Topic: USA to be dismantled by internal & external threats (Read 6558 times)

I think she´s just a placeholder for now so the psychos from the other side of the one-party don´t have the scene all for themselves. They´ll roll out something else in due course. Obama doesn´t seem totally certifiable, a first for decades. So, maybe a change is coming, one can always hope.

I agree he is more than "half-dead", but so is she, and Hillary should not be considered a viable candidate for President.
Maybe she will pull out........LOL?

Yeah, can´t say I´m surprised. Maybe they give him a blood transfusion/some medical wonders before those trips. Or he just watches. Good luck, g

The "half-dead husband" has been busy on sex-slave island and there are airline records that prove it.

Man, what a shocker. First thing that comes to mind upon viewing that woman is why the hell isn´t she in some institution with rubber walls in the interests of public safety. It´s just staggering. And that half-dead husband she has in tow. What have you been thinking America ?

The Obama's will be gone soon enough, then Queen Lizard Hillary is preparing to take over.  




ps. re: "incompetence" == Sometimes that is an excuse for intentional evil.

It´s always incompetence yet nobody is fired, only promoted. Just look at all the promotions after 9/11. And the same people that screwed up Iraq were sent to destroy Ukraine. These are just two examples, there´s tons more. It´s a pattern. Incompetence doesn´t seems to damage CV´s in this system, quite the contrary actually. So, either it´s all being ruined according to plan or the people in charge are just clueless maniacs of some serious mental disorder. Or both.

No surprise if we look at the u.s. itself.

USA is not in the current position without the massive hard work they have done to become who they are and with a massive GDP of 10+ trillion dollars, I don't see any one even coming close to dismantling them 

As usual, I get the final world when my predictions always seem to come true.

No NWS, even Russia, would do an EMP attack on the United States (or any other NWS) other than one with a Tactical-EMP weapon (a.k.a. non-nuclear EMP device) with localized effect like the ones already employed since Desert Storm. An EMP attack on a wider scale, like the one required to put the United States in a pre-electricity age, could be achieved only with EMPs from nuclear weapons thus riskying inadvertently provoking an accidental nuclear exchange. So Russia or any other NWS would do such a massive EMP strike only as opening salvo of a nuclear first strike. Also, the damage from such an EMP attack would only be a % of the total damage done by nuclear strikes (civilian losses due to a laking of an extensive network of bomb&fallout shelters, blast & thermal damage to infrastructures, etc.). Massive damage to a country like the United States could be achieved even with only a nuclear warhead aimed maybe at New Orleans, like Stratfor pundits once said; so, more warheads would exponentially do even more damage.
EMP defense preparadness while important should thus be evaluated against defenses from other important threats; but doing this don't make enough good headlines for the evening news.


+1. I never saw reliable futures analysis models disclosed via gmail accounts.  

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Subject: Armstrong starting to regurgitate some of my points
From:    wearefucked
Date:    Sun, April 5, 2015 3:31 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <[email protected]>
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Armstrong is starting to get some of my points, such as how the rise in 3rd party activity for the 2016 election will likely be a rebellion against federal government and the start of the breakup of the USA, not a victory within the political system.

Yet he still doesn't understand the entire thing is being coordinated by the powers-that-be to bring the world to a one-world reserve currency.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/04/05/political-dark-side-of-2016-obamas-intent-to-bring-war/

Most people want more. The wealthy certainly want more. If they didn't, they probably wouldn't be wealthy in the first place. The middle-class want more. Even many of the poor want more, though they don't have a clue about how to get it.

In the free world, there is more fighting among the elite of government than there is competition among businesses. Because of the freedom in the free world, there is free thinking among even the military... even individual soldiers.

Collapse of the public starts at the top with fighting among the elite of every operation in the world. Sure there is agreement for awhile. Sometimes the agreement works for decades. Then envy among the elite is the thing that takes their empire down from the inside.

Look at the great empires of the past. Most of them fell because of fighting within, among the elite. If Hitler had succeeded, Germany might have ruled the world throughout the days of Hitler, but it, too, would have fallen because of fighting among those of power inside their government.

There is way more behind the scenes to the things that you are saying. The one thing that I clearly agree with you is, there is trouble coming. But isn't this the way that it has always been? Everybody dies, like it or not. The elite government is collapsing just as fast as they are building it. It is a shell of strength, that can be cracked as easily as an egg. Much of the cracking comes from within, just like a new chick pecking its way out of its incubator-egg.

BADecker okay. As for specific solutions, I mention one below but don't go into technical detail. I think this thread is more high-level about what sort of reactions the powers-that-be will do. My theory is they will become increasingly desperate.

> Regarding Bitcoin, I thought we both agreed it was an elite psy op
> (Bitcoin itself, not the concept of crypto currency).  Bitcoin is
> manufactured dissent, if you will.

TPTB either created Bitcoin or they co-opted it.

You are looking MOSTLY at the propaganda markers.

You are focused on the masses or even the mental manipulation of sectors of society. Whereas I am pointing out that those fodder are irrelevant!

I am pointing out that if the knowledge capitalists shift their monetary system to one that can't be taxed and controlled, TPTB have lost. The masses are irrelevant (or a liability) except to the extent they can give political power to the TPTB. Now the jury is still out on whether that will be achieved technologically, but I am reasonably certain it can and will be achieved. TPTB will respond by trying to ramp up regulation of the internet, e.g. the recent FCC net neutrality take over. But I think it is technologically impractical to exist widespread web hosting and websites and for the TPTB to have the level of regulatory control they would need to squash a properly implemented anonymity protocol (something like Tor but can't be Sybil attacked).

