Topic: "Virginia Governor Issues SECRET EXECUTIVE ORDERS to TAKE TOTAL POWER..." (Read 308 times)

Thanks for the immediate demonstration of what I just said.

GREAT JOB!

So the entirety of your OP doesn't matter? Why did you make a thread for it then?

Yes, we are all well aware of your focus on anything other than the facts of the matter. You know the content. What is important is you can find something, ANYTHING, to dismiss the rest of it. Thanks for playing Nutilduhhhhhh. Back to your walled garden where only people who don't hurt your feels can talk.

This is what I had a problem with:


Literally none of that is true.

So wait, you agree it is a power grab. You now admit these are more than just bills but actual passed laws as I warned was likely as you dismissed them as only bills. Because it "could also be Trump" even though removing the electoral college is absolutely a democrat goal, now my argument is invalid? Cool story bruh.

Its a total power grab for whoever wins the popular president vote, not governor vote. This also includes Donald Trump, should he win the popular vote. So in no way were you right. You were just spreading misinformation, I suppose because you've sunk to the depths of becoming a full-on troll. Hard to explain otherwise.

That is a pretty convoluted way to say I was right.

Do you ever find it odd how some people can have such an austere, one-sided belief system to the point where they just ignore obvious lies in order to keep espousing their initial viewpoint? I enjoy entertaining opposing viewpoints for the sake of actually bettering my understanding of the reality of any given situation.

TS missed the real news that Virginia actually passed the bill about awarding all electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote, amid certain conditions of course. It's a total power grab -- for which ever president wins the popular vote, provided the commonwealth of states signing similar laws into practice is active.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/482766-virginia-house-passes-bill-to-award-electoral-votes-to-whoever-wins-the

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-house-approves-assault-weapons-ban

Just read the article.  Executive order isn't even mentioned other than in the headline.  It's just a list of bills.  The headline is just clickbait.

Just curious. Where is the debunking documentation?     

Just speculating on why you posted what you did since you didn't really clarify.

By the way, since the whole 'SECRET EXECUTIVE ORDER' has been debunked, maybe edit the topic so others don't assume it's true? 

[I post a bill]
[you flip out and post a source for the bill I didn't even use and claim it discredits it as you project your imagination on me as usual]

Thanks for more evidence of your mental illness. Now I am responsible for sources I didn't even use when I post directly from the Virginia legislature. Not insane at all.

Most likely. Here's such an article from Newsmax:


Of course the author of this story either has serious reading comprehension problems or just didn't care what he wrote because he knew it would satisfy the hunger of his reader base -- either way it is purely a wrong take.

Oh, here's what he more likely read: zerohedge's (also wrong) interpretation of the bill:


Again, the law has been effect for almost 20 years already. The proposed amendment serves to clarify where the prosecution should take place.

I'm thinking he fell for one of the articles with the fake "Democrats Push Legislation to Make Criticism of Government Officials a Criminal Offense" headlines, didn't realize they were amendments and misinterpreted the old laws (thinking they were new) to fit the headlines he had just read.

Virginia Bill Wouldn’t Criminalize Criticism

This particular law was enacted in the year 2000. The major change proposed to it states that if the person was harassing a state official they can be tried in the capitol instead of their home county.


Yeah, sure, its a TOTAL POWER GRAB.

Tell me, was this sneaky alteration forced into law by secret executive order as well? 

I know, I know: Can't I see how this is hastening our descent into TOTAL STATE CONTROL??!

Well, no, I can't.

§ 18.2-152.7:1. Harassment by computer; penalty.

"If any person, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, or harass any person, shall use a computer or computer network to communicate obscene, vulgar, profane, lewd, lascivious, or indecent language, or make any suggestion or proposal of an obscene nature, or threaten any illegal or immoral act, he shall be is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. A violation of this section may be prosecuted in the jurisdiction in which the communication was made or received or in the City of Richmond if the person subjected to the act is one of the following officials or employees of the Commonwealth: the Governor, Governor-elect, Lieutenant Governor, Lieutenant Governor-elect, Attorney General, or Attorney General-elect, a member or employee of the General Assembly, a justice of the Supreme Court of Virginia, or a judge of the Court of Appeals of Virginia."

The interesting thing is, that if somebody takes a law to court in a jury trial, the local jury can overrule the law for their locality... no matter what the law is.

Here you go TECHSHARE:

(Works pretty much the same in states as Federally)

I'm Just a Bill (Schoolhouse Rock!) . <--- Please watch this anyone who isn't sure how laws are passed in America.  It's a great video and only 3 minutes!


Boy: Woof! You sure gotta climb a lot of steps to get to this Capitol Building here in Washington. But I wonder who that sad little scrap of paper is?

I'm just a bill.
Yes, I'm only a bill.
And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill.
Well, it's a long, long journey
To the capital city.
It's a long, long wait
While I'm sitting in committee,
But I know I'll be a law someday
At least I hope and pray that I will,
But today I am still just a bill.

Boy: Gee, Bill, you certainly have a lot of patience and courage.

