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January 27, 2024, 02:49:05 AM
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I join the chorus to say that seeing posts that quotes very long comments can be quite annoying, you'd see like four or five lines of comment accompanying under the very long quote, it's very unnecessary to do that. Just do the right thing and put in the work by deleting sentences and paragraphs that are not needed in what you require from the quote, it'll make the post to look better and other members can relate better with the connection of quote and comment. I used to make that mistake too until I was corrected and I saw the sense in it, now I just quote only the specific areas that I need to connect to. I even get bored now when I see very long posts, some are unnecessarily long.
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This unnecessary quotes is very unprofessional though there are times when before an information can be passed, one have to make reference to the response of various individuals but some users here doesn't really understand the mode of quoting someone as if you actually they want to quote a particular reply, it's just to edit it and quote directly rather than giving references from the first person that started the quote.
I see it that some persons just feel so reluctant and lazy to edit a post and possibly quote a particular one they needed to quote which is a very bad habit, you see some users quoting about 10 replies at same time which makes them looks irrelevant and most users will rather skip such a reply rather than try to inculcate the information that the user tends to pass to readers.
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To me I just thought op you would at least cover or blank the usernames of those persons you used as example in the image of your op. I don't know how they will feel seeing their username there clearly bare but for me I will feel bad reason been that am ain't the only one in the forum that have done that pattern of quoting, a thousand of posters have done that and come to think of it am not sure it's against forum rules either. Nevertheless, moving forward it will be great to have users both newbies and old users learn to be specific in their quoting where necessary.
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Yes you are right, you can only see post like thing in the gambling section of the football thread. I think the reason for such quote like this is because the gambling section we have thread that anyone can just come up with a particular topic or sport news. If the the news is an interesting their will be a lot of quotes because the discussion is an interesting one and many people just want to add their contribution about the discussion.  It is only in the gambling section you  can see quote like this and I don't really blame people for this because gambling discussion is a very interesting one that many people would want to contribute on discussion for a very longtime.

Despite that the gambling section is an interesting place for sport discussions,  people should learn how to quote one after the other to make it easy for people to understand and for the sake of to make quoting look good.
I don’t mean to put the gambling board for criticism because this issue is prevalent on various boards in the forum not only in the gambling board. I have also seen legendary members make pyramid quotes in Bitcoin discussion. I think it’s most common in mega threads where the answer to the question has already been answered in the first few pages so everyone else is just replying to other people’s comments or going off-topic.
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People who do this probably do not see it as a problem or are too lazy to quote properly. This quoting pattern is common in football threads, it kind of makes it difficult for readers to know who exactly you’re responding to in your post. Is it the user in quote 1,2,3 or 4? It’s even worse if there is a large image in any of the quoted posts.

I don’t think it’s necessary to quote the OP if your post is in the first 5 pages of the thread. Unless you’re responding to a particular line in the OP. I usually do not read lengthy posts, so when I see someone who’s quoted a wall of text, I tend to skip that post. So even if the comment has value, it receives little recognition because the posting pattern is unpleasant to look at.
Yes you are right, you can only see post like this in the gambling section of the football thread. I think the reason for such quote like this is because the gambling section we have thread that anyone can just come up with a particular topic or sport news. If the the news is an interesting their will be a lot of quotes because the discussion is an interesting one and many people just want to add their contribution about the discussion.  It is only in the gambling section you  can see quote like this and I don't really blame people for this because gambling discussion is a very interesting one that many people would want to contribute on discussion for a very longtime.

Despite that the gambling section is an interesting place for sport discussions,  people should learn how to quote one after the other to make it easy for people to understand and for the sake of to make quoting look good.
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Most bounty hunters submit their weekly tasks like this. Although it is not against the rules of the forum. But nowadays bounty managers have brought many changes in the work. For example, if a hunter quotes a week's work with a new week's work, he is not given a weekly reward.
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I have only come across this type of replies in megathreads, mostly in gambling and speculation. If a person has to make this type of comment, they likely did it for a reason. There are some conversations where you have to go back to where it all started before you can understand what is being discussed. Most people do this so that anyone who enters a discussion can quickly read and understand where it all began. I don't expect a random person to jump into any argument or discussion without knowing the reasons.
I agree with you on this. Maybe the op is perturbed that some members are lazy enough to clip off some quotes that are not needed but this often happens in the gambling section and it's not something that can be helped. Some feel that as they've been quoted by someone and another says the same thing that the first quoter said, it would make sense to add all.
 Don't lose sleep over this, Op. There's bound to be users who don't learn as you do and I'm sure this kind of thing has been complained before. Maybe you could quietly PM the user to at least make his work near or you when trying to quote, you do the right thing..
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If might have been this topic here, though the idea seems to have been to reach 21M images …:

Let's Count to 21 Million with Images

Of course half of the images are no longer visible straight off, and there’s no way people are going to go back to a 2012..2015 thread to fix them (nor can they all technically), though this is a different matter altogether.
 
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion, just go on and quote the whole unnecessary discussions and it is a sign of spam too in my opinion but as far as I know, these nested quotes are not against the forum rules so they won't be deleted even if we report them but if the campaign managers pay attention then those users with low-quality posts can be denied towards paid post then we will see the changes in their actions.

