Topic: US warns India over oil deal with Russia (Read 737 times)

USA wants to have control over everything and every country that is believed to go high above USA in the future. Though it is a tedious task, few countries have got the ability and one amongst is India. India already have good relation with Russia, so it is continuing its oil and gas trade. Now sanctions are effective and European countries are in need of oil and gas. Why can't USA warn European countries to boycott oil and gas from Russia, but they're warning Russia for accepting payments in Rubles. So, they take different stand based on situation which isn't good for a country like USA.

I understand that the USA wants to dominate absolutely everything, if an ant happens that they determine they have control over, I think that if India wants to buy from Russia or wherever they are free to do so, isn't it that they preach having all the freedoms? Sometimes a system is not based on just paying attention to what a nation says, but what a country really needs, if you need oil, gas and it is cheap, why not do it? Sometimes this is the kind of thing that many do not understand, the fact that they buy or do not buy from Russia, Putin will continue with the invasion, more so now that they are in need of more oil and gas in Europe.

You are right, but this is a problem that has a lot to do with politics, in fact the problem they have with Russia is Geo-political, the USA has a classic style of hegemony since the Second World War, they want to control absolutely everything, and This is something that has global support, the UN, IMF, World Bank, NATO as well as all the renowned organizations that everyone is so afraid of, respect, they are the ones that will always manage the world, that is why it is easier for them Dominate these countries with sanctions to force them to do what they want, even though it means buying cheaper.

It’s was good catch mate.India should changed his view towards the Russia.Because India had a long term with Russia.Their was a myth of IND-Russia was Natural friends.Even in the India wars,Russia stand for India.Which includes Indo-Pakistan and Indo-China.

If something done could help a nation get better and richer, they should not worry about the threat of other nations and just focus on getting richer. There is no sanctions against India, there are sanctions against Russia, which means that Russia can't deal with the west, but India can deal with Russia.

So, all these empty threats means nothing in the face of betterment of a nation. I hate Russia as much as the next guy, Russia is a terrible nation and Putin is a horrible dictator, he is Hitler 2.0 for sure and I hope he is deposed very soon. But if it means that my nation will get richer and better economy if we deal with them, then I would definitely try to do my best to do that.

China and India, now, using the current situation, are buying up oil from Russia for next to nothing. On the one hand, financing the Kremlin's terrorist regime is evil. On the other hand, Western countries ... buy oil and gas themselves, acting as a sponsor of that very terrorism. Both China and India, quite legitimately, can ask the question "why shouldn't we buy oil on very favorable terms, why are we worse than you"?


Concerning the friendship of India and China. Most recently, there was an official visit of a Chinese delegation to China, where China suggested that, in the current situation, the largest regional players India and China "unite" in order to strengthen their position and resolve issues more efficiently. To which India very unequivocally replied "China - go home, we will not unite, because you do not recognize our territories in Tibet, you illegally occupy territories. Until these problems are resolved, there can be no associations"

right, it would be worse if the neighbors moved away from us. This can be thought logically, where if we cooperate with the nearest country, it will certainly save costs, and from that it will affect all aspects of the economy. The US certainly will not stop looking for ways to weaken it, even European countries are looking for ways to reduce oil dependence on Russia. while india is willing to accept with special discount, i think this is logical, if you get a cheap price, and we know india and china are good friends with russia

India is now a country that is very dependent on Russia for oil supply, if India stops supply from Russia it will be a serious problem so that it can make India's economy chaotic, especially India is very difficult to get supplies from Arab countries so it is certain that India will not comply with the USA.

In a weeks time the trade on rupee - ruble trade confirmation will be done. This will help India spend less for the imports against the usage of dollar. The rupee - ruble trade mechanism will help lot of Indian firms to make businesses with ease. Maybe this can affect the relationship of Western Nations with India due to the trade. Some say India is selfish, but every country on its own tries to benefit. India too doing the same while USA is making it an opportunity to make them more powerful.

India and Russia Could Have a Rupee-Ruble Trade Agreement Early Next Week

I have to say it depends on the geography of where you are as well. I can understand India because I highly doubt that west would be working hard to bring in oil and gas to India all the way from Europe. However, Serbia is a bit closer which means that if they really wanted to and liked, they could have gotten some stuff from them. West will figure out a way to live with independent energy, without needing Russia, that seems to be their future and they are forced that path.

If Serbia wants to, they could go with the same route and try to fix what we are living right now and would not be depending on Russia anymore. Depending on any nation is bad enough anyway, certainly worse if you have neighbors that are getting away from you.

At first when I read it, it sounded laughable to me that USA sanctions should deter another independent and sovereign nation from making decisions of theirs. If it's India that sanctioned Russia will the USA cease from dealing with Russia on issues that are in their national interest?
Like you rightly said, it's a NO NOthing to war for me in any part of the world, but the USA shouldn't make themselves feel like they control the world, like this is 21st century for crying out loud.

