Topic: USA vs RUSSIA (Read 3223 times)

I'll be honest and say that I do not know that much about particular weapons or systems of defense (maybe you are a military). However, there are a few more roads to MAD than just dropping bombs over cities.

As far as I know is forbidden to explode atomics bombs on space (or was the high atmosphere) and the reason is that if you do that an EMP is created. With enough bombs it could be possible (in theory) to destroy every satellite and almost all electronics on earth. Taking us to a pre Industrial Revolution era (or maybe even a dark age)

Another way will be with the use of biological weapons, if Russia was losing a hypothetical WWIII and they faced total destruction, they might as well destroy the whole human race, after all Russia will have nothing to lose at that point.

This war is a cold one, but nature is warming it up.
Posturing is always necessary or some one takes a look at the cookies and decides to have a nibble.
Watch any American President and his body language with potentially hostile Countries, its exaggerated on purpose. Bigger board, bigger exaggerations.

how long this war will continue? 

your wrong too no one will win we will all be dead..but this will never happen..its all done for money and to lower the population  and to control the little people
i believe the super rich call us the little people..

nope

You are wrong. Russia will win the coming nuclear war. 

This conversation is pointless. It's obvious that american military forces are way stronger than russian. American tehnology is just better. American economy several times bigger. And there is just more people living in america. But this war is impossible because russia has nuclear weapons.

The Russians claim that their S-400 Triumf air-defense system is effective against all types of MIRV. Also, the American MIRV technology is not as much advanced as that of the Russians. With the development of the S-500, the capability of the Americans to launch a nuclear strike against the Russians will be greatly reduced.

US military is stronger but nowadays I don't think anyone would be interested in this kind of conflict - USA isn't involved enough in Eastern Europe and Russia is too weak to pose a real threat to them

absolutely USA.
we know if the reference currency is Dollars America.
and the country  superpower have recognized in this world is USA.
although the two country still having hostility each other.
and want to maintain or fight to be number one country.

That is why the US and Russia developed MIRV's/MARV's which makes a defense not possible/extremely difficult.

M.A.D. is still working today.

It is partially correct. Having a  larger army does not guarantee anyone a sure shot victory in warfare. Still, it can offer an initial advantage to the warring sides. And having nuclear weapons alone is not enough. Without quality ICBMs, the nukes will be useless. Also, if the opposing side is having good air-defense systems, the nuclear attack will be difficult. 

The stronger army belongs to US but it's irrelevant. Army's were made irrelevant by the development of nuclear weapons. If an hypothetical WWIII were to happen MAD will be assured, especially if we take into account the most fearsome of all the weapons... Biological Weapons.

Well, history says one thing about who can win a war with Vietnam.

It says...

Don't fuck with Vietnam...

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Russia's military is based on a defense doctrine. This is where their strengths lie. They would never attempt to invade Europe or America as it would most certainly not be successful. Likewise, any attempted invasion of Russia would also end in miserable failure.  Russia has some of the best air defense and ballistic missile technology in the world. I guarantee you NATO and the USA would not be able to successfully invade Russia.

Here is a good article on the subject:

http://thesaker.is/the-russia-u-s-conventional-military-balance/

Why bean counting makes absolutely no sense

The typical reply to this kind of question resorts to what US force planners call “bean counting”. Typically, journalists use the yearly IISS Military Balance or a source like Global Firepower and tallies of the number of men, main battle tanks, armored personnel carries, infantry combat vehicles, combat aircraft, artillery pieces, bombers, missiles, surface ships, submarines, etc. each side has a presents them in a chart. The reality is that such bean counting means absolutely and strictly nothing. Let’s take a simple example: if a war happens between, say, China and Russia then the fact that China has, say, 1000 thanks in it’s Yunnan province, will make no difference to the war at all, simply because they are too far. When we apply this caveat to the Russian-US conventional military balance we immediately ought to ask ourselves the following two basic questions:

a) What part of the US military worldwide would be immediately available to the US commanders in case of a war with Russia?

b) On how much reinforcements could this force count and how soon could they get there?