They do not have the ability to murder all the knowledge capitalists. If they started down that road, the knowledge capitalists would turn their vast knowledge towards protection against the threat.

The basic problem for the TPTB is they've declared war against the knowledge capitalists and sorry they can not win. The hackers can run circles around the NSA, because remember what I wrote:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Knowledge_Anneals

"Unsophisticated thinkers have an incorrect understanding of knowledge creation, idolizing a well-structured top-down sparkling academic cathedral of vastly superior theoretical minds. Rather knowledge primary spawns from accretive learning due to unexpected random chaotic fitness created from multitudes of random path dependencies that can only exist in the bottom-up free market. Top-down systems are inherently fragile because they overcommit to egregious error (link to Taleb's simplest summary of the math). Given Kurzweil's sensationalized magnum opus is the technological singularity, it is surprising that he is apparently not well studied in the field of social knowledge formation."

Are you saying I was criticizing when I was only asking? If there are technological errors in Maidsafe, then it is their problem.

You are criticizing me for not providing solutions in this thread, which wasn't the point of this thread. Then you advertize MaidSafe from your signature line as a solution.

If you want to talk about solutions, then be prepared to be shown your technological errors.

This has become a Maidsafe thread now?    

The EMP outcome looks more probable from my perspective of the evolution of the order-of-things:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10929929

BADecker Maidsafe is total bullshit. I explained the technical reasons in my past posts. I am not going to go dig up my old posts. It was one of my prior usernames.

Ah I will be telling and providing you the solutions, but you won't know it is me (or at least you won't be able to prove it is me). Can't you imagine why it must be that way? Duh.

The personality or identity of the person isn't important. Satoshi proved that. It is the solutions they bring that matter.

Unfortunately most all of you are incapable of analyzing the technical aspects, e.g. you think MaidSafe is a solution because you are incapable of analyzing the flaws that render it entirely useless (for the applications you are imagining). MaidSafe can work only for private storage of individual files with infrequent access (because its monetization unit is storage space not bandwidth) and not for anonymization of websites nor the public internet-at-large. And its anonymization claims are technical nonsense. It can make files unrecoverable by those who don't have the private key, but can't successfully make the user anonymous from the NSA.

I don't know what side you are on. We need the info you are expressing. However, remember Tokyo Rose in WWII? She sounded so sweet and loving. But we all know whose side she was on, or we can look it up.

There are fear mongers all over the place - Alex Jones, Dave Hodges, L. Niel Smith, Lew Rockwell, Freedom's Phoenix, loads more. Who is showing the practical answers? Are we supposed to know the answers - the ways we can fight - just off the top of our heads? Let some of the fear mongers show the answers as well.

Freedom's Phoenix often shows some answers, and other times shows tons of ideas that could be turned into answers. And, of course, there is Bitcoin.

In Bitcoin, mining controls transactions. Transactions don't happen without mining.

That is one of the first flaws I would fix.

Mining can't be decentralized because there is always a variance cost to not joining a pool with double-digit hashrate share. From that size, it is easy for the economics to drive it towards oligarchies of a few pools in control.

I realized a while back that mining is essentially the same thing as printing dollar bills, except it's the digital equivalent. I'm very well aware that controlling a larger amount of the mining nodes would allow an entity to have control over bitcoin.

The best, most powerful technology will always be available to the people with the biggest pockets. I always thought to myself, if TPTB wanted to start controlling bitcoin, all they gotta do is set up mega mining farms, like the ones currently operating in China that we've seen pictures about, except with better technology that is not available to the public, through their own R&D. Then again, I never really believed the Satoshi fairytale, I knew that bitcoin was something with much more importance than people were making it out to be.

BADecker, is there any doubt which side I am on?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10924880

vvv8, Bitcoin plays an important role but remember it isn't really anonymous and it is controlled by about 1 - 4 mining pools, and thus it is easily taken over and expropriated by the powers-that-be (regulating the mining can control all the coins, regardless that they won't have the private keys). Thus better technology must come. Bitcoin will still be important as a reserve currency of the altcoins, with the most market mass and penetration.

I've read through this whole thread. While I take the things the OP says to mind, i don't personally want to state anything that I don't feel in my gut to be true.


What I do feel, is that the coming crisis will be intertwined with the collapse of the dollar as the reserve currency. They know that when the economy falters, there will be chaos. Because people have been dumbed down, because most people these days don't care about what is REALLY happening, these are the kind of people that will be part of the chaos, because their whole fantasy world comes crashing down to the swift reality that they are now broke, without shelter, food and without future.

There are a few things that I do recognize with the MSM. Usually, when they start heavily repeating the same rhetoric over and over, they're trying to put an idea into your head. The global economy has been under the spotlight for a while now. People are openly talking about how things are becoming progressively worse. To me this is a sign that the global financial economy is going to change. Whether or not bitcoin is apart of this, time will tell, because there are those that are pro bitcoin, and those that wish its death. From a technological standpoint, I don't see bitcoin disappearing anytime soon.

It is also very true that American military has become wary of its own leadership. This is a huge problem on its own, and very well might be the reason for the militarized police,  FEMA, UN, and/or foreign "peacekeepers".

I also see an EMP attack as something plausible, because an EMP is a different type of warfare as compared to traditional weapons, like big guns or bombs. It's a way to control populations without directly killing anybody. Somebody could launch an EMP, and nobody would know where or who made the order.

