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Topic: UPDATED: betcoindice.tm scam has not paid me nor shows verification (Read 3599 times)

legendary
Activity: 1932
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
in the past week I won 800, 600 and 184 btc respectively -

Meet me at 200 BTC and I will sign anything you want saying no further action will be taken.


This post a bit confusing, how much of the 800+600+184=1584 have you received, how much more than the 200 that you will settle for?
newbie
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in the past week I won 800, 600 and 184 btc respectively - I hit withdraw on each transactions

The first time for 800 BTC, my account said locked - e-mailed support 5 times and heard nothing

I will paste all the comments below from Peter Nolan

The second time was due to 100 confirmations being needed??

The third time was the site was undergoing a repair as it seems it always is doing

see dialogue beow

this is $500k i won and not paid out

Please answer the following items

I made my withdraw and I was told I needed 100 confirmations - historically when a successful withdraw has been processed the coins are debited from my account immediately and I can assure you 100 confirmations were not present.

The usual number of confirmation necessary is between 0 and 6, as stated on the site:
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However, if ANY amount of newly mined coins is present, then 100 confirmations are necessary. Same as with the Blockchain wallet. That got into my 10 BTC loan, and that was not my intention. There were never problems with your account. This issue didn't  even require a manual intervention. Your account status hasn't changed in a while. It doesn't depend on the amount. Try getting any bitcoin miner and deposit 0.000001 newly mined BTC  into a Blockchain wallet with a 1000 BTC balance, then try to withdraw 1 BTC - it will not work until the 0.000001 part has 100 confirmations. If it happens to become a part of an orphaned block  and not confirmed in the main chain - the whole system will go haywire. We use the same approach.


Only in the case of anything substantial has this happened and it's really disheartening, that's $500k I won fair and square only to be held up by logistics that no other casino has in place.


Both times - on a Sunday night - when everyone was asleep. One time - because you were randomly flagged by the system, and this can happen to ANYONE, this is why the security can't really be bypassed and the only way for you to lose what you have in the account is to gamble it. The chances of being flagged are significantly reduced with time, as the system becomes familiar with the player. And the fact that with your relatively high level of activity you never had that happen again speaks for itself.
 The second time a little wait was unavoidable even during work hours. That can't be manually fixed. The only solution is to use "matured coins". I had no idea that fresh coins were present in my loan.


The support I am complaining about stems all the way to last week during prime time hours - Nobody and I mean nobody responds any questions are helped.

Please give me the exact date and time when that happened. I overtook your account as we were dealing with the first incident, when your account got locked, and other people are not even allowed to reply to you, as I am your single point of contact now. We can't have 10 people working on the same issue. If there has been an oversight on my part during working hours - I will take full responsibility hands down.




My account wasn't locked, optically it appears the coins were left in play to take advantage of the gambler persona of wanting to continue to play.

It wasn't and it isn't. You can test the 100 confirmations policy on both Blockchain.info and our website, and you'll see that it's true.



This is why I withdrew my coins that I won - this should not be the bottleneck and is not consistent with how and why Bitcoin casinos were created.

You're absolutely right, but we don't live in an ideal world. And if we made such a commitment - someone would hack your account and walk away. How would you feel in that case? Do you know why fiat casinos are not in a hurry to move into the crypto space? Because security is close to impossible to manage. It's not a problem for small-time players, serious hackers are not going to waste their time on that. But when you have tens of thousands of our own and customers' coins at stake - we're a huge target. Let me show you one of the emails we just received yesterday from a group that we know means business.





This is the exact methods of shady rouge fiat casinos that just hold up people's winnings until they loos them all.

This is exactly why I emailed you and said that if you attempt a withdrawal during our off hours - stop playing, submit a support ticket and wait until 9 am!!!


Why is the simplest process, me to withdraw my winnings you claim are instant nearly impossible!

Please read the above security part.
The only reason is to make sure some hacker doesn't run away with your or our coins when our employees are asleep.


I am talking about some moral responsibility in the spirit of why Bitcoin is instant and seamless - that is not the case here.

I will even take  good faith gesture to settle this but I cannot just say oh well to winnings I tried to Withdrawl but the process' in place conveniently didn't allow me to not once but twice.

Meet me at 200 BTC and I will sign anything you want saying no further action will be taken.

