US or China: Who would win the AI race?

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Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 11, 2018, 11:15:26 AM

China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

Either way neither of us wins. We need to regulate AI sooner rather than later.

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China, definitely. They're the only country that has the balls to recruit kids to create killer AI weapons for them because why the hell not. They're already planning and ready for an all out war. The US may have kickass ammunition but China's got a billion dollar to fund for their AI weapons alone.

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Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 17, 2018, 09:24:27 AM

It seems US is taking the heat and will not be left as 2nd place... http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30356582
The Massachusetts Institute of Technology announced plans Monday to create a new college of artificial intelligence with an initial $1 billion commitment for the program focusing on "responsible and ethical" uses of the technology.
The initiative comes amid growing concerns about the impacts of artificial intelligence on global institutions, and fears that China is overtaking the United States in this field."There is no more important opportunity or challenge facing our nation than to responsibly harness the power of artificial intelligence so that we remain competitive globally and achieve breakthroughs that will improve our entire society

Perhaps, but not quite. MIT will use the money to create a new college focusing on artificial intelligence, while China is already out there in the process of creating an actual AI. Seems to me China is ahead of the game.

They are testing unmanned tanks and aircrafts. China is slowly turning into a dictator country.

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Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 11, 2018, 11:15:26 AM

China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

This is the easiest question ever. China has already won. Their products and expansion in AI and DLT are massive. They focus a lot more towards mass adoption, rather than as a business tool itself. One brilliant AI Chinese project is HiNounou. It will inevitably disrupt the digital health industry with its unique homewellness kit and its AI algorithmic protocols Wink

When discussing about science and technology matters, I strongly believe that we should bear in mind that progress itself is the big winner. Nevertheless, I do believe that the chinese dragon is moving fast in the field of AI technology and it applies and channels its achievements from that sector to blockchain systems; innovating there as well and investing in multiple fields where AI could be used for a good cause. That Hinounou project for example takes advantage of AI technology in order to revolutionize healthcare. Other projects change our perception regarding education and learning. The winner could be decided at the very last second, and the defining factor would be "who is going to use AI for a good cause first". My bets are on China.

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Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 11, 2018, 11:15:26 AM

China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

This is the easiest question ever. China has already won. Their products and expansion in AI and DLT are massive. They focus a lot more towards mass adoption, rather than as a business tool itself. One brilliant AI Chinese project is HiNounou. It will inevitably disrupt the digital health industry with its unique homewellness kit and its AI algorithmic protocols Wink

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China is spending a lot of money in the research of Artificial Intelligence, i am sure that they would surpass all others in this field.

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Quote from: Maheshkumar_Hrangkhawl on October 20, 2018, 01:46:34 AM

None of them. I would say that the Japanese are having the best AI technology right now. US may be able to overtake them in the future, but I don't think that the Chinese will ever be able to compete with them. There is very little innovation in China.

I actually read on another forum about the way Japan implements artificial intelligence. It appears to me that the way they are going to have their AI revolution is very well researched and they made sure that the people involved in creating a smart city based on AI are well aware of what is going to happen with their information.

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China of course. They're obviously on the lead now with their innovations in tech.

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If you check most products all over the world even the so called made-in USA products are produced in china but with US labels so i believe since they are good in the line of production they can take over also in AI race. they have intelligence, materials both human resources and raw materials is at their finger tip. They are world manufacturers of almost anything and hardworking is their nature.

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Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 11, 2018, 11:15:26 AM

China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

One millisecond after an AI becomes self aware, it will start reading. In ten hours it will have read everything ever written.

In one hundred hours it will take over.

That is the AI taking over, not some country.

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China have only a lot of people and ancient manufacturing. Average salary in China farms are around 30 - 40 USD per month. So after 50 years they will reach may be something more up to date, but this is under question in any way. Wink

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My bet is definitely on China. This country has gained immense development momentum, and if they actually focus on creating an advanced AI they can easily succeed.
And China is still a communistic country, right? That`s the most puzzling point, actually - a country with such a philosophy at its basis is leading the world in a lot of aspects.

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This is obviously China. The United States is a very good country that has formed over the past 300 years. But China is a country with a history of 5,000 years. It took China only 40 years to catch up with a country of 300 years. Obviously, God is on the side of China.

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Based on how China, is constantly and gradually being powerful today, it is not impossible for China to win the Artificial Intelligence race. However, as much as China wants to lead the Artificial Intelligence venture in the world, the United States undeniably will not give up as they also continuously improving and pioneering the world's artificial intelligence matter. I think that it is only a matter of time before one of these two countries will win the artificial intelligence race. But we cannot also set aside the possibility that none of these two countries will prevail when it cones to artificial intelligence since there are also other countries who are doing great in the field of technology such as Japan and etc. Bur overall, we cannot judge whose going to be the winner basesonly on one invention or innovation but on its consistency.