Something big is happening behind the curtains

Yes and no. Yes, if I can see that it is an attack rather than simply the order of organized government.

Someone I am corresponding with in email believes an EMP attack would be too risky because it might motivate people to wake up or work together. The powers-that-be prefer the less risky slow-grind into a global Technocracy.

This assumes patriots don't become too strong.

For example, let's say an anonymous crypto-currency becomes a reality and hordes of Americans become emboldened to opt-out of the tax system and the dollar.

If this starts to spread and the powers-that-be are unable to contain it with traditional control methods (and that is a big "if" because there are technological vulnerabilities that would need to be addressed such Sybil attacks on anonymity networks such as Tor), they would resort to riskier methods in order to attempt to regain control.

Shutting off the internet would not be popular. However an EMP attack would justify such a result.

So while I agree an EMP attack is not a first option, it could become a necessity for the powers-that-be.

Indeed it all hinges on an anonymous protocol which destroys their (e.g. NSA surveillance) advantage and behooves them to take away that protocol by destroying the infrastructure.

I see no other way for the patriots to gain critical mass of organization and defense against divide-and-conquer.


BADecker, those who are easiily frightened aren't capable of availing of the solution, so it is pointless and unproductive for me to cater to them. I hope to be one of those programmers working on the solution and unfortunately as I wrote above the solution will cause the powers-that-be to take more extreme actions.

It is time for the real men to stand up and not be afraid. I hope I can count on you BADecker as being one them.

It's one thing to warn people, even with details. But it is entirely wrong to scare them so badly that they panic or freeze, thereby becoming prey for the enemy.

We're all probably going to die. So far, there doesn't seem to be any way out of it. So, let's fight. When it comes down to it, a whole lot of us will fight. All this talk about "we.are.fucked" is crap designed to scare us into submission.

Whose side are you on?

Is it not understandable why the elite view the masses as dumb-as-shit cows?

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/27/democrat-claims-global-warming-will-turn-women-into-prostitutes/


If the American women will experience prostitution to eat, it won't be due to the lie of global warming rather the ignorance, apathy, selfishness, and arrogance.

What´s the "surplus" male population of China again after years and years of one-child policy? Certainly a few dozens of millions of young men that will need wives outside of China´s borders. What to do ? Invade neighbors ? Be "invited" here and there ? Good luck, g

Indeed the only potential solution is technological as I have always said since 2013 on this forum. And Bitcoin is not currently anonymous.

The elite laugh at all the other noise about legal tax resistance you wrote (for a reality check go visit Peter Schiff's dad in prison or listen to what the former IRS tax commissioner told Aaron Russo in Yiddish on camera). They love to see the pigs squeal in vain before they are harvested. The elite are preparing for all forms of resistance and they can't do everything instantly, but they are preparing for the right time to implement their objectives.

Westerners have not experienced war. An EMP attack won't be propaganda. It will be real survival instincts taking over. Even you might be glad when the Chinese arrive to restore order and feed you. Especially after they have turned the uncontrolled area farms into uninhabitable war zones, as they righteously attempt to restore order (imagine foraging gangs stealing food and raping people in these areas and thus U.N. forces will demand to confiscate all guns which of course the patriots will resist). The public in the cities will support the U.N. forces and the restoration of order under a temporary martial law which requires guns be "temporarily" confiscated. Katrina was a dry run test, and they did "temporarily" confiscate guns.

U.N. Agenda 21

http://thetruthwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Agenda-21-Map-450x327.jpg

At what point does expressing massive amounts of information that you can't do anything about, become fear in the hearts of the people so that the people are demoralized?

If the enemy without and within was ready, they would have struck. They wouldn't have waited. What they have is a shell. The shell is the fact that as they prepare against us, we find out and prepare against them. They are helped because there are so many people who go into panic mode from the information in their shell. Much of what the enemy has is propaganda that causes fear.

Do you want to do something about the enemy? Keep on using and spreading Bitcoin. When they come after you for not paying the appropriate tax, use the freedom you have to conquer them.

The 9th Amendment = We set up the government. We are above it. The government didn't exist before we set it up. We lose nothing by setting it up. Taxes are not a legal requirement except if we volunteer.

The 10th Amendment = It is the same for the States. And it is confirmation for the people. There is no place in the Constitution where you or I or any other man or woman has turned over authority of ourselves and our property to the government. The government gets its authority from our voluntary giving of it to them.

The 7th Amendment = There are certain principles of law that cannot be denied.

If you are accused by THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA for violating a tax law, in court first ask if the case can be appealed. If they tell you that it can, require them to try you in a court of common law where there will be a jury trial and the decision can't be overturned, as the 7th Amendment states.

The plaintiff must appear. Since you are standing as a man or woman, present, without representation, without representing yourself, a man or woman MUST come against you. A man or woman plaintiff must come against you. Since THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is not a man or woman, it can't appear. You win. Sue it for false claim. Sue it for all your back taxes paid.

See how to do it.
http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html = Angela Stark's Talkshoe.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw = TrustInAllLaw snippets of Karl's audios.

http://www.broadmind.org/ = Karl's main page.

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/ = Karl's United Kingdom page.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw = TrustInAllLaw snippets page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da = Craig Lynch's snippets page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D = Ten great Youtube videos, might be the best introduction to Karl.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=127469&cmd=tc = Karl's Talkshoe site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iua56K4Mysk = Karl Lentz - The Brian Bonar Incident - YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdHLHWS4gPE = Lentz-Sense - don't be a More~On - YouTube.


