Verify ID of marketplace sellers and groupbuy owners

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Quote from: John (John K.) on July 27, 2013, 11:51:22 PM

Yeah, I prefer holding BTC to holding ID as I would be somewhat under suspicion if someone's ID gets out somehow. Having ID is still quite pointless if the user in question jumps to Mexico or gets hit by a bus anyway.

Not to mention it is not that difficult to use someone else's ID, buy one or make one.

Lethn

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Mandatory ID Verifications? Who are we? The government? I'm pretty sure the majority of Bitcoiners went for this currency to avoid that kind of bullshit, if you don't trust someone don't deal with them, it's that simple, I.D Verification won't protect you from your own stupidity.

John (John K.)

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Away on an extended break

Quote from: Raize on July 27, 2013, 02:43:46 PM

The problem with id verification is, like JohnK indicates, it doesn't necessarily remove the likelihood that people could still scam you.

Additionally, the person doing the ID verification would have to trust the other person to:
1) NOT re-use your ID to try to register an account elsewhere.
2) Store it securely.
3) NOT release it to the other person prior to reasonable arbitration of a dispute.

With the exception of maybe Casascius, I'm not sure I'd trust anyone that much, even JohnK (no offense). I especially wouldn't trust this forum without two-factor authentication (and quite possibly even with it). I'd need to know several of this data was stored offline and not subject to arbitrary government jurisdiction of the person storing the data.

Yeah, I prefer holding BTC to holding ID as I would be somewhat under suspicion if someone's ID gets out somehow. Having ID is still quite pointless if the user in question jumps to Mexico or gets hit by a bus anyway.

Raize

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The problem with id verification is, like JohnK indicates, it doesn't necessarily remove the likelihood that people could still scam you.

Additionally, the person doing the ID verification would have to trust the other person to:
1) NOT re-use your ID to try to register an account elsewhere.
2) Store it securely.
3) NOT release it to the other person prior to reasonable arbitration of a dispute.

With the exception of maybe Casascius, I'm not sure I'd trust anyone that much, even JohnK (no offense). I especially wouldn't trust this forum without two-factor authentication (and quite possibly even with it). I'd need to know several of this data was stored offline and not subject to arbitrary government jurisdiction of the person storing the data.

John (John K.)

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Well, I do offer ID verification to whom that requests me to do so (and post a signed statement in the thread they request me to do so), but it's still this in all regards .

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Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

It's still up to the buyers themselves to evaluate the risks and judge the person involved here - ID verification is just a small part in ensuring that someone's not running.

escrow.ms

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Quote from: escrow.ms on July 27, 2013, 06:24:27 AM

I agree ID and cellphone verification should be mandatory for groupbuy otherwise escrow.

lol at cellphone

not lol at escrow

I said "and" not just phone verification. It's better to have more information,and as special said postpaid one not prepaid. User should provide recent bill that matches with his current address.

speciall

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Quote from: escrow.ms on July 27, 2013, 06:24:27 AM

I agree ID and cellphone verification should be mandatory for groupbuy otherwise escrow.

indeed, but cellphone via subscription, no via prepay, because I could buy one and throw away...

In the end the group buys are announced thru the forum,
so forum owner is for a part responsable what happens there, if there is fraud going on, they have to do everything powwible to stop this.

tysat

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Keep it real

95% sure this will not be implemented, it's a good idea I just don't see it happening.

escrow.ms

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I agree ID and cellphone verification should be mandatory for groupbuy otherwise escrow.

speciall

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I want to do a proposal , to help stop fraude & scamming with bitcoin via this forum.

I would like to propose that every forum user that wants to organise a group buy, or wants to sell in the marketplace, need to have his ID verified by the forum owner before he can start a group buy or offer something in the market.

With a verified ID i mean drivers license, ID card, 3 named invoices, Bank accounts,...
pretty like Gox asks to verify and ID.

Personally I find the forum owner shares responsability in scam or fraud cases that go via the forum.

Is it possible to have something like this implemented on very short notice?

I have the feeling that a lot of group buy's of mining machines shares maybe also scam, and also some companies that offer mining machines but don't even succeed in having a valid address or VAT number on their website.

If they have ads here, or announcments, please verify them!

Is this something where the forum owner want to work on? Offcourse this needs some resources, but it would be good for the whole BTC community

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