Topic: [UNBAN APPEAL] MintDice (Read 646 times)

Bump. Still looking ideally for permission to post from my personal account. Thank you.

Thank you very much for that thoughtful response and I really like that neutral trust idea, never thought of that, I will update it.

I don't see any reason not after re-reading the OP. The nice thing is if you are not allowed theymos will respond to the Bid explaining why it's been rejected. That's what I've seen on previous rounds.

Seeing as Bans apply to the person, not the account someone not associated with those accounts could create a new account mintdiceDOH (homer accent) let's say, to start a service thread and act as community representative. I could be wrong, it would be subject to anyone claiming it is ban evasion and be reviewed by Mods.

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On the whole your situation is weird. I get trying to fit a business model into the forum like this can be confusing. This is where the rules need to be applied with consideration given to all the factors, and not just the "good for a forum as a whole". I would say the fact your account hasn't been locked is a positive sign for it probably not being banned, along side MintDice. whatever direction this goes moving forward you should probably have any "reps" register their own variation of a "MintDice" account ex. "MintDiceSally", and just label them as legit in the OP.

I also likely would have gone a different route for the "trust". Leaving feedback that links your account to that one is good enough. I would go with a Neutral and say explain how you are associated, it looks better than implanting your reputation directly onto the account. Same goes for possible "Rep" accounts - you could leave them feedback as you trust them to represent you and your business.

Hi, two more questions if anyone could answer please:

Is the company of MintDice allowed to have someone bid on BitcoinTalk ads for the weekly auction that took no part in the usage of the MintDice banned account?

Is an individual that has never been banned from or related to the usage ban of any of these accounts allowed to create their own account to start a MintDice thread in the gambling section?

Thank you very much, I just want to make sure no rules are broken while waiting for resolution.

That is an outstanding question. Here's my best response:

So of the ~5 people that had access to the account, some have vested interest in the company, some were paid by the hour. The person that committed the crime, by no shear coincidence, was one of the people paid by the hour.

My best guess as to why this happened was so they could probably bill for work they themselves didn't do. For example, if they were billing 20 minutes per post (this is a totally random statement, by the way, not reality), they copy/paste a post that takes them 2 minutes, bill for the extra 18 minutes and save the rest of that time and go watch some Netflix. I do think this was a one-off as they started their work though but I could easily be proven wrong.

Literally the only job description was to be helpful and not spam. To me, the whole process has been mind boggling. If I/we had been a less helpful person to the community, as >95% of new gambling related accounts are, we could have just created an account the day we were ready to launch and launched and been done with it. Instead, we're grossly penalized for trying to be an outstanding member of the community initially. That was the entirety of the goal of the program as you asked. To start off with a good reputation rather than nothing. It's been heart breaking so far and I'm doing my best to make any amends so far... Hopefully that all makes sense.

The fact that you've never participated in a signature campaign is definitely in your favor.
Though, that also makes it completely ludicrous that someone plagiarized using your account...

What benefit does it give 'you' to plagiarize when it's not to increase your post count for a signature campaign.

I agree that doxxing is bad. I would have only done that privately, obviously. I could give them their e-mail to ban that, but that's as far as I can go in that direction. Won't accomplish too much.

A signature ban is no problem and honestly welcome. Even a permanent one. I have never participated in any signature campaigns in my life and don't care to. Every single post that has ever come from my account or the MintDice account has been completely voluntary in that regard and not bounty hunting.

I've read in other threads that the amount of plagiarism matters. I agree plagiarism a ridiculously bad offense, but it also seemed like it was just that once instance out of the 400+ posts, which should be worth something. To be honest though, since it wasn't me posting, if this happened more times, I wouldn't be the one to know since it was not me.

Like I said earlier, if the MintDice account gets banned at this point if they deem that fair, I can't argue that. It's not my forum that I own where I can decide the rules. I've stated at this point all I can state. And while you mentioned getting that account banned because of it's "only had little over 400 posts", my account has well more posts and more history. Banning my personal account seems beyond excessive. Do you not agree with that?

This is just my opinion, but I don't think you should doxx anyone. I know it's too late, but sharing your account with that many people is just a recipe for disaster, as you've just found out.
AFAIK there isn't a time-frame for 'resolutions', seems like a pretty open/shut case to me.

The absolute best you can hope for is a temp ban and a 2 year signature ban. Only if you brought value to the forum, which I don't think is the case since you only had little over 400 posts.

