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Quote from: 237mark on November 20, 2023, 12:44:55 PM

hello,
For a long time now, I have been receiving several small Bitcoin transactions from a payment system to my trust wallet almost every day. Until about 2 weeks ago everything was ok and the transactions were usually confirmed within a few minutes. But for about 10 days now, since the blockchain has been a little overloaded, the transactions are no longer confirmed. I can't set a sending fee myself and the only thing I can see is that it is quite small. Now some transactions are no longer unconfirmed but local (I restored the wallet on Electrum and that's where I see it). On Blockchair, every transaction has been saying "in about 24 hours" for days.
I took a screenshot of the transactions from the electrum wallet so that you can see a little more. Is it possible to speed this up somehow or can someone realistically tell me how long it will take and what these local transactions are?
Any information or help would be very grateful
here screenshot of electrum transaction and thats not even all. the oldest is now like 10 days old

https://ibb.co/dPq62qz

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I think this has been the most difficult scinero this time around. Network conjestion error due to ordinal. I created a thread on this transaction issues and I did according to what they explained to me and I was able to make the transaction. The sat was on my trust wallet with the Sum of $6, but was unable to send due to dust or higher transaction fee. a friend of mine sent me $28 Making it a total sum of $34. I tried sending it directly from trust wallet, butt i was show a charges of about $14.25 fee. So I decided to inport my trust wallet pass phrase to electron wallet which I did. I set my sat/vbyte to 20sat it didn't work out I tried til it works, but my transaction fee was up to $9 which I did.i copied the transaction ID and send to this link..
> https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/ and was successful. so I think with this process it can as well serve as a fast way of transaction.

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Quote from: Bch219 on November 22, 2023, 10:00:11 AM

The top of the page states “ Free Bitcoin Transaction Accelerator” that was why included it in my post. Sorry to ask if a user should use this site will there be any risk? Let’s say I went online and search for a free bitcoin accelerator and then this one(bitaccelerate) comes up as the first result and I decide to use it will I be putting anything at risk here?

Depends, but is a simple accelerator is of not so grave concern.
One might have nothing to do as a hobby with these kind of websites and match you IP with the the tx you request accelerated, for example.

But things get bad when they don't juts ask for your tx id but for something else like your private key or phrase:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-fake-transaction-accelerator-that-requires-typing-your-seed-phrase-5474428
I assume I don't have to spell it out what happens if you type those also on some random website Cheesy

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Quote from: Bch219 on November 22, 2023, 10:00:11 AM

Quote from: stompix on November 20, 2023, 01:03:08 PM

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Sorry to ask if a user should use this site will there be any risk? Let’s say I went online and search for a free bitcoin accelerator and then this one(bitaccelerate) comes up as the first result and I decide to use it will I be putting anything at risk here?

I think it's because people don't like false advertising.
And calling themselves "Free Transaction Accelerator" for not being a real transaction accelerator is a bad thing, not generally a risk.

Plus, they are accepting donations that received quite a few satoshi.
Newbies who are fond of donating but don't know how accelerating works may think that their transaction that got confirmed through normal network conditions may think that they're the one who done it.
While in reality, its fee rate just made it through the priority to get mined while mempools are low in size.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on November 21, 2023, 08:34:06 AM

If you are using a different wallet and all you have is the transaction hash, you can import your address in electrum. There's a chance you can find a server which has your transaction in its mempool.
(This is assuming the transaction has been broadcasted to the network before and is still valid.)

At that point it's probably easier just to put your TXID in to somewhere like mempool.space which has very high mempool limits and rarely drops any transactions, and then pull the raw hex from there.

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Quote from: stompix on November 20, 2023, 01:03:08 PM

Quote from: Bch219 on November 20, 2023, 12:58:07 PM

The second I have seen others suggest would be for you to use a site online, I don’t know if it actually works but here’s it, copy your transaction ID and paste. https://bitaccelerate.com/

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. Our service will rebroadcast the transaction via 10 Bitcoin nodes.

That's not an accelerator that's a rebroadcasting tool, it does nothing your wallet can't do.

The top of the page states “ Free Bitcoin Transaction Accelerator” that was why included it in my post. Sorry to ask if a user should use this site will there be any risk? Let’s say I went online and search for a free bitcoin accelerator and then this one(bitaccelerate) comes up as the first result and I decide to use it will I be putting anything at risk here?

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Quote from: NotATether on November 21, 2023, 07:46:34 AM

Wait, but you need the raw transaction to make a broadcast, it doesn't work with just a transaction hash. So I think what is happening is that Electrum keeps a copy of the raw transaction hash and broadcasts that, correct?

Right. Electrum keeps the raw transaction.

Quote from: NotATether on November 21, 2023, 07:46:34 AM

Clearly this won't work for all wallets,

If you are using a different wallet and all you have is the transaction hash, you can import your address in electrum. There's a chance you can find a server which has your transaction in its mempool.
(This is assuming the transaction has been broadcasted to the network before and is still valid.)

