Topic: Unreasonable ban of Snork1979 account (Read 437 times)

Write a letter to theymos. I am sure he will fix this asap. Otherwise nothing much you can do other than complaining of course. Sadly many parts of the internet are infected with people who carry the woke mind virus. Especially reddit. This forum is partly infected too but the global part is still (partly at least) fine imo. You might wanna leave your local board completely and express your opinions in global if Theymos doesn’t do anything about it. Remember: the Demo*rats are all for free speech as long as it benefits them. These freaks banned their own president from the social media not so long ago.

The way I see it, trust is only supposed to be given for trades. For P2P marketplace purposes.

Most of the negative trust nowadays is symbolic but let's be honest here, do you think anyone would do a trade with people like OP? Or even whether the OP himself would do such a trade? Most people who register here aren't looking to buy or sell.

It shouldn't have to do with whether or not the people who tagged him would make a deal with him. There's plenty of people I wouldn't deal with and I wouldn't leave them a red tag for it. It depends on whether or not behavior exhibited suggests they are "high risk." I suppose its subjective but based on what is written in the tags, they should all be neutral instead of red. It just happens that the war is a very contentious subject and sometimes people let their emotions get the best of them.

Thank you for your objective assessment of the situation.
As I have found, few people here are capable of that.
As I see it, most participants think that it is "normal" to put red tags for political reasons.

Yes, after 6 years on our forum, I finally understood why many participants create several accounts )
Fortunately, there is very weak protection against creating multiple accounts, as I have already seen in the last two weeks. There is not even verification and confirmation of e-mail or anything else. And therefore, creating a new account takes no more than 2 minutes.

Yes, icopress made a bet with me.
He lost to me then and paid the money.
After which he gave me a red tag.

I don't see it that way. A red tag means that the person who leaves it believes that dealing with the one in the profile is high risk. In this case the red tags have a political origin and in principle it might seem that they are not justified but do you think that any of the three who left him a red tag would make any kind of economic deal with the OP? This is a case of not trusting someone because of how they behave on the forum, even if you have not had any economic dealings with them.

The other reason for not moving it is its a form of ban evasion to post outside of Meta while your primary account is banned.

You have a point that the red tags on your account aren't really justified. However, it appears that the ban is. When you are unbanned, try not to troll so much so it doesn't happen again. Good luck.

After seeing the comments I saw above, I have nothing to say here, but one thing I did not like at all is that the important members of the forum explained everything to him so beautifully, but he kept replying to every word without listening to anyone. I found this very bad. Everyone explained it so beautifully and in a friendly manner, yet he is talking about a different ego.

Sonk1979_ I have some important things for you, I hope you have got a very good answer to the problem you posted here. And there is no need to create multiple accounts like this, you talk everything with one account, don't create so many alt accounts, it is ruining your reputation in the forum.

This may seem like this to you, but it does not seem like this to me because the way he talks, it seems that he is not a new member here, he is a very old and well-understanding member. I think he is doing this on purpose by creating new accounts. You may have seen on the reporting board that for a few days now, a new member has been creating multiple accounts and posting different types of posts, and despite giving him good advice, he hasn't stopped. I wonder if something similar has started here too.

But you still provoked the moderator to ban you. I would say that politics still concerns you.
As I said before, there are better places than Bitcointalk for a dramatic discussion of politics, and you are proof of that. Legendary member when you wrote about Bitcoin & crypto, banned when you moved to the political part.

Man, you'll be very surprised, but I got my legendary status on our forum precisely for discussions related to Bitcoin and crypto (I don't care about politics as long as it doesn't concern me).
So I know exactly what that forum is about.

It seems you didn't read carefully.
The global moderator @hilariousandco wrote directly that this discussion should be in Meta.
And suchmoon answered my simple question "A or B?" with "Yes" and didn't write anything more intelligible.

Try to understand that many who are experienced have advised you to post it on the reputation board. @hilariousandco (Global Moderator) and @suchmoon already responded.

The best solution is if you move it to the reputation board.

Man, the Bitcointalk forum is mainly focused on discussions related to Bitcoin and crypto. OK, other discussions outside the cryptosystem are also allowed, but certainly, any political rampage is not something we want here. If you want unlimited discussions about politics and war, surely there are more friendly places for that. Bitcointalk.org is not one of those places.

To me, this looks like a person who can't remember the password until the next login, so it's easier for him to create a new account.

I am very pleased that my topic has generated such interest in our crypto community.
Thank you!

I will answer in order:

I have also been on this forum for a long time and have never been banned here with such wording before.
They only started banning this year and only those who support Russia.
If you support Ukraine, you won't be banned in the Russian section for trolling, off-topic, or even for posting photos of corpses and wishing death to all Russians.
That's the kind of double moderation standards we have now.

80 years ago, people who refused to support the Nazi regime of the Third Reich were sent to concentration camps.
Now, people who refuse to support Ukraine are given negative trust and banned.
Nothing has fundamentally changed in 80 years. Isn't that right?

Excellent lesson!
In addition to "religion, race or nationality", I would also add "political views".
Perhaps you could tell our "respected forum members 1miau, Icopress and GazetaBitcoin" about this lesson?
And they will stop giving negative trust to people who have different political views?

Simple answer: to write on our forum.
When Xal0lex banned me for 30 days for my support of Russia, I simply left the forum for 30 days. But now I will not remain silent.
So I create a new account and write under it (without spam and offtopic). Then Xal0lex comes and bans this new account.
Then I create a new account and continue writing under it.

I am here to challenge the illegal actions of our moderator Xal0lex.

