Topic: VIP level transfer in new casinos* Does it make sense (Read 454 times)

If there is no wagering requirement that mean it's a genuinely nice event.
I haven't checked these kinds of event like the VIP transfer I also don't have idea how it's work. If anyone show fake documents or pretend to be like a VIP on the others casino then how they will handle?

But it's really a cool step or a new idea for the new casino at least it is better than buying the data of VIP from black market like dark web. I saw the selling VIP's data on darkweb. I think this promotion will be more effective than going the illegal route.

I believe it is actually a very clever move for new casinos which are interested in attracting already active gamblers to try their services, to be honest, actually it is something I was wondering whether it was possible or not, I guess it is.
The only downside I could think of when this comes to mind is how some shady and untrustworthy casinos may try to abuse this system to get VIP gamblers to deposit onto their addresses and then use their terms of conditions to force VIP players to go through unreasonable wagering requirements, for example.
One needs to be careful and check the terms of those rank transfers before even thinking on going through it.
I as a casual gambler, I have not managed to get to any VIP level on any cryptocurrency casino, so I can say I would benefit from this, though I would probably give it a try I was a VIP gambler, no doubt.

Yeah I remember that first one. Unfortunately when I got wind of it the registration had already ended and I wasn't able to get it. If I had gotten in I think my bonus would have been really big, much bigger than your 150$ actually, no offense. But yeah, too late.
I then registered for the 2nd one but that one was quite bad actually. Just a cashback offer and you had to deposit 10000$, which I would never do at a place that's new for me. I always start small to check how well withdrawals are getting processed and so on.
Anyway, hopefully some other sites will make a new offer some time soon, it's a good opportunity to take your business to a new site while getting a juicy bonus. Everybody like that of course!

The best VIP transfer I have experienced is on Metawin.com. The first VIP transfer they did was exceptional. Currently, I think they are already running the third VIP transfer, which is very different from the first one. If I remember correctly, since I was one of those who applied for the VIP transfer, I received $150. To my surprise, I received another $150. I’m not sure of the reason, but it might be because I filled out both the form on Bitcointalk and the one on X (though I’m not entirely sure). Imagine getting 300$ just to fill up the form. No wagering requirement. I guess that make sense. lol

I haven't tried it either but I already heard of it. I think this only applies to the new casino that has the same owner as the other, or they have a special connections with them because like you said, there is no benefit for it as a casino owner but the benefit are only on the players side.

It is okay to not have a VIP level account in a casino. They are costly anyway and then some gamblers like you might only be playing for fun sometimes, so you can care less of this and the other stuffs inside a casino. As a completely new casino, maybe they have what you said there or a user needs to pay first before he can transfer his VIP level from the other casino. Maybe some players would like to avail this but there are some who likes to start again from scratch.

Casino calls VIP customers to those customers who spend a good time on gambling platforms and wager a high amount of money. Since this category of people aren't ordinary customers, every casino tries to retain such users. Casino's aim is not to get the most money out of customers, they want to offer them a good gambling experience.

Casinos are very competitive to attract and maintain VIP customers, so they offer amazing benefits. If I amn't wrong, Metawin was the first casino that came up with the initiative to offer VIP transfers to customers of other casinos. I can tell you that in the case of Metawin, a VIP transfer is worth it. Skel.horn, who is the owner of Metawin, treats customer very well.

VIP users have a special Salon Rouge club, where users can instantly withdraw $100,000 + deposit without game checks. At the moment, Metawin started VIP Transfer season 3 and offers 60% cashback to new VIP users in the first 72 hours, up to $10,000.

Here is their Tweet - https://x.com/Meta_Winners/status/1872390956680675616?mx=2
Link to their Google Forms that you have to fill in order to become a VIP member - https://forms.gle/b7frRTRmT1PEH6rYA

This is a very informative website. I’m not aware too about VIP transfers being popular nowadays since most of the Casino ANN thread here doesn’t promote this transfers while only Metawin is the only casino that I knew which actively promoting it whenever the promotion is active.

But since this promotion is already popular. I think other casino already applied too the typical bonus ToS which includes the high wagering requirements and other hard milestone that needs to achieve in able to unlock the transfer rewards.

This promotion is cool if they take effect the VIP feature on the spot and gives some sort of no string attached rewards.