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on November 21, 2023, 05:47:49 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on November 21, 2023, 05:32:01 AM

You can do that by yourself, right? I can't current test it as I don't have a "local" transaction, but I assume Electrum stored the raw transaction, which you can broadcast.

Right. To do so, you should right-click on the local transaction, go to details and then click on "broadcast".

If the server you are connected to doesn't allow you to broadcast the local transaction due to the fee rate being lower than the nodes purging fee rate, you can export the raw transaction and use other tools to broadcast the transaction.

Wait, but you need the raw transaction to make a broadcast, it doesn't work with just a transaction hash. So I think what is happening is that Electrum keeps a copy of the raw transaction hash and broadcasts that, correct?

Clearly this won't work for all wallets, although it's trivial for any SPV wallet to implement.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 21, 2023, 05:32:01 AM

You can do that by yourself, right? I can't current test it as I don't have a "local" transaction, but I assume Electrum stored the raw transaction, which you can broadcast.

Right. To do so, you should right-click on the local transaction, go to details and then click on "broadcast".

If the server you are connected to doesn't allow you to broadcast the local transaction due to the fee rate being lower than the nodes purging fee rate, you can export the raw transaction and use other tools to broadcast the transaction.

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Quote from: NotATether on November 21, 2023, 02:41:43 AM

Also there's a possibility that you can ask the sender of the transaction to broadcast it again in the event it becomes local, if the mempool size is low enough to allow your transaction to get in again. For example if you had a 20 sats/vB local transaction yesterday, you can broadcast it now and see it as unconfirmed.

You can do that by yourself, right? I can't current test it as I don't have a "local" transaction, but I assume Electrum stored the raw transaction, which you can broadcast.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on November 20, 2023, 12:56:54 PM

"Local" means that the transaction is in your wallet file, but it's not in the mempool of the node you have connected to. If you connect to a different server, there's a possibility that their status changes to unconfirmed.

Also there's a possibility that you can ask the sender of the transaction to broadcast it again in the event it becomes local, if the mempool size is low enough to allow your transaction to get in again. For example if you had a 20 sats/vB local transaction yesterday, you can broadcast it now and see it as unconfirmed.

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Transactions which have been purged from the mempool might not ever get confirmed because the original sender could spend those coins again. You could bump the effective fee rate of those unconfirmed transactions by sending the unconfirmed outputs to yourself with a higher fee.

I don't know what payment system you used, but if it's something custodial I would disable auto-withdrawals and only manually withdraw once a day or when the amount reaches a certain threshold.

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Quote from: 237mark on November 20, 2023, 12:44:55 PM

On Blockchair, every transaction has been saying "in about 24 hours" for days.

More details, you get information like

Code:

Queue: 50000 of 190469
Est. time to 1 confirmation:  in 1 day

The queue ordinal number is temporary because new transactions will be added to mempools.

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I took a screenshot of the transactions from the electrum wallet so that you can see a little more.

In Electrum, you will get information about your Unconfirmed transaction in two places
History tab: you will see that Unconfirmed [ 10 sat/byte, 20 MB] (example)

Right click on the transaction, choose Details, you will have

Code:

Position in mempool: 20 MB from tip

With this example, your Unconfirmed transaction will be confirmed next 20 blocks if no more new transactions relay in mempools with higher fee rates than yours.

You can manually watch mempools and see chances and estimated time for your transaction confirmation.
https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC%20(default%20mempool),24h,weight
https://mempool.space/

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 20, 2023, 01:00:20 PM

There's no point. ViaBTC is out of spots, and OP has no doubt a long line of unconfirmed parent transactions.

If a transaction has unconfirmed parent, electrum would display its status as "unconfirmed parent".
The local transaction may have unconfirmed parent, but we can be sure that those transactions that are displayed as unconfirmed transaction in OP's screenshot don't have any unconfirmed parent.

Quote from: BitMaxz on November 20, 2023, 01:07:57 PM

Those local transactions have not yet been broadcast to the network you might accidentally click the save button instead of pay.

This can't be the case. OP didn't make those transactions. OP has received them.

There are two possibilities.
1. The server OP has connected to had those transactions, but dropped them.
2. OP connected to a server which had those transactions, but now is connected to a node which doesn't have those transactions in its mempool.

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Quote from: Bch219 on November 20, 2023, 12:58:07 PM

The first one would be for you to use “Replace-by-fee, RBF”, if you have it enabled before you broadcasted your transaction, from what I understand it helps your transaction by replacing the fee you initially used therefore increasing the fee and more chance of it being included in a block.

RBF can be opted for only by the sender and here OP is at the receiving end he can't use the RBF option. Well, you can do CPFP (Child Pays For Parent) but if the receiving amounts are small or dust then it isn't worth paying 50% of the transacted value as fee.

Quote from: Bch219 on November 20, 2023, 12:58:07 PM

The second I have seen others suggest would be for you to use a site online, I don’t know if it actually works but here’s it, copy your transaction ID and paste. https://bitaccelerate.com/

This isn't an actual transaction accelerator, it's just a platform that rebroadcasts your transaction again and again which will not make any change unless the fee drops in the bitcoin network.

https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/ This is an actual TX accelerator with certain criteria to speed up the TX with low fees.

