Topic: Unfair neutral trust (Read 281 times)

If everyone that writing about things they don't have a clue about then at least 70% of the users would have that tag, but I kinda think that tag is fair, because you should not spread false information. And now he saw it and gave a neutral tag, improve your knowledge and I am sure he will remove it. I haven't look it up, but if it based on feelings then it's wrong but i doubt it is. Actually when looking at Don Pedro Dinero's feedback wall and the feedback he left I will add him to my trust list I think he post fair feedback's and always use a REF-link. Thanks for making me aware of him. 

And this "Probably" feedback is nothing to care about, if he wrong I am sure he will delete it and apologize, if he right it was good he posted it.

Just a tip: don't care about the feedback. Just be yourself and let your actions speak for themself and I am sure the community will see who you are and what you made of brother, then the feedback will be irrelevant.

But its always people that will give feedback for zero reason (probably because their are controlled about their feelings) but don't care about that o them just move on.. nothing worth spending emotions on.

I don’t think OP has been active since he created this thread, he should have fixed the hyperlink in the post by now so we can know exactly what post he is referring to and get a better perspective on the situation. Though the reference link on the feedback he was given tells the story. I think Don Don Pedro Dinero is just tired of users making generic posts in the gambling board and creating spam threads hence the tag.

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OP we can’t change the feedback given to you, only the person who gave the feedback can remove it. Luckily for you, it’s not going to affect your reputation since it is a neutral feedback and might be changed if you improve your post quality. OP I checked your post history which btw is 90% in the Arabic local board and the rest are in gambling board, your activity outside these boards and merit threads are very low. You should work on that if you want your feedback to be reviewed.

There's one thing I noticed about neutral tags in the forum. The forum members do not always want to weigh the weight of neutral tags. There's always a statement of "it's just a neutral tag". But I believe that neutral tags beget red tags.

• If I were a campaign manager, I will not accept anyone with more than 2 neutral feedbacks which doesn't describe good.
• If I am a casino campaign manager, I will also not accept a user with this type of neutral feedback
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  He writes about gambling without having a clue
  So, it is natural if someone protests a neutral feedback given them. But not much can be done by the community to reverse it, unless someone who handed the neutral tag decides to delete it.

The neutral tag doesn't negate you and don't harm your profile, it actually suits what it's purpose so no need to make it a big deal. Usually neutral tag is easier to be removed of the one who gave it, unlike red tags.

I can think of two campaign managers in mind in particular that employ relatively new accounts even with the most dubious of posting patterns as well as tags too. If they were to explain their rationale for accepting those dubious accounts on their campaigns, most members here would probably disagree with their logic and that would lead to ask questions about their personal relationships to those accounts. That is a slightly different matter.

If the OP were to post in a constructive manner he will increase rank and enrol on to other campaigns. For now though, he has not been removed from his current campaign therefore he is bringing unnecessary attention to himself.

I don't see his tag is wrong, actually I agree with his opinion.

You already explain if gambling will drain your time and money, but you're still asking whether it's worth to invest your time and money, like what?



All you need is to improve your post, as I can see @Don Pedro Dinero is a fair user, I believe he will remove the tag when you already meet certain quality.

It will affect him, some managers are paying attention with neutral tags, so if he received a neutral tag with description don't understand gambling, it will lower the chance to get accepted in gambling campaign. Neutral tag or even negative tag is meaningless if the user is big guy like theymos, while @OP isn't.

It's just neutral trust. And the content is meaningless... Who cares if you do or do not understand gambling?

I see no downsides for you.

Yeah, that's not the way it works here--and you should know that by now.  You're going to have to accept a neutral trust regardless of what the community thinks about it, and in this case it looks like nobody really cares enough to challenge it.  Nor should they, because as has been stated already, it's just a neutral and has no effect on your trust score and was probably rightly given in the first place (though I haven't checked your post history, it wouldn't matter since I don't know enough about gambling to judge whether you're talking out of your ass or not).

Even if it was way off the mark, nobody is going to do anything to help you even if they could.  Just accept it and move on.

Neutral tags are appropriate or not, it depends on your tagging, we here have different views in assessing each post made by each member, If you send spam or make posts that you don't understand, of course, they have the right to clean it all up or warn the member, one of which is a neutral tag, that's a rational case.

Actually @Don has explained the problem you are facing, for that reason he warned you.

