Topic: usagi, NYAN, BMF do not own DMC shares (Read 2881 times)

The ironic thing is that if I had not released my holdings publicly (we were one of the only funds which did so) or if I had been secretive and withdrawn, no one would have questioned whether or not we held 1300 DMC. Diablo was one of the people I worked most closely with and I even represented him to help him get his company back after Nefario froze his assets. So why did Diablo make the OP? Because he could... BMF stuck out from every other fund; everyone knew exactly what we were doing at all times. Silly me, I thought people wanted transparency. So people naturally assumed I was lying or scamming when I didn't update the charts for a couple days or I made a mistake. It was pretty harsh.

In this instance I claimed the shares semi-anonymously so that I would be on the same ground as everyone else... I didn't want people pretending we weren't on their lists. Not knowing who we were on the claim list, it would be difficult to target us and pretend we weren't on the list. The last thing I needed was someone claiming I was scamming and that we didn't really hold the assets we claimed we did. And yet that's what happened anyway.

I'm pretty sure there's a lesson to be learned from all of this...

Whatever happened to distrusting the list Nefario supplies? I didn't know people were bickering with each other over names/emails on said lists. Though, I'm guessing Diablo was covering his ass in the case that you claimed to not receive shares from him.

I am happy to report BMF is now in receipt of 1,300 shares of DMC (and 10 more held by NYAN).

I would never dream of claiming something that wasn't true. Like you did when you said I didn't own any DMC. That was stupid and very damaging to me.

And I didn't ragequit you moron. I posted what happened. Sheesh you really are stupid.

There, I sent the 5 BTC. Now you can't claim I don't pay people that I owe.

I think last time I asked was before you ragequit IRC for over a month.

Where did you ask? There's no record of it on here as I'm aware.

You can send it to my firstbits. It's my well-known public address.

1usagi8WQJvnCoyV21XSZyUHhC6MzfksW

You never gave me an address to send the 5 BTC to. I asked repeatedly for it.

Nobody is going to 'roll over and die' before every single issue with your businesses has been cleared.

Just process your claims. As of right now I have zero e-mails from you on the claim address, so I have no idea what you're planning to do. Your most recent forum post says you're going to list on bitfunder. Great, go do that. It's very convenient since BMF is also listed on bitfunder right now.

but I don't see how it's your job to go picking through the claims list and then troll the forums because you don't see an e-mail address you recognize. Are you really that stupid? That you would make such a dumb statement that I don't own any shares just because you don't recognize my e-mail address? I expected more from you. But being honest I don't know why.

I supported you. I owned 50% of DMC for a long time. I represented you and got your asset back for you and you turned around and stiffed me.. i.e. ripped me off... on the 5 bitcoins you said you would pay me for representing you. And now this. Diablo.. you suck... seriously. I can't believe you would say something so stupid as what you did in this thread. I was not making any noise whatsoever about BMF and DMC. Some people even thought I had sold it. I had not presented any asset lists for BMF or any other company. I was not claiming ownership publicly. So the whole premise that I was scamming people is STUPID. Never mind the mammoth fk'up you made since I actually am on the list.

I wish you and other dumbass trolls would just roll over and die. What a monumental waste of time this has become for me. You and this stupid thread are the best example I could ask for regarding why this forum sucks and is not a good place to do business. Why don't you just do your job and stop bothering me?

He only has to confirm with me what the email address is. I will process all the claims no matter what, but I find it very strange he won't confirm what the email he used for the claims process is. Given what is status quo around these parts, I just don't want usagi to scam his shareholders.

I think what usagi is saying is that his claim for shares IS in Diablo's list - just Diablo jumped the gun because he didn't recognise any email on the list as being usagi's.  Usagi could have used an entirely different email on GLBSE (to the ones Diablo knew he used), in which case he likely already has an email from Diablo confirming the shares (though Diablo doesn't realise it's usagi) so KNOWS his claim has been forwarded.  If that's the case then this thread is pointless and the title is untrue.  Obviously I have no idea if that's the case.

I checked back to see where I got the impression usagi had sold DMC for 0.1 - turns out that was just nyan.b's DMC (the ones obtained in the interesting swap), not all of them.