I sent a PM to Hilariousandco a little while ago detailing this exact situation simply asking if I could go on posting and received no response. I'm sure they are busy.

The plagiarist doesn't have any account of their own on BitcoinTalk. I know their real name if they should be doxxed here but I doubt that's what anyone wants. But if that's procedure, I'm happy to provide that information to the proper parties and a screenshot of their stated confession that was written to me earlier. I could provide details/screenshots from messengers that go all the way back to the beginning of time with this particular individual if that was necessary, though I doubt anyone would want to see that.

As I formerly asked, if outside posting is not allowed, is there a general time frame resolutions take?

Thank you

Since you already associated yourself with banned account so any posting by you outside of this thread is ban evasion.

I will suggest you to PM Theymos / Hilariousandco about this situation and ask then for you to be not to be considered for ban evasion. Most importantly, you need to give the plagarist account here that can also be booked for plagariasm. 

Question to anyone whom can answer or provide clarity please:

I discovered the person who plagiarized since they admitted to it. Of course, I accept responsibility being affiliated with the account and if that account needs to remain banned permanently, so be it when resolution is decided upon. I'll let the mods or admins decide whatever they think is fair when the time comes. A shame because it's only goal was literally to help BitcoinTalk members during it's early stages.

That said, I feel like my access to BitcoinTalk shouldn't be prohibited with this account. I personally did not plagiarize. IP addresses, computer system metrics or other of any plagiarized post could 100% be checked because there's zero chance they would correlate back to me if verification was needed. For this reason, am I allowed to post? Or does the fact that an affiliated person plagiarized strike against my ability to post until resolution? To my knowledge, I've never committed any offense.

If I'm not allowed to post ever until resolution is reached, is there a general time frame resolutions tend to take?

Thank you

Hey Guys, this is Doug Polk. (Ive done some cryptocurrency videos on YouTube and own a crypto media site called CoinCentral.) Happy to prove its me if it ends up mattering.

I dont post much here, but I wanted to just chime in on this subject for skllzdatklls. I have known him for a very long time, we used to live together, and I have done many large transactions with him.  He is one of the most standup guys that I know, and I think there was some confusion here on his end.

From a standpoint of being good for the forum(and bitcoin), we are not bitcoin OG's, but we did get involved back in 2013. This guy absolutely loves bitcoin, he has been way too all in on it for some time, and he even bought me https://i.imgur.com/AJH0nu0.jpg as a birthday present a year ago lol.

Im not fluent on the rules of the forum, so if he has stepped too far over the line then so be it. But what I can say is that sometimes forum rules can be missed and sometimes people make mistakes. If there is a way he can fix this moving forward, so that he can be a member of this community, he would greatly appreciate that.

If I can somehow help in some capacity, or need to prove its me, happy to do that. But I think it would be kind of sad here if such a small mistake ends up costing him the ability to post on this forum at all.

Thank you very much SuchMoon, you've been extremely helpful.

To the mod reading this, here is my plea:

I have been a long time fan of cryptocurrency, my historical posting dating back to 2013 should show this. I have always wanted to help the Bitcoin community in a big way and get involved. Starting in March of 2017 with over 10 of us working we have begun developing this product from the ground up. We really want to do a casino the right way. It will have not only high quality gambling features built from the ground up, but also an investment platform and bot resistant skill gaming. This should appeal to many members of your community due to it's diverse offerings.

This is not a small project that is lightly being thrown onto your forum as spam. This is a very long coming high development project that has had a lot of time/money/resources spent on it to do things the right way. There is a lot of planned continued development into the project as well to further help cryptocurrency space with our innovative and coming Masternode Sharing project, among others.

Being that BitcoinTalk is the best single way to communicate with the community and that we have a fairly large project with an ongoing roadmap, it's best that we have a way to have an open dialogue with the community, for both our and their sake. We have a commitment to ongoing development to offering more robust services with time and that information is best dispelled here through open dialogue that your community members would probably like to both see and voice an opinion on that we can react to accordingly.

Additionally, given that this is no small project, the additions of meaningful projects in general to the cryptocurrency space will help grow it's overall economy. This, in turn, benefits everyone. By shutting down high quality projects like this, everyone loses and the pie shrinks.

I hope you'll keep an open mind and really consider the fact that I meant no ill will and will abide by very strict requirements moving forward.

Thank you.

Considering your situation your only option for a successful appeal would be to show how unbanning that account would be good for the forum. Other than that - you're just gonna have to wait for a global mod/admin to see this thread.