Indeed, I believe that some people also make these kinds of quotes out of laziness; this is especially true for new members as I doubt long-time members will make such a comment. If someone claims they don't know how to quote someone appropriately, I will ask them what they are doing on the forum. The first thing new members should learn on the forum is how to reply to other members or quote well-written posts. While I acknowledge that mistakes are inevitable, it's sometimes a good idea to double-check your quoting style because there may be individuals who take offence at the way you took their words.

It's called pyramid quoting. Its very common for newbies. Even me, lol. I used to but I don't now. I don't see this much in the global section. But you'll find it widely on local sections. If you wanna reply cleanly to multiple person you should follow a basic rule. For example, I'll show below.



Quote
Person1=hello, I am newbie.
Welcome to bitcointalk newbie.

Quote
Person2=hello, good morning.
Good morning user.

Quote
Person3=Are you fine, sir?
Yes I am.

And so on.... I think this is the right format to reply multiple person in one single comment.


This is a really good example; in my opinion, it's another easy way to quote multiple people, and the people you quote will appreciate it when they see how you quote them. A lot of people find it hard to quote others, so they don't want to ask questions. I don't feel shy or embarrassed to ask questions I don't understand; I believe that some people on forums are affected by the idea that asking questions will make them look foolish, even though forums are a place where you are free to ask any questions you may have.
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Posts with huge pictures make it hard to navigate the topic too.

Were you around for the "Count to 1,000,000 using images!" thread?    Those were good times....

I can't remember how far we got.

Honestly, I haven't come across such a topic. I'd like to take a look at it. Is the title exactly as you wrote it? Cause I couldn't find anything under that title. Can you give me a link or is it not on the forum anymore?
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Some do it out of sheer ignorance because they don't understand that quoted posts can be edited very easily, and some others still think that their posts look better that way.
There's another reason, and that's when replying to someone who misquoted on a mobile phone as it can be a pain in the ass to delete all those unecessary replies while its like a 5 secs job on a PC. More than once I deleted everything by mistake several times in a row while replying in sucj situations, just to give up in the end, while some probably won't bother with it and will leave it as it is.

I have never used the forum in that way, so I cannot say how difficult it would be for me personally to edit posts, but for those who exclusively use smartphones for their use of the forum, in that case it would be better not to use the quote option at all, but to just write the name of the member they correspond to.

What is especially irritating is when you see that someone on page 15 of the topic quotes the entire OP and writes two or three sentences that actually have nothing to do with what was quoted. This is definitely the shitposter category I mentioned and anyone who sees it should react and use the "report to moderator" button.
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As far as I know, Pyramid Quotes are not banned on forums as long as the reply is still relevant, but it doesn't look beautiful maybe doing long Pyramid Quotes like that.

Whether an overquoting is relevant or not, it's still not welcome on the forum. And it is clearly stated in the forum rules. Such posts, which contain a pyramid of quotes, fall under point 1 of the forum rules. Please read carefully the note to point 1 of the forum rules.

1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.

why not create a thread on how to quote then? I haven't searched if there's one already though.

There are already such topics, no need to create new ones. If you look at the first post of this topic, there are links to these topics.

you can as well read in these few thread that have been created to teach members, on how to quote properly. let's all learn the right thing today and act in an organized manner.
[Tips] Posting technique

[TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
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I've seen this things happen mostly in the gambling section - an OP would quote as much post as possible just to type a single line of word..
Sometimes, Pictorial descriptions made by newbies are not visible since they can't post pictures - them OPs would do nothing more than just quoting the whole text repeatedly with Thier own solutions to whatever the problem was, instead of quoting the desired part...

maybe this thread would go along way in addressing this issue - why not create a thread on how to quote then? I haven't searched if there's one already though.

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I have only come across this type of replies in megathreads, mostly in gambling and speculation. If a person has to make this type of comment, they likely did it for a reason. There are some conversations where you have to go back to where it all started before you can understand what is being discussed. Most people do this so that anyone who enters a discussion can quickly read and understand where it all began. I don't expect a random person to jump into any argument or discussion without knowing the reasons.
Yes, actually that's the fact, and people not understand that some quoting arises from the way that conversation flows. And it's not that some people are lazy or lack common sense, but rather that this is how some debate flows and how people respond to each other.

I don't know why most people will point the finger at beginners; some seem to believe that biginners are the ones that quote like that most of the time. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that because that kind of quotation is common in talks about gambling.
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Since joining this forum, I've always been keen on learning new things from the more experienced members. This approach has taken me a long way. learning from them the right way on how to navigate the forum.

Along the way, I've noticed that some members might not be learning the correct way to do various activities on the forum, particularly when it comes to quoting. Some members struggle to understand the proper way to quote, often making the mistake of quoting the wrong person. The forum's quote button is designed to mention the specific member you've added to your quote. I've come across many discussions on how to quote properly to avoid mistakes like this.
Everyone will definitely learn from experience and the intention to develop in the forum must be accompanied by good and correct knowledge. That is one possibility for people who use cellphones when replying to posts and another possibility is that those who use PCs also do the same thing. As far as I know, Pyramid Quotes are not banned on forums as long as the reply is still relevant, but it doesn't look beautiful maybe doing long Pyramid Quotes like that.