Other Info

http://voidjudgments.com/ = The Secret is most judgments are Void on their face and not merely voidable.

http://educationcenter2000.com/Trinsey-v-Paglario.htm = Trinsey v. Pagliaro - Attorneys cannot "speak" in common law trials if the one who is bringing the suit orders it. Holding from Trinsey v. Pagliaro: "An attorney for the plaintiff cannot admit evidence into the court. He is either an attorney or a witness."


Start now, while you can with your studies. It is very simple, so simple that it is difficult, winning against government. Get rid of your former thinking, and learn how to stand as a human being and win.

If we take away their ability to tax, they fail.

Is a starvation EMP attack on the USA required for the "Club" to maintain control?



Why did the elite build impenetrable bunkers in USA such as the Cheyenne Mountain Complex which are certified to be able sustain an EMP attack?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/mar/02/usa.matthewengel1

Do you have a confirmation bias because of where you reside?

TPTB need to wipe out the independent minded gun owners in the USA. They need an excuse to do so. We can see with the Bundy Ranch incident that the BLM was defeated in public opinion because they could not slaughter the 100s of women and children who joined ranks with their husbands and fathers.

In order to get the public to support a massive culling of the human population, they always need an extreme situation (e.g. Nazi Germany). The deprivation of an EMP attack would cause the public-at-large in the cities to cry out for protection from the UN blue hats that Kissinger promised would be on U.S. soil one day, because the domestic forces would AWOL (to scavenge for food) as they did at Katrina. Kissinger likely wants his goal to be achieved before he dies.

The infrastructure in the USA is outdated. An efficient way to get full coverage of Smartgrid and smart meters is to have to replace everything with the patriots exterminated and Chinese doing the work and policing. Perhaps a good use for the excess Chinese males since there will be a high body count to mop up the guns under every blade of grass in the U.S.A..

The goal of turning the rural areas of the USA into war zones has to effect of making them uninhabitable for all except a battle of attrition with the gun toting patriots.

Third party activity will rise significantly by 2016 and beyond and a big threat to the control of the elite is that rise of gun toting local governance and communities in the USA. The Bundy Ranch incident was an initial flashpoint.

The USA is headed for a breakup (breakaway from WA D.C. which is a dictatorship in disguise and can't be taken back with a vote), and so for the elite to retain control they need a means by which to make gun toting local governance and communities dysfunctional. The only way of killing the Yankee "can do" attitude is war. The elite have known this and have planned for this. Study their actions and the various documents such as DHS's classification of patriots as terrorists.

The hard-core patriots have stockpiled and prepared for war. Some of them will be prepared to survive an EMP attack. So these ones have to be mopped up with fighting; no other way around it. Otherwise they will continue to home school their kids and continue to be a resistance movement to the elite new world order. There is no way Kissinger will allow that without a counter strategy. He is too smart.

TPTB are going for broke. Don't be so comfy in your confirmation bias. We are headed into a tempest of epic proportions. You've been warned. Continue on enjoying your life oblivious to threat if you wish.

Maybe the true believers can be convinced the world already ended, over 2 years ago?

Where we're going, fairy tales aren't going to be able to help us.

It all seems vaguely religious, doesn't it?

USA to be dismantled by internal & external threats
The deadline for the disaster was supposed to be shortly after the 2008 election, then 2012, now it's after 2016?
At least we got to enjoy some extra time...

I was on the fence while reading the first page of this thread....then i read some more..and then i read the rest.
Now im certain that this is my new favorite thread on bitcointalk. 

Nugget after nugget of pure reading gold.
I look forward to seeing what the future pages will bring.

"Eyes get opened one eyelash at a time".

"God" help us if the conspiracy of a new world order (which elder Bush spoke of to the entire nation) is true.

Any way, we individuals need to think about how survive and prosper.

Again computer science technology is what I know. Also I know how wipe my ass with dirt and leaves and dig up root crops to survive. I just hope I can leverage the former skill and not the latter in our future.

Good luck to all readers, their families, children, and love ones. I pray the conspiracy theories are false.

Speaking of incompetence, did you know that crazy screwball Victoria Nuland worked for Dick Cheney in Little Bush´s administration and did so well in helping defraud through the Iraq war that Obama had her messing up things in the Ukraine ?

It´s just incompetence...

Since the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the 2011 “Arab Spring,” every regime that the United States has supported in Iraq, Yemen and Libya — including Saleh’s — has resulted in a failed state, with no rule of law and a collapsed economy.

The reportedly hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of U.S. weapons, equipment and supplies falling into enemy hands in Iraq, Syria and now in Yemen are more than just signs of strategic failure. Rather, they’re part of a long list of recent embarrassments, including the poor performance of U.S.-trained Iraqi military personnel when Islamic State invaded Mosul last summer, and the Islamic militant army’s confiscation of U.S. military weapons and supplies in the Iraqi territories it has occupied.

Millions in U.S. military equipment lost as Yemen heads down Syria’s path

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/03/24/millions-in-u-s-military-equipment-lost-as-yemen-heads-down-syrias-path/

Well, I´m actually a conspiracy theorist myself and it certainly hasn´t escaped my attention that all this chaos is the result of terrorist attacks and hopeless war adventures. And always as those Hollywoodshows and wars flop the excuse is incompetence. And stupidity. I guess that diverts people from thinking about these issues in psychopathic terms if you get my drift. In any event; those so called incompetent dumbasses are never fired only promoted. Or kicked somewhere upstairs whatever. Got to have you thinking.

