US Presidential Election: Trump Will Not Commit to Peaceful Transfer of Power

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 30, 2020, 05:30:46 AM

I have no doubt about this. If he is not re-elected Trump will try his best to cling on to power for as long as possible by trying to engage in long drawn out litigations. It will not look good for both Trump and Biden if it goes to court therefore the best solution would be for the people to turn out as never before and vote for the person they want, at least that way it might minimise the chances of this going to court.

Of course you are right about Trump not leaving willingly if he loses. But it isn't the way that you are thinking. Here's the way it really is.

If Trump loses, Biden will mess the country up so badly, that EVERYBODY will welcome Trump back with tears and open arms in 2024. And Trump will be way readier than he is today.

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EDIT: And if anybody says, look at how old Trump is already... There are tons of anti-aging technologies being perfected right now. Biden is too ... well, let me say that he isn't taking advantage of them. But Trump by 2024 will be ready.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 30, 2020, 05:30:46 AM

I have no doubt about this. If he is not re-elected Trump will try his best to cling on to power for as long as possible by trying to engage in long drawn out litigations. It will not look good for both Trump and Biden if it goes to court therefore the best solution would be for the people to turn out as never before and vote for the person they want, at least that way it might minimise the chances of this going to court.

As for Hillary, she keeps popping in and out of newspaper and television interviews trying to make herself relevant in one way or another. I agree with you, she is annoying and I also hope she can stay away from both the media and politics.

Eh, I'm not too sure about the whole -- Donald Trump is going to try to stay as the President even if he loses the election. I don't think the GOP is going to allow him to do it, they're going to be in open revolt and force him to leave. And with both chambers of congress (As the DNC will support them in the house) they will totally be able to remove the President, even if that requires impeachment for high crimes.

If Trump tries to do that, that's going to be the end of the modern Republican party. The GOP doesn't want that, lol.

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I have no doubt about this. If he is not re-elected Trump will try his best to cling on to power for as long as possible by trying to engage in long drawn out litigations. It will not look good for both Trump and Biden if it goes to court therefore the best solution would be for the people to turn out as never before and vote for the person they want, at least that way it might minimise the chances of this going to court.

As for Hillary, she keeps popping in and out of newspaper and television interviews trying to make herself relevant in one way or another. I agree with you, she is annoying and I also hope she can stay away from both the media and politics.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 27, 2020, 09:55:21 AM

Does anybody care about what Hillary Clinton says?

And if Biden has a mega team of lawyers to file a lawsuit disputing the results if he loses, then Trump would also have the same thing prepared too.

This is definitely going to Court, that is what the signs indicate.

Trump has a legal team ready to litigate the results too, I think we're in for a shit show no matter what. I mention Hillary Clinton because she's a former Presidential candidate who is telling Biden not to concede.

I don't think anyone actually cares what Hillary says, I hope she can just disappear into private citizen life. She's annoying.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 27, 2020, 09:55:21 AM

Does anybody care about what Hillary Clinton says?

And if Biden has a mega team of lawyers to file a lawsuit disputing the results if he loses, then Trump would also have the same thing prepared too.

This is definitely going to Court, that is what the signs indicate.

Quote from: Gyfts on September 25, 2020, 05:26:14 PM

Hillary Clinton also said to Joe Biden that under no circumstances should he concede the election. Biden has also hired a mega team of lawyers that will absolutely file a lawsuit on election day to keep counting mail in ballots if he isn't determined the clear and obvious winner.

We're not going to know who the winner is on election day if the polls continue to tighten up so litigation is what's going to end up happening. Also, let's not act like in 2016 it wasn't liberals sending death threats to state electors to force them to be faithless and pledge their vote for Clinton when she lost.

Trump has a legal team ready to litigate the results too, I think we're in for a shit show no matter what. I mention Hillary Clinton because she's a former Presidential candidate who is telling Biden not to concede.

I don't think anyone actually cares what Hillary says, I hope she can just disappear into private citizen life. She's annoying.