I'm sure this is more often done by beginners because they are not yet familiar with how to quote more precisely for the post they want to reply to. Maybe it's also because people like this are too lazy to delete the first few posts to reply to the post they just wanted. For me quotes like that don't matter, but it will be much neater if you delete it first and reply according to what you want to comment on so that it is neater and more beautiful to look at.
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Some members struggle to understand the proper way to quote, often making the mistake of quoting the wrong person. The forum's quote button is designed to mention the specific member you've added to your quote.

Pyramid quoting is lengthy and clutters the thread, making the topic a bit hard to follow due to poor readability caused by this bad etiquette. The proper way is to quote only the relevant portions of the posts to maintain the clarity and overall readability of the thread. I personally find these pyramid quotes annoying, and I'm quite sure most members here find them annoying too.
Is there anything wrong when we quote? Nothing is wrong with that but sometimes it can be unnecessary when we keep quoting others without adjusting the level or the way we quote them. We can also cut out or remove some quotes so that we can make our writeup easy to comprehend and free rather than over quoting other people's posts. Op had done well letting us to know some certain things we need to do using our common sense without no one telling us to do so..
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Many beginners do such useless quotes. It looks very messy and not neatly organized. If you want to give a response, it's better to just do one quote. Doing so with all these quotes just makes it even more confusing. I always cut and delete quotes that are not really necessary to keep it neat and the purpose of the quote is achieved.
People that post in gambling section of the forum are used to that type of post. What I do not understand is the reason they make such pyramid quotes even when they aren't replying to every post in the quote.

One thing I have thought would be the reason they quote in such a manner is to make their post appear long and quality even when it is not. Apart from that I see no other reason.

Before I deactivated my telegram, that used to be a problem when I post in the gambling discussion. I would keep getting endless notifications even when the conversation no longer concerns me.
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It has become a habit in the forum. Not only the newbies but even old members. Some people who are older member here are soposed to correct the newbies about it. but it seams to me that they don't Care after all I get paid per Post, who will question me? But the habit makes people feel uncomfortable to read through the comment they've posted. That's why most old members are stagnant, because they fail to learn. Sometimes when I see people's activities, they are over 1200 and 20 merits. I ask myself what has this people been doing? Are they not participating in serious conversation? or they don't contribute meaningfuly? But looking at things now I think these are the things that made many people not to grow.  And dey end up monitoring whious growing faster and looking towards shuting down people's account.
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Another thing is that if you're a newbie and don't Know how to quote, it will make you appear being like a plagiarist, you will often mixed up your own post with the one you're quoting wrongly, another annoying fact about quoting is when one is not being specific on which exact aspect of the post content are they quoting or talking about, we need to read and learn to quote each aspect of concerns differently for easy understanding by the readers.
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Many beginners do such useless quotes. It looks very messy and not neatly organized. If you want to give a response, it's better to just do one quote. Doing so with all these quotes just makes it even more confusing. I always cut and delete quotes that are not really necessary to keep it neat and the purpose of the quote is achieved.
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Posts with huge pictures make it hard to navigate the topic too.

Were you around for the "Count to 1,000,000 using images!" thread?    Those were good times....

I can't remember how far we got.
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Sometimes what causes wrong quoting of post is inability of cross checking what you have quoted before posting...

Sorry, it doesn't take much intelligence and knowledge to click the preview button in the form for writing a post. Even the absolute beginner can do it.

...its obvious and self explanatory that a high rank forum members who have stayed in the forum more than two years can not quote wrongly consistently and if you observe such a thing for a high rank forum members that means it's a bought account.

I don't agree. It is far from certain that high rank accounts that have abused overquoting are purchased accounts.
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Sometimes what causes wrong quoting of post is inability of cross checking what you have quoted before posting, sometimes people that make such mistakes doesn't do it intentionally, so therefore I believe that people who quote do it for personal reasons, so I believe that is one of the things that contribute for wrong quoting of a post, at times newbie who joined forum newly who doesn't know exactly the genesis of forum can quote wrongly because they are not informed of the system of the forum, its obvious and self explanatory that a high rank forum members who have stayed in the forum more than two years can not quote wrongly consistently and if you observe such a thing for a high rank forum members that means it's a bought account.
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People who do this probably do not see it as a problem or are too lazy to quote properly. This quoting pattern is common in football threads, it kind of makes it difficult for readers to know who exactly you’re responding to in your post. Is it the user in quote 1,2,3 or 4? It’s even worse if there is a large image in any of the quoted posts.

I don’t think it’s necessary to quote the OP if your post is in the first 5 pages of the thread. Unless you’re responding to a particular line in the OP. I usually do not read lengthy posts, so when I see someone who’s quoted a wall of text, I tend to skip that post. So even if the comment has value, it receives little recognition because the posting pattern is unpleasant to look at.
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Some members struggle to understand the proper way to quote, often making the mistake of quoting the wrong person. The forum's quote button is designed to mention the specific member you've added to your quote.