Bill: Well I got this far. When I started, I wasn't even a bill, I was just an idea. Some folks back home decided they wanted a law passed, so they called their local Congressman and he said, "You're right, there oughta be a law." Then he sat down and wrote me out and introduced me to Congress. And I became a bill, and I'll remain a bill until they decide to make me a law.

I'm just a bill
Yes I'm only a bill,
And I got as far as Capitol Hill.
Well, now I'm stuck in committee
And I'll sit here and wait
While a few key Congressmen discuss and debate
Whether they should let me be a law.
How I hope and pray that they will,
But today I am still just a bill.

Boy: Listen to those congressmen arguing! Is all that discussion and debate about you?

Bill: Yeah, I'm one of the lucky ones. Most bills never even get this far. I hope they decide to report on me favourably, otherwise I may die.

Boy: Die?

Bill: Yeah, die in committee. Oooh, but it looks like I'm gonna live! Now I go to the House of Representatives, and they vote on me.

Boy: If they vote yes, what happens?

Bill: Then I go to the Senate and the whole thing starts all over again.

Boy: Oh no!

Bill: Oh yes!

I'm just a bill
Yes, I'm only a bill
And if they vote for me on Capitol Hill
Well, then I'm off to the White House
Where I'll wait in a line
With a lot of other bills
For the president to sign
And if he signs me, then I'll be a law.
How I hope and pray that he will,
But today I am still just a bill.

Boy: You mean even if the whole Congress says you should be a law, the president can still say no?

Bill: Yes, that's called a veto. If the President vetoes me, I have to go back to Congress and they vote on me again, and by that time you're so old...

Boy: By that time it's very unlikely that you'll become a law. It's not easy to become a law, is it?

Bill: No!

But how I hope and I pray that I will,
But today I am still just a bill.

Congressman: He signed you, Bill! Now you're a law!

Bill: Oh yes!!!

You are really just repeating the same thing you have said 3 times in a row now. Who is try harding? If some one is walking towards you in a dark alley with a knife, he hasn't stabbed you yet, so the problem doesn't exist right? No need to take any action until AFTER he stabs you. Perfect logic Nutilduuuuhhh.

You're really reaching hard now to justify your (continued) posting of utterly fake news. Again, none of these bills have been passed, and no "secret executive order" was issued. You're worrying about a problem that doesn't exist. I suggest you find a better hobby for your own well being.

Yes, we have been over this already. Any excuse to ignore the disturbing goals and intent of the current Virginia administration, that is the substance. "snuck through" refers to the fact that the gun law was used as a distraction while these other laws were introduced. You keep obsessing about the pimple on your face while gangrene takes your leg. This is about protecting yourself from the cognitive dissonance you would experience by examining the goals and contents of these laws by focusing on peripheral issues to minimize and dismiss it.

We've been over this already. The substance was clearly false.


The bills weren't "snuck through." They haven't been passed! The governor can't issue an executive order to magically enact bills. Your whole story was bogus. You should really do a bit more fact checking next time before posting a link.

Oh, well other states do it, its ok! You could apply the same logic to legalizing slavery, some how I don't think that premise is a valid one. The point is felons tend to vote Democrat, because Democrats are the party of creating crime so they can profit of of it. They are trying to find any way they can to put their thumbs on the scales. These bills demonstrate clear intent to do this. You two have fun jerking each other off over the headline while you completely ignore the substance though.

these are the democrats, they know that they are being exposed as racists and nazis, and they somehow have to protect their power since they can't win against trump in 2020 and are tearing each other apart.

regards

Introduced and ISSUED are two very different things.

Introduced would mean that the bill has just put been put forth by someone in the chamber. That gives it as much of a chance as anything else in passing. Issued would mean that the bill / executive order has been issued as law and it will be enforced. Which is why this is the problem in the verbiage used.

They're also not executive orders, which would've been active upon being issued. They're bills.

This is like my writing a story about how some random state representative in south dakota wants to ban cell phones for people under 21 and then making the headline "SOUTH DAKOTA ISSUES LAW THAT BANS CELLPHONES FOR PEOPLE UNDER 21" This isn't true and it's misleading, it's bullshit all around. Crazy bills are introduced everyday, that doesn't mean there's a chance of them being passed.

If the governor and the majority of the legislature had come out and said they were supporting the bills and wanted to see them passed, that's one thing. But as of right now this is nothing.

Not only was the headline sensational and false but the content of the story was false as well. What else is there to focus on? Regardless, what you consider to be "insane power grabbing laws" have already been enacted in several other states.

What is important is the headline is sensational of course. This is not something literally every media outlet does, no of course not. These insane power grabbing laws introduced are secondary to the fact you don't like the way the headline was written. Gotta have priorities and focus on the important bits right?