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I agree with you many of the Presidents show odd behaviour in one way or another and within moderate amounts it might be a necessity and beyond that it, I would go further saying that to some extent an admiration of oneself is essential in any walk of life, regardless, but narcissistic behaviour is not part and parcel of the job.

The key in a public role such as President or any world leader is this: just because one thinks of themselves as the best thing on the planet and have an overblown ego to match it does not mean they have to display those behaviours in public where others manage to discover their narcissism. It would be better for them to keep their narcissistic behaviour to themselves than make public displays.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 27, 2020, 12:41:19 PM

Even if those states are purposely implementing methods and procedures for various reasons, there is no certainty that those implementations will benefit Biden over Trump.

Trump is a complete narcissist, he believes in his own over-inflated value and ego therefore I do not know why he is getting concerned about this because as long as he holds the states he won in 2016 he will be re-elected.

If you look back at the last dozen presidents or so, they do have odd personalities.

Narcissism is quite likely to be found in a majority of successful politicians. It's an interesting trait. In moderate amounts it will help make a successful public figure, and if too extreme, it has negative effects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

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Quote from: Spendulus on September 27, 2020, 05:56:20 PM

Crypto is still the solution. A unique series of large numbers HD from a primary key can all spell a YES vote, and another series can spell a NO vote. But looking at them on a piece of paper, a schemer cannot tell which is which.

Perfect security is easily possible.

If you know that many people in neighbored "x" are registered republicans, a democratic operative could go to that neighborhood to help them get to a point before they actually cast a vote, and tell them they have cast their vote, leading them to believe they have voted when in fact they have not.
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Around here a democratic operative that tried that would have a really, really bad day. A voter could determine his records on the blockchain, and then complaint that he had not voted, when the blockchain showed he had. Remember, the blockchain is a public record.

Of course, the proof of the assertion I made is that it would withstand the test of hundreds of imaginative gaming attempts to refute the premise. One or another attempts shows a weakness, then the initiative is revised. Considerable work on voting records in blockchain has been done.

Still, politically there is an adage: Approve and implement nothing that isn't corruptible.

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Quote from: Spendulus on September 27, 2020, 05:56:20 PM

Crypto is still the solution. A unique series of large numbers HD from a primary key can all spell a YES vote, and another series can spell a NO vote. But looking at them on a piece of paper, a schemer cannot tell which is which.

Perfect security is easily possible.

If you know that many people in neighbored "x" are registered republicans, a democratic operative could go to that neighborhood to help them get to a point before they actually cast a vote, and tell them they have cast their vote, leading them to believe they have voted when in fact they have not.

I don't believe democratic operatives actually open mailed ballots they intend on throwing away, they just compare party registration to where the ballots are coming from, and act accordingly. An opened mail-in ballot is useless once it has been opened because once it is opened, it is obvious it was tampered with.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 27, 2020, 05:11:40 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on September 25, 2020, 05:26:14 PM

We're not going to know who the winner is on election day if the polls continue to tighten up so litigation is what's going to end up happening. Also, let's not act like in 2016 it wasn't liberals sending death threats to state electors to force them to be faithless and pledge their vote for Clinton when she lost.

The advent of BLM's influence, and their ability to produce propaganda and fear has rendered polls less useful. Nearly 2/3 of Americans are afraid to share their political views. I would say the polls will likely not reflect the electorate, nor the outcome of the election.

Quote from: Spendulus on September 27, 2020, 09:14:59 AM

Even mail in ballots could be cryptographically secured and attributable to individual voters using a blockchain, thus creating a system where this type of abuse was not possible.

The issue is not as much that one person is voting multiple times, the issue with mail-in voting is that political activists and operatives will put undue pressure on voters to vote a certain way, and that operatives can identify voters likely to vote a certain way, collect those votes and "lose" those votes.

Crypto is still the solution. A unique series of large numbers HD from a primary key can all spell a YES vote, and another series can spell a NO vote. But looking at them on a piece of paper, a schemer cannot tell which is which.

Perfect security is easily possible.