Pyramid quoting is lengthy and clutters the thread, making the topic a bit hard to follow due to poor readability caused by this bad etiquette. The proper way is to quote only the relevant portions of the posts to maintain the clarity and overall readability of the thread. I personally find these pyramid quotes annoying, and I'm quite sure most members here find them annoying too.
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion, just go on and quote the whole unnecessary discussions and it is a sign of spam too in my opinion but as far as I know, these nested quotes are not against the forum rules so they won't be deleted even if we report them but if the campaign managers pay attention then those users with low-quality posts can be denied towards paid post then we will see the changes in their actions.

Same thought here, these people are maybe posting on their mobile phones and we know that it is very annoying to edit things in mobile phone but I do not think that is an excuse to just qoute everything and reply creating a pyramid quote.  It does not only deteriorate the quality of the reply, it is also a sore in the eye if we look at it.

Spammers don't know how to quote a line where they need a specific answer or discussion.

I do not think they don't know how to edit quote but I believe they are too lazy to edit the post so that is shows the line they wanted to give a reply with and sadly there are still high-ranking members who are too lazy to edit and give answers to specific lines. 
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This has been discussed on the forum many times. But I regret to see that users are not learning. Especially those who joined for earning from the forum, they really don't care about this kind of stuff. Pyramid quotes look spammy throughout the whole thread. Spammers don't know how to quote a line where they need a specific answer or discussion. Pyramid quote discourages reading the reply.
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For those using the Telegram bot, this can be annoying when you're mentioned unnecessarily, and keep getting notifications even if you're not involved in the current discussion. I personally urge all members, not just the newbies but also those who are guilty of this, to stop and learn the proper way to quote a post.
Honestly, I am among those bothered by this because these notifications come to me through the SuperNotifier bot due to many pyramid quotes. When I check one of these notifications, I find that my account and many members not intended within these quotes have been mentioned. Afterward, I ask myself, to whom is this person addressing his post, which includes all these quotes? Therefore, his contribution became worthless and may even become spam and off-topic. Therefore, this topic is good for beginners or anyone still unknowingly engaging in these annoying quotes. We all started as beginners and made mistakes when joining the forum. However, learning from mistakes enhances the quality of posts and makes members understand forum posts.
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Yeah, I agree with you. Posts with huge pictures make it hard to navigate the topic too. This is most likely because few people know the BB code to control the size of the picture or just because they are too lazy to edit the link to the picture.
I must admit that I also posted big images several times. Resizing image with bbcode when you're on mobile is damn difficult. Usually I struggle until I find right numbers in code that image would look appropriate.

In my opinion, adding one word to the "image" tag, adding an equals sign and entering a number is not that hard even on a smartphone. If only there was a desire, as they say Wink It's not like editing a post with a lot of quotes. Although I do both quite often on a smartphone with a 6.9 inch screen size.

Here, for example, are a couple of posts I edited on a smartphone - first and second. In the second post I have also had to insert a table as well.

But you know what is worse than large images? Huge images included in pyramid quotes...

Well, you are already describing an extreme situation Smiley
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Yeah, I agree with you. Posts with huge pictures make it hard to navigate the topic too. This is most likely because few people know the BB code to control the size of the picture or just because they are too lazy to edit the link to the picture.
I must admit that I also posted big images several times. Resizing image with bbcode when you're on mobile is damn difficult. Usually I struggle until I find right numbers in code that image would look appropriate.
But you know what is worse than large images? Huge images included in pyramid quotes...
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Since joining this forum, I've always been keen on learning new things from the more experienced members. This approach has taken me a long way. learning from them the right way on how to navigate the forum.

Along the way, I've noticed that some members might not be learning the correct way to do various activities on the forum, particularly when it comes to quoting. Some members struggle to understand the proper way to quote, often making the mistake of quoting the wrong person. The forum's quote button is designed to mention the specific member you've added to your quote. I've come across many discussions on how to quote properly to avoid mistakes like this.
This is one of the earliest mistakes and most common mistakes that most users without a forum experience make in their earlier days on the forum. It is a conscious unconscious mistake that requires serious effort to avoid. And as you get better or older on the forum you divert to other quoting formats such as "~snip~", <...>. These are the commonest variants that I have seen. Another common mistake is quote without removing the picture or pictures from the quote.
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I completely agree with you! Quoting is similar to speaking back, but with words. But, hey, let's talk about the picture-quote overload, serious eye strain, right? It's like a never-ending quote parade. In addition to posting 101, include some images and clean links. It makes the topic easier to read, and no one has to squint at a really long link. Keep everything neat and show some appreciation for the visual appeal. It would make people stay to read and even reply.

Yeah, I agree with you. Posts with huge pictures make it hard to navigate the topic too. This is most likely because few people know the BB code to control the size of the picture or just because they are too lazy to edit the link to the picture.
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This counts as unnecessary quoting which the OP is talking about.

So yes, I have been there. It's not always about laziness, something it may be the difficulty that makes them not editing additional quotes. It term of computer, its much much easy to copy, paste, edit, delete and repeat. 
I have been there too. I use mobile every now and again when I am on the road. The forum is not mobile friendly but anyone who does not want to quote excessively will only be taking out a little of their time to trim down quotes. Worth the effort to keep a thread readable.