My country, Serbia, is sitting on both chairs as well! I don't think it's so much about selfishness, but about the fact that some countries have to cooperate with the Russians if they don't want to run out of resources! Simply, if they cut ties with Russia, there would be chaos in some countries! People would be left without jobs, without the energy needed for the industry to work, which would lead to many big problems! Germany and France are also countries that are on the sidelines, they have imposed some sanctions but they are still trading with the Russians, they are aware that they can't work without them!
There is another important factor and that is money! As in many other countries, the Russians have a lot of investments in my country as well, huge investments, with that money they probably keep some (many) people under their control! It is simple, big states use money and resources to impose control in all parts of the world! It's not difficult to see which country has more influence in a specific country if you read the current news a little, in the propaganda they use to justify what they are doing you can immediately see which side a country is leaning towards!

Well, US always steps in if there are countries that are going to keep on buying oil from Russia. They should just let these countries do their own thing since they can't even control Russia.
Why put their aim at those countries like India if they are buying oil from Russia? They want to control the oil supply and demand in the market? It's cheaper to go directly to them than the world market.

Turkey and Hungary are playing both sides. Hungary takes money from the EU but doesn't want to impose the same sanctions as the EU, so it's supportive as long as it can leech some profit.
Turkish drones are one of the biggest threats to Russian vehicles in Ukraine and Turkey did not allow Russian military ships to enter The Black Sea so it doesn't seem to support Russia in the war but also wants to keep trading with them. If the whole world would cut ties with Russia they would have to give up and move out of Ukraine but since there's so many selfish countries who want to play both teams we are where we are.

Because US won't care about those countries, what they most want now is to find a way to drown Russia forever. Russia and China are two great powers threatening their global dominance and they know well that this is an opportunity that won't come twice. So they have to use all tricks and brute force to force others to do what they say.

They think putting discounts will make other countries do a risky move and buy it but I don't think India will do it because the USA already warned them and if they will still do it, bad things can only happen to them. We should not put the blame to USA but USA only did it for a reason and it can be part of the sanction given by Russia. They are not controlling other countries or what, but we only think they are.

I think the problem is with us, we immediately judge them without knowing what really happens. There are still other sources for oil, not only Russia or India but the only problem is that its too limited, that drives the price of the oil to sky rocket more evenly.

India and China are not the only countries that are against imposing sanctions on Russia! Hungary and Turkey also continue to import oil and gas from Russia, the presidents of both countries said they do not want their nations (millions of people) to freeze next winter, they do not want all these people and their families to lose their jobs and bread! In addition, Turkey has allowed Russian oligarchs to park their yachts and planes in their country and that they can be there and do their jobs as long as they respect the laws of Turkey!
As some analysts say, new world order is being created, and now all countries are taking their own position! When it's all over, it will be important who supported what and who was against whom!

I can say that there is no problem for India in buying Russian oil as it doesn’t violate the Western sanctions. However, providing or assisting Russia with weapons is going to be an entirely different story. If you look at China, Russia is “asking” them for assistance in military equipment, etc., in which raised the concerns of US president Joe Biden and may impose sanctions if China does help Russia in military stuff.

Of course, India knows which priority must be prioritized, as we know that India is very dependent on oil and gas supplies from Russia so that if they stop their oil business with Russia, it will certainly cause more complicated problems and of course the USA warning will be ignored by India.

Geopolitics is creating consequences in its corridors, America's nature is to create dependence on the US dollar and reverse other risks.  They are trying to open the door of doubt for India if they want to buy discount Russian oil.  This makes it difficult for consumers in the face of an unstable economic situation and rising inflation.  From a consumer perspective, I would definitely want to buy cheaper to save costs and that I think the Indian government is right in wanting the best for their citizens compared to the price of liquefied oil of America.
In addition, India is the second most populous country in the world, surely having cheaper oil will save huge economic resources for them.

I think its because Biden wants the whole Europe to suffer but in the end we are all affected to it , imagine the prices now are really high and those who are earning minimum having difficulty of buying their own food. On the other hand the india would really buy if it has discounts as you can see the price of oil is not that affordable now so even my self i would really buy it

I do not understand the actions of the United States from the logical side. They want to completely abandon all energy raw materials and force the rest of the world to do it. This is a very strong blow to the economies of these countries, for many it is a death sentence. I don’t understand why Biden dictates such conditions to the whole of Europe?

Trading sanction with Russia is increasingly massively enacted USA and Europe, of course the main purpose of suppressing so that Russia is getting weaker, India is a big country that has a great collaboration and dependence with Russia, especially relations with neighbors such as Pakistan and China increasingly difficult to make India need Russia Securing a position in the area, of course the prohibition of cooperation with Russia will have a serious impact in the future.

Why would India give a fuck about US sanctions? The US should stop believing that everybody should take orders from them. If India sees a good deal, they will take it just like China does. Why don't they warn China anyhow? Is it because China is not the weakling which US can bully freely?

While the oil prices are going $120+ in the western sphere of the world, India/China and others enjoy them cheap Russian oil thanks to the US.