Keep in mind that tanks, bombers, soldiers and artillery do not fight separately – they fight together in what is logically called “combined arms” battles. So even the USA could get X number of soldiers to location A, if they don’t have all the other combined arms components to support them in combat they are just an easy target.

Furthermore, any fighting force will require a major logistics/supplies effort. It is all very well to get aircraft X to location A, but if it’s missiles, maintenance equipment and specialists are not here to help, they are useless. Armored forces are notorious for expending a huge amount of petroleum, oil and lubricants. According to one estimate, in 1991 a US armored division could sustain itself for only 5 days , and after that it needed a major support effort.

Finally, any force that the US would move from point A to point B would become unavailable to execute its normally assigned role at point A. Now consider that “point A” could mean the Middle-East, or Far East Asia and you will see that this might be a difficult decision for US commanders.

If we fight a nuclear war , we lose. Does it matter if there are a few Russian or Americans left who can decide that they won?

i should think is USA,
USA entrhone and showed if it is superpower country in  this world.
and the two country "USA and Russia" is make a war, and take a part if there are neighbor or two country have a war.
like in thailand long time ago, and now in middle east.

USA of course, but they are a democracy, and Russia has as secret service the biggest orgnization ever seen by manking.

With some losses and some inteligence USA would not want to keep warring

In 10-15 years Russia will suffer the eating and not overtake USA in military tech, And not only in military but in any way. You think that a war will bring the peace? Strange imagination of one way to arrive the peace...

yeah, two superpower country in the earth.
with make world war...
i know, and everyone know if USA is more powerwull than ever.
the two countrys want to fight and showed who is more powerfull in this world?
  prestige from each make neighbor country take a part join it and choose of the two USA or RUSSIA?
like as North Korea and South korea, right?

The destruction of the United States should bring peace and prosperity to the mankind. Completely agreeing with that. But I don't think that Russia can overtake the US in a decade or two. They might be able to overtake the Americans in some specific sectors. But the overall advantage will remain with the United States.

I gree w this.

This is absolutely true. I think in 10 to 15 years Russia will overtake USA in military tech. Then destruction of USA is finally possible to bring peace and prosperity to mankind.

I do not care who will win the war, as long as they do not destroy the world with nuclear weapons. But, I voted for Russia because of Putin LOL

The American technological advantage has been declining for the last 10-15 years, due to neglect. On the other hand, Russia has succeeded in recapturing the number one position in a few military sectors, with their new and innovative weaponry. A few examples are the S-400, T-14, Sukhoi PAK FA, Yasen-class submarine.etc.

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I think Russia has the best army, if you are comparing that with US army. But if its all about weapons, so I guess US is better, since it has newest technology than Russia.

Russian population is much more widely distributed, when compared to that of the US. Also, their air-defense systems are much better when compared to the similar systems being operated by the United States. Russia also possesses almost two-times as many nuclear weapons when compared to the United States. Russia possess the most powerful ballistic missile manufactured to date (SS-18 Satan). These are some of their advantages.

no

russia will win nuclear war if it launches first. russia has larger land mass and population is not dense, some of the russian population will survive.

In my view, the better question is not who has a bigger army, but who has a better policy and diplomacy geared towards preservation of peace.

Russia has is share of bad experience with arms races, and is not about to be drawn into another one. As such Russia's main aim (pun intended) in the military sector is defence. These are cheaper to produce and maintain, but they offer little to know offensive capabilities.

So Russia will continue doing the two things it's been doing lately:
1. Maintain its defensive capabilities to dissuade anyone from attacking it again
2. Continuing with the peace-building diplomacy to create and anti-war, pro-economy coalition.

Incidentally, two articles on a slightly related topic:

The Neglected Russian Gift to the American People, Geopolitics of the Middle East and Putin
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/08/17/the-neglected-russian-gift-to-the-american-people-geopolitics-of-the-middle-east-and-putin/

Russia Means Peace
http://stanislavs.org/russia-means-peace/

I think that the Russian army is much better than the Us army. They are in the background, watch everything and wait to attack, on the other hand United States of America is a country that knows everything and is a part of everything so Russia knows what USA can do. It would be bad if something happen between USA and Russia, we would all be dead for sure.

NUkes... one cannot defeat any large military..

