US Regulations to "Rule them all?" - Look at this

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Quote from: leopard2 on June 06, 2013, 03:01:36 PM

Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

They are for the US empire and the way things are going, Obama considers any living person on earth his peon and any square foot on the planet to be part of his empire. Romans 2.0.

And as the original Romans they will fall... Guess why...

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Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

They are for the US empire and the way things are going, Obama considers any living person on earth his peon and any square foot on the planet to be part of his empire. Romans 2.0.

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This explains the whole situation perfectly. http://www.coindesk.com/fincen-boss-lays-out-bitcoin-rules/

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Quote from: caveden on June 04, 2013, 10:26:48 AM

Quote from: Gabi on June 04, 2013, 09:18:04 AM

True, but a treaty means that the other nations too accepted the US laws.

Have you read about FATCA, Gabi? The choice is either disconnect yourself entirely from the banking system, or accept it. And accepting FATCA == throwing away financial privacy.
Even Switzerland and Liechtenstein have bowed. Also countries like The Bahamas - which has no personal taxes of any kind, so it doesn't have any infrastructure in place to monitor people's financial life - are adapting.

So yeah... the topic title isn't very inaccurate. US regulations to rule them all indeed.

Welcome to the New World Order, join or get crushed.

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Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

^^ lmao, this is what idiots on the News spamming OMG bitcoin is being attacked!! They shut down liberty reserve. Liberty Reserve was an exchange like MT. Gox is. It's not a fucking currency, Bitcoin is a currency. They did not shut down Liberty Reserve the currency but liberty reserve the exchange. The big problem is yes US laws are only for the US, but if you do business in the US and you break those laws you can be indicted just like they did with Liberty Reserve a company outside of the US.

They can probably indict Mt. Gox for money laundering since they have US customers.

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I'm more interested about china and russia.

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Quote from: Gabi on June 04, 2013, 09:18:04 AM

True, but a treaty means that the other nations too accepted the US laws.

Have you read about FATCA, Gabi? The choice is either disconnect yourself entirely from the banking system, or accept it. And accepting FATCA == throwing away financial privacy.
Even Switzerland and Liechtenstein have bowed. Also countries like The Bahamas - which has no personal taxes of any kind, so it doesn't have any infrastructure in place to monitor people's financial life - are adapting.

So yeah... the topic title isn't very inaccurate. US regulations to rule them all indeed.

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Quote from: joesmoe2012 on May 26, 2013, 03:25:13 PM

Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

Breaking news - your wrong. US AML Laws can be enforced via treaty in other nations, especially if you are holding USD, exchanging USD, or dealing with American in any other currency.

True, but a treaty means that the other nations too accepted the US laws.

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Quote from: btc237ftw on May 21, 2013, 06:12:30 AM

http://www.coindesk.com/canada-confused-on-bitcoin-eh/

Do you think US regulations controls the banks of Canada/UK?

They seem to be doing a much better job of controlling swiss banks then I would have ever guessed they would have.

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

China has even more restrictive policies than USA. Everyone *wants* to do business with China, but fear the policies. When fear of US banking system > Chinese banking system, then China gets more banking business.

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The problem is that if any bank wants to do business in the U.S., they have to conform to U.S. regulations, and every bank wants to do business in the U.S.

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This guy seems to think laws don't matter as much as pressure does: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/05/29/bitcoins-in-danger-from-the-bureaucracy

What is the legal stand point on pressure? Laws don't need to be broken for politics to kill something.

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Quote from: joesmoe2012 on May 26, 2013, 03:25:13 PM

Breaking news - your wrong. US AML Laws can be enforced via treaty in other nations, especially if you are holding USD, exchanging USD, or dealing with American in any other currency.

Fortunately not in all countries... Russia is good example.

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Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

Breaking news - your wrong. US AML Laws can be enforced via treaty in other nations, especially if you are holding USD, exchanging USD, or dealing with American in any other currency.

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Quote from: btc237ftw on May 21, 2013, 06:12:30 AM

http://www.coindesk.com/canada-confused-on-bitcoin-eh/

Do you think US regulations controls the banks of Canada/UK?

Wrong way round,

UK (square mile of London) owns/runs the Fed and Canada.

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Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

have you ever heard of the word 'treaty'?

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Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

It would be nice if it were so, but the reality is more complicated (post from the Press section):

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Canada might well be a great place to do business, but anyone considering operating an exchange there should make no mistake:

When the DHS or NSA says "jump!", INSET (Canada's equivalent of the US DHS) says "how high?". Unfortunate but true in post 9/11 Canada.

Reportedly, they have a habit of pulling up unannounced in unmarked Crown Vics, in dark suits with conspicuous shoulder holsters, to do the bidding of various US agencies. Not generally too concerned with the formalities of obtaining warrants in advance, they've been reported on more than one occasion to just say "we have an ERT on standby" or "we have direct orders from Ottawa" when asked. Compliance with their requests usually follows.

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Sounds like bullshit, why would government agencies ever take the time to warn businesses they are Not under their control?

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Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

Heard about FATCA already?

Even Switzerland and Lichtenstein have already knelled to the emperor. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-02/billionaire-tax-haven-liechtenstein-loses-on-bank-reforms.html

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Well good luck doing that with china or russia

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Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

Unless they export those laws by assassinations and murders... Truly evil nation does that...

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Quote from: Gabi on May 21, 2013, 06:59:32 AM

Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

No way!

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Breaking news: US laws are only for US Shocked

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and this is where its always best to talk to the regulators EG UK FSA and your bank manager, instead of avoiding them and waiting for the $h!t to hit the fan.

my bank manager has no problems with bitcoin at all, and they like seeing the money rolling through their accounts. as long as you stick to the rules and know the limits.

atleast half of these exchanges have the teenage mentality of "its my life i can do what i like" which leave their parents worrying what they are upto and ending up snooping on them just to figure out and ensure their kids dont get into trouble which would lead to problems for them also, leading to needless arguments and problems.

.. much the same as the bank manager/customer relationship.

so have a conversation, be polite, be open and honest and mature about things and you will realise the headaches and arguments need not happen... as much

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http://www.coindesk.com/canada-confused-on-bitcoin-eh/

Do you think US regulations controls the banks of Canada/UK?

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