I can’t understand how this could seem so pointless to you, especially since you’ve experienced it yourself several times. Users will enjoy additional perks and bonuses that will help them have more chances to win, while casinos on the other hand will be able to attract gamblers with a good level of activity since they should be in VIP status.

A similar move was recently made by a forum similar to bitcointalk to attract active members. All it did was give them equal bonus accounts to their bitcointalk membership status so they don’t have to upgrade their membership as if they were new accounts.

By the way, I hope you share your experience with casinos that offer these features and explain how pointless it is in your opinion.

The objective is to keep older players in the casino and make them regular customers. If they leave after a single loss and move to a different casino, the previous casino is at a loss. In order to tide over the bad feelings of loss, the casinos run these programs to "apply bad-aid over a gaping wound " so that the person stays back.

It can also be thought as a method of pampering and people love to get pampered and be treated like some "king of gamblers" - simple stroking of their ego.

So transferring VIP status helps in moving to a new casino when the players demand the same level of king treatment in the new site.

These things retain players and make the casino run well. I dont play, I invest in casinos, so I dont use these things, but for regular players, these are very common.

I think many casinos offer the same features, but like you, I’m only familiar with those two because they’re popular in the forum.

Some others are listed here.
Crypto Casinos that Offer VIP Status Transfer 2025

take note : i haven't fully read the article but I see bets.io in their offer a VIP level transfer..

Which sites offer this at the moment. I am aware of Razed and also Metawin did some kind of VIP transfer but the conditions haven't been good in my opinion.
Besides these 2, are there any other sites that offer this kind of promotion? I have pretty high levels on stake as well as on BC, but always looking to take a look into other sites, especially if there is some bonus or whatever involved. 

Never heard of it so naturally never tried it before (granted I also don't really have a VIP level account in a casino), but in paper it pretty much makes sense. I mean this introduces the capability for a user to migrate to a new casino, all benefits attached after all. Just that, I don't think THAT makes sense in the casino side. Like, a VIP status was MADE with money. If that was transferred over, did the casino it transferred over make money for making him a VIP? Nope. They just gave out a free one lol. If there was talks about transfers and payments then yeah maybe, but why the hell would a business losing a customer pay for them? That'd be a big joke lol.

Still, I've looked it up and google answered me that it exists so hey, maybe they're doing something different.

It is quite confusing, I also wonder how feature like this can work because in one gambling site to another gambling site there are clearly quite significant differences and of course if everyone who has high level VIP account makes transfer then that means the new casino must provide bigger and more bonuse, how can they grow when they have to spend more money before they can really have stable income.
And to verify maybe they will ask for VIP account that has completed KYC, it just that now we all know that KYC is not necessarily guaranteed because there is fake data that can be used by gamblers, competition in the gambling business makes many parties do things that are actually excessive and even unreasonable.

I havent been encountered such stuff about having that VIP transfer into other casinos.If this one is really that already an available option then this will basically needing up some with connection from one platform to another on which this one really that involves on having that integration into the system on being having that transferrable VIP ranking. We do know that each platform does have that some perks on which it might not be that available into some platforms on which this do make out some conflicts in between platform. Therefore, there will really be those initial communication in between platforms about such feature or simply they would be having that kind of partnership at least so that once a user transfer their VIP level into a new site then they will be making out some checks if its something integratable.

Does it make sense? For those who are high level in VIP then this is something that they will really be that interested on doing into because they wont really be going back again to zero if they will be having that plan on raising up their VIP levels once again. When it comes to perks and bonuses then of course these users are really that on edge because of the bonuses that they could have but we do know that this isnt something that interesting as these bonuses does have that corresponding terms and conditions on which this is a usual stuff in casinos. So i do agree that it doesnt make sense and also platforms wouldnt be liking on having that direct high level VIP numbers and will be wanting that new users should be starting at the bottom because this is where they can make more money.

It’s a competitive approach among casinos, but these kinds of offers are usually only feasible for big, new players in the market. They provide transfer bonuses, which of course come with terms. If VIPs find the offers appealing, they’ll make the switch, and in the long run, the casino benefits by gaining players who regularly bet decent amounts.

This seems to be the trend now, VIPs living up to their title, not being tied to just one casino. They’re often VIPs in multiple casinos, hopping around where the best bonuses are offered.

As for the question - yeah, it makes sense.