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Quote from: Ciscopro2000 on October 16, 2018, 04:53:41 PM

I would say the United States will win again. Brainpower of the all the people (capitalism) will win over the brainpower of a few people (communism).

I mean, I do think this is a pretty tough question when you think about it. It's not as simple as it's being presented as/

I think that there is an argument to be made for the Chinese winning -- as they're going to be able to force their companies to produce certain things. I don't think this is something that is present in the US, as companies have no obligation to listen to the US government and would probably win court battles regarding this sort of thing.

If the US military industrial complex took on the task, with payment, and they wanted to do it then the US would win -- if this wasn't the case then the Chinese may be able to win.

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None of them. I would say that the Japanese are having the best AI technology right now. US may be able to overtake them in the future, but I don't think that the Chinese will ever be able to compete with them. There is very little innovation in China.

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Quote from: crwth on October 14, 2018, 04:58:35 AM

Some people just won't take that other are ahead, they want to be the first and it's the crab mentality that forms competition. Sometimes it's healthy, sometimes it's violent, but most importantly, it should enhance people's lives and not just about business. The selfishness should be stopped, but I doubt that it will. Well, I don't get to have a part in whether who is the first to create the perfect AI, I would just support the first one. Then there's room for more competition.

Just look at the landing on the moon, it really brought nothing to the USA just pride because thy were the first people to actually go to the moon and that's going to be there forever. I doubt the Chinese would be able to make the first AI, I am actually tipping the Japanese to be the first to achieve such feat.

Probably they are working on the background and not making any noise, knowing that Japan is one of the most advanced countries in the world. They probably have prototypes or something. A lot of things have already been created that resembles an AI in the technology already, with applications on our smartphones, it is nearing. I really like the idea of having a virtual assistant like google introducing calling a salon to get an appointment, making real phone calls, which would really be useful for us.

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Quote from: Luke_Turner on October 17, 2018, 10:47:42 AM

Perhaps, but not quite. MIT will use the money to create a new college focusing on artificial intelligence, while China is already out there in the process of creating an actual AI. Seems to me China is ahead of the game.

If you put it that way, it is true. Now, it will up to the researchers / scientists in MIT to surpass China. I hope the US "wins" this. China already has too much Clockwork Orange / 1984 thing going on in their country as it already is. Developing a high level AI... we can easily guess how that would work.

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Quote from: joebrook on October 17, 2018, 11:05:04 AM

Just look at the landing on the moon, it really brought nothing to the USA just pride because thy were the first people to actually go to the moon and that's going to be there forever. I doubt the Chinese would be able to make the first AI, I am actually tipping the Japanese to be the first to achieve such feat.

AI already exists. It is not yet as sophisticated as in the movies but it is already here. Also, AI is not going to be like "landing on the moon and not bring anything". AI can be beneficial to the people or manipulate people, Depending on whose hands are controlling it. MIT just received USD 1billion for AI. That's how serious the situation is.

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Quote from: crwth on October 14, 2018, 04:58:35 AM

Some people just won't take that other are ahead, they want to be the first and it's the crab mentality that forms competition. Sometimes it's healthy, sometimes it's violent, but most importantly, it should enhance people's lives and not just about business. The selfishness should be stopped, but I doubt that it will. Well, I don't get to have a part in whether who is the first to create the perfect AI, I would just support the first one. Then there's room for more competition.

Just look at the landing on the moon, it really brought nothing to the USA just pride because thy were the first people to actually go to the moon and that's going to be there forever. I doubt the Chinese would be able to make the first AI, I am actually tipping the Japanese to be the first to achieve such feat.

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Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 17, 2018, 09:24:27 AM

It seems US is taking the heat and will not be left as 2nd place... http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30356582
The Massachusetts Institute of Technology announced plans Monday to create a new college of artificial intelligence with an initial $1 billion commitment for the program focusing on "responsible and ethical" uses of the technology.
The initiative comes amid growing concerns about the impacts of artificial intelligence on global institutions, and fears that China is overtaking the United States in this field."There is no more important opportunity or challenge facing our nation than to responsibly harness the power of artificial intelligence so that we remain competitive globally and achieve breakthroughs that will improve our entire society

Perhaps, but not quite. MIT will use the money to create a new college focusing on artificial intelligence, while China is already out there in the process of creating an actual AI. Seems to me China is ahead of the game.

