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January 23, 2015, 11:11:46 PM
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The drones create more terrorist than they kill.

This cartoon was published in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, and it's one of my favorite cartoons of all time for its insight at a time when most people were boarding the Revenge Train.



I am surprised that was around in 2001 seems a bit early

Exactly, and it's this broad lack of insight by politicians and the public that has us involved in as many wars as we're involved in right now.

Drones were not well known back then neither was the knowledge we needed to fight guerrilla warfare

I don't think it's necessarily about drones, just the US's belief that we can eradicate radicalism by bombing it out of existence.

That is very true. I just wonder if their was another way besides drones or war.

My inkling would be not to get involved in other nation's internal politics. But hindsight is 20/20, and all that jazz... The US has been trying to influence world events since the end of WWII for its own benefit (and before really, but it wasn't as influential before). Our current foreign policy is always rooted in fixing the problems that emerge from our past foreign policy. How exactly you extricate yourselves from all the problems your meddling causes is no doubt a difficult task, but continuing the current path of trying to fix our problems with bombs is a failing strategy that has been failing for a long, long time. I like Ron Paul's analogy of the Vietnam War. That was a clusterfuck of monumental proportions, and force was the only answer the US had to try and solve the "problem." Once we withdrew and conceded the loss, and enough time had passed to let them heal from our aggression, Vietnam is now a friend of ours. We trade with them, our diplomats visit, their president comes here; what we achieved in peace was unattainable in 20 years of the French and Americans attempting to achieve it through warfare. I'd like to believe this is repeatable; that peace says more about us than war. But first we need politicians who are ready to embrace peace as a worthy idea, and we currently have two parties that believe that whipping people into a state of fear and panic is a far easier path to reelection, and this informs their attitudes about using force overseas, because the public is demanding the bombs they've whipped us into believing are the answer.

True the political system we have now is fucked up to where politicians prefer reelection than to better their country.
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The drones create more terrorist than they kill.

This cartoon was published in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, and it's one of my favorite cartoons of all time for its insight at a time when most people were boarding the Revenge Train.



I am surprised that was around in 2001 seems a bit early

Exactly, and it's this broad lack of insight by politicians and the public that has us involved in as many wars as we're involved in right now.

Drones were not well known back then neither was the knowledge we needed to fight guerrilla warfare

I don't think it's necessarily about drones, just the US's belief that we can eradicate radicalism by bombing it out of existence.

That is very true. I just wonder if their was another way besides drones or war.

My inkling would be not to get involved in other nation's internal politics. But hindsight is 20/20, and all that jazz... The US has been trying to influence world events since the end of WWII for its own benefit (and before really, but it wasn't as influential before). Our current foreign policy is always rooted in fixing the problems that emerge from our past foreign policy. How exactly you extricate yourselves from all the problems your meddling causes is no doubt a difficult task, but continuing the current path of trying to fix our problems with bombs is a failing strategy that has been failing for a long, long time. I like Ron Paul's analogy of the Vietnam War. That was a clusterfuck of monumental proportions, and force was the only answer the US had to try and solve the "problem." Once we withdrew and conceded the loss, and enough time had passed to let them heal from our aggression, Vietnam is now a friend of ours. We trade with them, our diplomats visit, their president comes here; what we achieved in peace was unattainable in 20 years of the French and Americans attempting to achieve it through warfare. I'd like to believe this is repeatable; that peace says more about us than war. But first we need politicians who are ready to embrace peace as a worthy idea, and we currently have two parties that believe that whipping people into a state of fear and panic is a far easier path to reelection, and this informs their attitudes about using force overseas, because the public is demanding the bombs they've whipped us into believing are the answer.
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The drones create more terrorist than they kill.

This cartoon was published in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, and it's one of my favorite cartoons of all time for its insight at a time when most people were boarding the Revenge Train.



I am surprised that was around in 2001 seems a bit early

Exactly, and it's this broad lack of insight by politicians and the public that has us involved in as many wars as we're involved in right now.

Drones were not well known back then neither was the knowledge we needed to fight guerrilla warfare

I don't think it's necessarily about drones, just the US's belief that we can eradicate radicalism by bombing it out of existence.

That is very true. I just wonder if their was another way besides drones or war.
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The drones create more terrorist than they kill.

This cartoon was published in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, and it's one of my favorite cartoons of all time for its insight at a time when most people were boarding the Revenge Train.



I am surprised that was around in 2001 seems a bit early

Exactly, and it's this broad lack of insight by politicians and the public that has us involved in as many wars as we're involved in right now.

Drones were not well known back then neither was the knowledge we needed to fight guerrilla warfare

I don't think it's necessarily about drones, just the US's belief that we can eradicate radicalism by bombing it out of existence.
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The drones create more terrorist than they kill.

This cartoon was published in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, and it's one of my favorite cartoons of all time for its insight at a time when most people were boarding the Revenge Train.



I am surprised that was around in 2001 seems a bit early

Exactly, and it's this broad lack of insight by politicians and the public that has us involved in as many wars as we're involved in right now.

Drones were not well known back then neither was the knowledge we needed to fight guerrilla warfare
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The drones create more terrorist than they kill.

This cartoon was published in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, and it's one of my favorite cartoons of all time for its insight at a time when most people were boarding the Revenge Train.



I am surprised that was around in 2001 seems a bit early

Exactly, and it's this broad lack of insight by politicians and the public that has us involved in as many wars as we're involved in right now.
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The drones create more terrorist than they kill.

This cartoon was published in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, and it's one of my favorite cartoons of all time for its insight at a time when most people were boarding the Revenge Train.



I am surprised that was around in 2001 seems a bit early
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The drones create more terrorist than they kill.