You create a topic here and you want to explain the problem that happened to you and ask @Don.

In fact, if you think professionally with a big heart, the topic you created could become the basis for change for you, for what is happening now to you and you can show here that you have changed and really provide quality posts on this forum, whether it's the gambling part, Bitcoin and so on, so that you have a full assessment by @Don and if you really change, maybe @Don can consider the neutral to be deleted, maybe.

I have not looked at your post history beyond what was linked in the reference post therefore cannot comment further but I will try to look at it and return with some opinions too.

You have shared your opinion (especially the part about English not being your first language) but the reality of the situation is that your complaint is about a neutral tag and that should not affect your standing in the forum or in the eyes of any campaign manager that might employ yours services in future.

In the end, he has justified the neutral tag with a reference link to a post that explains his rationale for the tag. There really is not anything to complain about.

If that is the case, my advice would be to accept the neutral tag and move forward in your journey within the forum. If you continue to post about gambling (or gaming/betting) and your posts come across as knowledgable and informative then maybe he will revise the tag in future but for now you should accept the tag and move on.

@ARTOIS, I wanted to be on your side before but if we should tell the truth, there are faults in what you posted. According to the post, it looks like you are not gambling but only posting to fulfill your weekly posts in order to earn money from a signature campaign. What I can say is that you should change and after some weeks, you can send Don Pedro Dinero a message, telling him to be reviewing your posts to know if the neutral tag should be removed or not.

It's just a neutral tag. There is nothing to worry about. But we could get neutral feedback for good things and bad things as well. I have not explored your threads yet, but I want to believe that Don has a good reason to write such feedback. People usually write anything on gambling discussions because they don't think others will read it. They just want to increase their post count, and that's it.

But I see how you wrote it here and accept your mistakes. If you are not lying, Don may revisit this thread and reconsider the feedback. But if you just an gambling board spammer, then you should try to improve yourself and check back again.

I don't know what's wrong with my neutral tags. As I said in another thread, I've been private messaged a few times already by members asking me to remove neutral tags, and in some cases I agreed. The funny thing is that I don't remember anyone sending me a private message about a negative tag.

I have looked at ARTOIS' case again and, first of all, I don't believe what he says about it being a problem of expression and that I don't understand him because he is not a native English speaker. I'm not either but when he says such an obvious falsehood as this:


...it is not a problem of linguistic comprehension. If you play slots or roulette on a single number, the odds are certainly not 50/50. But neither if you play red or black, because of the 0 or 0 and 00 depending on the type of roulette you play.

In any case, when I left him the tag it was because I had already seen him open several banal threads in the gambling section. Now I see that several were moved to off topic, which is consistent with my impression. So, if I deleted this neutral tag it would be to change it for another neutral tag saying that he writes low quality, at least in the gambling section. And for that, I'll leave it as it is.

You might want to fix the hyperlink as it currently points to your profile and not your thread.

Regarding your neutral tag, people can pretty much neutral tag you for anything. Unless it's just flat out crazy, noone in the community is going to crucify the user who gave it to you. Work it out with him when he replies and maybe you'll come to an agreement where the tag is removed after a certain period of time if it bothers you that much.

Don is part of the community, he gave advice to you and you appreciate it by calling it unfair?  Now you have learned some people here can call you out for anything.  

It's just a neutral tag.   Show others you know what you are talking about and you may get positive trust, which would override his.

Hello community,
Im opening this topic and reaching out to address a situation regarding a neutral trust rating I received from a member named Don Pedro Dinero with this comment "He writes about gambling without having a clue." I didn’t really notice the tag earlier because I’m not use to the trust system.
As a non native in English, I believe this might be a misunderstanding of what I was trying to say in my thread in the gambling discussion section. I didnt notice the trust rating earlier, but later I have sent a dm to Don Pedro Dinero to explain the situation. I clarified that he might have misunderstood me, as I am also a gambler and fully aware that gambling is not beneficial or a reliable way to make a living from it. I might have used the wrong term in the wrong way which led to this confusion.

I have been a registered member of Bitcointalk for several years, but I only became active this year. I do my best to contribute positively to the community without hurting or attacking anyone. However, this neutral trust rating has made me feel bad and not that motivated.

If the community believes that I deserve this trust rating I will accept it. However, I wanted to share my perspective and ask for your understanding. I am here to learn and grow with the community and would appreciate any support or advice you can offer.