The latest warning given by USA on weapon trade. India is the largest importing country from Russia. During the year 2017-2021 it was found to be 46% whereas with other countries it constitutes about 27.3% and with USA it is just 12.1%. During the year 2021 India tops the import list on weapons, and it is about 17.2%. Now USA have imposed heavy sanctions over Russia. By the time countries that import weapons will also be imposed with specific sanctions.

India has a great bond and dependence on Russian gas, this is because India is difficult to buy gas directly from the Arab countries for many reasons, in addition India also has a problem with China so that India's biggest expectations are Russia, if the USA prohibits relating to Russia, of course raises more complicated problems.

Some of the Indian importers, such as Reliance have announced that they won't be buying crude from Russia. These companies have significant exposure in the United States and if they import Russian commodities, then they may come under counter-sanctions. However the government-owned refineries and importers are continuing to import produce from Russia, although in smaller quantities. So it looks as if the US sanctions do have some impact, even in India. And right now Brent crude is trading at $116 per barrel. If the prices remain at this level, a lot of oil consuming nations will go bankrupt.

The bad thing about the US government is that they really want to control other countries and if it is related to the opposing country then warnings and even severe sanctions will be given to the country they feel is under their control, now they are trying it on india.  Russia-Ukraine war should not affect global trade, because many other countries need each other, especially oil.

Well, In the past India reached out to USA many times but they denied any assistance every single time. Not to mention USA provided tons of weapons to Pakistan which were used against India. Just to give you one small example, during 1999 Kargil war USA even refused to share GPS data to the Indians because they were in bed with the Pakistan.

And recently Indians also saw how USA-UK easily agreed to share Subs with the Australia, although Indians don't mind that because IND-AUS are buddies but compare this AUKUS deal with India's request in the past. At that time USA literally laughed at Indians and it came out as " You're not white enough". And guess which country agreed to help India? It was Russia.

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For Non-Indians this might be a shocking news but i like to believe majority of Indian posters are already aware of this, after all we're big importer of oil and its major issue for almost everyone. One of the major reason Indians are calling out hypocrisy of the western commentators, media outlets or in some cases Parliamentarians.

Well-constructed. If not every country would follow the restrictions set regarding the permission about buying and selling to Russia, the imposed embargo would just be futile. Maybe it isn't just on news, but perhaps there are still some countries bypassing the memo brought down regarding it. I'm guessing they are doing it secretly because after all, they know the repercussions that come with it if the world will know about the transactions.

It's frustrating to know that there are countries like these, but I can't totally blame them if they see an opportunity to buy some in much cheaper price compared to the other countries selling right now such as oil. I just hope it won't be as massive because what would be the sanctions for, right?

Report says UK and Germany are still buying oil from Russia, because it's not something they can just cut off immediately due to the ripple effect on economic. India actually have rght to decide their destiny. The war should stop and nations should unit to build Ukraine.

They use thay word so that they can get sympathy from other parts of the world and they want to make their image good like they are a friendly country to all but we know what there agenda and that is to control the other country to gain a benefits with them. Maybe other country should stop patronizing uncle sam and decide what best for them since this will be more better to their country to avoid getting hit by possible crisis that might happen to their country.

My same thought. Big brother is going to get mad with little brother because he was supposed to be also angry with the enemy of his big brother even though it had nothing to do with him. That's insanely dictatorship in a democratic country.  And they say they were the land of the free, eh?
I bet a lot of the supreme whites are now cursing the call center agents when they hear their a bit of that accent.
Well, if US are their biggest consumer of oil then it should not matter. They are hurting them on their own and they are the ones who called the sanction not India.

Hmm...haven't BP or Shall back paddled on their promise of buying OIL from Russia after prices dropped significantly? I mean, India isn't doing anything those companies aren't as well. This seems like bullying from the US, maybe they should have had a more diplomatic relationship with India beforehand and not threaten them so freely. I am not saying that India should be doing this, but pointing a finger of blame is just not good diplomacy.

Countries that have relationships with Russia, of course, will be suppressed by US and Europe so that they do not work with Russia's expectations to immediately stop the war, but the gas supply from Russia is very important for India, especially to find a replacement supplier, of course it takes a long time, of course India will be difficult to obediently with the US because of the high dependence on Russia.

As long as in each of these countries there are still relationships or businesses, the US will not be able to arbitrarily impose sanctions.
the war between Russia and Ukraine really had an impact on many things,
it's really complicated and we don't know what's really going on so just follow the latest news

Lol, you realize what you're saying? Biggest revenue market???


You stopped short of pointing out a really interesting thing. India imports 2% of its oil from Russia, and 8% from the US. nevertheless, one of the few posts that make sense well beyond the national pride that seems to be the only reasoning in others.

And for a lot of people on this topic, this news might come as shock:
Union Minister Hardeep Singh Puri has cleared the air over Russian oil imports. Speaking in Parliament, he said that the government has imported only 0.2% of their requirement from Russia.
and this one:
India's oil imports from US to rise by 11% amid criticism over Russia purchase

I'm definitely waiting for the comeback of all the ones that were so radical on this issue just a few days ago, popcorn time!!!