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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion,
I disagree that mobile users make up the majority of pyramid posts because, as someone who uses a phone for posting, I too am aware that pyramid posting is not ideal and I don't quote every single thread that someone posts. Mobile users who know how to quote properly are not lazy to trim their quotes.
I disagree  Smiley. As a mobile user myself, I know how it feels to use bitcointalk on a mobile. Man!!! It's not mobile friendly. Even making a simple post is hard enough let along trimming unnecessary quotes. You cannot navigate the forum without zooming in or out, unless you use third party scripts or extension to make the pages resizable. So yes, I have been there. It's not always about laziness, something it may be the difficulty that makes them not editing additional quotes. It term of computer, its much much easy to copy, paste, edit, delete and repeat. 

But yes, if you talk about gambling section, there is no doubt's about what you said is 100% true. Most of these pyramid is in gambling and locals, where rules aren't followed that much.
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Users who're in this section most likely will not use pyramid quoting, in gambling board the moderation is low than here. So your message can't be delivered to them except you remind them in section where they mostly post.
Some people that responded in this topic didn't properly quote so its not a bad idea to remind members every once in a while about importance of a proper quoting and avoiding pyramid quotes.


Some do it out of sheer ignorance because they don't understand that quoted posts can be edited very easily, and some others still think that their posts look better that way.
There's another reason, and that's when replying to someone who misquoted on a mobile phone as it can be a pain in the ass to delete all those unecessary replies while its like a 5 secs job on a PC. More than once I deleted everything by mistake several times in a row while replying in sucj situations, just to give up in the end, while some probably won't bother with it and will leave it as it is.
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I seriously didn't like it as it is just wasting time for the person who is going to scroll down and if he wants to get to its own message then it takes much time which is not good. Secondly I personally didn't want to do it because the messages that are quotes should be only that messages which are according to the use and which we we want to give reply and answer.

Mostly the newbie do that and the users mostly which are not aware of it are doing this type of mistakes. Although I hope the users who are seeing this should be very careful about it next time.
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion,
I disagree that mobile users make up the majority of pyramid posts because, as someone who uses a phone for posting, I too am aware that pyramid posting is not ideal and I don't quote every single thread that someone posts. Mobile users who know how to quote properly are not lazy to trim their quotes.

I am not saying most mobile users are practicing this pyramid quoting style, but those who do are mostly mobile users and they feel lazy to edit the content and just go one and continue to edit the whole. Even I do use mobile for bitcointalk and sometimes I have to comment on something, when I have to I will try to edit as much as possible or just clear the whole and stay on topic or if I want to respond to the previous ones reply I just use ^ kind of symbol and like that.
The places where I have seen much of this type of posting would be the gambling discussion thread, especially very popular ones like the premier league thread and so many other football discussion thread. Well I don't know if you can term this to mostly mobile users as I know when it comes to laziness even the users that are using PC and desktop can also be lazy as this is one of the most common trait among human beings.
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unnecessarily quoting by members of the forum.

A lot of members on the forum use the quote option completely unnecessarily or in an inappropriate way, without realizing how ugly their posts look from an aesthetic point of view. Some do it out of sheer ignorance because they don't understand that quoted posts can be edited very easily, and some others still think that their posts look better that way. Even in this topic, some use quotes completely unnecessarily, and what is even more tragic, they try to teach someone something about it.

@Renampun, @sokani, @DubemIfedigbo001 - do you think it makes any sense that you quoted the OP and did exactly what the OP is warning you about?

By the way, posts in which the quote option is used inappropriately can be reported to the moderators, and most of the posts that I reported were deleted.
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Along the way, I've noticed that some members might not be learning the correct way to do various activities on the forum, particularly when it comes to quoting. Some members struggle to understand the proper way to quote, often making the mistake of quoting the wrong person.
Funny enough, my major challenge when I started making replies to people's threads was how to quote people in the right context. I remember at my initial time that I used to just hit the quote button and just start writing what was in my mind, there was an instance when i quoted rubbish and both what I wrote and the thing I quoted all came out together inside the box and it became confusing to even me that wrote the stuff. What helped me learn how to make the right quote was making use of my preview before posting any content. When I did the preview, I would then make necessary adjustments that would sink well with what I want to achieve.
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But... they're not post in this section, so the chance for them to read your post is low.

Users who're in this section most likely will not use pyramid quoting, in gambling board the moderation is low than here. So your message can't be delivered to them except you remind them in section where they mostly post.

After all they're participate in a campaign where they have an opportunity to get paid for +100 posts, it's not surprising.
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I have only come across this type of replies in megathreads, mostly in gambling and speculation. If a person has to make this type of comment, they likely did it for a reason. There are some conversations where you have to go back to where it all started before you can understand what is being discussed. Most people do this so that anyone who enters a discussion can quickly read and understand where it all began. I don't expect a random person to jump into any argument or discussion without knowing the reasons.

