Topic: US starring at 18 months lockdown - Neel Kashkari (Read 544 times)

I entirely agree. We are staring at one of two things:
1. Get back to work, and let a few hundred thousand die - mostly people who would have died anyway;
2. Maintain the lockdowns/shutdowns and kill millions.

We are at the turning point right now. Get back to work today, or kill millions.

By all means, it will be really dangerous to prolong quarantine. Even if not a 80 % will be destroyed, but 40 % (half of all services), no, even 20 %. Such country will be doomed. That's fact.

But yeah, it would be good (in any country) if industry or agriculture will raise. But in reality it will be hard to happen, because if you lost your job and money, it's hard to do anything in big countries. Where do you get money for farm or a small workshop? Yeah, from nowhere :c

Hi, franky1. Thanks again for helping me show the forum that Coronavirus is a hoax.

The best reason to get out of your house is to get fresh air and sunshine. Sunshine gives you natural vitamin D, and fresh air cleanses you from the chemicals in the building that is your house. So, you are absolutely right. We Arizonans have REASON to get out of our houses, not excuses.

But actually, if the weather is good, everybody should get out of their houses... especially at this time when their employers won't let them come to work. Good for their health to get out and relax and have fun in the sun.

Oh, btw, do you have medical records you can post for any people here? And, can you prove that the medical people were going against the unreasonable orders by the CDC to call anything Covid-19?

I know you had me figured out months ago. That's why I thank you for helping me fight the media and doctor lies that there is a disease pandemic. The pandemic is there, but it is a pandemic of the mind, where people are being suckered into believing there is a CV pandemic.

Thanks, franky1..

well now they are relaxing arizona because its not a hotzone. now you have no excuse to get out of your house and actually go find the victims families of covid and ask their thoughts. then get their medical records and see their scans

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oh wait. let me guess you will try to convince yourself of any lame excuse to not exit your basement and instead find ways to avoid seeking evidence. you are obviously comfortable in your ignorance.

yep i had you figured out months ago

Hey, man. Thanks again for advertising me and my posts.

Don't you realize that they don't want home schooling, because it is the home schoolers, both teachers and students, that are advertising the most against the fake CV pandemic?

Don't you realize that what any country does, isn't what the people - even in government - necessarily think? Forget the Japan stuff until you learn to adjust your thinking to reality.

As you say, a pandemic doesn't happen to everyone at the same time. But do you know what happens to everyone at the same time in this world of interconnected communications? Fake news media.

You haven't checked into what Arizona is doing. They are changing their tactics. They are allowing things to become more free, while at the same time making things to be more orderly. You really need to get on the ground in Arizona, to see why so few people have gotten the flu and pneumonia. There essentially isn't any positive test for Covid-19, or the other Coronaviruses.

So, thanks again for your help in advertising.

another lesson time for badecker
seems he needs home schooling

first of all japan didnt do any repatriation flights from china..
but america did.
thats why there is a massive difference in numbers

secondly japan cancelled the olympics and is now deciding if it too should start thinking of self isolation
now that its numbers are on the rise

so here is the big mind blowing thought.

a pandemic does not happen to everyone at the same time. it has to pass between people and travel.. so different countries different regions get it at different times especially if they do things to prevent/delay the spread

so yea arizona is not really a hotzone because they went into lockdown a few weeks before a hotzone critical number.
if you stupidly think every country all got infected on december 18th along with china. then you stupidly are more than ignorant than ever

Now Elon Musk, along with McAfee, are agreeing that the whole CV thing is an inside job. The sooner we wake up to this fact, the sooner we can get on with our lives and get back to work.

Check the site for John McAfee's tweet, and Musk's response to it.


Elon Musk Endorses McAfee's Theory: Hospitals Inflating COVID-19 Deaths

It also goes to countries that have a huge infection not only US, and  I don't think it will reach 18 months our scientist are aggressive in finding the right vaccine for this virus and US pharmaceutical companies are not far behind they will do everything to get the cure but you are right about announcing a very long lockdown, it will surely create panic and hopelessness.

its actually 80% service sector
but that service sector is not prodomenantly customer facing. its call centres and office stuff. which people can work from home.

americas '20trill' gdp is not even normal broad money but the derivatives and insurance 'balances' that are not actualy backed up by true broad money

so relax a bit about the economy. as long as people can guy a loaf of bread and a tin of baked beans. people will survive
trying to risk health to keep FIAT stable is foolish.. a nurse and an available hospital bed is worth more than a bank note

i would actually like to see a swing of people changing their jobs out of the 'service sector' and into the farming/industrial sectors and definetly get the number of medical staff trained up to buffer the needs should anything like this happen in the future

Ahahah, if any country will stay 18 months closed, then it will be economics and social death to it. Even for such powerful country like USA. 70 % of american GDP is services sector, 18 % is industry and 1-2 % is agriculture. So, if 70 % of GDP will disappear, what will left?