Even if all the western countries stopped buying oil from Russia still China and India is enough for Russia to export all the goods, also US can't impose sanction on India because it is one of their biggest revenue making industry from Google, Facebook, Microsoft so I don't think there isn't going to be any sanction.

It does not really mean anything, the US wants a certain outcome to happen but they are not willing to offer anything to make it a reality so they are relying on their rhetoric to try to get India to their side, and it seems the government of India does not care and they are taking the pragmatic approach of buying Russian oil and gas for a discount, will future historians judge them for that? I doubt it, and even if they did the effect on the country will be minimal at best.

If it was only about the weapons, they could have spent the same money to USA and get them very easily, hell give all of your Russian weapons to USA who will use it to either destroy them or research them very well, then we would not be able to even see them pay anything for the new weapons, the USA would give it to them for free.

However, it is about not pissing off your neighbors part. I mean think about it, we have seen Europe do literally nothing themselves, just put sanctions and that's it, in a war that is happening literally in Europe right now. Whereas India is far away from the west, if one day Russia gets mad and attacks India because of it, the West nations will not shed a single tear about it for sure.

Not disagreeing with you overall because India-Russia relation goes way back and it's time tested friendship if we check the history books. But want to add few things for more clarity on this topic.

Delhi never use this keyword "Allies" for anyone, instead they use "Strategic partner" which is more appropriate for multipolar world. India desperately want multipolar world not bipolar that's why they try to engage with everyone on diplomacy level and try to balance everything. So far they have been very successful but this is going to tough task in future, although recent QUAD statement which came yesterday is very positive as far as India's position on Russia-Ukraine is concern.

GOI still trying to balance power equation for various reason. Make no mistake Delhi is very pissed at Moscow due to their recent adventure but they can't do much about it for various reasons, mainly due to dependence on weapons (Almost 65% weapons are of Russian origin), although they are diversifying for a quite some time but this is a long and tedious process due to Western block attitude barring France. There is a possibility that situation might change a bit in future (Read QUAD).

And then we already have hot borders with 2 nuclear adversaries. Pissing off 3rd nuclear power doesn't make sense, who happens to be your arm exporter, no matter how much virtual signalling coming from the West because everyone is clear that all they are gonna do is lip service if India is facing 2 front war.

As far as this oil debate goes. India only import 2% of oil from the Russia and even if India increase this share by 7-10% (Which is highly unlikely) I still don't see any sanction on India because last i check there is no ban on Russian oil, traders are not buying it but there is no ban whatsoever. Although if India facilitate this (7-10% oil trade) with Rupee-Ruble then may be, may be situation could get tricky.

I think you are not actually following the news. The USA urges other countries to cut off their business with Russia and India is no exception. They even threaten India to put sanctions if they are not cooperating with them. You are talking about military help for Russia to assist them in the war with Ukraine. I do not think India has that type of capability or guts to assist militarily to a military might like Russia. The only way India could help Russia is by buying Russian oil and gas which the USA warned for.

Joe Biden and Xin Jinping really discussing the Ukraine war situation! when did that happen? I saw Chinese official's statement about supporting Russia and criticizing NATO about their eastern expansion. In terms of military help, I think Russia doesn't need that from china. If there is any country more capable in terms of military might after the USA that is Russia.

Yeah, it's a big problem that there actually is no unity regarding relationship with Russia. Some NATO countries, some European countries are really cutting their ties more and more, while some just don't care that their money is now financing terrorism, quite literally. Germany lost two world wars, but I guess they still didn't learn to choose the right side, unfortunately. And it's even fair that if Germany's okay giving billions of dollars to Russia right now, then India is fine with such things as well. What they don't get is that not cutting ties with Russia is not in their best interests, and that even economically, I'm sure such countries will lose in the end.

They should be and there nothing to be afraid of US especially that they are not small country to be threatened by them. India should do what's best for their country and if this could help to ease the growing inflation happening around the world then they should deal with it, it could also possibly ease the tension towards the crisis happening right now.

In my own opinion, any country including India has to decide what is the best interests of India. India is an independent country and they have the right to take decision. India does not need dictation from the United States.

India should not be jealous with china and they should not copy what china are doing where they continue the transactions from Russia because these two countries are friends and china have no issues with the sanctions but for India? I am not sure of it.

They can say that they are friends with Russia but they can be included on the restricted countries according to the sanctions that is given to Russia. They should not ignore the threats of the USA because if they insist what they are planning then they are going to be the next on the list and they will be awarded by a sanction same with Russia. I do not think they can survive it but Russia can because they are more stronger.

At the end of the day, the government will choose what is best for their country. Because it is their people they are serving here. I understand the sanctions towards Russia. But if they will have penalty for countries who will oppose such sanctions, are they going to carry the burden of India's government, for example? In the end, the government will choose what is best for them. Their citizens need to survive during this pandemic and war crisis. Increasing prices are quite heavy to shoulder by regular people. So they need to weigh things which is best for them.