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Quote from: Gyfts on September 25, 2020, 05:26:14 PM

We're not going to know who the winner is on election day if the polls continue to tighten up so litigation is what's going to end up happening. Also, let's not act like in 2016 it wasn't liberals sending death threats to state electors to force them to be faithless and pledge their vote for Clinton when she lost.

The advent of BLM's influence, and their ability to produce propaganda and fear has rendered polls less useful. Nearly 2/3 of Americans are afraid to share their political views. I would say the polls will likely not reflect the electorate, nor the outcome of the election.

Quote from: Spendulus on September 27, 2020, 09:14:59 AM

Even mail in ballots could be cryptographically secured and attributable to individual voters using a blockchain, thus creating a system where this type of abuse was not possible.

The issue is not as much that one person is voting multiple times, the issue with mail-in voting is that political activists and operatives will put undue pressure on voters to vote a certain way, and that operatives can identify voters likely to vote a certain way, collect those votes and "lose" those votes.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 27, 2020, 12:41:19 PM

Even if those states are purposely implementing methods and procedures for various reasons, there is no certainty that those implementations will benefit Biden over Trump.

Trump is a complete narcissist, he believes in his own over-inflated value and ego therefore I do not know why he is getting concerned about this because as long as he holds the states he won in 2016 he will be re-elected.

If you look back at the last dozen presidents or so, they do have odd personalities.

Narcissism is quite likely to be found in a majority of successful politicians. It's an interesting trait. In moderate amounts it will help make a successful public figure, and if too extreme, it has negative effects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

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Even if those states are purposely implementing methods and procedures for various reasons, there is no certainty that those implementations will benefit Biden over Trump.

Trump is a complete narcissist, he believes in his own over-inflated value and ego therefore I do not know why he is getting concerned about this because as long as he holds the states he won in 2016 he will be re-elected.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 27, 2020, 09:55:21 AM

Does anybody care about what Hillary Clinton says?

And if Biden has a mega team of lawyers to file a lawsuit disputing the results if he loses, then Trump would also have the same thing prepared too.

This is definitely going to Court, that is what the signs indicate.

If so, that's due to several states implementing, purposefully, procedures and methods that maximize uncertainty of outcome, and which maximize the possibility of stealing the election through litigation.

And that's the Democrats doing that.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 27, 2020, 09:55:21 AM

Does anybody care about what Hillary Clinton says?

And if Biden has a mega team of lawyers to file a lawsuit disputing the results if he loses, then Trump would also have the same thing prepared too.

This is definitely going to Court, that is what the signs indicate.

If so, that's due to several states implementing, purposefully, procedures and methods that maximize uncertainty of outcome, and which maximize the possibility of stealing the election through litigation.

And that's the Democrats doing that.

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Does anybody care about what Hillary Clinton says?

And if Biden has a mega team of lawyers to file a lawsuit disputing the results if he loses, then Trump would also have the same thing prepared too.

This is definitely going to Court, that is what the signs indicate.

Quote from: Gyfts on September 25, 2020, 05:26:14 PM

Hillary Clinton also said to Joe Biden that under no circumstances should he concede the election. Biden has also hired a mega team of lawyers that will absolutely file a lawsuit on election day to keep counting mail in ballots if he isn't determined the clear and obvious winner.

We're not going to know who the winner is on election day if the polls continue to tighten up so litigation is what's going to end up happening. Also, let's not act like in 2016 it wasn't liberals sending death threats to state electors to force them to be faithless and pledge their vote for Clinton when she lost.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 27, 2020, 08:25:18 AM

Quote from: Gyfts on September 25, 2020, 05:26:14 PM

Hillary Clinton also said to Joe Biden that under no circumstances should he concede the election. Biden has also hired a mega team of lawyers that will absolutely file a lawsuit on election day to keep counting mail in ballots if he isn't determined the clear and obvious winner.

Oh.. I got it.