This is the final answer. Knowing that USA and Russia both have access to weapons of mass destruction: atomic bombs, chemical nukes and other terrible weapons we even don't know about yet.
The income of total war is only destruction of everything on Earth, well, maybe not whole Earth but Russia and USA for sure. War are not determined who is right and who is wrong - only by who is left.

Yeah, let's all launch our nukes and see how many "winners" there are. 

Although USA is the most powerful, another world war would most likely end in complete destruction of many countries. We are now able to blow up the Moon or change Earth's orbit with nuclear blasts. I hope we won't live to see it happen. By the way, here's a small compare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtP7igBSUXI

watch it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taUUbhfZlbA



WATCH WHY IS USA !

China might be having the largest army (in terms of the number of soldiers), but they don't rank among the top 3 armed forces in the world, in terms of battle capability. Even the Japanese self defense forces rank higher than the PLA. The Chinese military technology is outdated and of low-quality. Most of their military technology was stolen from other nations, such as Russia and France.

It is very difficult to know which one has the largest army. I think in the survey lack the largest army in the world, China.

History is the evidence of how a short army has won over a massive army which clears one thing that its all about fate which can change the real time history. However, USA's Area 51 is something about which the world doesn't know much. It might have some huge weapons inside. A war is never favorable but sometimes people have to get into a war and its consequences.

I am not surprised. United States is more tolerant to illegal immigrants from the third world, when compared to Russia. If you don't know Russian, and if you are having an Asian or African physical appearance, then you'll face discrimination in some parts of Russia.


It was a torture reading your post and trying to comprehend what you actually meant. My conclusion is: you are watching too many Hollywood movies. Get out of your house, and try to understand what is going on around the world.

United States of America together with NATO is obviously stronger. No doubt about that. But they cannot start a war with Russia couse responce will be devastating. Russia has the same amount of nuclear weapons as the america.

USA and always USA. Not only the strongest army but the strongest all in everything. First of all strongest in mind. If you are the mind you are everything. All the cultivated people from all over the world try to immigrate to USA and not to Russia. This make the strongest army in the world for every nation. Those minds will produce the best there where they will live and this will make that country strongest and strongest in every thing. Army is one thing but if we think about the economy (which, among other, destroy the URSS, the predecessor of Russia) this is another point of force which will eliminate even that potential good army that Russia may have in our days. Without economy there no is resources and with no resources will not be evolution in nothing: army firstly.

What is the point in winning a war if 95% of your population is dead? By the time Russia is militarily defeated, the vast majority of the American citizens will be dead or handicapped. And just imagine what will happen, if China or Iran launches an assault on the United States immediately afterwards. Defeating Russia with much difficulty, only to be defeated by China?

USA, by quite a bit.

I think Russia's strength is mostly in Putin's posturing. Any President riding horseback with guns and no shirt has to have a balls out military, right?

I'd be more concerned about the strength of the China military.

As a Canadian I do not like being in the middle of any war. Think northern sovereignty would be a good tipping point.

You are only as big as the friends allies you keep and do not see China batting one for Russia on any potential fallout.
So Russia would have to strike first for any potential win in a full out war. Based on numbers America is the dominant power.

Yeah, everyone is fucked if the US and Russia decide to go in an all-out nuclear war. If we pin all the US military forces with Russian military sources, my guess would be that the last people standing would be wearing the US flag. If we pin the US navy vs Russian navy, etc. etc. Department by department, excluding nuclear weapons, I think the US would end on top. I base it in that the US spends much more in its military than any other country. If I remember correctly, it spent as much as the second, third and fourth places in military spending together.

So unless the Russians have some kind of secret super-soldiers, a war without nuclear weapons, if it an all-out thing, the US would win.

And what makes you think that the American military might be capable of defeating either Russia or China, or even Iran? A conflict between Russia and United States is likely to end in stalemate, without any of the warring sides achieving a complete victory. Also, if the nuclear weapons are used, then there is also a chance that most of the planet will remain uninhabitable for the next few thousand years.

Nearly all military experts believe the entire world cannot defeat the US military. It's difficult to somehow twist that logic into Russia or China beating the US military.

What do You think who has the strongest army in the world