I think India's stand on this is absolutely correct, they are very good allies with Russia since very long. Now when the whole west has handed over sanctions to Russia, I feel India has been on the side of it's best Ally. But obviously USA wants all the countries to take it's side. I understand that Russia has been aggressive on Ukraine but still the reason Russia is giving is pretty valid.

This is what west wants, Russia is wrong, we all know Russia is wrong and we all know what Russia is doing right now is evil. However west wants everyone around the whole world to stop working with them and helping them get richer. If you keep getting oil from them, you will be getting some sanctions as well, and in that case you will be getting even worse. But if you do not get cheap oil from them, then inflation will be horrible.

Oil is not just for your cars, it increases prices of everything, even your regular food gets higher because all those trucks that get the food from the farms to supermarkets uses fuel. Hence they are saying get worse economically but still decline to work with Russia.

The US is putting pressure on all countries that are buying Russian oil and countries that want to help Russia avoid sanctions from them. US is trying to push the Russian economy into an irreversible abyss.
US president Joe Biden spoke with President Xi Jinping about the ongoing war in Ukraine but are India and China listening to what the US wants?

Iran and Venezuela are said to be two oil suppliers to the US and the world after Saudi Arabia rejected the US offer, but on condition that the US lift all embargoes against those two countries and return all frozen assets.

And bloc do India belong to that has agreed to sanction Russia and could punish India for not doing as agreed? Last I checked it's not in the EU or NATO and the UN hasn't agreed on anything regarding said sanctions.

And seriously, are they asking India to stop buying oil while several EU members are still doing the same?

I have seen in the news lately that India buying oil from Russia isn’t a violation of the Western sanctions, but correct me if I’m wrong though. However, assisting Russia with weapons is a different thing and is a clear violation, in which India is staying away from that.

Lately, both US president Joe Biden and China president Xi Jingping are in a convo discussing about the Ukraine War situation, especially that Russia claims to be asking China for help in providing them military weapons and equipment. US already warned China about that and may face Western sanctions for helping the enemy.

Now US is bracing themselves to find an alternative in buying oil because they have stopped buying Russian oil after these sanctions are made by the Biden administration.

Even though there are threats from America and other powerful countries, India will still carry out transactions with Russia. Actually, India is now in a very difficult position. On the one hand, they are afraid of threats from the NATO countries. Oil is cheap, even though they are threatened by America, India will still buy oil from Russia.

For the government in India, there is no other choice. When the crude oil was trading at $40-$50 per barrel, they increased the taxes and used the tax revenue for various welfare projects. These welfare projects ensured the victory of the ruling party (BJP) during the 2019 general elections. Now the petrol/diesel/natural gas prices have increased in India and there is a lot of popular anger against the government. On top of that, the government is facing a revenue shortfall due to the COVID pandemic.

This is the right time to buy oil and other products from Russia, a great opportunity to cut the price and boost their own economy. How come they would let it slip away, a chance in a lifetime. The country is struggling and you expect them to buy oil at higher prices where there are much cheaper? The thing is it is not just India, there are others too and in European countries are the one should start boycotting first.

This is actually on point but we know that some big countries does really have that kind of supremacy over other countries which turns out that their words will really be ending up like a threat if they

do make out such move which as a leader on a specific country then you would really be that hesitate but its true that this is pertaining on someones economic matters which would really
be beneficial.It is really just that surrounding countries do really look on something transactions which is connected and doesnt look a good one.

China, India and UAE were notable for not voting against Russia resolution and you still think that India is thinking that they can put the blame on Europe especially Germany for getting the oil then you are simplifying the political situation that is ongoing  .

That is politics, if other countries can provide a better deal for the oil be it OPEC or the US they will procure from them, i am no way supporting the right wing government in India but there is a history between India and Russia during a war when US was supporting Pakistan and Russia literally saved India by blocking US in getting involved during the 1971 war. India cannot survive fighting China and Russia, so everything is political and strategical.

 

They said it's not : "illegal"
But at the same time they should also realize that what side they would want to be on when the history books would be written as well. This is what they said , they did not issue a clear cut warning which does mean that there is no way this is going to hurt the whole system but there is a huge chance that US might be ware of the India but at the same time Indians in Ukraine are facing a lot of Racism which is making it harder for the governments to choose the sides in the whole situation, people are getting beaten up as well. I know since I faced the whole situation, Russians are providing fair ground for Indians to escape this situation as well, therefore I do think that the Indian government is quiet at the moment and there seems to be no resolution but they still did send humanitarian aid to Ukraine.

And why not? If this deal goes through, then payment will be made in Russian rubles or Indian rupees. It is beneficial for both countries. These countries need to strengthen their economies and enter the market with their local currency, avoiding the conventional one. If the deal is beneficial for the two countries, then who can stop it?  And if some countries do not give their approval, this will not bother anyone.

India is playing a rather treacherous game in siding with Putin in this war and the politicians of India are taking the country down a dark path. It seems like even China is now starting to regret partnering with Russia because they are so isolated from the most valuable trading economies in the world. The world will always remember this betrayal by India and it is a shame that this supposedly democratic people are not doing more to convince their government to back the right side. There has been zero justification for the invasion of Ukraine and it seems the only thing this country is interested in is profiteering from the blood of innocent people - downright shameful.