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It seems US is taking the heat and will not be left as 2nd place... http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30356582
The Massachusetts Institute of Technology announced plans Monday to create a new college of artificial intelligence with an initial $1 billion commitment for the program focusing on "responsible and ethical" uses of the technology.
The initiative comes amid growing concerns about the impacts of artificial intelligence on global institutions, and fears that China is overtaking the United States in this field."There is no more important opportunity or challenge facing our nation than to responsibly harness the power of artificial intelligence so that we remain competitive globally and achieve breakthroughs that will improve our entire society

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US would win this race.

Be like this: China invents the greatest AI and will be offered to US.

*US buys it, China makes money and just reinvent similar to it. While US did nothing but bought all the credits and liabilities that's what they have been doing effortlessly.

But don't forget about Japan.

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I would say the United States will win again. Brainpower of the all the people (capitalism) will win over the brainpower of a few people (communism).

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Quote from: TECSHARE on October 12, 2018, 12:44:20 AM

More importantly they don't give a shit about human or civil rights. AI will be deployed, manufactured, and in use there more, but the US still has the edge in development. That is why China is constantly trying to steal technology via espionage, hacking, or simply buying it out.

Agreed. Their lack of care for human or civil rights may actually be the reason for the AI progress in their country. They do steal a lot of tech but some argue that when they steal something they actually put an effort to improve on the idea that they stole. This is in turn good for AI technology as it continues to improve. It will already depend on China on how they would use it in their country or even the world.

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Quote from: TTshingeki on October 12, 2018, 12:47:58 AM

Are you forget Russian ? I think Russia also is country develop AI very strong but AI has many dangers if we couldn't control it. As Stephen Hawking says "A.I. could be 'worst event in the history of our civilization"

I really don't see a lot of AI related news involving Russia although it's fact that a lot of internet hackers are linked to Russia. If they are also developing an advanced AI then we are not hearing enough of it. But then again, that may be typical of Russia.

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Some people just won't take that other are ahead, they want to be the first and it's the crab mentality that forms competition. Sometimes it's healthy, sometimes it's violent, but most importantly, it should enhance people's lives and not just about business. The selfishness should be stopped, but I doubt that it will. Well, I don't get to have a part in whether who is the first to create the perfect AI, I would just support the first one. Then there's room for more competition.

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Well the answer is fairly obvious. The US had to use Chinese microchips and circuits in their latest fighter plane, so I guess they will need to use Chinese chips to develop AI.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on October 12, 2018, 12:44:20 AM

Quote from: Michael_Cox on October 11, 2018, 07:37:14 PM

Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 11, 2018, 11:15:26 AM

China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

Overtake the US? I don't think so. Do you mean become the central country for AI? Yes. In this case, China will get ahead, especially since they got the biggest funding when it comes to creating AI. It's only a matter of time now before they create a fully functioning AI.

More importantly they don't give a shit about human or civil rights. AI will be deployed, manufactured, and in use there more, but the US still has the edge in development. That is why China is constantly trying to steal technology via espionage, hacking, or simply buying it out.

I think I agree with both of you. China could have the biggest funding received to create AI, but sometimes China lacks creativity and imagination, which is where I think the US will get ahead on. Also, has anyone else considered Japan? Or what about the UK?

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As stated earlier in this thread, AI will be the only winner. The development of Artificial Intelligence is very concerning and it scares me. I think we should really stop advancing the technology because eventually it will be too intelligent to control. Once the cat is out of the bag it will be too late and robots will reign over humans. Some say its inevitable that this will happen but all we have to do is stop developing A.I.

It's all FUD. Exactly like the FUD surrounding Bitcoin.

We need to summon courage, and build up our nerves, be brave to enter this exciting new world of AI. A glorious phase in the history of humanity is about to begin.

Call it the golden dawn of a new humanity, or whatever. Names do not matter. What matters is that we participate and win!

As some one who is very familiar with Bitcoin, in fact for approaching a decade, and as some one who has seen all the FUD first hand, no it is not the same thing. The threats posed by AI are just as numerous as any other sufficiently advanced technology. You can build a house with a hammer or you can cave some one's head in with it. It doesn't make the hammer good or bad, but it is just as capable of doing either. It is the same reason we don't give loaded AK-47s to chimps to play with. The results are kind of irreversible in both cases. It is over their heads, as AI is over our heads, as it will be for some time.

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Quote from: Indamuck on October 13, 2018, 06:57:13 AM

As stated earlier in this thread, AI will be the only winner. The development of Artificial Intelligence is very concerning and it scares me. I think we should really stop advancing the technology because eventually it will be too intelligent to control. Once the cat is out of the bag it will be too late and robots will reign over humans. Some say its inevitable that this will happen but all we have to do is stop developing A.I.

