Topic: US President Donald Trump has threatened Iran (Read 875 times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/world/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-boeing-ukraine.html

A Boeing 737 carrying 180 people crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran because of technical problems, according to the Iranian Students News Agency, a state-run media agency.

The conditions of the passengers and crew were not immediately known.

The plane was bound for Ukraine, the news agency reported.  


Perfect, one can blame Iran, US, or whoever else for this that fits the narrative they believe.

I don't think Congress will be able to slow this down, the War Powers Resolution is vague enough that it might as well not exist, and they would need a veto proof majority to pass a new one.

Best chance of things slowing down enough to begin some sort of negotiation would probably be someone who can really kiss his ass and make him feel good, like Rand Paul or Lindsay Graham or even Mitch, convincing Trump that his maximum pressure strategy could have a worse result than Bush and Iraq and offering some scenario for him to back down and convince his followers he didn't actually back down and any negative side effects are 100% the democrats fault.

Where is Pelosi?  Congress needs to put the leash on Trump instead of just sitting by while he takes us to war.

Soliemani was on the ground, on the street next to the US Embassy, directing the attacks there.

There are actually laws about war.   We are/were not legally at war.  We are just there perpetually without permission from our government or theres.   Thats why its illegal.   

With that said, no one even has documentation linking him to the "hundreds of american deaths" myth being repeated by corporate media.

You can say that in all wars the other country's troops are in there illegally.

He did not threaten, Obama and other dickless wonders threatened. Trump kicked them in the balls!
NICE!

You can say that in all wars the other country's troops are in there illegally.

Soliemani was on the ground, on the street next to the US Embassy, directing the attacks there.

Our troops were in the country illegally.  IF iran had troops fighting in the streets of Kansas, would we bad for killing them?

Thats a dumb question because Iran doesn't invade other countries. 

-    Donald Trump warned Sunday that the U.S. would strike back harder against Iran if it retaliated
-    Iran officials and supporters of General Qassem Soleimani vowed vengeance for his death in US strike Friday
-    Trump tweeted: 'Should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner'
-    At a funeral procession forSoleimani, Iranians were urged to donate $1 each to raise the bounty
-    Iranian MP Abolfazl Abutorabi threatened to attack White House during open session of parliament Sunday
-    MP's threat came after Trump warned that US would hit 52 targets representing victims of Iran hostage crisis
-    Iran has also announced that the country will no longer abide by any of the limits of its 2015 nuclear deal
-    Earlier on Sunday, the Iraqi parliament voted for US troops to be expelled from the country, local reports say
-    Iran also threatened to hit 35 American targets in region, including US ships, following top general's death
-    His body was returned to Iran early Sunday to chants of 'Death to America' ahead of a three-day funeral
-    Iranians raised the blood-red 'flags of revenge' over the minarets at the revered Jamkaran Mosque
-    Thousands of US paratroopers from the 82 Airborne Division continue to deploy to the Middle East


Iran has since placed an $80million bounty on Trump's head and threatened to attack the White House in response to the president's warning that any strike on American interests in the region will bring massive retaliation.


An organizer for a funeral procession for General Qassem Soleimani called on all Iranians to donate $1 each 'in order to gather an $80million bounty on President Trump's head'.

The organizer made the remarks during the procession in Mashad.

Iran has also announced it they will no longer abide by any of the limits of its 2015 nuclear deal.

A statement issued by Iranian President Hassan Rouhani's administration said the country will not observe limitations on its enrichment, the amount of stockpiled enriched uranium as well as research and development in its nuclear activities.

It did not elaborate on what levels it would immediately reach in its program.

The International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations watchdog observing Iran's program, could not be immediately reach for comment.

Earlier on Sunday, the Iraqi parliament voted for US troops to be expelled from the country. The vote will 'obligate the government to work towards ending the presence of all foreign troops on Iraqi soil,' the country's media office stated.

They simply don't want any more interventions and destruction

Actually it makes many country scared because of the strikes that has done by US that killed the general of iran. Honestly,  IRAN already raise a red llag in their mosque which signifies that a war is coming soon.  Hopefully this wont happen and will have peace on earth. 

I don't understand why would they attack it and bring war opon their people.
Or was it the Iraqi who wanted to get Iran even more involved? o.o

Actually it makes many country scared because of the strikes that has done by US that killed the general of iran. Honestly,  IRAN already raise a red llag in their mosque which signifies that a war is coming soon.  Hopefully this wont happen and will have peace on earth. 

With US doing air strikes and killing top generals of Iran, it might be the first strike towards world war 3. North Korea must be feeling jealous by all this as we all know Kim Jong un wants the lime light always on him. Iran will respond to this soon and we may see a war.