I personally expected much more than this from the USA and some other governments, they should support Ukraine more than this. India has been a great oil buyer from all countries all over the world, they probably prefer to buy oil from cheaper oil sellers, for example, they buy oil from Iran and some other countries under sanctions because these countries cannot sell their oil normally, however even if India stops selling oil from Rusia there are many other buyers they will keep trading with Russia like China and some other countries who got relations with Russia.

Yes of course, they will since after all Asian countries don't want to get involve with their sanctions trip like making a vote whose side are you. After all, if this war ended do you think they like what they did to the other country because they choose sides? The way I see it, Asian countries don't want to get involve and just want to mind their own business since they have their own problem with their land. NATO has always been like this since in the past I think it's time they should stop interfering.

Ignore the pressure of the United States, India continues to buy cheap oil from Russia, like China and India have never felt afraid of the threat of NATO ally countries, the proof is that until now they still have very good relations with Russia, I am very sure that India and China will continue to make transactions with Russia. Russia, as long as they benefit..

Russia is the largest oil supply country for India, apart from Iran, of course it will be a serious problem if there is no deal with Russia, looking for a replacement that can supply oil in the short term is certainly very difficult especially the trend of oil prices continues to rise, making oil producers Have a strong bargaining value.

We can't go on like this. I mean I get that there could be sides of this war, there could be west vs Russia type of war and everyone could make their own dealings with it.

However, I do not understand the forcing nations to pick a side. I mean if India or any other nation provided soldiers and money and help to Russia to win this war, then I would understand how that could be bad, after all you are helping one nation to hurt the other one, and in that case there is a choosing a side. But, if I want to buy oils from both the USA and Russia at the same time during this period, I should be able to. You can't just warn people for business.

India should tell the US to GTFO. Afterall, the sky high prices for crude oil that we are witnessing right now resulted from Biden's crazy policies such as stopping the Keystone XL pipeline and banning of fracking in federal lands. The US has used crude oil price as a weapon since time immemorial. In oil consuming countries such as India, the Americans have used high crude oil prices as a tool to instigate popular opinion against the ruling government. Being an Indian, I fully support the decision from my government to purchase Russian crude instead of oil from terror-funding gulf states.

Basically I agree with the replies above. The oil embargo won’t work unless all countries stop buying their oil because one country will just sell to another while buying Russian oil since they are not sanctioned. Basically it will all balance out.

I think this is the reason why the oil markets have cooled off. People realized that countries will just buy oil from other countries which don’t sanction Russian oil and in the end everything will be balanced as before. So this is why every country needs to sanctions all of Russian products if they want to have any affect on anything.

What does this wrong side of history mean by the way?

The US will still need India even if India will keep buying gas and oil from Russia. They need India to deter China after Russia so whatever India will do will just have to be done and the US couldn't stop them because they know they are much needed as geographically, India is closer to China.

How is such a move going to put India on the wrong side of history? Buying gas from anyone regardless of who they are means democracy.  
It's the same thing as the US allowing Iran to have a nuclear deal with Russia so that does also puts the US on the wrong side of history?

USA think they could control everyone by using such laws in the present where in the past they are the ones making all of the trouble. I haven't heard any US story that doesn't involve them in any conflict of a country, they are always present to such extents they always interfere to the other countries.

Now, I understand why India choose to make some trade to Russia and I don't have a problem with that since it was called paying some respect. They also gain a discount when dealing with Russia so I don't think there's a political problem with this when all they did was just grabbing the opportunity.

What happens is that at some point the discounts offered by Russia will simply be too big for some countries to ignore and they will begin to buy oil and gas from Russia at prices lower than what they can do on the open market, and empty threats like being on the wrong side of history means little if they can get those discounts for the long term while the rest of the world needs to deal with high prices of oil and the inflation this will bring, so I would not be surprised if many other countries follow India and begin to buy Russian oil.

The U.S. has no authority to dictate international commerce. Any bilateral transactions between countries is not their business. It is not India's responsibility that the U.S. elected a senile leader that paved the way for Ukraine to be invaded. India does not share the westernized vision of green energy with electric cars and solar panels - they need cheap oil. The sanctions just make Putin more desperate which means more dead Ukrainian civilians. By the way, China has no problems trading with Russia despite the pathetic pleas of the Biden administration to China to financially restrict ties.

True, a big question is if the United States has given same response to countries like Germany and Netherlands that still buy or just trying to intimidate India to a decision that they did not take.

There were concerns before the Russian-Ukranian crisis escalated that the US representing NATO did not handle negotiations well enough diplomatically, but went on to issue verbal threats in forms of sanctions to try bully Putin, this didn't turn out well. Why use terms like "a move to the wrong side of history?" for an independent and big country like India, it is provocative and a leader who is hot headed may not react well to such.

Ask yourselves, if it were India that sanctioned Russia, will the US follow suit and obey? some issues are better handled diplomatically, let the other party see reason with you, instead of just dishing out unnecessary threats.

