Topic: usdt non custodial wallet on laptop similar to electrum suggestions pls (Read 253 times)

There are plenty of wallet for that but i don't think that my etherwallet supports multichain functionality. As there are a growing number of EVM-compatible blockchains and people are using different types of blockchain to move their assets, I think using a multi-blockchain wallet like Metamask is a good option. Users can add a custom network over there and in most cases non custodial wallets don't support custom network integration. Most of the time we use a browser to use crypto apps so using an extension is always the most convenient option.

Scammers don't care what kind of wallet you use - they just want to trick you into handing over your keys or personal info somehow.  If you click on a shady link or open a weird attachment, you could still lose everything even with one of those fancy new wallets. 

The only real protection is watching out for the usual red flags and never clicking on random links or downloads from strangers.  You've also got to be careful what details you put out there online.  And I dont care how legit a site looks, never, ever enter your private keys/seed phrases online.

Myetherwallet could serve your purpose. It's a non custodial wallet and supports USDT on many networks.
USDT (Tether) is a ERC token to start with so it doesn't have its own blockchain, the preferred non-custodial wallet to hold ERC tokens is metamask.
If Ethereum is costly to operate with, than USDT on BSC and Polygon could be a good alternative, both of the network are supported by metamask. Other alternative for metamask could be myetherwallet or Trust wallet.

Adding to this got this email from an email spammer landing on my inbox;

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Since I understand you may have a false sense of safety based on assumed computational power required and luck please see here actual proof of malicious parties literally running a saas with bring your own wallet address list so they will crack them and split profits no upfront investment so imagine how big the threat is.

https://imgur.com/Vyjosen

Oh yeah and incase anyone here think those guys can't suceed and selling snake oil I checked and lots of unethical clients of theirs were successful in getting their ill gotten gains and proud to display screenshots and feedback too.

So now I am looking for seedless wallets for laptop that support the main chains like usdt, dai, usdc, trc, bnb etc

All computers in the worlds combined are extremely unlikely to find it, even if they keep running for 10 years. Oh, wait, even the whole computer in the world also has minuscule power computation and is inefficient to brute force a cryptocurrency wallet.

The reason why BIP39 is widely used in the cryptocurrency industry is that it is considered secure. For your information, BIP39 is the mechanism of wallet generation.


Either scenario has a near-zero rate of success. That is why I point it out.

Here is the thing, Electrum supports 2FA, but I don't know if there is any for an altcoin. It is uncommon for a non-custodial wallet to implement 2FA. By that aspect, you should have known better that there is a reason most wallet does not implement it.

This is what google also says "The hacker can use your seed phrase to create a new wallet that accesses your funds."

What you are stating is if a hacker deliberately targets you and then try to crack your seed phrase, this is not what I am talking about and is not what these people are doing(since it would take too long). What these people do is simply randomly try all possible seed phrases automatically till they land on one which has a balance on the wallet. So it can be anyones wallet they don't care and simply go on collecting balances. Thus eventually it can be your wallet too.

Random online reference as well;
And they talk how long it takes to get all 2048^24 variations.

When in really it also may take 1 sec and by luck someone can get access to wallet with balance.

P.S. Developer from trezor one said that an average pc can make 480 million possibilities in 24 hours.

I just wonder how much an eth mining farm can do in 1 year.

Another reference;
I got 8 random account without automatisation process... You just have to search in a restrained dictionnary and it'll work ...

so are you going to wish on luck to protect your hard earned money? since it doesn't matter how many variations there is going to be if it is static someone will get it and as I said earlier there is no recourse for your funds.

So please let us find a proper wallet with support for chains like TRC 20, SOL etc which have low gas fees and 2FA auth codes to restore wallet

Tell me you don't know about seed phrases and machine learning without telling me you don't know about seed phrases and machine learning.

I have already suggested you try to comprehend what seed phrases are all about, but it seems you don't even have any willingness to understand them. You can simply search with the keyword "seed phrase brute force", and there will be a ton of information about how it can't be brute forced, with the current technological capability and other supporting examples. Nevertheless, I am completely sure you won't believe it since you are lacking a basic sense of how cryptocurrency, especially the wallet, works.