I think Naida's comments are sort of "generally true." But I do not think they apply to Trump, who has defused numerous international conflicts and who is more oriented toward tough trade deals than any sort of military posturing.

Before USA invasion to Iraq, it was called venice of Asia.
Before Libya was invaded for democracy, it's people enjoy free education, medical and other facilities.
So it's time for USA to invade another country this time in the name of ?

Sounds like a de-escalation of tensions to me.

+1 to that.

The Democratic line of defense here revolves around the fact that the Dems think that they should've been allowed to vote on the strike beforehand and had been told about the strike beforehand. ....

+1 to that.

The Democratic line of defense here revolves around the fact that the Dems think that they should've been allowed to vote on the strike beforehand and had been told about the strike beforehand. Trump (and the Republicans) are probably going to say that the reason that they didn't tell the Dems is that they didn't trust them, which I suppose is a fair line of reasoning.

Trump (and the rest of the admin) only have to legally inform the Gang of Eight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight_(intelligence)) on intelligence, which includes members such as Schiff, Nunez, Burr, Warner, Pelosi, McCarthy, McConnell, Schumer in both the House and the Senate. But in 'extradinary circumstances' the admin can withhold information, which is what they did in this particular situation.

Both sides use this excuse when the other party is in power. Nothing changes though. Politics baby.

Sounds like a de-escalation of tensions to me.

I'm not sure what the alternative here was. Soleimani was a terrorist greater than Osama bin Laden who was involved in nearly 20% of the deaths during the Iraqi War. He has American blood on his hands and was continually coordinating terrorism attacks on U.S. troops. His killing was without a doubt the correct move. ....

So, the military starts their military exercises if Trump orders them to do so, over Twitter, but not through regular channels?

Iran doesn't need to kill a US general to give an answer.

They'll probably close Hormuz to the oil carrying ships and then boom OIL at >$100 and it triggers a major worldwide economic crisis.

It will make Iran look cool too. It will make Iran look innocent. Tbh, I don't really know if they really are innocent. Maybe they are, maybe they are not, but I know this: USA need this war more than Iran.

The financial system in the US is choking. The Dollar is weak. Iphone sales isn't enough to keep the economy alive now. China make their own phones and cars. They can't sell enough stuff to China. China refuses to stay as a slave.

They need to feed the guys in Texas. Empty and reload. The inventories are full. They need to use these guns on somewhere. Anywhere. Then the peace arrives. Till the gun inventories in the US gets filled again.

Trump tweets are considered 'official statements'.  Same as if he addressed the Nation on TV or talked to a reporter or released a written statement. 

Notice that the source is Twitter. Is Twitter a legally accepted source of legal presidential speech? In other words, if Trump gets on Twitter, and orders the military to do military exercises, does the military have to obey if there is no standard form of orders sent by the President to them through standard military channels?

Anybody can get on Twitter and say the same things that Trump did. So what? There is no harm done against anybody. Name the man or woman in Trump's threat. Iran is a corporation of sorts. It isn't any man or woman. And Trump did absolutely nothing legal or illegal that threatens any man or woman through his Tweet.

If somebody wants to be scared of what Trump said, that's his stupidity, not Trump's. After all, it is Trump the man who Tweets... not Trump the President.

With US doing air strikes and killing top generals of Iran, it might be the first strike towards world war 3. North Korea must be feeling jealous by all this as we all know Kim Jong un wants the lime light always on him. Iran will respond to this soon and we may see a war.

With US doing air strikes and killing top generals of Iran, it might be the first strike towards world war 3. North Korea must be feeling jealous by all this as we all know Kim Jong un wants the lime light always on him. Iran will respond to this soon and we may see a war.

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

China backed NK in the Korean war, and would probably back NK if the US unilaterally used military force against NK. If NK were to get working nukes they can reliably launch several hundred miles, they could force the US (and allies) to remove their military presence from the region (they have allies to the North and West, and there is water to the East and South).

Iran has allies, but they are geographically separated from Iran, and Iran is surrounded by either water or its enemies. This makes it more difficult for Iran's allies to help it in a possible war that it's allies do not want to be directly involved in (these types of wars are generally fought via proxy).

Loosing the ability to have a military presence near the NK region in the Pacific could mean we cannot trade with countries in the region on favorable terms. If Iran were to force the US out of the region, the amount of trade affected would be much less.

Not an expert, but I've been under the impression things are pretty much opposite of what you say.  I think Iran would be a much bigger issue than NK.

