Topic: Unstoppable Wallet (Read 688 times)

There is still no desktop version, while, 9 months have past but not 2-3 weeks as it was promised. Nine months is enough to give the birth to child and you're unable to develop wallet which is needed to most users who are concerned with their privacy - the threat  to privacy is the major problem associated with wallets placed on mobile devices  as  they have the motion sensors , data  from which can be easily lifted. By no means I would not use any mobile crypto wallet .

That's correct. Also Unstoppable wallet is listed on Fdroid app store now. What that means is Fdroid bot takes open source code of Unstoppable wallet from github, compiles it and makes app available on Fdroid app store. There is no other way to get listed on Fdroid.

Exactly, any centralized wallet can be switched off remotely because it relies on centralized server. Unstoppable wallet is literally unstoppable, because it uses p2p Bitcoin network directly. So as long as there are Bitcoin nodes out there our wallet will function. And in near future we will add support for personal Bitcoin node, such that Unstoppable wallet will work with your own Bitcoin node you specify in settings.

it is also listed on walletscrutiny, cause just having the source code in the open doesn't mean anything. you can't be sure that what you download from the app store is actually what you find in the source code posted in the open. (i have no affiliation with walletscrutiny and never used unstoppable wallet)

Why did you call this ==> "Unstoppable wallet"?

Are you saying all other centralized wallets are stoppable? Running it through Tor might sound more secure, if it was not for all the "exit nodes" that are being hosted by law enforcement authorities?

Well, it looks good.... and having the source code out there.... help to give it more credibility. (I hate these wallets with proprietary source code) 

Unfortunately you can't swap Bitcoin on Unstoppable wallet. We have integrated Uniswap and Pancakeswap, and they provide exchange only for ERC or Binance Chain tokens.

Fdroid is much better than google store if you care about privacy, and apps can work even on de-googled phones.
Is it possible to swap all coins inside Unstoppable Wallet or it is only available for ethereum tokens and I am not interested in that?
For example I would like to exchange other coins to Bitcoin and vice versa if possible.

We are happy to announce that Unstoppable wallet is now available on the Fdroid

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/io.horizontalsystems.bankwallet/

Then I would say your users' introduction to cryptocurrencies is misguided, and that might take them to a path where they will probably be scammed, with scammers taking what they want the most from newbies. Their Bitcoin.

I would like to not agree with you about it. Crypto/Defi/OpenFinance are same things according to me. People need to get introduction to this field, and its new products as well. Ignoring is not the option, everyone needs to get educated.

It's not about the omission of technical details. It's the understanding of what cryptocurrencies are, and what the blockchain is that's, I would not say wrong, but I believe it's misguided.

Remove DEFI. It might be good to educate newbies of where not to go though.

Yes, we position these guides as introduction to crypto/defi for newbies. Therefore we had to omit lots of technical details, and explain with simple words. Due to this, some information may get inaccurate. But if you have strong feelings about it and want to provide detailed feedback, we would be glad to work on it.

hi there,

we add it all points to short term to do list. These feature are likely to be live within 8-10 weeks:

- connectivity to HW wallets
- UTXO selector
- desktop version is already in progress but has been paused recently due to other priorities. We are planning to resume it and have about 2-3 weeks of work left before it's ready too be released.

I read your cryptocurrency basics guide. Your aim to educate newbies is commendable, but I believe the quality of information might need some more work/improvement.

Thanks for feedback, I will forward it to web designer.

In case anyone is looking for direct link to academy. It is https://litrex.academy/

I almost didn't find the Academy section and thought that I had to download the app and that it was only visible through the app. There is a link to it at the bottom of the homepage. I think putting a link somewhere at the top would be good and make your site different compared to some others. Briefly highlighting and talking about the content of the Academy on the homepage would be a nice change. 

Ledger has an Academy as well, for example. A link to it is also placed at the bottom of the site, or you have to hover the mouse over Get Started from the top for the dropdown menu to display a link to the Academy. Binance places it at the bottom as well. 

There is whole section inside wallet Unstoppable called Academy that includes comprehensive guides into crypto world. Users need to be educated about new DeFi products as well as fundamentals of crypto.

No extra fee charged for swapping, except regular Ethereum network fees.

There is no fiat on ramp available in Unstoppable. You can only swap crypto to crypto in Unstoppable.

No KYC is a big advantage. But what's about fees on buying crypto? 

Thanks, we will get this going, good suggestion. Should be live in about 2-4 weeks

Suggestion concerning this. Very many newbies will find this process a little challenging as I also faced it about 3 years back when i just got to know about crypto and was using Myetherwallet which uses the same procedure.

Why don't you guys make everything automatic and show the tokens in the wallet when they are sent to it?
I  have seen a number of wallets do this such as imtoken, metamask etc. Maybe you can pick a leaf from them on how they do it 
That can ensure a smooth process for newbies using your wallet

Latest release of Unstoppable wallet has integrated Uniswap services. So now you can swap your coins inside wallet.
No KYC.

By the way, you can use any ERC20 token with Unstoppable wallet if you know its contract address.

How to:
Just press Add Coin button, then Add Token button on top left corner, then choose ERC20 from menu, then paste contract address.

There seem to be a bit of confusion in regards to the usage of 'masking' in the description. We will think of the better way to describe this as well as add further explanations to each highlighted feature in the wallet website.

Yes our Bitcoin kit libraries support testnet, unfortunately production version of the wallet doesn't have such capability.

if you would like to test the development version of the wallet with the app configured to use testnet drop me a line here and I will add you to dev users list where you can experiment with the TOR and other features. The dev version is stable and couple of months ahead of the production.

Thanks for the answers.