This cartoon was published in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, and it's one of my favorite cartoons of all time for its insight at a time when most people were boarding the Revenge Train.

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Obama will be remembered for having drone controller in his hands Smiley

will he? in western media he is regarded as a good guy. he won a Nobel prize after all.
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The drones create more terrorist than they kill.
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 U.S. kills 50 prisoners of ISIS in air strike

Just as planned =)
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Obama will be remembered for having drone controller in his hands Smiley
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Haha don't you just love drones?
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Dozens of Syrian civilians died last month after being jailed by ISIS for violating Sharia Law. But it wasn’t Islamic extremists who ended their lives—it was the United States.

An airstrike carried out Dec. 28 on an ISIS headquarters in the northern Syrian town of Al Bab may have killed more than 50 civilians, according to McClatchy. Reports gathered from eyewitness and a Syrian opposition human rights group revealed a death toll ranging between 55 and 61 civilian prisoners inside the building that was demolished by American missiles. Between 13 and 25 ISIS guards also died in the attack. If those numbers are accurate, it would represent the worst case of civilian deaths caused by the U.S. bombing of Syria.

One source told McClatchy that 35 prisoners were imprisoned for minor infractions of Islamic Law, “such as smoking, wearing jeans or appearing too late for the afternoon prayer,” Roy Gutman and Mousab Alhamadee reported.

The U.S. military did not confirm the airstrike until last weekend. An early Pentagon statement said there had been no evidence of civilian casualties but a later email from the Defense Department acknowledged there had been reports of some deaths.

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/us-bombing-in-syria-kills-dozens-imprisoned-by-isis-for-violating-sharia-law-150114?news=855368

... and Pentagon logic will probably dictate that each of those deaths be counted as militant deaths by virtue of being in a place the US was trying to bomb and being killed by the bomb. That's how they count militant deaths in Afghanistan and Pakistan too. If we killed you, you were a militant.
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The epitome of throwing the baby out with the bathwater
Hope they got some ISIS guys too
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youve gotta expect casualties of war to happen.
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Out of the frying Pan into the fire, When the only tool the US has is a hammer all its problems look like nails
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ofc this is really good news.

i will never understand those groups like ISIS, that God forgive you...

there is lot of collateral damage always, sometimes is needed, the question is, why we think we are able to decide when is needed and when is not?

If you believe collateral damage is "always, sometimes needed" there is something seriously wrong with your ethics.

i think you misunderstood me, i was not trying to going in that way...

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there is lot of collateral damage always,
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sometimes is needed
not about that dimensions...

i hope you undersatnd me now, sometimes is just a language barrier, my fault ofc.
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ofc this is really good news.

i will never understand those groups like ISIS, that God forgive you...

there is lot of collateral damage always, sometimes is needed, the question is, why we think we are able to decide when is needed and when is not?

If you believe collateral damage is "always, sometimes needed" there is something seriously wrong with your ethics.
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ofc this is really good news.

i will never understand those groups like ISIS, that God forgive you...

there is lot of collateral damage always, sometimes is needed, the question is, why we think we are able to decide when is needed and when is not?
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I saw someone say the bigger terrorist is always the one with the bigger weapon. How very true but sadly many people don't see it. I don't know how these cowards piloting these planes and drones can sleep at night. Do they just shrug their shoulders when this stuff happens?

I wonder if that one can be called a battle won or a battle lost
The only condolence for those prisoners is that it was collateral damage
At the same time ...

How is that a condolence?

Such things happen when the dogs of war are unleashed.

If you want to fight the evil of ISIS, accept the entire mess that goes along with it.
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Thank you Team America, I feel much safer now.
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I saw someone say the bigger terrorist is always the one with the bigger weapon. How very true but sadly many people don't see it. I don't know how these cowards piloting these planes and drones can sleep at night. Do they just shrug their shoulders when this stuff happens?

I wonder if that one can be called a battle won or a battle lost
The only condolence for those prisoners is that it was collateral damage
At the same time ...

How is that a condolence?
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Well, at least some of the ISIS rats were killed as well.
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I wonder if that one can be called a battle won or a battle lost
The only condolence for those prisoners is that it was collateral damage
At the same time ...

That was a great victory for mankind and for the surviving few locals as well Smiley.
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Nice one. The syrian people surely feels better with such great support from the US :/.
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I wonder if that one can be called a battle won or a battle lost
The only condolence for those prisoners is that it was collateral damage
At the same time ...
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Winning the hearts and minds of the Syrian people Wink

Sure they're loving their new found freedoms....
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More practical than beheading one by one
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That’s good。
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God Bless America!

Land of the free baby
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Dozens of Syrian civilians died last month after being jailed by ISIS for violating Sharia Law. But it wasn’t Islamic extremists who ended their lives—it was the United States.

An airstrike carried out Dec. 28 on an ISIS headquarters in the northern Syrian town of Al Bab may have killed more than 50 civilians, according to McClatchy. Reports gathered from eyewitness and a Syrian opposition human rights group revealed a death toll ranging between 55 and 61 civilian prisoners inside the building that was demolished by American missiles. Between 13 and 25 ISIS guards also died in the attack. If those numbers are accurate, it would represent the worst case of civilian deaths caused by the U.S. bombing of Syria.

One source told McClatchy that 35 prisoners were imprisoned for minor infractions of Islamic Law, “such as smoking, wearing jeans or appearing too late for the afternoon prayer,” Roy Gutman and Mousab Alhamadee reported.

The U.S. military did not confirm the airstrike until last weekend. An early Pentagon statement said there had been no evidence of civilian casualties but a later email from the Defense Department acknowledged there had been reports of some deaths.

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/us-bombing-in-syria-kills-dozens-imprisoned-by-isis-for-violating-sharia-law-150114?news=855368
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