Please take a moment to understand the Chinese culture - I hope none of the key players in the company reads this, as I worked in Chinese companies for 30 years and know the outcome 100%. Never attempt anything that even remotely resembles a threat or a veiled extortion attempt with a Chinese businessman. They  will NEVER agree to that, as this would amount to a "loss of face" and would rather spend ten times the amount but stay away from the "Yin energy" a settlement would potentially bring with it. I won't even mention your request to Mr. Lim, as I know what's going to happen. If you STILL insist on this undiplomatic move - send this demand to [email protected],
Don't be surprised if you find your account banned right away.
 I don't need to distort the reality to earn the company a few BTC. I receive a fixed salary and don't work on a commission basis. I provide an impartial assessment to both our company and its customers, and that's where my value is. I told you twice already. BetCoin is not at fault here. I can not help you request a 200 BTC compensation. I'm sorry if this is not what you hoped to hear.
legendary
Activity: 1134
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We keep 25,000 BTC per each

Is there any proof of this? betcoindice doesn't actually look like a 3 million dollar project to me. I also highly doubt that they can pay out a 1 million dollar jackpot...
member
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SudoSuRootDev... AKA... AllBiznessMan
My apologies to those looking for a reply, including betcoindice.tm, I slept for a couple days after not feeling well. But, my transaction did go through before the change of day, per BitcoinTimestamp. I did win, then lost it all at satoshidice later. LOL!!!

I do see the site is now showing bets live again and there is now an actual secret.keys file for verification of previous days bets, which I mentioned to them in an email. This is good, however I am still pretty sure, due to the low number of bets actually going through the betting addresses on the day of my incident that most of the bets are actually false, and they are automated in order to use blockchain.info live transactions on the homepage as a marketing strategy.
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1118
Lol at 'In the meanwhile please rest assured that your Bitcoins are as safe with us as they would be with a Swiss bank.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insider/2013/09/25/the-doj-ratchets-up-its-crackdown-on-swiss-bank-accounts/

Lmao. Either that's a very strange coincidence or these are some smartass scammers.
b!z
legendary
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Hmm that's suspicious. Did they pay you yet?
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
UPDATE... email from betcoin no transaction yet, but will update.
EMAIL:
We're extremely sorry for your frustrating experience, we had experienced a massive double-spend attack on the Dice game, which led to an automatic lockdown of some parts of the system, and the transactions being processed at a slower pace, however the bet results will remain the same due to the provably fair nature of the game. We always strive to ensure the safety of the funds of legitimate players, while keeping the malicious ones out. Our apologies for the delay - we understand that all of your transactions will be processed within the next few hours. Our system is currently rescanning the bitcoin transactions to ensure that our players don't lose bitcoins to malicious attackers who mimic their transactions. We anticipate this process to be finalized within hours. Once the invalid transactions are completely filtered out - the payouts will resume at the usual speed. A more robust hardware solution for filtering out such transactions will be implemented on Monday. In the meanwhile - you can continue playing, as the results will not change regardless of the payout speed, if you wish to to play something more engaging and interactive where you see the results immediately - please try out the BetCoin™ Circle, it's actually my personal favorite. In the meanwhile please rest assured that your Bitcoins are as safe with us as they would be with a Swiss bank. We keep 25,000 BTC per each of our existing game projects, namely www.betcoincircle.com, www.betcoindice.comwww.betcoin.tm . We're about to launch a brand-new million dollar-grade lottery project shortly, and you - as our valued customer - will receive a significant amount of tickets from us for free. Please write back when you see the game go live, and I will personally take care of you.

Kind regards,

Peter Nolan
PR Director
www.betcoin.tm


Was this settled or just a stall email?
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
member
Activity: 86
Merit: 10
Lol at 'In the meanwhile please rest assured that your Bitcoins are as safe with us as they would be with a Swiss bank.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insider/2013/09/25/the-doj-ratchets-up-its-crackdown-on-swiss-bank-accounts/
member
Activity: 74
Merit: 10
SudoSuRootDev... AKA... AllBiznessMan
UPDATE... email from betcoin no transaction yet, but will update.
EMAIL:
We're extremely sorry for your frustrating experience, we had experienced a massive double-spend attack on the Dice game, which led to an automatic lockdown of some parts of the system, and the transactions being processed at a slower pace, however the bet results will remain the same due to the provably fair nature of the game. We always strive to ensure the safety of the funds of legitimate players, while keeping the malicious ones out. Our apologies for the delay - we understand that all of your transactions will be processed within the next few hours. Our system is currently rescanning the bitcoin transactions to ensure that our players don't lose bitcoins to malicious attackers who mimic their transactions. We anticipate this process to be finalized within hours. Once the invalid transactions are completely filtered out - the payouts will resume at the usual speed. A more robust hardware solution for filtering out such transactions will be implemented on Monday. In the meanwhile - you can continue playing, as the results will not change regardless of the payout speed, if you wish to to play something more engaging and interactive where you see the results immediately - please try out the BetCoin™ Circle, it's actually my personal favorite. In the meanwhile please rest assured that your Bitcoins are as safe with us as they would be with a Swiss bank. We keep 25,000 BTC per each of our existing game projects, namely www.betcoincircle.com, www.betcoindice.comwww.betcoin.tm . We're about to launch a brand-new million dollar-grade lottery project shortly, and you - as our valued customer - will receive a significant amount of tickets from us for free. Please write back when you see the game go live, and I will personally take care of you.