Yeah, your are quite right I've seen some posts that if the first person that started the discussion is not referenced then the content of the information might not completely make any meaning. It is important for users to calm down and read carefully before quoting someone in other to know the kind of information the user is passing because if the conversation is being bridged then the reader may find it difficult to comprehend the content of the write up.
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion, just go on and quote the whole unnecessary discussions and it is a sign of spam too in my opinion but as far as I know, these nested quotes are not against the forum rules so they won't be deleted even if we report them but if the campaign managers pay attention then those users with low-quality posts can be denied towards paid post then we will see the changes in their actions.
Not only mobile users but I think this is due to laziness. I'm a mobile user so I don't post using quotes like this most of the time. Such posts look very awkward and nasty. I've seen in some cases even posts with lots of quotes from big legends. Only posts to which we reply should be quoted  OP brings up a very good point here OP I always applaud this discussion. I think every new member can learn something good from here. And those of us who post out of such laziness won't post anymore because our posts will look so much better.
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion, just go on and quote the whole unnecessary discussions and it is a sign of spam too in my opinion.
Well Im a mobile users and dont do like this, aside from be in gn an eyesore people quoting like this are really lazy enough imagine how many layers of that would be seen. I think we bettet educate newbies about how to quote properly or at least they been aware of how to do it. Its not its prohibited but a healthy discussion is also good if seen easily and not cramped like this one.
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion,
I disagree that mobile users make up the majority of pyramid posts because, as someone who uses a phone for posting, I too am aware that pyramid posting is not ideal and I don't quote every single thread that someone posts. Mobile users who know how to quote properly are not lazy to trim their quotes.

I am not saying most mobile users are practicing this pyramid quoting style, but those who do are mostly mobile users and they feel lazy to edit the content and just go one and continue to edit the whole. Even I do use mobile for bitcointalk and sometimes I have to comment on something, when I have to I will try to edit as much as possible or just clear the whole and stay on topic or if I want to respond to the previous ones reply I just use ^ kind of symbol and like that.
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However, some members keep making the same mistake repeatedly and have chosen not to learn. There are many ways to quote a lengthy thread without repeating everything in your reply. Simply edit your post and remove the users you aren't referring to.
well said OP, I don't attend to contributions like this because its very difficult to decipher what the person is replying to and who he's referring to. For me, its just stressful to engage  and when I see such in a thread, I just skip it and continue reading other contributions cos I'm allergic to cognitive friction.

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you can as well read in these few thread that have been created to teach members, on how to quote properly. let's all learn the right thing today and act in an organized manner.
[Tips] Posting technique

[TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
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I completely agree with you! Quoting is similar to speaking back, but with words. But, hey, let's talk about the picture-quote overload, serious eye strain, right? It's like a never-ending quote parade. In addition to posting 101, include some images and clean links. It makes the topic easier to read, and no one has to squint at a really long link. Keep everything neat and show some appreciation for the visual appeal. It would make people stay to read and even reply.
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These types of pyramid quotes you will usually find in gambling related sections where they are making posts in a such a manner but it is unnecessary according to me as well and you should reply to specific part of a post or if you want to quote whole post then use snip option but still you would find members doing it.It can happen sometime when you are on mobile but always doing the same thing just shows inappropriate posting behavior.
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Over-quoting is definitely a bad habit of some users who either out of laziness or ignorance of how to cut out unnecessary quotations create such posts. I've seen cases where to read a reply in such posts you have to scroll almost half a page. I will not speak for other moderators, but if anyone comes across posts that quote five or more users in the sections of the forum where I am a moderator, you can send reports on such posts. You can also report posts that quote huge chunks of text or huge pictures.
It is a bad habit with good posters because they don't feel good by themselves when over-quote like this. Assume I am a good poster, I will pick a point to quote and discuss that point. If I over quote, I will struggle myself that what point I am discussing and surely readers will have more difficulty to find what I am discussing.

But it is a good habit for shit posters because it saves their time. Over quoting is one of things to recognize shit posters.
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Over-quoting is definitely a bad habit of some users who either out of laziness or ignorance of how to cut out unnecessary quotations create such posts. I've seen cases where to read a reply in such posts you have to scroll almost half a page. I will not speak for other moderators, but if anyone comes across posts that quote five or more users in the sections of the forum where I am a moderator, you can send reports on such posts. You can also report posts that quote huge chunks of text or huge pictures.
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Is it complicated for those senior members, trimming the previous post so they have to quote that long lol, I just feel uncomfortable when I see it, cutting quotes is part of written literacy, surely the text that is quoted will look neater and easier to read, but I It's quite surprising why so many members still quote that much.

if it has become a habit then it will definitely be difficult to change it, and thankfully quotes like that only happen in megathreads lol.
Well, it's not hard to find where you want to read from the post like that because it's on the bottom either you made a sentence or a paragraph. I would also say the same as what Findingnemo explained as some are too lazy to edit or trim the post because they are using mobile. I find it hard too to edit the post especially when you use mobile to post since it is not the same as laptop and desktop. I sometimes quote some post and not edit it since it is not against the forum rules and it is considered as spam too even though you may have posted on topic but it is because of not trimming the previous post.
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However, some members keep making the same mistake repeatedly and have chosen not to learn. For those using the Telegram bot, this can be annoying when you're mentioned unnecessarily, and keep getting notifications even if you're not involved in the current discussion.