I don't. But if a casino is offering this then that's good for those VIP that want to try other casinos.
That's a feature that has a lot of incentives for most gamblers that are in that state. How many VIPs you have in all of the casinos you're playing?

The VIP status is given to those who meet certain conditions set by the casino. Like you said, it comes with attractive bonuses which makes it worth the energy gamblers put in to achieve such status. I have not gotten to such level yet but assuming I have achieved such level, I would have been happy to enjoy such privilege in new casinos provided I can confirm the reputation of such casino. I will not say it is outrightly wrong for new casinos to use such strategy because it is all about getting their target users to come over to their platform.

I have not had such experience as I only have low VIP level. But I wonder how it can happen when a gambler can transfer their VIP from one site to another casino?
I admit that this might be a way for new casinos to attract new customers from old casinos that have high VIP level. But isn’t this dangerous for the new casino?
I mean when there are so many gamblers who buy VIP account and transfer all their account to the new casino for profit. Now I wonder how the new casino can verify that it is the real account of the gambler. Or does the new casino require KYC proof?

It’s all about business well I consider both party as winners because while enjoying this offer gamblers get to stay and the casino get to retain the gambler always. I’m sure VIP users are trustworthy for more details they gamble always probably for the sake of this benefit. Not sure the vip transfer rule is common basically when searching for a good bonus offer definitely you’re requesting for a transfer and it might affect the casino not the other way round secondly gamblers just want to have this position in every casino they find attractive unlike a good experience.

I don't even wager ones in one week; if all my tickets were to be put together, I don't think I'll have up to 30 individual bets. So maybe I'll be so unlucky to not qualify -- in thousand times the way a degenerate gambler will... Anyone knows how long it'll take for a person to achieve the VIP a standard casino? I'd also love to learn something new.

---

You feel these casinos don't think about all-round factors that could eventually affect them? That's obviously why they put the necessary protocols in place -- ofcourse there are protocols!! .

If they offer better bonuses then you should consider, especially if the casinos is a reputable ones.

one casino I know have this kind of attractive offer is metawin.

https://x.com/Meta_Winners/status/1831359363564650622?mx=2

I don't think any casino would permit such transfer. Unless, the two casinos involved are sister companies, which have the same set of owners. Otherwise, they won't practice this activity. Do remember, casinos want to earn as much as possible. So they won't share clients from one platform to another, especially if they have no connections at all.


If sashapan can mention those sites, we have idea why those casinos are allowing VIP transfer. Because casinos will only allow such transfer if the owners are somehow related or connected to each other. I don't think any casino would allow such feature if the gambler is transferring to their competitor, right?

It's bad for business for casino owners but very good for players.

Every casino wants to retain players especially highly ranked VIP players on their books and have no interest sharing that clientele with other casino because their revenue gets heavily diluted. That's just the first reasons, there are more. Second on the list is that casinos can't get players to go through the VIP levels and if I'm not mistaken, that's one of their major areas for revenue.

I have never transferred my vip level to a new casino - personally I try as much as possible to stick with just two or three crypto casinos and one local casino because if I should start searching for which of them offer more bonuses to vip level holders and then start requesting for a rank transfer I’ll only end up gambling more and spending more than I was supposed to spend on gambling.

Despite some people climbing that it is a good idea there are some who have transferred to a new casino and end up with the worst experience of their life and had to move back to their original casino.

No offense taken. You are experienced in this than myself.

That's another perspective, and you're right. Unlike what I have read, It's less about loyalty and more about being a high roller as your example has shown.

I got this  thank you.
Do you think this VIP status can be transferred to another casino? Is this a possible in anyway

Hi, the conditions are different everywhere, but now many offer bonuses for VIP transfer, but you need to make a turnover with your money more often) the procedure is simple. There is a special bot in support, you need to show statistics from another casino, make a bet and send a link .... I would like to find another interesting project with an honest RTP

Of course you need to prove the ownership of your VIP account in other casinos, it can be done in several ways depending on what is/are asked by the new casino to you when trying to pass the transfer process.
From my experience in 2 different casino, I only need to provide a screenshot of my account profile and I need to post a message on chat on the casino.
There can be other ways ofc, depending on the VIP program of the casino because every casino may have different way when it comes how to prove that we are the real owner of the account.


