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Quote from: Charlie Prime on June 02, 2014, 03:56:08 PM

I've noticed older people tend to be more brainwashed.
I tell my old hippie friends that the U.S. runs Al Qaeda. They say that's crazy, because they consume only mainstream propaganda like NPR, MSNBC, PBS, etc.
My young friends who don't own a television say: "Meh. Figures.".

Older people are less likely to gather information from Social media sites such as Twitter and Blogs. They tend to depend more on the mainstream TV channels, such as Faux News. So, it is not surprising at all. Grin

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on June 08, 2014, 10:32:06 AM

I wish they cared, but they don't see any way to change the System.

They don't know this is by design.

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I wish they cared, but they don't see any way to change the System.

They don't know this is by design.

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on June 02, 2014, 03:56:08 PM

I've noticed older people tend to be more brainwashed.

I tell my old hippie friends that the U.S. runs Al Qaeda. They say that's crazy, because they consume only mainstream propaganda like NPR, MSNBC, PBS, etc.

My young friends who don't own a television say: "Meh. Figures.".

that's not enough

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I've noticed older people tend to be more brainwashed.

I tell my old hippie friends that the U.S. runs Al Qaeda. They say that's crazy, because they consume only mainstream propaganda like NPR, MSNBC, PBS, etc.

My young friends who don't own a television say: "Meh. Figures.".

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Quote from: crysissymptom on June 02, 2014, 01:52:18 PM

Im surprised ther's no public outcry over support of rebels with al qaeda elements.

There is a lot of outcry in the Europe and the rest of the world about CIA and NATO providing support for groups affiliated with the Al Qaeda. But the American public remains too much brainwashed to notice any of it.

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Im surprised ther's no public outcry over support of rebels with al qaeda elements.

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Quote from: nickenburg on June 02, 2014, 11:14:19 AM

Yes Russia has enough money, they have no debt to the rothchild bankers, so they dont have to pay any interest.
Also they sell gas and oil to the world, and Russia doesnt have money?
And look at America they are in debt look here: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
They are doing wars with borrowed money, and it's only getting more so they also have to pay more interest!

America is a net importer of oil and gas, while Russia is a net exporter. That helps to reduce the public debt, especially when oil hovers above $100 a barrel. Also, the American war machine consumes almost 10 times the funding for the Russian defence budget every year.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on June 02, 2014, 10:47:30 AM

Quote from: GTA on June 02, 2014, 09:09:13 AM

Where is Russia going to take this sum to give it to Syria? They don't have money now

Oh? Please explain.

Yes Russia has enough money, they have no debt to the rothchild bankers, so they dont have to pay any interest.
Also they sell gas and oil to the world, and Russia doesnt have money?
And look at America they are in debt look here: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
They are doing wars with borrowed money, and it's only getting more so they also have to pay more interest!

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Quote from: GTA on June 02, 2014, 09:09:13 AM

Where is Russia going to take this sum to give it to Syria? They don't have money now

Oh? Please explain.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 01, 2014, 10:56:39 PM

Here is the full documentary video from PBS / Frontline, if anyone is interested.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/syria-arming-the-rebels/

Total propaganda because:

- It tries to make the rebels out to be "moderate", ie. NOT Al Qaeda (while they shout Allahu Akbar! in the videos, that's how stupid they know Americans television viewers are.)

- It's from PBS.

- Jewish Zionist U.S. Ambassador Frederick Hoff tells viewers how awful it is the U.S. doesn't give them more weapons.

- In the end, it laments the fact that the U.S. hasn't been able to give Al Qaeda shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles.

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A map detailing the situation in Syria.

https://pietervanostaeyen.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/20140602-000619.jpg

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Where is Russia going to take this sum to give it to Syria? They don't have money now

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On a related topic:

ISIL kills 102-year-old Syrian man in Alawite massacre – report
http://rt.com/news/162964-isil-syria-alawite-killed/

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“They are not freedom fighters. They are terrorists. We, the Syrian people now experience beheadings, crucifixions, beatings, murders, outdated methods of treating women, an obsolete approach to governing society. Many who participate in these activities are British,” Free Syrian Army’s Brigadier-General Abdulellah Basheer wrote in a letter to The Times.