Kissinger has said we may need 30 years of war & pestilance

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-henry-kissinger-on-state-of-global-politics-a-1002073.html



http://www.spingola.com/new_world_order1.htm

galdur that makes sense except that I assume the powers-that-be want to bring society to its knees in order to obtain their one-world new order where nations give up their sovereignty.

I think nations and people will only relinquish sovereignty when they've been thoroughly pummeled.

However I do hold out hope for your scenario too.

I don´t necessarily assume that Uncle Sam would launch nuclear missiles in response to a Russian EMP attack. It´s more about the threat sometimes being stronger than the execution. Being such great chess players the Russians realize this very well. And it´s easy to start wars but more difficult to control how they develop. That´s why I doubt that the nuclear powers will escalate things much from the usual proxy wars. Unless there´s friggin lunatics in charge which can´t be ruled out totally.

Oh btw, the reason I was emphasizing that we'd been fooled on Obama and "wife's" sexuality and gender is that it is not outside the realm of speculation that Obama was put in office for the purpose of causing mutiny in the military.

Presumably the masculine, highly logical minds in the military can see clearly what Obama and Michelle really are and plausibly conclude the nation has been taken over by forces that are intent on showing the military how fooled the people are. Thus causing the military coup to forment but be withheld by the lack of awareness (cooperation) of the American public. Thus holding it in the wings to spring forward in martial law post EMP attack with support of the broad, scared public.

These are psy ops. This is the handiwork of CIA (Bush former head), KGB (Putin former head), and the DEEP STATE.

It is plausibly very scripted.

P.S. My ancestor was Isaac Shelby a key general in the revolutionary war and a governor of Kentucky. My name is Shelby Moore. I take my first name from him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Shelby

That is #1 if you assume this isn't all just coordinated show like it was in WW2 where Bush's grandfather Prescott was financing Hitler.

Also factor in that the scenario enables Kissinger's promise of UN blue hat troops on U.S. soil.

Orthogonally you #2 also assume the USA would opt for mutually assured destruction when it can instead respond in kind with an EMP attack. I don't think the chain of command would allow nuclear holocaust to be initiated from our side. The lurking mutiny is something Obama (and Putin) is surely aware of. The coup would happen instantly because they American people are not in favor of a nuclear holocaust as a response to an EMP attack.

Hey I had already worked out all that logic in my mind at the start of this thread.

Well, that´s an interesting point but I doubt that Russia has any real motivation for this. And the U.S. has plenty of nuclear power in subs and bases around the world to strike back. So, it´s mutual assured destruction which means that it won´t happen. Hopefully.

Jaysabi bro, thank you. I concur with all that you said. It is possible to verify who I am, and I do think there is more credibility when a person puts their personal identity on the line, but I will also concur with you that it depends on the integrity or conscience of the person thus your valid point about its relative worth being dubious.

I am hoping a global war doesn't materialize. I doubt it would be an all out war in case, because the USA no longer has the capacity to fight an all out war in multiple hemispheres, so the opponents wouldn't need to. The EMP concept is a very innovative because it means Russia could potentially turn some American "patriots" (survivalists, some radical gun owners, etc) into lovers of Russia for providing a power vacuum they could step into. It doesn't drive the world to a nuclear winter, yet could still achieve the goals of altering the global hegemony of the USA.

It is notable that the USA has been decreasing spending on our external military, while increasing spending radically on our internal militarized police force and "homeland security". Is that just a coincidence?

If you are in favor of decentralization, privacy, and Bitcoin (which I share with you), then how can you reason that increased regulation by the government will not hurt our cause?

I understand that you felt that corporations could exert control over the internet and thus it would be better in your opinion to have the government exerting some control over the corporations. As you know, I believe the corporations and government get in bed together and form oligarchies in order to maximize corrupt benefits. Even if we dismiss my assumption of the basic nature of government and corporatism, how would even a top-down control over the internet from government help our cause for decentralization, privacy, and Bitcoin when Snowden has taught us that the government is unconstitutionally recording everything via the NSA?

Any way, I think we could side-step the entire debate about net neutrality, because I believe it is a morass either way so it doesn't really matter what happens on that political issue.

I believe any and all real solutions will come from technology that empowers the individual and renders politics entirely irrelevant. For example potentially using stenography to by pass internet filters, etc..

I am a programmer. And since my health has suddenly improved, I am hoping to actually attempt some solutions. So this isn't just hot air from me.

Thank you again for raising the dialogue to a civil tone. You deserve heaps of respect for that unexpected, upstanding action.

Mate, I was responding point by point which I have now deleted in the hopes of finding a less hostile way to converse with you. First, I am not liberal or conservative. I have liberal values, and I have conservative values. I cannot be placed into an either/or box, no matter how convenient that is for dismissing me. Your assumptions on my age and disposition ("a young, liberal punk") are quite off though, and really seems to have colored how you respond to me, as if you can't stand to have someone you perceive to be younger/dumber than you not respect your life experience. (That's my conjecture, btw.) Taking that baggage into a conversation isn't productive. Opinions are a two-way street, but I've noticed that the more I fight with you to express mine, the more entrenched I get into them. That's also not productive for dialogue. I think more than anything else, it has to do with the brash and dismissive nature in which we both communicate with each other. I would guess based on your responses, you are the same way; that the more you express an opinion that is challenged, the more entrenched you get in forcing the other side to validate them. That's more conjecture, I suppose ultimately it's not important why these conversations aren't productive, only that they aren't.