Actually it is not all 2048 since these hackers use machine learning to get the most common phrases narrowed down and word count of seed phrases also narrowed down due to previous successful iterations. And these guys simply run their programs continuously 24/7.  As I said earlier these programs are fully automated so it will keep trying on seed phrases till they hit a wallet with a balance and then it's game over for the user.

In this context it has too much incentive for these nefarious parties to do this and already some are. So this we discuss as if one hacker did this now imagine this being done in a more commercial way running on 10-20pcs running like x10 programs per pc do you think it will take for ever for your wallet to fall victim if so you are sadly mistaken.

Yeah sure some will be safe for a couple of years but that fateful day would be coming eventually....

Well you may ask then why my PayPal or bank won't get hacked if they would do that and then only in crypto it can happen or why people would be putting money in crypto.

PayPal or bank or any digital wallet is having a means of recourse both legally and financially where recovery of funds is possible but in cyrpto once a transfer is done it is done and there is no possibility for legal recourse due to decentralised nature.

People put money in crypto trusting it would be safe if u have control of your own keys but they don't know it could be brute forced with these advanced tech due to static nature of seed and no retry preventative methods to prevent many failed entries.

My point is, suppose cryptocurrency wallets are easily crackable, then simply the market just won't exist. I'm talking about the market net worth, not the subject of the hacker' who are getting away.

To put it simply 1 in 5444517870735015415413993718908291383296 or 2048^12 chances, does it sound "very much possible" to you? I get that humans are bad with big numbers. Picture it like this, how possibly does you find someone's grain of sand within this world?

Or simply answer this, why do we still haven't hear someone crack Satoshi's wallet or any big exchange addresses? Well, because it simply the success probability of cracking a seed phrase is near zero.

The marketcap of crypto will be unaffected due to hacking:
Since users put their hard earned money into seed only protected wallets and assume it is safe. Then a hackers program randomly by chance or luck guesses the matching seed phrase on whatever wallet u had Ur crypto then they simply transfer it to their wallet and then very slowly over several months and many transactions to mix origin done and cash out. So effectively crypto market cap unaffected only now hacker has the crypto user does not.

It is not just plausible but very much possible and a very high security threat and any wallet developers who have not realized this is putting users money at risk.

This also makes sense why even well experienced crypto ppl keep their money on CEX like Binance due to availability of uncrackable 2FA thanks to Google auth, Microsoft Auth, Authly etc since code changes every 20seconds to match that u need x10 computing power needed to crack the seed phrases on normal wallets.

So please help me find a DEX or Non custodial wallet which uses this technology

Suppose brute forcing seed phrases are plausible. People won't even use cryptocurrency, and the cryptocurrency market won't have a one trillion dollar market cap, as the current CMC data. There is simply no use if it is crackable.

I suggest you learn more about the differences between wallet and seed phrases. And do in mind there are various types of wallets, e.g. web wallets, desktop wallets, etc. If you truly comprehend it, you will understand why people are not dumb enough to use a broken system.

In regard to point 2, show me the example of the issues, and I'm sure it is not the wallet's fault, instead, it is the users.

Hmm lots of smokes and screens then but anyways as the saying goes you cannot escape the law. But in terms of it being safe from delisting remains potentially true.

And with regard to MEW wallet the reviews are just as bad on TP does it have 2FA with Google?

You're completely wrong here!

USDC is also centralized stablecoin just like USDT, the difference is only the company which issue the token. 2 years ago Centre's CEO froze someone USDC coin by blacklist the address [1] which mean if you hold your USDC in your non custodial wallet, your USDC token can be frozen too.

The only trusted decentralized stablecoin which can't get frozen is DAI.

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[1] https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2020/07/08/circle-confirms-freezing-100k-in-usdc-at-law-enforcements-request/

Years ago I used to use armoury to sign my Omni transactions for tether and it was in complete cold storage. However many exchanges these days no longer accept tether from the Omni protocol. Because it seems inefficient. Hence I had to switch to erc20.

This is your only choice now if you want cold storage. Use MEW offline or get a hardware wallet and you can keep your tether safe this way. As long as your verify your downloads you shouldn’t have a problem. And don’t store your seeds somewhere unsafe such as on cloud storage. Keep it inside your house somewhere.