Unfortunately, this law is not followed in the Russian part of the forum.
If trolling and off-topic are now subject to ban, then why were none of my opponents banned? Given that there is much more trolling and off-topic on their part than on mine.
But, as I already said, only those users who support Russia are banned.
Xal0lex does not ban users who support Ukraine.

I am a citizen of Russia and I support Russia.
Xal0lex is a citizen of Ukraine and he supports Ukraine.
I understand this perfectly well. And there are no claims against him for this reason.
But using moderator powers for personal purposes is a violation.

Yes, it took me several days and several new accounts to get this information.

There is no word "global" in Xal0lex's profile.
But that doesn't stop him from banning users he doesn't like.

It's very easy to write about empathy when the war doesn't affect you and your country.
I hope the war never affects you.

I second @NotfuzzyWarm' s opinion. I mean what better way is there to continue your mindless rant and obviously senseless charade than to cook up more accounts when the previous ones get flagged for breaking the rules? Everyone is entitled to their opinions but it's important that we show a little empathy for thosr warring nations and the fact that you aren't happy with the other side that is affected by the way doesn't mean you have to use hateful words on them.

 The thing with some of these spammers and trolls is that they are the ones to cry foul and immediately seek redress like they were unnecessarily penalized or mistreated but when you check deeper, you'd find out that they are deserving of the punishment meted on them.

I am not sure that the moderator of your local board can ban you. Unless he is a global moderator. I don't know if Xal0lex is now a global moderator.
Again, reading the feedback on your profile shows that you are a troll and supports Putin invasion of Ukraine to a large extent. The negative tag should be ok, maybe you broke a different rule that led to your ban.

Forum issues belong in meta and given it's about a staff member Meta is the place for it.

Are you here to make an appeal or to question the moderators responsibilities.


we have more than millions of users on this forum and this has been from time to time and am just coming across something like this for the first time from an inconsiderate user like you, if there is no law, there is no sin, you go against the law and you receive the consequences, why the worry.


Yes, because no one is above the law, including the admin.


This forum is called bitcointalk, everyone has the freedom of talking, but not for you to abuse the privilege that through such you get banned, you wont ever state your own reason for gettign banned, i know that, moreover i expect you to engage mostly in making arguments or discussions about bitcoin and not political, which may renders all your efforts here irrelevant.

Because the OP is apparently a self-righteous asshat on a crusade?

 
You should post your thread in Reputation, not Meta.
By the way I'm curious, why do you need to create so many accounts?

I just made a glance through your alleged banned account and saw that you were tagged with 3 negative trust by 3 of the most respectable members on this forum about your undiluted support for the Russians to kill more people in Ukraine which have cost the lost of lives of over 100,000 people ever since the war started. Of which in normal human being will applaud or will be happy for you for saying such hateful statement in an online community such as this. So I strongly blame you O.P for insisting on making such derogating comment about human kind while hiding under the umbrella of "Free Speech". So I think this ban, I don't know if it's temporary or permanent should serve as a lesson to others to be always mindful of their choice of words in an online community like this.

I noticed the 3 respected forum members who gave you red tag were 1miau, Icopress and GazetaBitcoin




LESSON: Let's always strive to respect humanity, irrespective of our religion, race or nationality on an online community. Thanks

I've been on this forum for almost 8 years now, but I didn't know that local moderators can ban users here on Bitcointalk. This is also my first time reading a ban appeal for being banned due to trolling and off-topic posts. Most of the time users are banned for reasons like spamming, plagiarism (copy-pasting), phishing links, malware or death threats.

Anyway, reading your post is a bit hard for me to understand. I understand some parts of your post, but I think it would be better if you use ChatGPT for translation in the future post instead of Google Translate, as I find ChatGPT translation is better based on my experience.

Yes.

Are you able to answer my questions in any reasonable and intelligible way? Or is the unsubstantiated labeling, like the communists, the maximum of your capabilities?

It takes a special kind of troll to troll the moderator in their own ban appeal thread.

It appears that your ban (sadly not permanent) is justified.

Good day, dear brothers, cryptans!

I am filing a complaint about the unjustified ban of Snork1979 account by our moderator of the Russian section of the forum Xal0lex due to his obvious political commitment and bias towards all those who support Russia in this current military conflict (which, I hope, will end soon. Without unnecessary and unnecessary losses on both sides).

The main essence of my complaint: our moderator of the Russian section of the forum Xal0lex issued me a 60-day ban for "off-topic and trolling" in the Russian section of the "Politics" forum.
As all Russian members of our forum are well aware, in the "Politics" section 90-95% of all posts are, if we consider it strictly formally, off-topic and trolling.
But at the same time, Xal0lex has been specifically banning exclusively users who support Russia for a number of times.
And complaints about similar (and more severe) posts by users who support Ukraine that violate the rules (in which they publish photos of corpses and laughingly wish death on Russians) are completely ignored.

Questions:
1) Do I understand correctly that the Moderator on our forum should be impartial? Or does it just seem that way to me?
2) Are the rules and laws the same for ALL participants of our forum?
3) Does a participant of our forum have the right to write and justify HIS position and HIS beliefs, even if they do not correspond to the political beliefs of our Great Local Moderator?
4) Or does our forum correspond to the rule formulated by George Orwell "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."?

Please think about it and answer the questions based on the essence of the questions.
If you really care about this at all and you find time for it, of course...

P.S. I know English pretty badly. I studied it back in the USSR in high school.
That's why I have to use translate.google.com for communication here.
Because our moderator Xal0lex refuses to accept complaints about him in Russian.
Thanks to him, of course, that at least he doesn't require complaints to be written in "Ukrainian" (I don't understand this mangled version of Russian at all).
Bottom line: please don't be offended by my bad English (via translate.google.com). I would be happy to write in my native language, but... our moderators from Ukraine don't let me do that, as you already understood...