My instinct and the available facts tell me that on this particular issue usagi is telling the truth and Diablo just jumped to a wrong conclusion.

No, I am saying you have a mental problem. try re-reading post #7 for example. I'm dealing with this like it should be dealt with -- directly with Diablo, from the address on record which he received from Nefario. I don't owe you shit -- you're not involved. I'm not any different from any other asset issuer and I don't have to do what you demand, you're not special, and you're not even a client, and you've shown just how mentally retarded you are in this thread by failing to think even when it's been pointed out to you in several different ways that you are wrong.

Go away. Nothing you have ever said regarding me or my companies is true, and it's blatantly obvious now that I have begun paying people back.

Are you saying DiabloD3 is lying?

Then shut the fk up and go respond to the form letter you were sent regarding your share of BMF as a NYAN.A holder and stop being an asshole. I don't have time for your bullshit anymore and I am completely within my rights to charge you for my time. I do not owe you customer support, and I do not owe you any service. Go respond whether or not you want your shares liquidated or not. It's rather stupid of you to whine when you have been in receipt of this letter for a few days now. Do you want me to post it publicly? 30 other investors received the same letter. You're not special except perhaps mentally.

You're not my client.


I don't care what you think. My clients have received and will be receiving letters detailing their holdings and will be able to choose liquidation or transfer of assets. Including quite a number of DMC shares. So you can go fuck yourself.

You owe transparency to your clients.

Nobody trusts you anymore. If you fuck this up, and cannot explain what happened, you have scammed your clients.

I guess you completely missed the point. Pull your panties up, I am not here to butt-fk you
For you 2 to clean up this mess, you (suagi) need to get the final portfolio holdings report for NYAN.* and for all the other portfolios under your management.
Those reports will show clearly, what you had and what you did not have. At the moment it sounds like you reported to have over thousand DMC shares but numbers do not add up on DMC side.

Third party is only involved to make sure, that nobody can say "I do not trust that usagi guy blaa blaa blaa".
This is simple and clean way to end this drama for good. An yes, you can save your face... or not.

No it isn't. I don't owe you an explanation why diablo doesn't have an e-mail address that says usagi in it.

Although, if you really want to embarrass yourself, go ahead and open a scam accusation forum post on it -- lol?

YOU issued these securities and have responsibility for your investors money.

If you do not show good intent by transparently clearing up this misunderstanding, for example by following the advice given above, you are deliberately pissing away more of your investors money.

That is scamming.

I'm no different than any other issuer. If you want to blow smoke go ahead -- they're your shares. But if you think I owe you a CC or an explanation for why an e-mail address containing my name doesn't appear on Diablo's record, you're even dumber than I had thought based on everything you've said over the past couple months. I mean come on -- now you're just begging

I think it's time you write a letter to James and add someone else to CC. You have my address, you can use me. 
Ask James to reply with portfolio statement so you an the third party receives the e-mail.
This is the only clean way to end this for good.

1. why the hell are you singling me out?
2. Just because I didn't use an address with 'usagi' in it doesn't mean we didn't hold any DMC. We had a lot of DMC shares.
3. You still owe me 5 bitcoins. You'll probably never pay.

Then why make a fool of yourself and post them?

I had a copies of hes spreadsheets, that he has deleted from his site.
Those are probably not up to date because usagis NAV calculations where out of sync with reality.
I am sure that James can print out the final holdings of those portfolios. I think that this is the only way, we can find out, what was really going on.


Usagis "official" http://tsukino.ca/cpa/nyan/ etc site was extremely unreliable source of information even when GLBSE was up and running.
I waned to see what the real NAV is, so I made copies of his broken and unreliable official! spreadsheets.

If he did, I'm not aware of it. I bought back half the shares out there, I don't know who owned them. Its possible I wiped him out, but I can't find any of his former threads to see if he actually told his shareholders or not.

Thought usagi sold his shares back to you for 0.1 each shortly after DMC got unlocked by nefario.

OH... GTFO... You trying to say usagi is a liar and a scammer? No one will believe in that. Better provide us with more data.

I've been looking over my claim reports for DMC from nefario.... and there are no email addresses that match "bmf", "nyan", or "tsukino.ca". There is also 320 shares unaccounted for, which is a magnitude less than what usagi claimed BMF and NYAN held.