Iran is in the middle east, and they are military allies with Russia, Iraq, and Syria.  They have a decent modern Airforce and Navy.  We already have a ton of troops exposed in the area dealing with other issues.  Going to war with them would likely mean years long war with a possibility of serious escalations with Russia and the best case scenario is it ends up the same way Iraq did.

We already have North Korea Surrounded and I don't think China or Russia would offer them much assistance.  (I could be wrong, and it would also depend how exactly things escalated)  If they are lucky enough to get a nuke up in the air (it would take some luck considering they are pretty limited on where they can launch them from, they'd probably be hit with a NATO Nuke from a Sub or Plane before their nuke even landed.  It wouldn't really be a war, just a bunch of innocent people quickly dying.

I could be totally wrong about a lot of that.  Just recalling some wikipedia rabbit holes I've been down.

I'm not sure what the alternative here was. Soleimani was a terrorist greater than Osama bin Laden who was involved in nearly 20% of the deaths during the Iraqi War. He has American blood on his hands and was continually coordinating terrorism attacks on U.S. troops. His killing was without a doubt the correct move. Was the alternative to let him continually kill Americans just because it isn't politically convenient with the left? Trump does not want a war with Iran and bringing up his tweets about Obama years ago is ignoring the context that Iran has gotten exponentially more aggressive which includes killing an innocent American civilian and storming one of the biggest U.S. embassy's in the world shouting "Death to America".

In addition to all of this, Iran is engaged in military drills with China and Russia, two of the most corrupt countries with nuclear arms. Iran aggression is not a good thing and for three corrupt countries to be engaged in military drills while one is actively killing Americans all but calls for US intervention.

Blaming others? Trump is playing others because others are to blame. Iran had a milita to Iraq to start protests and to attack the American embassy there. All of this has been agitated by Iran.

Iran knows that it doesn't have negotiating chips like North Korea, they don't have their enriched Uranium anymore -- which was given up after the Iran deal. The only way they think they can get anything is by annoying the US here and there and hoping that at one point they give in and stop the sanctions.

They're literally using the playbook of North Korea, without nuclear weapons.

Now that the elections are coming at 2020 he is going to be more offensive to foreign countries.
The US politicians especially the Republicans are feeding their voters and try to convince them by threatening other countries around the world in order to show them dominance. Trump is doing this as well now.

From what I know of Trump he would never go to war with Iran. He really does seem to make the connection that it results in loss of human life, and wants to avoid that. Trump might just be one of the nicest Presidents we've had.

so the us is a nation that hates foreigners?

Not the response we were hoping for:


https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/01/01/iran-supreme-leader-stokes-twitter-war-with-donald-trump/

Kim Jong Un also joined in taunting the United States a few days ago:


I really hope the decisions Trump makes are based on the advice from top foreign policy experts and diplomats from the international community, or that at least someone convinces him that starting a war with Iran could hurt him politically.  Or at the very least not ignore the Joint Chiefs...

 looks like Trump managed to squeeze in 10 rounds of golf in the past 12 days: https://factba.se/topic/calendar, so the hands off approach is at least a possibility.  Hope it doesn't rain.

Now that the elections are coming at 2020 he is going to be more offensive to foreign countries.
The US politicians especially the Republicans are feeding their voters and try to convince them by threatening other countries around the world in order to show them dominance. Trump is doing this as well now.

Iran knows that it doesn't have negotiating chips like North Korea, they don't have their enriched Uranium anymore -- which was given up after the Iran deal. The only way they think they can get anything is by annoying the US here and there and hoping that at one point they give in and stop the sanctions.

They're literally using the playbook of North Korea, without nuclear weapons.

Blaming others and starting an unnecessary war is a tried and tested way to deviate the focus of nation out from the internal problems.
There's no any place for ethics or reason in the way a superpower bullies. Though this time, the US might be loosing Europe.

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

Now that the elections are coming at 2020 he is going to be more offensive to foreign countries.
The US politicians especially the Republicans are feeding their voters and try to convince them by threatening other countries around the world in order to show them dominance. Trump is doing this as well now.

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

As Americans waited to see how the U.S. would respond to an Iranian-backed Iraqi militia’s embassy attack, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei taunted President Trump on Twitter Wednesday — taking Trump on at his own game.

“That guy (President Trump) has tweeted that we see Iran responsible for the events in Baghdad & we will respond to Iran. 1st: You can’t do anything. 2nd: If you were logical — which you’re not — you’d see that your crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan… have made nations hate you, If the Islamic Republic decides to challenge & fight, it will do so unequivocally. We’re not after wars, but we strongly defend the Iranian nation’s interests, dignity, & glory. If anyone threatens that, we will unhesitatingly confront & strike them." Khamenei’s official English-language Twitter account posted.