Metawin did it (even there were 2 seasons), blackjack.fun did it too, and some other casinos that I can mention one by one but some new casinos that popped up this year provided this program.
If it is being done properly and wisely, it is a great way to attract player especially high rollers because players can get a shorten way to get the benefits in the new casino without doing many things especially wagering.

VIP transfer is beneficial for players, because then they can get the privileges they should get when they play long enough at a particular casino. However, I have not had any VIP transfer experience, because I'm still loyal to playing at one of the crypto casinos.

It's good if you play for free money) now few people offer this, how much I participate in such promotions I play on my deposit, for example there is one casino I don't want to name yet, my deposit there is 1,250, they have a hard RTP when playing in limbo on 1.2 x I got a turnover of 75,000, and the conditions of the VIP transfer were to make a turnover of 120,000 and only after that the reward is 675 and they only gave me 30 days to do it, i don't know if i can make another 45,000 turnover with the monthly bonus that will be in a few days

As a matter of fact, this is the first time I am hearing about this and I wonder how easy gamblers can do this. If truly this is possible , it will be cool and useful for  players that has already archive a vip level on their favorite casino, because to achieve that VIP rank, a player must have wager a huge amount and some players don't want to leave that casino that they have already reach the highest VIP rank but with this new features that you have talked about @OP, some players might want to tranfer their rank to another casino that they must have interest on. I am not yet a VIP but if you have already done this, you can explain the procedure.

If done properly, it is a good way to get some players to try out the site. I personally think it is a waste of money for casinos to do this. They get an influx of players to the casino, then when the player loses the money they were given they go back to playing at the site they were already on. It's a great deal for the player as they get free money. If they win on it they might stay, if they lose they're gone.

yes this is a win-win situation for both gamblers and casino.it allows also to maximize bonus from several vendors and for early adopters to earn already money from their previous wagering.

If the bonus offered has no trick (like some strange limits on amount to win, or you are forced to bet at certain odds) this would be for sure a profitable choice and without risks for player (if they are using trusted places).

How does it not make sense? the casino wants to attract VIP players from other casinos, you know VIP players are either high rollers or loyal gamblers, all casinos like these players because they have a lot money.

However, not all VIP gamblers are in loss, if the new casinos are really trying hard to hijack the VIP players, the casino might be in loss because they need to give something that make the VIP gamblers interested.

Sorry but that's bs.
If I were to drop 10 $100k bets in a week and lose them all there is no casino out there that wouldn't offer a VIP account, not the highest of the highest but still well above what a player betting 100 a day over a year would achieve.


Again wrong, there are plenty of users here that have high VIP levels in multiple casinos, what stops you from playing on two or three or even ten casinos as long as you have money?
It's all about the $, nothing else matters.

I have a turnover of more than 2 million dollars of bets, this is a promotion that I probably passed by a long time ago) ask the person who bears the signature of this casino  Baofeng

Really? This is a huge deal considering there’s no wagering requirements. Any amount is considered as good offer with this kind of condition.

What’s your VIP level and total wager amount on your previous casino? Will you mind sharing the link with promotion? It seems the promotion is not popular here in the forum that’s why my radar missed it.

Is there no other catch?

Yes!
Transferring VIP status at new casinos is an interesting and attractive strategy for players, and it is worth exploring its benefits with caution and responsibility...

• Rewards and Benefits: VIP programs offer generous rewards, including exclusive bonuses, cashback, higher betting limits, and preferential treatment. VIP players can enjoy an enhanced gaming experience with perks that are not available to regular players.
• Continuity of Experience: By transferring their VIP status to a new casino, players can continue to enjoy the privileges they have earned. This is especially beneficial if their previous casino is no longer meeting their expectations or if they simply want to explore new options.
• Competitive Offers: New casinos, eager to attract VIP players, often offer generous welcome packages and exclusive promotions. Players can take advantage of these benefits to boost their bankroll and experience the casino with a head start.

You should just be aware of the terms of use, knowing that some benefits may have some limits or fulfillment obligations in order to be enjoyed. So make sure you don't fall into any traps before accepting these new deals.

By the way, you have a casino signature, I also did a VIP transfer there. They gave me 200 dollars without even requiring wagering.