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Those local transactions have not yet been broadcast to the network you might accidentally click the save button instead of pay.
You can right-click on these transactions and then remove them.

Quote from: 237mark on November 20, 2023, 12:44:55 PM

You have multiple unconfirmed transactions did you made all of these transactions?

Pretty bad the recommended fee from mempool.space spikes again and all of your transactions use 15 to 40sat fees it's 4x lower than the recommended fee.

You can try to submit all of these transactions(except local transactions) to https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator
To accelerate them(as suggested above).

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Quote from: 237mark on November 20, 2023, 12:44:55 PM

I took a screenshot of the transactions from the electrum wallet so that you can see a little more. Is it possible to speed this up somehow or can someone realistically tell me how long it will take and what these local transactions are?

hosseinimr93 already told you what locals are so fast forward
About the tx themselves if you leave them liked hat NOBODY can tell you for sure if they eve will get confirmed and not completely dropped out of the mempool.

The solution, at least for the eons above 18sat/b is to use viabtc
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator
Every hour exactly after xx:00 there are 100 free spots for your tx, so you can try that.

Now, there might be a problem with it, if the tx is larger than 0.5 KB they will not accept it so your only choice is to speak with the sender and once the tx are dropped resend all the sum in one single batch.

Quote from: Bch219 on November 20, 2023, 12:58:07 PM

The second I have seen others suggest would be for you to use a site online, I don’t know if it actually works but here’s it, copy your transaction ID and paste. https://bitaccelerate.com/

Quote from: LoyceV on November 20, 2023, 01:00:20 PM

There's no point. ViaBTC is out of spots, and OP has no doubt a long line of unconfirmed parent transactions.

This hour maybe, OP can try every single hour to get one or two, he has no other solution anyhow.

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Quote from: 237mark on November 20, 2023, 12:44:55 PM

For a long time now, I have been receiving several small Bitcoin transactions

You should read my topic on Consolidating small inputs. In short: you screwed yourself big time by creating so many dust inputs in your wallet. With high fees, many of your inputs aren't worth the fee needed to send them. There's only one option: wait for fees to drop, and then consolidate your funds.

Quote from: Zaguru12 on November 20, 2023, 12:53:42 PM

you will need to use the CPFP method

CPFP is too expensive for dust inputs.

Quote from: Amphenomenon on November 20, 2023, 12:54:34 PM

use ViaBTC free accelerator.

There's no point. ViaBTC is out of spots, and OP has no doubt a long line of unconfirmed parent transactions.

Quote from: Bch219 on November 20, 2023, 12:58:07 PM

I don’t know if it actually works

Then don't post it! There's only one working free transaction accelerator, and that's ViaBTC. But they're very limited when fees go up.

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I have been doing a little research on this topic since the start of network congestion and from what I’ve learned so far I believe you can help hasten the transaction confirmation process.

The first one would be for you to use “Replace-by-fee, RBF”, if you have it enabled before you broadcasted your transaction, from what I understand it helps your transaction by replacing the fee you initially used therefore increasing the fee and more chance of it being included in a block.

The second I have seen others suggest would be for you to use a site online, I don’t know if it actually works but here’s it, copy your transaction ID and paste. https://bitaccelerate.com/

All I wrote are based on what I’ve read so far, so there’s a high probability of it being completely wrong.

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"Local" means that the transaction is in your wallet file, but it's not in the mempool of the node you have connected to. If you connect to a different server, there's a possibility that their status changes to unconfirmed.

Quote from: Zaguru12 on November 20, 2023, 12:53:42 PM

You use RBF bumping option to change the fee to the ones estimated by that site

That's not possible. In all transactions displayed in the screenshot, OP is the recevier.

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Have you try using an accelerator, This post will be helpful to you Mempool is congested, use ViaBTC free accelerator.

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All this unconfirmed transactions have low transaction fees that can’t get it confirmed currently, I saw the highest fee you set there was around 27sats I will advice you check https://mempool.space/ to see the estimated fees that could get your transaction confirmed fast. You use ~~RBF~~ bumping option to change the fee to the ones estimated by that site.

Edit: you will need to use the CPFP method

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hello,
For a long time now, I have been receiving several small Bitcoin transactions from a payment system to my trust wallet almost every day. Until about 2 weeks ago everything was ok and the transactions were usually confirmed within a few minutes. But for about 10 days now, since the blockchain has been a little overloaded, the transactions are no longer confirmed. I can't set a sending fee myself and the only thing I can see is that it is quite small. Now some transactions are no longer unconfirmed but local (I restored the wallet on Electrum and that's where I see it). On Blockchair, every transaction has been saying "in about 24 hours" for days.
I took a screenshot of the transactions from the electrum wallet so that you can see a little more. Is it possible to speed this up somehow or can someone realistically tell me how long it will take and what these local transactions are?
Any information or help would be very grateful
here screenshot of electrum transaction and thats not even all. the oldest is now like 10 days old

https://ibb.co/dPq62qz

regards

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