As for this government propaganda agent, it's just ridiculous. That's fine if you're good with putting your identity on the internet. (I don't know who you are, I have no way of verifying if you actually have. Ultimately, I don't care and it's not important to me.) But I'm not inclined to do so. The thing I find revolutionary about bitcoin is the decentralized anonymity of it. I value privacy (the stripping of it, incidentally, is one of my biggest complaints against the government). I further don't see how putting your name down on the forum will have any consequence whatsoever. So what if you put your name down and are proven wrong? Is anyone going to care? Is that going to mark some shift in your life in some way because you put your name behind an idea that didn't come to fruition? It seems very odd to me that someone would ask for that. I'm not inclined to give up my anonymity, and the stated reason for me to do so is not compelling.

In any event, I don't think our interactions are productive, and I don't think that will change. I'll take an equal share of the blame on that. Hell, assign me more if you want. I honestly don't think either of us is open to considering the other person's perspective, as each of us immediately dismisses the other side, often with insults. I'll bow out for that reason.

I am on the record as saying I don't believe a global war/pandemic is likely in 2017-2019. If it comes true, come back and gloat. I'll still be here under this screen name.

I am lacking two very important pieces of data on Michelle Obama's gender.

1. I don't know if the digit ratio statistics are valid for individuals of African ancestry. I noticed in my own experience that black females often have more athletic shoulders and thus more male hormone.

2. I am unaware of any measurement of Michelle's digit ratio, nor am I aware of any medical records indicating which genitalia she has.

The great irony is she could squash the issue very simply by submitting to the same TSA de-clothing body scan microwaves that all Americans have to humiliatingly pass through to board an airplane.

http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/airportscans.jpg

Funny I am rereading my opening post, and I don't see any statement from me conflating either the various sources I provided on the potential effects and capabilities for an EMP attack, nor any statement from me that the alleged the occurrence of military mutiny (not coup) is not orthogonal the former.

You even quoted me below acknowledging this is "wild conjecture":


Again you humiliate yourself because (you have an agenda which clouds your) you lack basic logic and reading comprehension skills. And I notice you haven't asked me to link to the logical ass whipping you received in one of our net neutrality debates.


I have made no statement as to the likelihood of a military coup. I only quoted a source about potential mutiny brewing in the ranks of the U.S.A. military. We have many indications that the circumstances surrounding Benghazi are rife with corruption and abnormalities. The latest development in that ongoing saga is our Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has refused to reveal all of her communications as Secretary of State having hidden her communications behind a private email server contrary to government norms.

I notice you have not challenged the statistical likelihood that Michelle Obama is not a woman by birth, and implications thereof of the honesty and transparency in the highest ranks of our executive governance.

I fail to understand how a cyclical model which has predicted 100s of events correctly (and many exactly to the day) over the past 30 years and has not made an incorrect prediction, can be characterized as a conspiracy theory.  Even if you successfully challenge the veracity of the model's past performance, the best you end up with is YOUR ontological (taxonomy) error.

The-pot-calling-the-kettle-black on conflation.

Note Armstrong has not yet clarified whether the prediction for a pandemic is 100% probability. Also he has indicated that it was not yet clear if it would be a major event similar to the Black Death or a manageable event such as the HIV pandemic which has spread around the world since the 1980s.

The 2017 to 2019 timeframe for the USA to fall into an economic abyss is ≈100% probable according to this cyclical model which has never been incorrect. Some folks will misconstrue generalized statements from Armstrong about potential events (such as his recent statements about weather becoming more volatile) as specific events that must happen verbatim and will thus erroneously accusing him of being incorrect. Any one who has taken the time to read him exhaustively as I have will understand that over a series of communications he conveys an understanding of the probabilities and specificity of timings. Also those who have access to his paid reports have much greater clarity as the exact qualities (time, price, probability) of his cyclical model. Thus any one making accusations without such paid access has more of an agenda than actual data.


Which exactly again in your mind is "ridiculous conjecture"? Is the capability for an EMP attack on the USA "ridiculous conjecture"? Is the high likelihood (>90% statistically) that Michelle Obama is a man "ridiculous conjecture"? Is the near certain probability of the USA starting to fall into an economic abyss in the 2017 to 2019 timeframe "ridiculous conjecture"? (note the cyclical model time frame for the end of this crisis is 2033, so the bottom of abyss may not be reached until say 2024 or later)

I stated "wild conjecture" on the likelihood of an EMP attack and on the potential for their to be sufficient discord within the military to bring about an actual coup. My rough intuition is that the former is more likely before the latter could become feasible enabled by the former. And both remain "wild conjecture" for me. Armstrong wrote recently that the mostly likely timeframe for the beginning of the spread of war is 2017. I believe his conjecture is the festering in Ukraine will eventually reach a more overt shooting war, either in Ukraine or some proxy. And that eventually this has the potential to spread to a direct attack on the USA.

Wild in this context means the data is insufficient to calculate probabilities with sufficient precision.