You think logically, but the world has long since ceased to be a place of logic, and has become a place where power and interests rule. The US behaves like a world policeman who reacts to irregularities, but only those that will not harm their personal interests. At one time, they went to war against Iraq and Afghanistan because of what later turned out to be false reports of weapons of mass destruction or that Afghanistan was a world terrorist base.

What is the result of that policy? Both countries have been left in chaos, people are living worse than before, the number of people they have killed is in the hundreds of thousands. As for India, it is no secret that they are great allies of the US, and that their attitudes towards China are almost identical to those of the US - so this warning should be understood as a warning more of a cosmetic meaning than a real threat.

In Europe, we have a case where a country that is in accession negotiations with the EU (Serbia) refuses to impose any sanctions on Russia - and helps them by maintaining an air corridor with Moscow through which Russians travel carefree throughout the EU. I have not read anywhere that the US is protesting against this, although the EU does not have a firm stance on such things either.

Unfortunately, the world is full of hypocrites who say one thing and do something completely different - as well as news that should deceive the public, while on the other hand, everyone does what they want.

Why the US should warn? Don't they believe India is an Independent country? Do they only believe that Ukraine is an independent country? I am not supporting the Russia-Ukraine war anyway. Russia should stop killing people. But not agree with the US, the sanctions given by the USA, not by India or the world. It doesn't necessary to follow the US in every section. India is an independent country and they have the right to take their own decision. They have to think positively for their own nation, not for US or US citizens. The US should stop interfering in every country, it's quite ridiculous they want to role the world.

Its funny how they named it as "United". There is thing called as allies and everyone has it throughout the history. If they can not digest that their ally is friends with their enemy then they should straight away break the alliance rather than shouting from thousand of miles with small chit chats. Come on, if you america is so scared of one nation buying daily needed fuel then whats got into them is mystery. I would say they should do their own work and other countries should mind their own business.

India's strategic aliance can not be broken. If America breaks it today then they know, they will loose big defending wall in the eastern hemisphere.

You may be correct on the narrative because it looks like the three major currencies ($€£) are going to be difficult for transaction for Russia during this war with Ukraine because Asian countries are not very much in cordial transaction with these currencies. So I think these countries may start thinking of how to make less of a meaning with them soon after the war.

"Wrong side of history" hehe. Here comes the US trying to act righteous as if they haven't done a lot of aweful things in the middle east.

Are they trying to pressure smaller countries again?

It wasn't also long ago when the Pakistan Prime Minister lashed out at EU envoys for sending a letter asking him to condemn Russia.

Sorry, what?! Poor people exist all over the world. Do you really think that I just love to pay 50% more for gas, do you really think I love to pay more for electricity, heating, food, ..., while my income doesn't change a bit?
But we have to show we are not selfish, he have to show we care about the others, even if that makes our lives too much harder for a while.

I guess that's not the case for India, right, because they want to feel special.
And the world doesn't owe them anything, the world doesn't have to provide anything. Want me to be harsh, here I am: stop multiplying like rats, start asking more money for your work and elect politicians that do more and steal less. This is something you have to do for yourselves, not waiting the world "care".

Only a senseless mind can think a democratic republic and a communist ideology will team up. It's not only about borders between two countries but also in the military, economic, agriculture sector both countries is rival. Though India is far behind china but with good political leadership it can compete with China with its huge manpower.

I do not think there's any Indian commercial flight going through Ukraine airspace Its been closed for any commercial flight from other countries due to war.

This statement is incorrect. Now the entire civilized world is uniting to punish Russia with economic sanctions as an aggressor that unleashed a war against Ukraine and shelled peaceful cities and killed civilians. This is the largest war of conquest in Europe since the Second World War. But states are only just beginning to understand the danger of what is happening. Therefore, Germany is already joining the sanctions and supporting Ukraine with weapons.
The US has also warned China not to have trade deals with Russia, so the same warning against India is logical. If Putin is allowed to go further, the entire human civilization may suffer. In the 21st century, with current technology, wars of this magnitude are unacceptable.

In what currency will Russia be willing to accept, and in what currency will India be willing to purchase? It's expected that Russia will never accept the U.S. Dollar, or the Euro. Will payments be in physical Gold/other commodities, because that would only be the logical choice.

I believe, because of the U.S. government's financial cancellation and sanction on Russia, a narrative will surface. "The beginning of distrust over the World Reserve Currency/U.S. Dollar".

I don't think that China and India will be on the same team, remember that they have a border tension back in 2021 so I don't think that they're going to be teaming up anytime soon. Did you base this hypothesis of one picture of an Indian aircraft just going through the Ukrainian airspace not worrying about the war?

USA could afford to make a deal with Venezuela, what should India do? Just get even worse in economics? I mean we are talking about a nation that already seen enough poverty, and maybe it is better today than 100 years ago, but it is still not good enough that poverty would be gone, there are still tons of people in poverty, even though they now have a lot of rich people as well.