I'm pretty sure you understand that none of these executive orders and that all of these are just proposed bills in either the VA Senate or the House. Nothing has been passed, and nothing is going to change in VA. All this blog is is a sensationalist piece of news that is meant to clickbait deceive old people on facebook or people who don't know what facebook is.

https://bongino.com/under-the-radar-va-is-proposing-some-crazy-non-gun-control-laws-too/

Even bongino says that they're PROPOSING some CRAZY non gun control laws. PROPOSING.

That's just a list of bills. The article contains zero references to back up its claims of the governor issuing a "secret executive order." When the phrase "snuck through" is used, it always means that a bill was passed in a sneaky manner -- not that was introduced in a sneaky manner, which none of these bills were anyway. That's why its fake news.

How can a governor "sneak" bills through a state congress anyway? By using a "secret executive order"? He can't, and he didn't. You like to talk about "burden of proof" quite a bit, and in this case the burden of proof is on you to show that a "secret executive order" was issued. Even if it was (it wasn't), it sure wasn't very effective, as all of the bills are yet to be passed.

No references? Where did you get that list? Oh right, the list referenced in the article. The laws were introduced, as the article said as everyone was focused on the gun control debate. Nothing said they passed. These are all real bills/laws they are currently trying to implement. The only thing fake is your claims that it didn't happen.

SB 399 Presidential electors; National Popular Vote Compact.
"Under the compact, Virginia agrees to award its electoral votes to the presidential ticket that receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia."
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+cab+SC10108SB0399+SBREF

SJ 29 Constitutional amendment (first resolution); election of the Governor, Lieutenant Governor.
"The candidate receiving the highest number of votes in a majority of each of the congressional districts shall be declared elected."
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+cab+SC10108SJ0029+SBREF

SJ 14 Constitutional amendment (first reference); qualifications of voters, restoration of civil rights.
"Authorizes the General Assembly to provide by general law for the restoration of civil rights for persons convicted of a felony. "
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+cab+SC10108SJ0014+SBREF

SJ 8 Constitutional amendment; qualifications of voters and the right to vote.
"The bill removes from current constitutional qualifications to vote not having been convicted of a felony and not having been adjudicated to be mentally incompetent."
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+cab+SC10108SJ0008+SBREF

SB 65 Voter identification; repeal of photo identification requirements.
"Removes the requirement that voters show a form of identification containing a photograph in order to be allowed to vote."
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+cab+SC10108SB0065+SBREF

SJ 6 Constitutional amendment; Governor's term of office (first reference).
"Permits a Governor elected in 2025 and thereafter to succeed himself in office. The amendment allows two four-year terms (either in succession or not in succession) but prohibits election to a third term."
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+cab+SC10108SJ0006+SBREF

Lets not focus on the totalitarian power grabbing nature of these bills, what is important is if you look at this in a very overly specific myopic way, this might be interpreted as "fake news". The fact that they are trying to pass these laws is meaningless of course ans should be totally dismissed.

The best strength that American people have is not being used by them. Their strength is to take any governmental people to court for threatening them with property stealing by government.

It's a direct threat to Americans for government to take any of their property away from them. The politician who is making laws to take their property is only a man/woman using a form of government leverage to steal their property. Take the government man/woman to court personally for using his government power to threaten to steal "my" property.

Common law court of record. CJS: Federal Courts: Section 744: Federal district Court.

Not american, but is this constitutional? Changing such law should not take effect right away, there has to be some time given and 25% is ridiculous.

I tried to watch the video but the Soros propaganda gave me tears

It doesn't mean anything. Its part of a sensationalist headline by a fake news site that exists only to inflame right wing NPCs. It needs more exclamation points at the end of it. I'm not sold on just the 1.


Didn't happen. No proof, no references, just a claim that that's what happened. None of these bills have been passed. Fake news at its basest.

From https://lis.virginia.gov/

SB 399 Presidential electors; National Popular Vote Compact.
01/07/20  Senate: Referred to Committee on Privileges and Elections

SJ 29 Constitutional amendment (first resolution); election of the Governor, Lieutenant Governor.
01/21/20  Senate: Stricken at request of Patron in Privileges and Elections

SJ 14 Constitutional amendment (first resolution); qualifications of voters; restoration of civil rights.
01/21/20  Senate: Continued to 2021 in Privileges and Elections (15-Y 0-N)

SJ 8 Constitutional amendment; qualifications of voters and the right to vote.
01/21/20  Senate: Continued to 2021 in Privileges and Elections (15-Y 0-N)

SB 65 Voter identification; repeal of photo identification requirements.
11/21/19  Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/08/20

SJ 6 Constitutional amendment; Governor's term of office.
01/21/20  Senate: Continued to 2021 in Privileges and Elections (15-Y 0-N)

Total Fail.

Learn to read.

Thankfully there is still a system of checks and balance. The gun laws will go to the Supreme Court and most likely will be ruled unconstitutional. And the governor cannot take total power. What does "total power" mean anyway?

"Virginia Governor Issues SECRET EXECUTIVE ORDERS to TAKE TOTAL POWER while everyone was watching GUN BILLS!"

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/virginia-governor-issues-secret-executive-orders-to-take-total-power-while-everyone-was-watching-gun-bills/