It is going to be a repeat of the 2008 United States Senate election in Minnesota. It happened 12 years ago, but the dramatics are still fresh in my mind. Grin

The GOP candidate (Norm Coleman) had won the election in the first count. Then mysteriously, "uncounted" ballots (obviously all in favor of the Democrat candidate Al Franken) were being "discovered" in dust bins, gyms, fast food stores.etc. A Democrat official infamously stated that "we will count and count until Franken wins". And in the end, Franken was declared the winner, after sufficient number of "uncounted" ballots were produced.

Even mail in ballots could be cryptographically secured and attributable to individual voters using a blockchain, thus creating a system where this type of abuse was not possible.

I'd be okay with a federal law or policy mandating such secure methods, even though most issues of voting are up to the states and should be.

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Quote from: Gyfts on September 25, 2020, 05:26:14 PM

Hillary Clinton also said to Joe Biden that under no circumstances should he concede the election. Biden has also hired a mega team of lawyers that will absolutely file a lawsuit on election day to keep counting mail in ballots if he isn't determined the clear and obvious winner.

Oh.. I got it.

It is going to be a repeat of the 2008 United States Senate election in Minnesota. It happened 12 years ago, but the dramatics are still fresh in my mind. Grin

The GOP candidate (Norm Coleman) had won the election in the first count. Then mysteriously, "uncounted" ballots (obviously all in favor of the Democrat candidate Al Franken) were being "discovered" in dust bins, gyms, fast food stores.etc. A Democrat official infamously stated that "we will count and count until Franken wins". And in the end, Franken was declared the winner, after sufficient number of "uncounted" ballots were produced.

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Hillary Clinton also said to Joe Biden that under no circumstances should he concede the election. Biden has also hired a mega team of lawyers that will absolutely file a lawsuit on election day to keep counting mail in ballots if he isn't determined the clear and obvious winner.

We're not going to know who the winner is on election day if the polls continue to tighten up so litigation is what's going to end up happening. Also, let's not act like in 2016 it wasn't liberals sending death threats to state electors to force them to be faithless and pledge their vote for Clinton when she lost.

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I think it goes without say any US President should be morally correct regardless of whether he/she is politically correct or not. As for any merits a President might have as a result of having a particular type of dialect or a certain standard of the English language with a certain grasp of verbs, nouns or pronouns - none of it matters.

Whether it is BLM or any other group or umbrella group, personally I would not take a knee or raise an arm to support any type of movement no matter how much I stood by them or stood against them. I would not feel the need to do that just to show my support or opposition to any movement therefore I would not expect the President to do it.

Quote from: Spendulus on September 25, 2020, 11:23:10 AM

He's also publicly stated he's not trying and not intending to be politically correct.

So what do you think? Should we require a POTUS candidate to be politically correct? Should we require him to use 50 pronouns? Raise his arm to salute Black Lives Matter?

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 25, 2020, 08:06:05 AM

I agree, Trump was very inarticulate... regularly.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 24, 2020, 11:45:07 PM

This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".

Agree completely. Trump isn't articulate, quite often.

He's also publicly stated he's not trying and not intending to be politically correct.

So what do you think? Should we require a POTUS candidate to be politically correct? Should we require him to use 50 pronouns? Raise his arm to salute Black Lives Matter?

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I agree, Trump was very inarticulate... regularly.

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This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".

Agree completely. Trump isn't articulate, quite often.

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It's 41 days to the polls as you rightly said and that was rather a controversial question from the journalist which demands for a controversial answer as well of which, president Trump probably delivered.
In accepting that there would be a peaceful transfer of power could simply be him accepting that, he's lost the forth coming election which I don't believe any contestant with a vision would love to admit to himself with time still on the clock. It discourages your voter to a large extent.
He's answer of a continuation is simply assuring in himself and he's voters that's there would be a second tenor with him on seat and probably a way to win himself over some voters and ensure his antagonist if I may borrow that term plays fair in the polls to avoid court cases.
Surely if he looses, he would be left without a choice than to hand over peacefully.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 24, 2020, 11:45:07 PM

This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".

Agree completely. Trump isn't articulate, quite often.

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I absolutely agree with you, Biden and Harris were a terrible choice.

