Recently, her neighbor (a relative) was gunned down for the cash he was carrying in a money belt. It happened in broad daylight by a masked motorbike rider. I am not against guns, but we need reason to guide our lawmakers.
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March 21, 2013, 06:42:24 AM
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When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

Criminals prefer unarmed victims.
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March 20, 2013, 08:15:49 PM
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Those librarians and their radical extremist late fees.
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March 20, 2013, 08:01:07 PM
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From what I've heard, these folks calling themselves librarians--libertarians?--one or the other, agree with the above Mr. Mackey reference.

I've yet to meet a libertarian who was for gun control... you must mean librarians. Many of them are liberals, and liberals love gun control.

I'm mistaken then--am I referring to democrats?  I'd read it on the comments section of a contemporary republican-influenced website (bad mojo but I'm guilty!) and they were all blaming liberals for advocating gun-free zones.

Edit:  I see my mistake now Grin  Apologies!  Liberal =/= Libertarian
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I think that gun control is a mute point. The bottom line for me is simply this: If people weren't so sick and stupid then they wouldn't be so fucked up! I guess that is a not so eloquent way of saying that the real problems are education and health care. Guns are a tool just like a car...or a chainsaw! Just gotta be smart enough to know not chop somebody's head off or drive through a marathon.  Roll Eyes
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March 20, 2013, 07:45:21 PM
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From what I've heard, these folks calling themselves librarians--libertarians?--one or the other, agree with the above Mr. Mackey reference.

I've yet to meet a libertarian who was for gun control... you must mean librarians. Many of them are liberals, and liberals love gun control.
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March 20, 2013, 04:13:39 PM
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Tricky, tricky.  If they attempt to take our guns by force, they'll get an equal amount of force in lead headed back at them Tongue  Likely, they'll attempt to pass laws and guilt trip you into doing it.  Nobody responds well to force, but an idea can spread like wildfire, and if people get the idea in their heads that "guns are bad mmmkay", it's game over from then on out.  From what I've heard, these folks calling themselves librarians--libertarians?--one or the other, agree with the above Mr. Mackey reference.

Resistance is futile, filthy hu--I mean, honorable citizens!  And remember, the UN loves you very much.  Mwah!

Now get back to work.
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March 20, 2013, 04:07:28 PM
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I have seen those guys in combat and they run from gunfire.

I need to see a video of you actually watching them running from gun fire..... or it didn't happen LOL
haha. I don't have video of it. But tonight I will check to see if can find some of me running away. I did a lot of running away in the Balkans and elsewhere. But in all seriousness, the troops I met there were not eager to fight. Now the Guatemalans, they were batshit-crazy to mix it up. Real warriors (unlike me) run toward the sound of gunfire.    

EDIT:
I am being to tough on the UN. They do what they can, but they are normally stationed in a disaster.
Anyway this is the closest I could find. And it's not really related. lol
Haiti during Operation Uphold Democracy
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March 20, 2013, 03:56:40 PM
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I have seen those guys in combat and they run from gunfire.

I need to see a video of you actually watching them running from gun fire..... or it didn't happen LOL
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March 20, 2013, 03:32:53 PM
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The UN is not going to take our guns.  Roll Eyes

Our own government cant even do that. The UN? I have seen those guys in combat and they run from gunfire. Can you imagine how they would wet their pants facing a rural American militia? Pfft, we would take their guns.
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