They need to get as cheap oil as possible, as cheap gas as possible and even get as cheap wheat as possible if offered, they need to get under market value everything from all around the world not caring who offers it. That is how you grow as a nation and be better in the future.

Random tweets eh? lol okay whatever.

I read exactly your comment, and I will again claim you're both ignorant and racist when you accuse the western world of caring only about blue eyes poeple, even more so when you think that all Europeans have blue eyes, nobody in my family has blue eyes for example and I'm definitely European.
And posting some random tweets means nothing, just proves how little you know and what stupid misleading sources you have for information.

Triggered much?
Most some more tweets, maybe till the end of the day you will still have time to grab a damn book.

You clearly not following news or didn't read my full comment?


https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/media_bias_ukraine_war.php
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-racist-media-coverage-surprised

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1497974245737050120

Not on this planet, it's not!
In order for Russia to sell oil through a pipeline, it will have to go in the same direction as the TAPI pipeline, which means Afghanistan (lol), and Pakistan. I'm sure India would love to see them in a position where Pakistan could shut down the oil flow at any moment. The other way would be through China, which India is currently best buddies with, right?
A direct line from the border to oil closest oil field would be around 2800km, if we go from Surgut to New Delphi in a straight line it's around 3600km and might have to cross some mountains, I don't remember clearly which but I have the impression they re some really tall ones   from the main ports of both counties, the distance is 2600.

That being said, I can only hope India will buy Russian oil, it will put more pressure on the African and Arabian states that currently sell oil to India and make them drop the prices or be ousted. So what will they do if they can't sell oil to India anymore?  


Nice, just shows how uneducated and racist you are, poeple in Ukraine don't have all blue eyes, in fact, they have the lowest percentage of blue eyes in Europe, alongside France and Spain, with less than 1/4 of the population.

That's rich "Wrong side of history" coming from the Western block. How come these brown bastards with their beastly religion not following their masters. Blue eyed, white european from the civilised world are dying and they are not supporting us? This kind of entitlement and racist commentary i have heard in last couple of week from various commentators, think tanks mainly British-USA and for some weird reason couple of Portuguese as well. 

Having said that i would suggest that don't go by this single media briefing, this shouldn't hold much weight overall if you're following US-IND bilateral relations, it might hit a few roadblocks due to recent events or reasonable suspicions on both sides but they are getting better day by day. Both countries know that they need each other to contain China (on the other hand US-NATO has no use of India much as far as Russia is concern). Also avoid following any think tank commentary or interweb comments who are still wondering why India is not complying with western sanction or not voting against Russia. Fortunately and surprisingly DC understand the Delhi's situation. 

But in future if (Big if imo) by any chance India is facing any major sanction due to S-400, SSN lease etc then watch out if Beijing is reaching out to Delhi with olive branch.

Russia sanctions is suppose to be within the EU and NATO countries but India is not part of it, and the restrictions extending there to India ? Russia will discount to more countries that are not NATO or EU for survival for the sale of oil or other products. I don't think India or China will stop buying from Russia, these countries are likely to form an alliance.

Does it matter? Many European countries are still buying from Russia. So what's the problem with India? It's hilarious to see when US speaks such non sense because they are the only country who are responsible for the most number of wars in the history of humankind.

Indians didn't forget 1971 war when Bangladesh was liberated from the hold of Pakistan by Indian forces. The entire world was against India except Russia. Russian submarines were present at the warfield by the request of Indian Prime minister Indira Gandhi. Take a little history lesson and you will understand why India refrained from voting against Russia in UN.

A complete oil embargo cannot be imposed unless all countries comply with that embargo.
During the sanctions imposed on the Iranian regime, that country sold oil to some countries, and Russia's capabilities are much greater than Iran's.

It's gaining opportunities, Russia can sell oil at less than the world price and still be profitable, and the same for India, Russia is closer to them than Saudi Arabia and they can get them at a discount.

The problem lies in dealing in dollars, and this can be bypassed by using the barter system or by keeping mutual reserves between the two countries without the need to impose financial penalties on them because they did not use the dollar in those operations.

As long as other countries, most known being Germany, keep buying gas and oil from Russia, I'm not convinced that India will care that much about all this. India can easily point fingers and shrug. They'll probably need something more palpable from the richer guys - either a better offer, either some clearer threats - in order to get to care.

Unfortunately the countries and politicians are not as nice, good-willing and united as we'd like to believe. Everybody goes for his own interest as long as it doesn't look so bad to the others, and sometimes even if it looks bad it doesn't matter.

White House Press Secretary Jane Sackie said, "We believe that India will not violate US sanctions by buying oil from Russia through discounts." However, he warned India that such a move would lead the world's largest democracy to the wrong side of history.

India's largest refiner, Indian Oil Corporation, bought 3 million barrels of crude oil from Russia, Reuters reported on Monday. This is the first such transaction since Russia launched an operation in Ukraine on February 24. Indian officials also told Reuters that Delhi could accept Russian offers for oil and other products at a special discount.

Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russia-india-oil-deal-us-psaki-b2036822.html