Quarantine could be long in 1918, when most countries have small service sector and big industry with agriculture, but now it's impossible to keep lockdown more than 3-4 months.

Everything is very simple, you can grow your own food, start production inside the country. But this is not so easy, as there are many other problems that prevent it from being organized.

so badecker does not realise that the amount of people that get a severe response to covid is like 20%
with a 320mill population.. does badecker really want to see 64million people struggle to breathe. and IF there was enough beds for them 6mill die..
does he not realise with there not being that many hospital beds with oxygen supply or other treatments that more than 6mil will die.

all so that badecker can huddle up in his basement (in a non general population restricted scenario) and let the viral storm blow past him and through all his neighbours so that in 6-9 months he can go to the store and never get it.

badeckers herd immunity ploy is to make other gets get it, others suffer, let it pass so that he never has to get it.
thats not herd immunity. thats herd sacrifice and herd evasion.
idiot, selfish and ignorant

yes lockdown isnt going to make herd immunity blow through the whole population in 6 months. the whole point is to not get it to critical numbers that overwhelm hospitals.
so it wil be a trickle amount of 0.3-1% a month for obviously more than 1 year rather than
0.1,0.3,1,3,9,27,81,100 in 6-9 month
yep expect each month to be more like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 max

so badecker if your plan was to ride it out and wait for everyone else to get it.. forget that plan and try something different.

many hospitals cant cope with a 1% spread. so that means if hospitals in your town get overwhelmed restrictions will be tightened again

Russians know better about CV. Note that there is a transcript of the video.


Russian Athlete Blasts Media and Mayor: Lockdown Is 'F**Ing Nonsense!...




Who Needs This Circus!? Russian Ice Hockey Player Launches Tirade At Mayor Over Coronavirus Lockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PxqUPclfjM

^^^ I agree. America is self-governing. The people should get up and self-govern by getting rid of these pandemic scammers, their governmental leaders. This will reduce the lockdown times dramatically.

if the US citizens continues to be irresponsible then it might be more than just 18 months of quarantine because there's still no vaccine and normally according to the past pandemics. A drug is created after 2 or 3 years max.

But i also think Neel's statement was really inappropriate because it will only spread hysteria and uncertainty towards millions of jobless Americans.

I disagree with them. Why are they opposed to the only solution or way to prevent viruses? The massive lockdown was implemented in areas where there were infected people to prevent it from spreading. Then they say it's a mistake and it's dangerous. I don't think so, because, without a lockdown, we would probably be much worse off than we are today.
Even at home, you can still do what you used to do like expose sunlight every morning to windows, exercise, jogging, or walking ... Eat vegetables and fruits, be hydrated to keep your immune system strong. Let's just think about the good side of this lockdown and not worry about it.

Simple, standard understanding of the way viruses and bacteria work, shows us that we need to remain OUT OF lockdown, so that our immune systems can do their job effectively. Hit the beach.


Two Heroic Southern California Doctors Explain Why the Lockdowns are a Mistake




Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing, Pt. 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6j7o1pLBw


Here is the first part - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU.

Do these thousands of other websites have the names and addresses of doctors who are willing to get on the stand and explain to the world how they can tell the difference between Covid-19 and SARS, with pictures, and evidence that this is what they did with patients... patients whose names and lab-work are available?... and a whole lot more?

How do we know that these thousands of websites are saying anything other than science fiction at their base and core, even if they use some things that are factual in their processes?

Since there are thousands, perhaps you could show us a few... not thousands, or even hundreds, but just a measly dozen, okay?... with proof that they aren't manipulating the data for their own purposes.

the 5 websites you view have no proof. i agree
but the thousands of other websites. the labs. the hospitals. the doctors and the experts do have proof

your lack of ability to do research does not mean there is no proof at all. it just means YOU refuse to look for proof in places where proof is found

try to actually research away from them 5 websites you frequent. you might surprise yourself

and before you start down your silly path of scripts which are predictable now
you do not need a court case to establish proof.
showing secondary sourced information that when scrutinised and checked verifies what is said. can be used as proof

showing secondary sourced info but lacking scrutinising it or checking it is valid is not proof.