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J Faltin 02.06.2014 07:24

ISIL is amongst the people that are supposed to get more weapons from the US. If not these killers will behead competing militias for the US supplied arms.
Finally just like the French shooter in Brussels they will come back to Europe and start killing Europeans and Jews.
But that is not a worry nor a problem for the USA who sits safely across the pacific.
Anything to mess up the European social system and economy by flooding it with millions of refugees makes it easier for the US gov to make the EU a subservient economic franchise basketcase.
The bigger the mess in Europe the better for US business which cant compete

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Here is the full documentary video from PBS / Frontline, if anyone is interested.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/syria-arming-the-rebels/

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Quote from: vokain on June 01, 2014, 02:55:59 PM

Where does the CIA fall in the line of overall command?

Technically, it's part of the Executive Branch of the United States Government, under command of the President, with a moral duty to follow U.S. law.

In reality, it has always been under the command of the trans-national bankers who created it decades ago, lawless, and immoral.

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Quote from: kuroman on May 31, 2014, 06:44:45 PM

isn't the same for the US, UK ... ect that been doing this on a whole other level, there are just new comers in the geopolitical game and as an US ally, Taliban wasn't financed and formed thanks to CIA and the USA, ect ect, and even today they are just following the steps made by the US and other western countries in Syria, today, you can sense from media that our western countries are taking a step back but is it really the case? if you check the media from last year you can see that they were official statements even pushing to finance and train "the population that was fighting for freedom"

Although the CIA don't want to support the terrorist organizations, they are doing it in order to capture the natural resources. Just look at what happened in Libya and Iraq. Secular governments were brought down by the CIA, with the help of hard-line Islamists. If the CIA only cares about the freedom fighters, then why capture all the oil rigs and give them to American corporations?

Where does the CIA fall in the line of overall command?

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Quote from: kuroman on May 31, 2014, 06:44:45 PM

isn't the same for the US, UK ... ect that been doing this on a whole other level, there are just new comers in the geopolitical game and as an US ally, Taliban wasn't financed and formed thanks to CIA and the USA, ect ect, and even today they are just following the steps made by the US and other western countries in Syria, today, you can sense from media that our western countries are taking a step back but is it really the case? if you check the media from last year you can see that they were official statements even pushing to finance and train "the population that was fighting for freedom"

Although the CIA don't want to support the terrorist organizations, they are doing it in order to capture the natural resources. Just look at what happened in Libya and Iraq. Secular governments were brought down by the CIA, with the help of hard-line Islamists. If the CIA only cares about the freedom fighters, then why capture all the oil rigs and give them to American corporations?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 30, 2014, 09:48:05 PM

Quote from: Nathonas on May 30, 2014, 03:57:58 PM

What's even more disturbing is their links with these hyper-rich Arabian countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar - countries that not only have horrible human rights abuses but are likely involved in real terrorism (the kind that blow up buildings with thousands of people, not the kind your politicians talk about these days).

Saudi Arabia and Qatar have been funding various extremist organisations around the globe for many decades now. They are creating ethnic tension in every nook and corner of the world. Even countries such as Indonesia and Thailand, which were previously peaceful has become terrorism hotbeds thanks to their unlimited funding of terrorist organisations. The recent actions by the US government, to discourage the purchase of the Russian pipeline gas, and attempts to replace it with the Qatari LNG is going to make actions worse.

isn't the same for the US, UK ... ect that been doing this on a whole other level, there are just new comers in the geopolitical game and as an US ally, Taliban wasn't financed and formed thanks to CIA and the USA, ect ect, and even today they are just following the steps made by the US and other western countries in Syria, today, you can sense from media that our western countries are taking a step back but is it really the case? if you check the media from last year you can see that they were official statements even pushing to finance and train "the population that was fighting for freedom"

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Quote from: Nathonas on May 30, 2014, 03:57:58 PM

What's even more disturbing is their links with these hyper-rich Arabian countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar - countries that not only have horrible human rights abuses but are likely involved in real terrorism (the kind that blow up buildings with thousands of people, not the kind your politicians talk about these days).

Saudi Arabia and Qatar have been funding various extremist organisations around the globe for many decades now. They are creating ethnic tension in every nook and corner of the world. Even countries such as Indonesia and Thailand, which were previously peaceful has become terrorism hotbeds thanks to their unlimited funding of terrorist organisations. The recent actions by the US government, to discourage the purchase of the Russian pipeline gas, and attempts to replace it with the Qatari LNG is going to make actions worse.