I do not characterize them as "ridiculous conjecture", because in the case of the potential for EMP attack there seems to be abundant evidence that such a capability might exist. And in the case of heightened levels of discord and mutiny within the military, we have evidence such as Obama replacing roughly 200 top military officers which afaik hasn't happened in such sweeping fashion in the U.S.A. in recent history, we have the Benghazi morass which continues to fester and grow more bizarre, we have the Syrian incident where the U.S.A. funded rebels are alleged to have chemical attacked the citizens, we have the debacle with ISIS allegedly being an offshoot of rebels the U.S.A. was funding and providing arms to, we have the Iraq theater which Ron Paul warned would end up costing more than $100 billion and by now we are $trillions in the hole there and reentering the military threater 3 or 4 times already after declaring victory how many times.

It seems you are the one with a ridiculous stance.

Also it seems to me you are likely a young, liberal punk with no respect for a fellow patriot who is older and wiser than you. I am nearing 50 years old and I have watched my country slide into a pit of corruption and malfeasance.

Perhaps I am mistaken about you being a government propaganda agent, yet I see you are not willing to put credibility behind your opinions by putting your personal reputation on the line. I have put my real name and identity at stake.

No, I'm asserting you conflate an opinion piece published by a reputable news organization with disreputable sources and believe them all regardless of credibility. Were you confused as to which part of your post was a conspiracy theory?


That's funny, the credible news source didn't say anything about a military coup in the US or a cyclical model predicting a global pandemic or a new world order. That was all your conspiracy theory. But I guess because you prefaced a ridiculous conjecture on an actual news report, the conclusions are completely justified!

Well said.  I find people like to spend more time arguing about the cause(or just arguing in general) then figuring out a solution.

Oh another "conspiracy theory":

Perhaps you haven't noticed that one of the articles I linked in the opening post on this threat on the EMP threat comes from the Wall Street Journal. Are you asserting that reputable newspaper publishes conspiracy theories?


Obviously a paid disinformation tactic. Clever.

Readers will clearly see my sincerity and your obfuscation methods.

You will not reveal who you are and readers know my real name.


I have in the past and you were entirely humiliated and caught in an escapable logic error. Do you need to me to provide a link to that past humiliation?


Is attacking a  typo with such vengeance the best feeble obfuscation you can muster? And it is mildly humiliating again for you because you are incorrect:


Your irate tone indicates I've already won because I got inside your head and under your skin. I own you.

Hold on, lemme just post my personal information for some whackadoo on the internet. 

Come at me with all your intellect bro. You're making an epic case for how superior it is with your deep reverence of conspiracy theories and your confusion of the word "shill" (noun: an enthusiastic hawker of ideas) with the word "shrill" (adjective: high pitched and piercing). URSOSMRT! Or best yet, your conclusion that anyone who doesn't agree with you or post their personally identifiable information on the internet must obviously be a government agent.  If that's the level of intellect I could expect to encounter in a debate with you, I'll gladly pass up the opportunity to waste my time.

Jaysabi predictably did not accept my challenge for both of us to provide our real names and permanent contact info. Instead he did a weasel words reply asserting that I expected the recent Obama takeover of the internet to have an instant effect which is obviously never what I said would happen.

I am pretty well convinced that Jaysabi is a paid shrill of the government and that is why he will not provide verifiable contact information. I for one would call and speak to him personally, because I would love to have a live debate with him. I would destroy him intellectually and he knows it and thus hides from me.

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Beliathon & galdur, you must distinguish between usury model "capitalism" of the industrial age with the knowledge capital of the fledgling Knowledge Age. Stored money is not the real capital in an economy, thus I think you misplace blame on capitalism when in fact what we have now is not capitalism rather socialism or collectivism. I explained this in great detail throughout the One-World Reserve Currency thread and the Economic Devastation thread.

Lol, you're gonna be posting on the internet that the global EMP and nuclear war somehow managed not to destroy? You're more delusional than I first thought.

Oh, you're one of those conspiratards from the Obummer's gonna ruin the internet thread? Nice new name you got there, your bullshit makes a lot more sense now. Hey, how's the disintegration of the internet been treating you since your worst nightmare has come true? When are my rates going up and when is Obama gonna break all the internets? I can't believe it hasn't happened already!1!!

An older version of the image above. The more things change the more they stay the same or so they say.

Good luck, g

Corporatism IS capitalism.

The corporatism that became dominant in the eighties and nineties WAS the zenith of capitalism. Capitalism has been declining for the past twenty years. It is a dying system on life support, and the evidence is all around you.

It remains to be seen how long people are willing and able to ignore the slow death of capitalism. How much suffering can we endure before we accept that it's time to start thinking about what comes next?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-25/33-strange-facts-about-america-most-americans-would-be-shocked-learn


http://www.acting-man.com/blog/media/2015/03/Crony-Capitalism-Pyramid.jpg

Hahaha a chimpanzee that is smarter than U.S. high school students, lol. That is hilarious.

I remember when I first started a relationship she was living in a apartment some where in the San Fernando valley, and her and one of her roomates were watching a sitcom and I just all-of-a-sudden remarked, "this program is treating us like we are fools" and I refused to continue watching it. They were probably thinking I was abnormal or something.

I think it was on that day I realized TV was a disease to the mind. I watched it some after that, but I haven't watched TV much at all for 20 years. I never waste time on that.

I watched many of the popular shows back in the 1970s:

http://www.classic-tv.com/70s-shows

Maybe Sanford and Son was my favorite, and there are many on that list I liked. I also watched Star Trek, cartoons such as Speed Racer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sny7ILXfO_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWkS-hDfkIg

But it just came to a point where I realized I wasn't accomplishing anything while sitting in front of that one-way communication, hypnosis device. Much better to be doing some work, learning something, or quality time interacting with real people.