You were right chaintip is legit and that person actually had sent BCH used a Binance wallet address to collect and converted to USDT just to be sure and it is 100% legit.

Also good advice on USDT will consider USDC

Here is a list of searches I did and their answers;
is usdc and ustc the same?

No, they are not the same. USDC is a stablecoin backed by the US dollar, while USTC is a stablecoin backed by the Chinese yuan.

does Binance support USDC?

Yes, Binance supports the USDC stablecoin.

can I convert BCH to USDC inside Binance?

Yes, you can convert BCH to USDC inside Binance.

Is USDT non custodial?

No, USDT is not non-custodial. It is a custodial stablecoin, meaning that the user's funds are held by a third party.

Is USDC non custodial?

Yes, USDC is a non-custodial stablecoin, meaning that the user's funds are not held by a third party.

what is safer USDC or USDT?

USDC is generally considered to be safer than USDT because it is a non-custodial stablecoin, meaning that the user's funds are not held by a third party.

can anyone freeze USDC?

No, USDC is a decentralized stablecoin, meaning that no one can freeze the funds.

can any government takedown USDC?

No, USDC is a decentralized stablecoin, meaning that no government can take it down.

can any government takedown USDT?

Yes, USDT is a custodial stablecoin, meaning that a government could take it down if they wanted to.

who owns rights to USDC?

The rights to USDC are owned by CENTRE, a consortium of Circle and Coinbase.

is CENTRE a registered company?

Yes, CENTRE is a registered company in the state of Delaware.

so if CENTRE gets indiction to take down USDC can it be done?

No, USDC is a decentralized stablecoin, meaning that CENTRE cannot take it down.

Why not? If they have the rights to it?

Because USDC is a decentralized stablecoin, meaning that no one entity has control over it. It is managed by a distributed network of computers, so no single entity can take it down.

Ok but then how can CENTRE own rights to it if so?

CENTRE owns the rights to the USDC protocol, which is the technology used to power the USDC stablecoin. They do not own the USDC tokens themselves, which are owned by the individuals who hold them.

can you takedown the technology used to power USDC and the USDC will be a goner?

No, even if the technology used to power USDC is taken down, the USDC tokens will still be in circulation and can still be used as a form of payment.

would Binance have a reason to delist USDC?

Binance may delist USDC if they believe that it is no longer a viable asset or if it violates any of their policies.

In this case what would happen to our the USDC tokens kept at Binance?

If Binance delists USDC, users can still withdraw their USDC tokens from Binance and store them in a secure wallet.

Do they give a time limit to do so or any time can?

If Binance delists USDC, they will usually give users a certain amount of time to withdraw their tokens before the delisting is effective.

what happens if we missed that time given?

If you miss the time given to withdraw your USDC tokens, your tokens may be lost.

How can it be recovered?

It may not be possible to recover your USDC tokens if you miss the time given to withdraw them.

Why not?

This is because, once they are delisted, they may no longer be accessible to you.

But it is to Binance right?

Yes, the USDC tokens are still stored on Binance, but if they are delisted, you may no longer be able to access them.

But Binance can?

Yes, Binance may still be able to access the USDC tokens, but they will not be accessible to you.

Maybe they can transfer it for us?

No, Binance will not transfer your USDC tokens for you. You must withdraw them yourself before the delisting is effective.

How likely is it for USDC to get delisted?

It is unlikely that USDC will be delisted, as it is a popular stablecoin and is widely used by many exchanges and users.

There is some misinformation from your understanding.

1. seed phrases have near zero chance to be brute-forced if you generate and store them properly.
2. most robbed users from the Exodus and Atomic wallet are very likely caused by the user's mistakes, not the wallet itself. AFAIK, there hasn't been known urgent security problem from both wallets.
3. The issue from Tronlink is not a hack, it is a widely known scam attempt that happens widely. Every Tron wallet will have the same issue.

If you seeking a simple and secure cold storage option, using a hardware wallet is surely worth it. It is more convenient than another manual cold storage method.

TRC is the standard of tokens built using Tron Blockchain (if I remember right, there are TRC10 and TRC20 similar to ERC20 in ethereum environment).