The telegram bot that I use only notifies me of direct quotes and mentions, and the bot that I created used to do the same. So it's not really a major problem, the biggest annoyance is that it makes the threads less readable, and in general I just skip reading the reply of a pyramid quote, because it  most likely has zero value because good posters don't make such mistakes.
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Some quotes are necessary some unnecessary and one of the purposes of multi-quoting is to call out those early posters about the information they provided by quoting them they are being called out, provided of course that they subscribe to the notification bot, it is a flow of conversation summarizing, but I agree there should be a limit on quoting, too much quoting will confuse many readers.
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I have only come across this type of replies in megathreads, mostly in gambling and speculation. If a person has to make this type of comment, they likely did it for a reason. There are some conversations where you have to go back to where it all started before you can understand what is being discussed. Most people do this so that anyone who enters a discussion can quickly read and understand where it all began. I don't expect a random person to jump into any argument or discussion without knowing the reasons.
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Is it complicated for those senior members, trimming the previous post so they have to quote that long lol, I just feel uncomfortable when I see it, cutting quotes is part of written literacy, surely the text that is quoted will look neater and easier to read, but I It's quite surprising why so many members still quote that much.

if it has become a habit then it will definitely be difficult to change it, and thankfully quotes like that only happen in megathreads lol.
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Thanks for bringing this up. Like you said, it's not the first time a complaint like this has been made but let's hope your little shout can make a huge difference. I think it's not the newbies alone that are guilty of such practices, sadly it something that's done by all the ranking members on the forum. I see a lot of it on mega threads, especially on the gambling board and I find it really messy. IMO, single or double quote is enough and there's no need to pyramid quote just because you want to make a post or buttress a point.
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you can as well read in these few thread that have been created to teach members, on how to quote properly. let's all learn the right thing today and act in an organized manner.
[Tips] Posting technique

[TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Pyramid posting isn't against the forum rules, in my opinion, and there are situations when comments must be made in that style so that everyone can see and read the messages being replied to, much like on lending board. However, newcomers misuse the system excessively because they constantly neglect stuff. They are always told to read before posting, but they ignore this advice and post without fully understanding the forum, which leads to wrong actions. The funniest part of it all is seeing a very short post carrying a long pyramid on it’s head which they could’ve just quote the sentence that is to be replied. OP you did a good thing sharing these tips with us so newbies and those who don’t properly understand how to quote will learn from them. Pyramid quotes should be avoided where not necessary.

Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion, just go on and quote the whole unnecessary discussions and it is a sign of spam too in my opinion
I don't even bother reading these articles because it's obvious from the first glance that they are spam, especially when they are from beginners. I disagree that mobile users make up the majority of pyramid posts because, as someone who uses a phone for posting, I too am aware that pyramid posting is not ideal and I don't quote every single thread that someone posts. Mobile users who know how to quote properly are not lazy to trim their quotes. If you are not knowledgeable about how to properly make quotes you will definitely end up making pyramid post regardless of the device you use so laziness does not come with a particular device and even PC users can become lazy and make pyramid posts.

t's still actually annoying, currently I mainly log in on my phone but that doesn't withhold me for trying to do something properly. It may be that they don't really know how annoying it is or they are just doing it just to complete their weekly post for their campaign.
I choose to ignore such postings because I am more interested in well-posted content, and pyramid posts tend to be crowded with information that makes it challenging to understand what is being said and whose quote I am currently reading. I appreciate the OP's effort in creating this thread to discourage it, but it is really bothersome. All I'm hoping for is that newbies would start reading before they post so they may find this and other related posts and gain knowledge from them. People should quit publishing in this manner since, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not the only one who ignores most pyramid posts that are actually useless.
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I think if you're making a quote during a particular discussion, you should be specific on what you're quoting, multi quoting is not that being professional except if you pick out the different aspects of the posts you're quoting to speak on each seperately, maybe lately am beginning to see the reason why mega threads posts are not allowed in some cases because they are old and long time existing threads almost everything had been discussed about the subject matter and other comments may not carry very important idea anymore as when it all started.
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It's called pyramid quoting. Its very common for newbies. Even me, lol. I used to but I don't now. I don't see this much in the global section. But you'll find it widely on local sections. If you wanna reply cleanly to multiple person you should follow a basic rule. For example, I'll show below.
According to the OP post, he already knew it was a pyramid post, which is prohibited in the forum, and you are posting like he doesn't know what a pyramid quote is and we should avoid it. And we really don't have to see this in global sections because the rules are strictly obeyed there, and consistently making pyramid quotations can cause trouble.
Still, I'm sure it's not frequent in nature, rarely in a week or month you'll face it.
It does not matter if this case is rare or not; the forum has prohibited the use of PayPal quotes, so it is better for everyone to avoid unnecessary quotations. I also used to do this, but from the time I learned about it, I tried not to do it. If I have to, I prefer to write names, but in most cases, I don't have to, and that's where I agree with you because if I have to use it rarely, then you are 100 percent sure that it's not frequent, and it's been proven.