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Quote from: Nathonas on May 30, 2014, 03:57:58 PM

This kind of news never ever will see the light of day on mainstream American media. So sad. The US has been doing this shit for DECADES! They're probably involved in Ukraine as well. What's even more disturbing is their links with these hyper-rich Arabian countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar - countries that not only have horrible human rights abuses but are likely involved in real terrorism (the kind that blow up buildings with thousands of people, not the kind your politicians talk about these days).

In fact you'll see the opposite on US media, as for Qatar and Saudi Arabia, being involved in terrorism no it's not the case, as for human rights, they are some bad points but overall they are okeyish in comparison to really oppressive countries, here the big deal is geopolitical, Syria and Iran has strong ties, (Shiaa) and and Saudi Arabia Qatar, UAE ... are (Sunnit) and they are more or less enemies

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This kind of news never ever will see the light of day on mainstream American media. So sad. The US has been doing this shit for DECADES! They're probably involved in Ukraine as well. What's even more disturbing is their links with these hyper-rich Arabian countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar - countries that not only have horrible human rights abuses but are likely involved in real terrorism (the kind that blow up buildings with thousands of people, not the kind your politicians talk about these days).

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Quote from: atc1 on May 30, 2014, 12:46:28 PM

I really hope Syria does not end up as the Afghanistan of the future. As far as I can tell,these dictators are bad,but the Islamists who seem to come to power once a dictator is removed are much worse,and then you won't even have a reason to interfere in that country's affairs.

If the dictators get too much oppressive, then the local population itself will remove them. There is no need for outside interference. I would prefer a dictator to an Islamist as a ruler for any middle-eastern nation. At least the ethnic minorities (such as the Christians, Yazidis, and Mandeans) would be able to live without the threat of abduction and forcible conversion.

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I really hope Syria does not end up as the Afghanistan of the future. As far as I can tell,these dictators are bad,but the Islamists who seem to come to power once a dictator is removed are much worse,and then you won't even have a reason to interfere in that country's affairs.

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The U.S. military is pretty good at ripping off taxpayers, not fighting wars.

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on May 29, 2014, 10:26:08 AM

The U.S. military is specifically designed to soak taxpayers, not fight wars.
During the last 40 years it has consistently excelled at the former, and failed at the later.

Actually the US military is pretty good I think. But going there, quickly winning the war and then get the hell out of there isn't as good business as tinkering there for a couple of years and dropping more stuff on any random shitholes then on Dresden in '45.

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Putin did what was right for balance of power worldwide.Russia naval base is in crimea and there is no way that was gonna go.the plan all along was to weaken russia. i hope that trde between china Asia and Russia grows.just to spite those silly european antics called sanctions.

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Quote from: kuroman on May 29, 2014, 02:56:08 PM

geopolitical interest of both the US and Russia are on the line, Syria is one of the only Russian allies and big customer in the region and the US want them out and want to put a puppet leader to control the country, and the big loser here sadly is the Syrian population .....

that's basically the american business model for the middle east. come in, conquer, set up one of your guys, and the exploit the shit out of the people. i don't support terrorism, but this is part of the reason why there are so many radical extremists who are hell-bent on bombing us. seems like there are generally more muslim kooks than your average religious people, but i bet a lot of the al queda sympathizers are just people who have had their families blown to bits.

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geopolitical interest of both the US and Russia are on the line, Syria is one of the only Russian allies and big customer in the region and the US want them out and want to put a puppet leader to control the country, and the big loser here sadly is the Syrian population .....

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on May 29, 2014, 10:26:08 AM

The U.S. military is specifically designed to soak taxpayers, not fight wars.

The US military budget is more than $600 billion per year, while the number of households in the US is around 75 million. So every household contributes around $8,000 towards the American war machine.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 09:01:27 AM

What happened in Afghanistan is going to be repeated in Syria.

No. Syria has an organized modern military, strong nationalism, and friends. Afghanistan did not.

The U.S. military is specifically designed to soak taxpayers, not fight wars.

During the last 40 years it has consistently excelled at the former, and failed at the later.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 29, 2014, 12:15:53 AM

Quote from: beetcoin on May 28, 2014, 04:28:28 PM

these days, i don't even have CNN or any news network anymore. i get my news mainly from the daily show and reddit.. it's much more honest news that is interested in the important world events.

It is true that the puppet news channels (such as the BBC and the CNN) are losing viewership all around the world, with the rise of more neutral media such as Russia Today and Al Jazeera. Also, social media such as reddit is getting more and more important now.