Kind regards,

Peter Nolan
PR Director
www.betcoin.tm
member
Activity: 74
Merit: 10
SudoSuRootDev... AKA... AllBiznessMan
More great news, as I research this SCAM even more... on their verification page, the hashes.keys and everything appears to be just like SatoshiDice.com however when I click on the secret.keys which should show the secret keys for previous days here: http://betcoindice.tm/dice/secret.keys
There is no page or file with secret keys, it is a zero byte file.... yup EMPTY!!!

So it is looking more and more like myself and anyone else who has sent anything there in the past 10 or 12 hours is scammed and because they don't have secret keys posted they could have been scamming people everyday running a totally unfair system claiming that it is just a SatoshiDice.com clone, basically, because they posted the exact verification info... without adding the secret.keys after the days end though.
member
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SudoSuRootDev... AKA... AllBiznessMan
member
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SudoSuRootDev... AKA... AllBiznessMan
I sent 0.19 BTC today to the under (73%) 48000 betcoindice address... and I never received anything back. I have played many times, and I usually watch the bets on the website as I play them. Today, I went to the website to watch for immediate verification, I click on Unconfirmed Bets and Recent Bets, and the screen stays on the betting addresses. No watching. No verification. So, I click advanced where you can enter your transaction hash, and it says transaction not found. You can see for yourselves...
https://blockchain.info/tx/5df50b15ba9069c474106c963f583fe418b77fb6a26c859d2266f6f3e5e533b3

That is the payment sent. It has long since confirmed. Enter the hash into betcoindice.tm in the Advanced popup to verify bets. It says:
404: Transaction Not Found

But we can all see it was sent. It is not a lot to some people, but to me it is.

Also, I believe that since no one else has reported this issue... of not being paid and the website doesn't allow you to watch your bets, yet I keep seeing bets going through the blockchain for betcoindice.tm back to back.... that the claims I have read about recently, regarding false bets being place by betcoindice.tm themselves with an auto script to attract users... is true. If all of these bets I see for betcoindice.tm going through the blockchain since my bet went through, were actual people not getting paid, they would be on here raving and raging!!! But the bets are mostly false to attract people and now they aren't even paying.

I sent an email to them so we will see if they respond and what they do.

UPDATE:
I wanted to be sure that I recorded and verified everything, in case of them trying to just say oh you lost, and here is your 0.0005 btc a bit late. So I download BitcoinTimestamp-1.0.1.jar from GitHub and I run it with my transaction number,

java -jar BitcoinTimestamp-1.0.1.jar decode 5df50b15ba9069c474106c963f583fe418b77fb6a26c859d2266f6f3e5e533b3

and it says:

Server returned HTTP response code: 403 for URL:
http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/5df50b15ba9069c474106c963f583fe418b77fb6a26c859d2266f6f3e5e533b3

So I go to that exact same URL in my browser and I get a CloudFlare error saying that my Browser has been blocked from this site for some weird code #. It did this a few times. I was able to see the same page, with tx instead of rawtx...
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/5df50b15ba9069c474106c963f583fe418b77fb6a26c859d2266f6f3e5e533b3

As I was typing this I wanted to copy the exact CloudFlare error but it is now allowing me to visit that page, the rawtx.
So I am assuming (HOPING) that because BlockExplorer.com uses CloudFlare, plus BitcoinTimestamp uses the rawtx from that site, and so many gambling sites use BitcoinTimestamp that the problem was CloudFlare blocking thinking it was a DDoS attempt... hopefully they just fixed it since I can now visit it and I will get my BTC. I will keep everyone who cares updated, as I have played here before and didn't have a problem. But... I just checked the verification on betcoindice.tm and they still show 404: transaction not found. We'll see. I am just pissed because it takes me a while to get that much BTC. A few days.
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