Doesn't it make fully sense to get banned because of a few lines and being attacked by suchshit as scammer ?

Ok, thank you very much for your explanation, it all makes sense. I will refrain from making any outside posting for the time being. I will not attempt to bribe my way out of this. I will wait at least 5 minutes between posting. I'm glad to know that trust ratings can work in the way I intended without breaking rules.

Is there anything else that I should do for the time being or just wait for a resolution from a moderator?

You made at least two posts outside of this thread while your other account was banned. That's ban evasion.

You're also breaking another rule by posting twice in a row. You should really spend 5 minutes reading the rules - getting banned is a good incentive for that.


You can't bribe your way out of this.


Trust ratings and merits (for the most part) are not moderated. It's up to other users whether they see it as untrustworthy. Generally speaking, sending positive trust ratings and merits to your alts is considered untrustworthy even though that doesn't break any forum rules.

I'm not fighting you or anyone here. I'm on your side. If you think you need to permaban every single account I have because that is the correct thing to do then by all means, go ahead and do that.

Personally, I don't think this is justified. I am extremely apologetic that there was plagiarism on the account. I have absolutely no excuse and am trying to figure that one out as we speak. But I would like a second chance and can promise nothing else bad will come of it.

I'm not sure what else I can offer since me offering to donate money to efforts of bitcointalk or other seem to have fallen on deaf ears.

Permaban would be the domino effect of you creating this topic and seeing that affiliated accounts you obviously & own have given yourself false trust,
we dont want problems to arrive from this false security you've attempted to create.

I stand corrected on this, I have no excuse other than I have no idea who did that and will find out. I still feel like there must be a way to make amends. It seems like a huge move to permaban for that.

I see. Well this account has existed since 2013 and I'm certainly not trying to evade any bans. I stand by anything that was done so far because I don't think anything was done maliciously. In my own opinion, I also don't think any lines were crossed, but as I've said I'm happy to donate retributions to any mods/bitcointalk for any damage done and lead a very conservative posting moving forward. I don't know what else I can say to that effect.

The trust ratings I also justify because I am applying part of my own reputation behind the company and have made an investment within. Again, maybe there are rules surrounding the legality of this that I don't know. But, from my perspective, if there were a brand new casino out there I'd be much happier to know that an established member of the community was backing the website than a 0 post 0 trust 0-anything. Do you understand where I'm coming from? How else do you fix a gap in knowledge to new users otherwise? If it's illegal for me to back a product I'm endorsing, I guess I don't know what else to say.

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There's a "ban evasion" rule that doesn't allow you to use any other accounts while one of your accounts is banned (except to create an appeal thread such as this one). You're already breaking that rule and that can earn you a permaban.


Another problem - your sent and received trust ratings and merits, which may earn you red trust.

Multiple people have posted with the account, including myself. Probably 5 people. But all content was 100% original non-spam non-plagiarized content designed solely to help users.

Going forward, the account will be limited to just one or two people. (Unless there is some site-wide policy that I am unaware of that restricts the use to single users, in which case I apologize and will not allow that to happen going forward.)

Let's dispense with the ambiguous "associations". Is it your account? Did you use it to post on this forum?

Yes, I am associated with the account. I made this fully clear in the OP. Because I myself have an association with the account and have helped to create a business, is that a damnation for all things ever to come?

User   Date   Risked BTC amount   Reference   Comments
theskillzdatklls   2018-01-05   50.00000000      Held onto an investment for a while, paid back amount in full.
Sent feedback
User   Date   Risked BTC amount   Reference   Comments
theskillzdatklls   2018-01-27   50.00000000      Investor
SFR10   2018-02-20   0.01800000   Reference   Designed signatures for MintDice following prepayment, thank you.
MintDiceSupport   2018-03-17   0.00000000      Official support for MintDice.

I have been part of a casino project for a while and have recent come to find out that the "MintDice" account is banned for plagiarism or spamming.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mintdice-1346119

To the best of my knowledge, the account never spammed or plagiarized anything. As a matter of fact, it's only goal was to help other users. Of course, anything is possible and differing views on "spamming" will vary from person to person. Regardless, I am extremely apologetic to the community if any harm was caused.

All that said, I am looking to launch the product with that account right about now and would really like access restored. I'll make sure any use on the account is extremely conservative with respect to any potential boundaries that could be or have been crossed.
I am even willing to pay a fee / make a donation to BitcoinTalk if that helps expedite the situation.

Thank you so much for your help.