Other than Pyramid quoting, unnecessary calling is also annoying. For example,  if a person makes a post and calls your name in it, and another person tries to reply to that post, including your username, it will give you a notification of a quotation while the person replying to that quote is not talking to you.
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However, some members keep making the same mistake repeatedly and have chosen not to learn. For those using the Telegram bot, this can be annoying when you're mentioned unnecessarily, and keep getting notifications even if you're not involved in the current discussion. I personally urge all members, not just the newbies but also those who are guilty of this, to stop and learn the proper way to quote a post. This will not only remove you from the list of annoying members for others but also improve the quality of your posts. There are many ways to quote a lengthy thread without repeating everything in your reply. Simply edit your post and remove the users you aren't referring to.

you can as well read in these few thread that have been created to teach members, on how to quote properly. let's all learn the right thing today and act in an organized manner.
[Tips] Posting technique

[TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)



It's very annoying when I see members' posts that "quote" quite long, while I always cut off parts that I think are already long, I see quite a lot of senior members who don't want to change this habit, they seem to feel that what they are doing that's right, however, quoting at length only disturbs the discussion. Just quote the part that interests you and you think is important, not all of it, let's discuss it regularly.
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Some people just will never learn and probably they don't even want to learn. When I joined Bitcointalk 8 years ago, things looked same like in your image and not much has changed in all these years. And it's not just newbies, so many old members are doing same. Many people are too lazy and ignorant to remove irrevelant parts of quote. There is also part about SMF being old - I saw some other forums where it's physically impossible to make such huge quotes - you only can make quote of one post, not 5, 10 or 20.
And yeah, there is good point about Telegram bot notifications - it's really annoying when your name is getting mentione in discussion where you don't participate.
BTW, such pyramid quotes is a thing just on Bitcointalk. I saw it on other forums where people aren't getting paid from signature campaigns.
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Hmm, Is there any problem with the multi-quotes except the bot notifications, I've seen mostly people making such posts in the gambling discussion sections and mostly in WO, and Pyramid Quotes as far I know in the local section moderators & users themselves realize their annoying nature.

These are just low-energy actions a maximum of times, the more annoying posts than a Pyramid quoted post is a full quote and comment on a specific point in the whole length of the post, due to the unclear context of the quote it's really troublesome to respond again, mostly newbies make such posts due to unclear quoting method. Still, I'm sure it's not frequent in nature, rarely in a week or month you'll face it.
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Well, I don't know where exactly this your post is focusing on honesty. Is it about nested/pyramid qoute or about telegram notification? I don't see anything big here because if it's the former, although Forum discourage it but it's not completely against Forum rules and if it is the later, I would advise you to simply ignore the notification if you are not interested in the discussion. Normally, you don't respond to every post you are quoted. Besides, this act is mostly common in gambling section and if you notice, most of these quotes are some how connected.

Sometimes, it's not about laziness to qoute differently but instead of quoting differently and respond to each with either one line or just a single word, they qoute altogether and summarize their comments under. One important thing to note here is that, newbies are not too fond of doing this but well established members and you can not say they don't know how to qoute properly.
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion, just go on and quote the whole unnecessary discussions and it is a sign of spam too in my opinion but as far as I know, these nested quotes are not against the forum rules so they won't be deleted even if we report them but if the campaign managers pay attention then those users with low-quality posts can be denied towards paid post then we will see the changes in their actions.
  it's still actually annoying, currently I mainly log in on my phone but that doesn't withhold me for trying to do something properly. It may be that they don't really know how annoying it is or they are just doing it just to complete their weekly post for their campaign.
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It's called pyramid quoting. Its very common for newbies. Even me, lol. I used to but I don't now. I don't see this much in the global section. But you'll find it widely on local sections. If you wanna reply cleanly to multiple person you should follow a basic rule. For example, I'll show below.



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Person1=hello, I am newbie.
Welcome to bitcointalk newbie.

Quote
Person2=hello, good morning.
Good morning user.

Quote
Person3=Are you fine, sir?
Yes I am.

And so on.... I think this is the right format to reply multiple person in one single comment.
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion, just go on and quote the whole unnecessary discussions and it is a sign of spam too in my opinion but as far as I know, these nested quotes are not against the forum rules so they won't be deleted even if we report them but if the campaign managers pay attention then those users with low-quality posts can be denied towards paid post then we will see the changes in their actions.
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Since joining this forum, I've always been keen on learning new things from the more experienced members. This approach has taken me a long way. learning from them the right way on how to navigate the forum.

Along the way, I've noticed that some members might not be learning the correct way to do various activities on the forum, particularly when it comes to quoting. Some members struggle to understand the proper way to quote, often making the mistake of quoting the wrong person. The forum's quote button is designed to mention the specific member you've added to your quote. I've come across many discussions on how to quote properly to avoid mistakes like this.





However, some members keep making the same mistake repeatedly and have chosen not to learn. For those using the Telegram bot, this can be annoying when you're mentioned unnecessarily, and keep getting notifications even if you're not involved in the current discussion. I personally urge all members, not just the newbies but also those who are guilty of this, to stop and learn the proper way to quote a post. This will not only remove you from the list of annoying members for others but also improve the quality of your posts. There are many ways to quote a lengthy thread without repeating everything in your reply. Simply edit your post and remove the users you aren't referring to.

you can as well read in these few thread that have been created to teach members, on how to quote properly. let's all learn the right thing today and act in an organized manner.
[Tips] Posting technique

[TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)

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