Moreover there are various none custodial tron wallets. TronLink is best among them according to me. It has both mobile app and browser extensions. Coinomi doesn't support TRC20 tokens. But, trustwallet does support TRC20 tokens as per I checked recently. So, you can use trustwallet too. Other than these two I don't suggest using any other wallets for tron based tokens.

USDT is a centralized token and it can be frozen inside your non custodial wallet, which mean it's not 100% safe even though you've use non custodial wallet, you can't stop or prevent the creator to freeze your token.

USDT is mainly run in ETH network, it's better if you use trezor or ledger if you want to be more secure rather than use non custodial wallet but the device is unsecure and has a lot applications that will compromise your device.

Did you mean this one? https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/ziyylu/a_random_tip/

Based on the picture of that's thread, I don't see anything suspicious since he's only ask for BCH address, it would be different if they ask you to submit private key, seed phrase or ask for additional fee to unlock the reward. There's no way you can get hacked if you only share your BCH address.

Also does anyone know if chaintip is a legit site since apparently a random user called erogand tipped 10USD it seems and a message came via Reddit saying to claim it give a BCH address, is it legit?

Thank you for the great explanation, helped me actually research and realize that actually storing on Electrum itself is risky to a certain extent since can brute force 12word seed phrase but there is a pin requirement on login/import which is kind of comforting, but on Exodus not sure if have a pin to login+seed or only seed. But it seems Exodus has been hacked or support staff there has robbed some customers and also they charge a % for withdrawing which is very shady for a non custodial wallet. Gas fee understandable but this is not that. Atomic problem is lower security and again % being charged. Tron link super prone to hacks most common one seems the displayed address switch so when customer copies address it is not address shown by Tronlink but the intruders and they seem to have no idea how to patch it and have not given any proper support to those effected...

What I am currently trying to do is diversify Crypto storage from Binance via USDT or USDC to non custodial wallets to spread the risk out. Hope there is any better software based cold wallets which support these currencies and exchange with Binance?

Although Tron is an EVM-compatible network, it is not an EVM-based chain that Metamask supports. So, AFAIK, the Tron network can't be used on Metamask since it is built on its own VM (Tron Virtual Machine).


There is plenty of non-custodial wallets, but many of them are not open source. Take a look at https://tron.network/wallet?lng=en.

If you specifically need a desktop wallet, Exodus and Atomic is one of many popular wallets that supports TRX. Do note that it multi-cryptocurrency wallet, so, if you don't need specifically need for other or many purposes, using the extension-based wallet would be simple. Tronlink seems the popular choice for Tron ecosystem users.

Yes, Binance does support USDT on the TRON blockchain, as well as many other EVM-compatible chains. In this case, I would recommend using Metamask as your wallet. It is a non-custodial wallet.  It can add any EVM-compatible chains (Ethereum, TRON, Binance Smart Chain, etc.) and it is widely used, which makes it easy to find help in case of any problems. Note that Metamask's default chain is Ethereum, so if you want to use other blockchains such as TRON, you will have to manually change the chain in the wallet settings.

Binance supports multiple chains — Tron, Solana, Ethereum, BSC, etc.

If you're going to need a temporary wallet, probably Trust Wallet? I wouldn't suggest using it for long-term use though.

Understand I think Binance is TRC right so is there any TRC USDT non custodial wallets like Electrum which can be run on the laptop?

I'm not entirely sure if I understood your question correctly, but AFAIK, Binance does not accept USDT on the Omni Layer. This means that it doesn't matter which wallet you're using, you will not be able to deposit USDT on the Omni Layer to Binance.

Note that USDT is available on multiple blockchains, which include Bitcoin (Omni Layer), Ethereum, TRON, and Solana, to name a few. The USDT on one blockchain cannot be transferred to another blockchain. So, for example, if you have USDT on the Omni Layer, you will not be able to send it to an Ethereum wallet, such as Metamask. This is due to the multichain nature of USDT. Pay attention to which blockchain your USDT is on before trying to transfer it to a different wallet or exchange.

Need this wallet to be able to send usdt to Binance, Metamask since I know omni channel no longer supported so omniwallet and coinomi no good right?