this is why when police ask for a drivers licence. they dont just look at it. they go back to their car and check the details and see if it matches their records.

its why cops dont just smell someones breath for alcohol. but use a breathalyser
its why cops dont just see a car driving fast but use a speed gun to find actual speed

yep i predicted you would go down the 'court proof' script.. because thats your default rebuttal. but its a shame that months ago when you got debunked before that you didnt wise up and learn from that

But it wasn't always this way. So, at this point we don't have proof one way or the other. Are you getting proof? What is your proof? Since there never was CV proof, why are we shutting down?

things to note
restaurants and hairdressers are CLOSED so ofcourse right now there would be no cases of transmission in the.  this is about no one being in them

this does not make hairdressers/restaurants immune/magic zones should the open. it just means no transmissions YET

adding on to the emphasise the word YET
the area surveyed only had ~1,400 confirmed cases out of approximate population of 250,000
thats 0.5% of people have had it

so remember folks. if you think things are bad now. multiply it by 100 and thats how it will be with ~50% having it

Mr Streeck is a professor for virology and the director of the Institute of virology and HIV Research at the University Bonn
“So far, no transmission of the virus in supermarkets, restaurants or hairdressers has been proved.”
https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1498185.html

Nurse, virus is a lie
https://youtu.be/DiPIwMT4lPs

'Bout time somebody has a good idea for testing the Government people... on a regular basis.


Bureaucrats want to monitor our ANTIBODIES; we should test THEIR blood for drugs - https://www.brighteon.com/5c0f6f1f-a96a-42fe-89ab-bd690d3b292a

That's too bad, too long. Over a year. But that doesn't mean it's confirmed or will happen. Do I think there's an antidote? Not yet?
What about those who lost their jobs? They may not be able to cope with the lockdown. Others say that humans do not die from the virus, but rather by starvation. They might even eat toilet paper, just kidding.
The longer it lasts, the more the economy will collapse.

No need for lockdowns at all. The whole pandemic is fraudulent.


Results From New Stanford Study Indicates COVID-19 Death Rates in Line With the Flu

I think we should always all follow this lockdown  it'll be good for us. If an individual is infected with this virus  if he disobeys the lockdown  then ten more people are going to be exposed thereto. For this reason one should observe a lockdown for self-awareness we'll be ready to cure it very quickly.

It really is irresponsible, you don't announce something that will create a negative impact and panic among the people, they should address the issue in a case to case and on a day to day basis, you cannot project something negatively and cause fear among your people, I think he should be fire for such an announcement, any government doesn't deserve this kind of official.

Once people recognize that Covid-19 is only the activator for the stuff that has been injected into them through flu shots, they will be ready to come out a whole lot faster than the plan outlined below.


Kellyanne Conway breaks down Trump's plan to reopen America




Kellyanne Conway breaks down Trump's plan to reopen America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y66L4xeuj-I

I know several friends who live in Michigan, and they started having serious protests recently. We will soon see if this spreads to states with Governors who did not close down as extremely as Michigan has.

Again, one of the best places to go to get questions answered in an irrefutable way, is The Highwire at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6oOuhSx7ESreh6m9LGy6Q/videos. Why irrefutable? Because they provide links to their evidence, and videos of what authorities are saying, plus their own observations with questions that aren't being answered.

The lockdowns are widely unpopular and are likely to end up killing far many more people than would have died even under the most pessimistic (now proven unreliable) models.

I would guess voters from both sides of the isle will vote to lift the lockdowns by voting for those who are in favor of lifting them.

again badecker not researching the context and understanding the number of the seattle field hospital thing

so today 250- beds of 350 beds are full..
with isolation and a reduced transmission rate of say 1.3
192 last week
147 previous week
113 previous week.

what badecker doesnt realise is without isolation the transmission rate would have been 2.6~
which would have been 113 to 295 in just a week without isolation
(actual data.. of 1 week in one seattle county total new cases over 9th10th11th March=13)
(actual data.. of 1 week in one seattle county total new cases over 17th18th19th March=39)
so in this one example the rate before isolation was 3x for the week
now take numbers of during isolation
(actual data.. of 1 week in one seattle county total new cases over 25th26th27th April=125)
(actual data.. of 1 week in one seattle county total new cases over 1st2nd3rd April=202)
so with isolation that became 1.6 for the week

as you can see there is a difference

thus its not that the virus is not dangerous spread. its that isolation has worked and in seattle they seen it curb the spread,

however if they got it down from yesterdays 250.. which will take a week to discharge current patients and then have less being admitted in between could be a month or two.