Read this:https://orangefizz.net/2024/02/how-do-you-become-a-vip-at-a-casino/
There is a process to becoming a VIP at casino. It is not achieved in a day. You have to show your loyalty, you have to be consistent. It is special recognition conferred on you by a casino for helping to build their programs. How then can you transfer your status from a casino to another without showing any loyalty, consistency, or dedication to their programs? An individual can be a VIP in one casino and not in another. If the casinos are linked to together under the same management, then that could work if they want as they'll just check their database for confirmation. If not, I don't see how that is going to be possible.

They ask you to either prove this via video or they ask you to place a bet from the said account sometimes just a screenshot.
The casinos don't risk much, all they give you is a VIP level with better rewards, it's not like they will be losing money with you, as for people faking VIP levels they don't have the money to make it real in the first place so they are of no threat of winning big sums or getting huge rewards out of nothing.

If they would be losing money on this they wouldn't be doing it!

I don't know that you have that kind of ability with casinos to transfer somewhat your level/title with a specific casino to a new one. What casinos participate in that? I don't think that's good for business, though, if you are a casino owner. Please elaborate on this OP.

It can definitely be beneficial for players but not so much for casinos, I don’t think. Yes, maybe it allows them to attract more players but instead of letting their players work to achieve that same vip level from another casino all they do is just level out the game basically.

You won’t even know for sure if the player will continue to use your casino after the transfer because they never got to use your platform and get attached to it. It’s a gamble for sure but it does help players get rewards.

I have not heard about this before until when I was read this some hours ago. I always think that if you want to achieve a VIP on casinos, you have to build it from ground up by your frequent activities on the casino. But I noticed that I am wrong. People can be able to transfer their VIP status to another casino but not all casinos that give such offer.

Definitely. It is no-brainer at all. If a gambler can be able to transfer his VIP status from one casinos to another to reach the VIP status very fast on the casino it is transferred to, it is definitely beneficial for the gamblers that are VIP.

You mean for example a VIP rank player on Monkeytilt casino being able to transfer the rank to another stake like stake.com if that is what you mean, then it can be beneficial to the gambler but the casino will be at a loss in total wagering since that is where the casino generates their revenue from.

The casino will stop at just providing bonuses to attract players to their casino since bonuses are wagered on the same casinos it makes their income remain within, unlike VIP transfers which means casino B is inheriting the burden of casino A all based on transfer agreements.

In casino like Metawin which is the only casino I saw offering this promotion they just need a screenshot for your current VIP level on the casino you are promoting which is available on your VIP page then you will transfer the same wager amount that you get and  convert it the VIP level of the new casino that match your wager count.

Aside from the VIP transfer, They offer too additional incentives just like cash back and cash rewards in exchange for your transfer. It’s a limited slot though and their goal is to on board whale player that will contribute wager.

Not a VIP but for me, theres benefit to it as to transfer to a new platform. Means a nee set of games and bonuses offered for VIP. Maybe a change in your platform is a good idea if the current one isnt working best for you.

The one that can answer that is you OP since you have tried it. Care to share that experience?

How is that even supposed to work? Wouldn't you have to prove somehow that you were a VIP at the other casino? And how's the customer support supposed to be sure you didn't just buy the email address and are trying to scam them?

It feels poorly thought over.

I've seen this offer in one of the online casinos that is advertising here in the forum and they have a local online casino for our country. Transfering of the VIP though seems to be not beneficial in the long term because it resets every month and it won't even help at all. Sure, it's a nice offer but there are limits to what they will also give to you.
But for those who will be playing at the new online casino long term, I think this will be a good starting point for them. I mean, it's an offer that lets you join promotions at an early stage which can help you boost your wagered amount faster while getting some bonuses as a VIP.

Totally worth it since you automatically skip the risk of losing just acquired the wager for the benefits given on other casino. If you will compute all your losses before you get your current VIP reward then you will appreciate this kind of offer by the casino especially if the new casino offers much better reward from your previous casino which is common since established casino usually decreases the RTP for their bonuses once they are already satisfied with the number of their player.

The only time this offer is not worth it is when the new casino VIP benefits is sucks compared to your old casino since it doesn’t make sense to progress more wager even though you manage to transfer your VIP.

This is a great feature, since you are given some kind of unique reward for being a VIP in another casino; it's just like rewarding those who are deep gamblers, showing appreciation, and also some kind of promotion to indirectly invite them to their (the new) casino. Until now I didn't even know that this kind of feature existed since it's not in the new casino. You wager all the amount that qualified you for the VIP level; I never knew any kind of privilege would be given.