BIP69 is good for privacy, sure, but I think it's a huge stretch to say that it "masks" transactions. Your website also makes mention of a "randomizer"? What is this?

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bech32_adoption#Software_Wallets

I am also not aware of any other mobile wallets which support making time locked transactions, but you should make that more clear and say you are the only "mobile wallet" rather than saying you are the only "wallet".

It is nice to see Unstoppable Wallet is using TOR capability and masking transactions but I am not sure how this masking works in practice.
Do you have testnet enabled in wallet so we can test how wallet works with testnetBitcoin?
Having a desktop version would also be a good idea, as some people don't like mobile wallets.

Hi, sure thing

- re: masking transactions

Essentially Unstoppable implements BIP69 protocol letting the wallet user to select how the inputs/outputs of transactions are ordered.

This makes it more difficult for someone monitoring the chain to differentiate between the change and destination address. It doesn't guarantee full security but still better than plain ordering where the change output always appears first or second.

If interested to learn more check out the BIP69 overview, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0069.mediawiki

- re: create/restore BIP44/49/84

Perhaps I am not aware of those, could you point out the non-custodial wallets that can operate in all three modes for wallet setup/restore.

- re: easy to understand overview of vital aspects in wallet app[/quote]

noted! We are in the process of updating the wallet site, I will have another look at it with the team. Should you have more specific feedback in regards to the website please don't hesitate!

- re: timelocked transactions

I said 'only wallet that enables sending time locked transactions'. Obviously anyone familiar with Bitcoin OPCODES and protocol can craft such transactions. Saying that it didn't exist would be false and plain stupid. The point I tried to make is that I am not familiar with A MOBILE WALLET that integrates such feature. I suppose there are plenty of raw scripts that can automate this as well. Perhaps you can direct us towards such wallet.

It doesn't work with hardware wallets. But we are looking into it, if people need it we will add it.

Can you elaborate on this? Your website also says "Enhanced privacy features to make transactions harder to trace", but gives no details whatsoever on what these privacy features are. How do you mask transactions? How do you make them harder to trace?

That just isn't true. There are plenty of wallets which can create and restore BIP44/49/84.

I would disagree with this. I've been through your entire website, linked academy, etc., and can find very few details regarding the things you have mentioned above.

What? The only wallet? You are saying that time locked transactions did not exist until your wallet came along?

Thanks, I represent a team!

We are contemplating adding paid features oriented at those trading/investing. These are currently work in progress.

We work on several monetization features as we speak, mostly oriented at those trading/investing cryptocurrency.

- on chain analytics data
- price trend reversal alerts
- academy section of the wallet app will soon introduce content which will require payment.

1. Our mission started with the idea of creating wallet for ourselves as as a convenient nice-looking tool to keep and track assets. It took us about two years to build the first version as we had to create SPV libraries for Kotlin and Swift.

2. Since early 2020 or our mission got upgraded from "storage of assets" to "investing and growing" and that's where we are now. We are integrating features that we feel are necessary such as swapping currencies in decentralized manner etc. This takes time and that's where we currently at.

We do a lot of 'research and development' in parallel (i.e. lightning network, neutrino protocol etc) as the field develops really fast on various sides.

I will try to offer brief summary here:

1. Native Wallet

Unstoppable is a native mobile wallet, built using Swift on iOS and Kotlin on Android. using native platforms open up a lot of capabilities not available in pseudo native implementations using ReactJS etc.

2. Privacy aspects include following:

- ability to some mask improve privacy on Bitcoin (and alike chains) transactions to some extent
- ability to operate fully in peer to per mode (SPV + wallet restore)
- TOR capability (android only)

3. Standard Compliant

Unstoppable is the only smartphone wallet that can both create and restore all standard compliant Bitcoin wallets (BIP44, BIP49, BIP84).

4. Educational Aspects

- easy to understand overview of vital aspects in wallet app
- how transaction, fees, privacy works on various blockchains
- all content that's available on Litrex.academy is also accessible from within wallet app

5. Other

- it's the only wallet that enables sending time locked transactions which can not be spent until certain ate in the future.
- supports 6 blockchains and respective tokens
- supports decentralized swaps (only for Ethereum tokens)

The good part is that the code is there on Git ( and since OP didn't put links, here we are: https://github.com/horizontalsystems )
I'd still like to hear about 3rd party review of the code, made by somebody I trust (yes, I know that this will take time).
At least the apk is indeed made from the Git code (according to walletscrutiny.com), good!

OP, you seem to be on the right track, but it'll need time.
And a question: does this wallet work with hardware wallets? (I want to see if it's a worthy competitor for Mycelium, or "not yet").

I think you meant Walletscrutiny.com

Also, if you want to promote something, it's better to put up a link. You don't want anyone searching for it and maybe falling for a phishing website, right?

https://unstoppable.money/

At least the wallet is non-custodial and supports connecting to the servers through Tor. But may I ask you what is your planned business model? Do you have anything planned or are you just maintaining this wallet for the community (assuming you work on it)?

So what exactly is different on your wallets compared to the others? Open source, verifiable, privacy, etc is not exactly unique. I don't know walletscrunity but I believe anyone can test the same thing by building from the source code and compare the hash with the file you published, so it's not that groundbreaking either. CMIIW.

It is easy to use, reliable, secure crypto wallet with focus on privacy. Truly decentralized, works directly with Bitcoin network. Open source, code is publicly available. One of few wallets verified by https://walletscrutiny.com/ to be exactly as published code on GitHub.

If you have any questions or feedback, feel free to write here. We will get back as soon as we can.


https://www.unstoppable.money/
https://github.com/horizontalsystems/