I think it is fairly obvious the anti-Trump protest vote will not be enough to get him out of office because the Democrats should have had a suitable candidate and running mate to pile the pressure on Trump. Unless something changes it seems Trump will be re-elected.

Look at what Michael Moore said about Trump going to win re-election, it all seems to be playing out in his favour: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning

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Biden and Harris was a terrible choice. Better would have been a relatively unknown governor, non-commie non-socialist, with few negatives in the closet. But the primaries went the wrong way.

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This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 04:23:13 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on September 24, 2020, 09:01:22 AM

You might want to revise your first sentence.

Since you infer "Trump will not commit to peaceful transfer" based on his response to your first sentence, then do you have to revise your conclusions also?

I just copied it from the BBC news website stating what they stated.
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Okay, I'll list the quote and make my point. I apologize if its obvious.

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. .

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

Really, the question is the disaster. Does it imply that Trump should commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he wins? If the election appears a "draw" and goes into litigation?

My opinion is his answer was straightforward given the ambiguity in the question. So then you get headlines that Trump will not commit to a peaceful transfer of power...

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Quote from: Spendulus on September 24, 2020, 09:01:22 AM

You might want to revise your first sentence.

Since you infer "Trump will not commit to peaceful transfer" based on his response to your first sentence, then do you have to revise your conclusions also?

I just copied it from the BBC news website stating what they stated.

Quote from: merchantofzeny on September 24, 2020, 10:01:23 AM

As a non-American observer, I'm more worried what will happen when he wins again. He haven't secured a second term yet and cities are already burning. Undecided

You seem sure he will win. I am not as sure as you but I think the way things are going in US politics and media it would not be a surprise if Trump was re-elected.

Quote from: Natsuu on September 24, 2020, 10:06:32 AM

Electoral votes always lean towards the former president as always happens from the previous terms, so the only way for Biden to win this election is for him to have a unsounding victory over Trump, cause if the gap is slim or average-slim, the administration can easily manipulate some votes for it to lean towards them. And that is the sad truth about the "Democratic" society we're living in.

I would say that whether Trump or Biden win it must be an emphatic or resounding victory otherwise the loser will take it to Court based on mail voting irregularities.

Quote from: Spendulus on September 24, 2020, 02:10:36 PM

I suspect we'll have that massive mandate in favor of Trump, and all the efforts of Democrats to confuse and delay the results and bring in attorney weasels, will not matter.

Republicans are used to having to have a electoral college advantage in excess of the Democrats level of corruption, in order to win an election. This time that corruption is expected to be higher.

The very name of this thread is an example of the much seen Democratic tactic of accusing their opponent of the very thing they are doing. The push for mail in ballots is nothing but an opportunity and an active attempt to delay, obfuscate and create opportunities for litigating the election results. Trump did not do this. Democrats did this. Duhh...

Biden seems unelectable to me because it seems like age has caught up with him and his running mate Harris does not seem to have connected at all with voters on the basis of her being female and/or being a person of colour. This could be a massive victory from Trump but a lot of the reason for his win could simply go down to Democrats selecting the wrong candidate. Even Trump said not long ago that he was not concerned about defeating Biden but he would have a more formidable opponent in Sanders and I think the Democrats just might have handed Trump his re-election by having Biden as their candidate.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 12:30:33 PM

Well what cannot be denied is this will be a very difficult battle for a winner to be announced unless it is with a massive mandate from the electorate ...

I suspect we'll have that massive mandate in favor of Trump, and all the efforts of Democrats to confuse and delay the results and bring in attorney weasels, will not matter.

Republicans are used to having to have a electoral college advantage in excess of the Democrats level of corruption, in order to win an election. This time that corruption is expected to be higher.

The very name of this thread is an example of the much seen Democratic tactic of accusing their opponent of the very thing they are doing. The push for mail in ballots is nothing but an opportunity and an active attempt to delay, obfuscate and create opportunities for litigating the election results. Trump did not do this. Democrats did this. Duhh...

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Well what cannot be denied is this will be a very difficult battle for a winner to be announced unless it is with a massive mandate from the electorate otherwise both Trump and Biden will dispute the results. This looks like it will get very messy.