The internet has really democratized information. I am old enough to remember only getting news about the world from the big three networks and the AP. Now we have the ability to talk to people all around the world and avoid the filtering. Bloggers and social media are filling the watchdog role that the traditional media sources abandoned long ago.

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Quote from: beetcoin on May 28, 2014, 04:28:28 PM

these days, i don't even have CNN or any news network anymore. i get my news mainly from the daily show and reddit.. it's much more honest news that is interested in the important world events.

It is true that the puppet news channels (such as the BBC and the CNN) are losing viewership all around the world, with the rise of more neutral media such as Russia Today and Al Jazeera. Also, social media such as reddit is getting more and more important now.

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Quote from: validium on May 28, 2014, 10:47:29 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 09:01:27 AM

What happened in Afghanistan is going to be repeated in Syria.

True its only a matter of time.

Quote from: beetcoin on May 28, 2014, 03:52:00 AM

i don't know what's going on in syria anymore either.. our news/media outlets don't really do a good job keeping up with it. probably because they want to cover the things that people truly care about, like what new hairstyle jennifer lawrence has.

Thats why i stick with RT dont expect cnn or bbc to post anything about the syrian war.

these days, i don't even have CNN or any news network anymore. i get my news mainly from the daily show and reddit.. it's much more honest news that is interested in the important world events.

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I saw that episode last night. Very well done and researched. The new part was about the TOW training. That has been rumored for a while, but this is the first real report from the area.

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This might just be a conspiracy theory. You can never fully trust media sources, you'll have to check and see for yourself. Although it is a luxury to have a freedom of media, this can be abused. We have seen this multiple times already.

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Quote from: validium on May 28, 2014, 10:47:29 AM

Thats why i stick with RT dont expect cnn or bbc to post anything about the syrian war.

A few months ago, when the rebels appeared to be winning the battle against Assad's forces, the BBC and CNN were covering the events 24 x 7. But now, the pro-NATO forces have suffered a series of setbacks. The FSA and ISIS have been confined to parts of Damascus and some remote pockets in the East. And that explains the increased coverage by RT. Grin

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 09:01:27 AM

What happened in Afghanistan is going to be repeated in Syria.

True its only a matter of time.

Quote from: beetcoin on May 28, 2014, 03:52:00 AM

i don't know what's going on in syria anymore either.. our news/media outlets don't really do a good job keeping up with it. probably because they want to cover the things that people truly care about, like what new hairstyle jennifer lawrence has.

Thats why i stick with RT dont expect cnn or bbc to post anything about the syrian war.

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Whether knowingly or unknowingly, the US is training dozens of fighters affiliated with the ISIS. I agree with sana8410 and Snail2. What happened in Afghanistan is going to be repeated in Syria.

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I'm not surprised. U.S Also supported Bin Laden back in the days. When he refused to take orders from U.S, he was eliminated as quickly as possible, or maybe got a new identity, we never saw the body.

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They did the same in Afghanistan back in the eighties. It's always good to have a bunch of terrorists on your paylist if you have to secure some oil/gas fields, pipelines or blow up something for restrict the rights of your own citizens and silence your opposition.

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Asymmetric information warfare at played as well.

The goal is to confuse the population long enough to achieve the objective.

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i don't know what's going on in syria anymore either.. our news/media outlets don't really do a good job keeping up with it. probably because they want to cover the things that people truly care about, like what new hairstyle jennifer lawrence has.

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I only followed the beginning of the Syrian war, which looked identical to the Tunis/Libya/Egypt destabilisation operations.
There lived (lives) a large Russian community in Syria, and reports from them was that the conflict was imported, that residents were actually looking to the army for protection from the attacks, hoping for a quick resolution.

I don't know where it all spiralled to nowadays...

(Speaking of Libya)

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so how do people around here feel about this? i know most here hate the government's involvement in wars.. but what if the assad is just a really bad dude who doesn't care for human life?

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US trains Syrian rebels in Qatar to ‘ambush' soldiers and 'finish off' the wounded – report
http://rt.com/news/161820-us-trains-syrian-rebels/

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At a secret base in Qatar, the US military is training rebels to raid Syrian government troops and vehicles, as well as to “finish off the soldiers still alive after an ambush,” first-hand interviews in a Frontline documentary have revealed.

The documentary, scheduled to air Tuesday night on PBS stations, offers rare insight into how Washington is fostering the armed insurgency against Syrian President Bashar Assad.

In related news, Russia is going to give Syria €240 million donation for social needs and rebuilding.
http://www.bfm.ru/news/259493

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