if the just removed all isolation restrictions with say 50 left infectious. the following week is 130. and the week after is 338
thus needing then 878 this needing the field hospital AGAIN 3 weeks later

badecker keeps forgetting the isolation is not the virus. the isolation is to stall/delay/curb the spread.
but how much infected people are still roaming around will determine when to relax the lockdown.
and to lower it below a 2.6 multiple things like social distancing will still be in play
because even a 2x brings a 50 to 100 to 200 to 400 giving an extra week of prep time
if they can get it to 25 infected left that gives another week.

the aim is to try and get it to where people are only really touching/contaminating as close to 1 as they can without needing to be on a full lockdown measure..
but this can only happen if idiots dont go round randomly hugging and licking faces of other people as some kind of dry humping expression that they think its all over

The interesting thing to watch for is whether it will be predominantly liberals or conservatives that vote for the lockdowns to be lifted.

We are having an election in a few months. I would predict that those who instituted the most strict lockdowns will be voted out of office for the most part. There are starting to have some protests calling for the lockdowns to be lifted. If the lockdowns remain in September/October, people will run on a platform of lifting the lockdowns and will likely win in a landslide.

Don't expect the lockdown to last much longer. Check the links at the site.


Army's Seattle Field Hospital Closed After 3 Days, Without Seeing A Single Patient

18 month lockdown? sounds good, western society is healing itself through corona, since all the mass festivals will disappear and people are busy more with recreational activities

Even 10 years from now it will not be the same as it was last year. Wold has changed. But that dont mean that anywhere in the world we will see a total lock down that will last for 18 months. Countries already adapt to live with virus. And they will adapt even more. With preventing spread of virus and with expanding number of hospital beds. Vaccine will be here much earlier then in 18 months.  Lock downs cost countries way to much to not focus 100% to get vaccine as fast as possible. 

An 18 month continuous shutdown is pointless. The article does refer to rolling shutdowns, which makes more sense.

As there is no current vaccine, strategies are just based on 'flattening the curve' - i.e., keeping the rate of new infections below the maximum capacity of the healthcare system. Once the current shutdown has continued for long enough so that the peak has passed and the medical professionals can cope with demand, then it makes sense for the lockdown to be lifted for a period of time.
After this, once infection rates start to creep up again, another lockdown can be put in place to keep the curve within manageable levels. And so on.

You would expect that the initial lockdown - the current one - is the biggest and longest. So long as the guidance is sufficiently clear and the rules strong enough to slow the rate of new cases, then it should be safe to lift restrictions once that peak has passed. The crucial thing is keeping the R₀ below 1 - so that each new infected person infects on average less than 1 other person.

If people start talking about 18 month lockdowns, I don't think there's any way it can be continuous. If after a few weeks you are not seeing a big reduction in new cases, then it means your restrictions are not tight enough, so you strengthen them, and look again in another couple of weeks. 18 months is not required. The cumulative economic damage from a lengthy shutdown means that every government faced with this choice will implement stricter lockdown terms.

Economies around the world are likely to re-open gradually and cautiously, certain types of shops and businesses first, followed by others. You can bet that everyone will take it seriously from now on, and any subsequent lockdown will likely be shorter than this initial one.

As for a vaccine - the standard response seems to be 12-18 months as a minimum, but there are things that can be done to speed this up, such as running human trials early. Obviously there is a risk attached, and any volunteers will have to be well aware of this, but I think it's not necessarily the case that we'll have to wait a year.

Then we'll be trading lite coin for beer in those black markets.

Yeah I agree with @Spendulus, 18 months is really long time. I can't imagine if US really implemented that's regulation, there will be bad and long economic crisis in the world, not only US.

And maybe dollar will be worthless since US will do money printing to pay the corona crisis and debt.

That's impossible. In the US, after a while and regardless of laws or edicts, people will just go back to their normal lives.

If businesses remain closed, huge black markets will develop.

Neel Kashkari, the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, feels that US is going to be locked for 18 months unless a miracle drug is discovered to stop coronavirus from spreading ahead. While I do understand his point of view, but I feel that such a statement is reckless and unnecessary as it’ll only create more panic among the people. Furthermore it’s speculated that some 16 million jobs have already lost their jobs in the US, hence it’s not possible to keep economy closed for so long.

Source:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-should-be-ready-for-18-months-of-shutdowns-in-long-hard-road-ahead-warns-the-feds-neel-kashkari-2020-04-12