Can you name where it's possible to transfer the ranks from another casino?

It's surely possible and save hundred thousands of dollars for an individual because there will always be some perks for VIP ranked users so I don't see any reason for someone not to avail it if it's possible.

And how does the verification of this rank transfer works? The casino must be collaborating with all other competitors to make it 100% legitimate.

Beneficial or not is about our own preferences and depending on the offers from the VIP transfer program by the casino you experienced.
I did VIP transfter few times and I can say that the best benefit I got was the instant bonus after completing the VIP transfer because this is the main reason why I did the VIP transfer
Nowadays many new casinos comes with VIP transfer too but most of them does not give instant bonus (cash), most of them will only give equal account level with its benefit such as higher rakeback, VIP host, higher lossback, etc.
Those are benefits of course because we do not need to wager much in order to get the things I mentioned above but there is something we may miss from the VIP tranfer program, it is the journey from zero to a specific level and it means we are also missing the level up bonus.

I think only the VIP gamers and the bonus chasers are the ones falling thrilling for these casinos features.
But then I think it is really good for players if the casinos are not using that strategy just to attract players and in due time comprises.

As for me, I still find it unconvinced able on how I would turnover to a casino site because of the above features without considering my comfortability on the site and their reputations.

There are several casinos here offering VIP transfer program. Try to see first on what they can offer so that provably would know what are the benefits or other perks that you can avail or what casino could possibly give to you.

If you didn't like what you see and you are happy with your current casino where you are playing then there's no need for you to try this one. Also try to see their condition or if the casino is reputable so that there would be no other risk factor to worried about.

Definitely, there are a lot perks of being a VIP on any casinos, like boost on your bets and then you will have free bets. And maybe those free bets of yours might turn out to be good for you in the end.

Or if you're into sports betting, your ordinary bets will have a boost, meaning higher odds so if you hit it, then obviously it's going to be a ++ on your winnings. So in essense, more rewards coming your way and you don't need to spend a lot of money to rank up to their VIP level.

And then the whole competition itself from this casinos, they want big gamblers to transfer to them.

I have a low level, platinum 3, in one new casino I did a level transfer on offer — To kick off your play on Jackpot, here is your One Time Exclusive Offer!
Wager $1,000 and claim $100.
Complete the $1,000 wager target within 24 hours, and claim $10 a day for 10 days." This is how it looked) here I had a deposit of 50 dollars, withdrawal of 150 + and a little bit leftI liked this site honest rtp by numbers Everything is clear!! And now I took a new offer from another site let's see what comes out of it I'll write later   

Even though you have used up to the VIP level at another casino and you transfer to a new casino, but for me it is a little strange and I have never tried it, how VIP can be used in another casino, doesn't every casino have rules about VIP levels and every casino has its own rules.

Talking about benefits, I think of course if you can do it like you do VIP to other houses, it will definitely be useful, we can automatically go straight to that level even though we are new to the casino, The question is whether it is possible, whether the new casino does not lose new users directly to the VIP level.

No, I don't use it because I'm not a VIP player, so I don't qualify, but it makes a lot of sense both for the sites that offer it and for the players who can take advantage of it.

A VIP player bets a lot, either large amounts or for a long time or a mixture of both, having a wagered total that is very profitable for the house, which can offer him special deals, in terms of promotions, bonuses and personalised treatment.

If there is no transfer availability, reaching the VIP level takes some time, which may make the player not want to change sites because he already enjoys some extra advantages in the room where he currently plays. With VIP level transfer enabled, they may be tempted to switch sites and enjoy the benefits of VIP treatment from minute one and potentially be profitable for the site as well.

Was it beneficial for you when you tried it?

I am not a VIP player, but being able to get the perks of one without rising through the ranks and wagering thousands of $$ looks like a good deal. You have to do your due research before making big deposits as the casino is new. As much as you have to prove to them that you are a high roller somewhere else, they have to prove to you that your funds are secured with them too.

- Jay -

new casinos, one of the ways to attract new players, began to use viptransfer, transfer of experience and turnover from another casino. Many offer good bonuses, I tried this several times, do you think it is beneficial for players, do you use this offer? Share your experience)