Quote from: Charles-Tim on September 24, 2020, 08:56:40 AM

If Trump loses the election, that will be a sorry case as he will say 'bye bye' to the presidential seat. USA is not practicing autogracy or semi-democracy, United States is practising democratic system of government. He may only try to manipulate, but if he loses, then his wining counterparty which will be Biden will be the next United State president. Just based on the system of US government, I am not in support of any of them with this write up.

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Sigh.

This really is just not something you want to say. Like shit you can THINK this sort of thing as Trump (I don't agree with it obviously) but you don't say it out loud. Does the Trump campaign team know that Biden is going to use this as a campaign ad now?

Shit you don't even need to sit down and piece together stuff that Trump has done with graphics and such. LITERALLY JUST PLAY HIM SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER TO DEM VOTERS. This'll easily improve voter turnout among them.

Crazy.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 05:50:45 AM

BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there'll be a continuation."

It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

Supreme court rules higher than the executives. and that is given at many points, so our common sense will dictate that, "YES, they will remain unbiased" but for what is happening, there will only be 2 scenarios that we can expect. The court leans toward Biden, or trump, no in-between. The emotional state of America has gone really high, and this was cause by all the ruckus and pandemic happening around it.

Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 09:40:59 AM

It will probably end up in Court but there is no evidence to back up the view that he will stay in power after losing the election. Whoever loses at the ballot box will insist he will win when mailing votes will be counted and that is going to cause a huge problem. Both will claim victory unless one has a resounding overwhelming victory over the other on the night.

Electoral votes always lean towards the former president as always happens from the previous terms, so the only way for Biden to win this election is for him to have a unsounding victory over Trump, cause if the gap is slim or average-slim, the administration can easily manipulate some votes for it to lean towards them. And that is the sad truth about the "Democratic" society we're living in.

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As a non-American observer, I'm more worried what will happen when he wins again. He haven't secured a second term yet and cities are already burning. Undecided

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It will probably end up in Court but there is no evidence to back up the view that he will stay in power after losing the election. Whoever loses at the ballot box will insist he will win when mailing votes will be counted and that is going to cause a huge problem. Both will claim victory unless one has a resounding overwhelming victory over the other on the night.

Quote from: Juggy777 on September 24, 2020, 08:01:27 AM

@JollyGood this is inevitable now Trump is not going to give up, and thanks to the additional judge he’ll possibly reverse the election results if he loses and then continue to stay in power. Also I had written about this possibility in another thread, and day by day I’m getting convinced that he’ll use courts help to stay in power which will definitely hurt the American people’s sentiments.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 05:50:45 AM

BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden....

You might want to revise your first sentence.

Since you infer "Trump will not commit to peaceful transfer" based on his response to your first sentence, then do you have to revise your conclusions also?

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 24, 2020, 08:01:27 AM

It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

If Trump loses the election, that will be a sorry case as he will say 'bye bye' to the presidential seat. USA is not practicing autogracy or semi-democracy, United States is practising democratic system of government. He may only try to manipulate, but if he loses, then his wining counterparty which will be Biden will be the next United State president. Just based on the system of US government, I am not in support of any of them with this write up.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 05:50:45 AM

BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there'll be a continuation."

It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

@JollyGood this is inevitable now Trump is not going to give up, and thanks to the additional judge he’ll possibly reverse the election results if he loses and then continue to stay in power. Also I had written about this possibility in another thread, and day by day I’m getting convinced that he’ll use courts help to stay in power which will definitely hurt the American people’s sentiments.

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Also if he were to loose the elections then too he can use his power to appoint a judge till January 2021, so he can appoint the judge post the election results too, and then use the court to reverse the election results, and I know it’s easy to say this and it’s difficult to execute it, but my gut feeling says that this is what he plans to do.

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-ruth-bader-ginsburgs-death-could-mean-for-2020-and-the-supreme-court/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/18/ruth-bader-ginsburg-supreme-court-faq-explainer

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BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there'll be a continuation."

It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

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