I realized it was an addiction. I later became addicted to sugar in the early 1990s. I think by now I have conquered all my addictions (is posting too much on this forum an addiction, lol).

USA Public Are Fooled! Michelle Obama is very likely a Man, Barrack is alleged to be a Homosexual

Terrible, just terrible. Meanwhile on the other side of the pond

Those of us who are awake, let's not die! Let's find a way to build a parallel economy that the bastards can't tax nor shutdown. Come on Yankees! Countrymen, remember our "can do" culture of yore. It is time to roll.

We need private money. I had explained in great detail as iamback that Bitcoin is useful as a stepping stone being the reserve currency of crypto-currencies, but that we are also going to need to make some significant advances with an altcoin:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/iamback-408792

I would say the average person of the general public has almost no chance of sorting out fact from fiction when the media no longer bothers reporting honestly and instead reports whatever will be most profitable.  People just aren't very smart now-adays.  Mindless television show dumb everyone down, everyone argues about everything and tries to one up each other or appear rich.  Generation Meh will likely get us all killed.

You are missing the point; which is that being able to fool the people right in front of their eyes (and make a mockery of "democracy") is the way the powers-that-be have verified that they can achieve all their plans for a new world order smashup. The people are entirely incapable of opening their eyes.

It is a way of proving how decadent the USA is and the vast majority will just attribute it to being tabloid noise.

You see all that tabloid (and pop culture) noise has succeeded in making the people numb to reality. They public has tuned out to reality.

Sounds like something from the tabloids.  At any rate, if he's a traitor, does it really matter if he's a gay or straight traitor?

USA Public Are Fooled! Michelle Obama is very likely a Man, Barrack is alleged to be a Homosexual



You laugh? Ridiculous? Then you know nothing about male anatomy, especially the index to ring finger ratio.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio#Digit_ratio_distribution


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2EKzoh6AAo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv5Xwa44u8A

http://www.thelastgreatstand.com/lgs/2014/07/06/joan-rivers-bombshell-barack-obama-is-homosexual-and-michelle-is-a-tranny/

http://www.thelastgreatstand.com/lgs/2014/04/27/obama-childhood-friend-obama-a-cocaine-smoking-homosexual-pathological-liar/


The powers-that-be are playing with us. They even did murals at the Denver airport to show us what stupid sheep we are, bought off by our silly ideologies such as feminism, gay rights, right to have sex with animals, etc., while stuffing us full of sitcoms, action thrillers, pop culture, debt, and government welfare to keep us preoccupied. They are doing all this right in front of our faces so that they can verify that we are the foolish compliant sheep ripe to be herded and culled.

http://thechive.com/2012/03/08/something-is-rotten-in-the-denver-airport-25-photos/

http://kwout.com/cutout/x/7b/mj/bqs_bor.jpghttp://kwout.com/cutout/8/z5/g9/4x5_bor.jpg

http://kwout.com/cutout/n/vt/pa/z8p_bor.jpghttp://kwout.com/cutout/f/g3/zx/5az_bor.jpg

http://kwout.com/cutout/c/w6/h3/6t9_bor.jpghttp://kwout.com/cutout/u/ms/7q/s2u_bor.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Inscriptions



http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/24/learning-to-love/



http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/10/01/what-socialism-destroyed-govt-shutdown/

Yeah, they have been militarizing police for quite a while now in terms of training and lately they've been given military grade weaponry to use against the citizenry plus you have the DHS with billions of hollow point ammunition. The domestic threat far outpaces anything they can stir up abroad.

You remind me of "Dr." Eugene Porter. This is not to be mistaken for a compliment.

I can survive on grass. I am eating grass now. I can run long distances. I can operate with full rationality and concentration until extreme stress and sleep deprivation. My very difficult life is preparing me well.

How about you?

USA civilian rebellion will be severe due to our "can do" culture

http://www.peakprosperity.com/comment/163287#comment-163287



http://www.peakprosperity.com/comment/163299#comment-163299



http://www.peakprosperity.com/comment/170755#comment-170755

Will you be alive if it comes true? xD
And you seem familiar. Are you the new account of Anonimint or something? lol

edit: and I see that you still don't know what socialism is lol.

Jaysabi, I am willing to put my real name here and my permanent contact info.

Will you accept my challenge to do this same?

Because I want to make sure I can call you out when all this comes true and see what your reaction is then.

How are you going to feel when everything I have written comes true? Honestly? Will you feel any shame for being a dumb-ass?

I remember you from the discussion of Obama's take-over plan for the internet, a.k.a. net neutrality regulation. You are a socialist pig. Your type of thinking dies hard in chaos, deprivation, and mega-death.

Btw, I see another thread on this topic:

Oh good, as long as there's a reliable cyclical model to base on this on. For a second, I was worried this was ridiculous.

Well, damn.

Should I save my beer or drink it?

A Russian EMP attack will instantly put the USA back in the pre-electricity age and there will be massive chaos and deprivation.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/25/china-kicking-obamas-ass/

http://www.%77%73j.com/articles/james-woolsey-and-peter-vincent-pry-the-growing-threat-from-an-emp-attack-1407885281

http://www.lightsoutusa.com/vsl/index.php?split=3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse#Soviet_Test_184

http://www.rense.com/general76/reak.htm


There is mutiny within the USA military waiting to pounce on the opportunity to do a military coup.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/07/25/all-signs-point-to-a-coming-emp-attack-upon-the-united-states/