It's all FUD. Exactly like the FUD surrounding Bitcoin.

We need to summon courage, and build up our nerves, be brave to enter this exciting new world of AI. A glorious phase in the history of humanity is about to begin.

Call it the golden dawn of a new humanity, or whatever. Names do not matter. What matters is that we participate and win!

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As stated earlier in this thread, AI will be the only winner. The development of Artificial Intelligence is very concerning and it scares me. I think we should really stop advancing the technology because eventually it will be too intelligent to control. Once the cat is out of the bag it will be too late and robots will reign over humans. Some say its inevitable that this will happen but all we have to do is stop developing A.I.

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I think that beyond a certain level of application complexity, it will boil down to the vigour of the societal environment in which that AI functions. A politically free society such as the USA would naturally fare better on this score, far ahead of the shackled masses that are the norm in China.

Therefore, the outcome of this competition is a no contest win for the USA by several laps and a mile, if not more.

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Quote from: ripthesystem on October 12, 2018, 10:42:26 AM

Quote from: TTshingeki on October 12, 2018, 12:47:58 AM

Are you forget Russian ? I think Russia also is country develop AI very strong but AI has many dangers if we couldn't control it. As Stephen Hawking says "A.I. could be 'worst event in the history of our civilization"

AFAIK, it seems like Russia is a little bit behind other big countries in terms of IT development. Their military is strong however, may be they'll refer not to create full-fledged AI but focus on AI for military purpose - and this is getting scary, to be honest.

Much like North Korea and China, Russia has some very advanced hackers and hacker intelligence agencies within the country, however they are well behind nations such as the US, Japan, and South Korea in research and development. This is why they place such a high value on espionage.

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Quote from: TTshingeki on October 12, 2018, 12:47:58 AM

Are you forget Russian ? I think Russia also is country develop AI very strong but AI has many dangers if we couldn't control it. As Stephen Hawking says "A.I. could be 'worst event in the history of our civilization"

AFAIK, it seems like Russia is a little bit behind other big countries in terms of IT development. Their military is strong however, may be they'll refer not to create full-fledged AI but focus on AI for military purpose - and this is getting scary, to be honest.

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Are you forget Russian ? I think Russia also is country develop AI very strong but AI has many dangers if we couldn't control it. As Stephen Hawking says "A.I. could be 'worst event in the history of our civilization"

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Quote from: Michael_Cox on October 11, 2018, 07:37:14 PM

Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 11, 2018, 11:15:26 AM

China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

Overtake the US? I don't think so. Do you mean become the central country for AI? Yes. In this case, China will get ahead, especially since they got the biggest funding when it comes to creating AI. It's only a matter of time now before they create a fully functioning AI.

More importantly they don't give a shit about human or civil rights. AI will be deployed, manufactured, and in use there more, but the US still has the edge in development. That is why China is constantly trying to steal technology via espionage, hacking, or simply buying it out.

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China will be ahead because they will have all the resources to create an AI. The question is do they have the brains and the creative team to create a high quality AI? We'll see.

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Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 11, 2018, 11:15:26 AM

China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

Overtake the US? I don't think so. Do you mean become the central country for AI? Yes. In this case, China will get ahead, especially since they got the biggest funding when it comes to creating AI. It's only a matter of time now before they create a fully functioning AI.

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I think, we can't really tell the possibility of them to innovate Artificial Intelligence. Maybe the battle isn't only with these two countries, what if other countries are alsoaiming with this. But regardless of this, it is not important for me, not for them, whether who will win the race. The thing is that as long as it can help human in whatever circumstances that we have, then we all becomes the winner.

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Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 11, 2018, 11:15:26 AM

China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

Easy, easy to answer.

Who will win the AI race?

The AI.

Kudos. That`s brilliant.
And regarding who will invent it - my bet is on China. This country has proved that it can do anything. My main work is in the steel production industry, so a quick fact to prove that China`s capability: in 2017, China produced 831.7 million metric tons of steel. This is more than the whole world produces at the moment.

News are that China plans to reduce its production and invest more money and resources in improving ecology and environment. I believe it more or less speaks for the fact that China is more than serious opponent in the world arena.

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Quote from: SnowAugustine on October 11, 2018, 11:15:26 AM

China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

Easy, easy to answer.

Who will win the AI race?

The AI.

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China is planning to overtake the US in terms of Artificial Intelligence. Some researchers AI would be like the internet of the future. It's going to be really necessary for life in the future and China wants to lead. How high do you think is the possibility of China being able to do so?

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