Topic: Virtual Betting/ Real bet (Read 385 times)

Virtual game is controlled by the house and shouldn't be encouraged. Players lose lots of money on virtual games yet it brings fast win. Its fast outcome can deminish a player's earning even after winning some funds, the urge to play again is what makes Virtual game look like its manipulative, and players can lose due to the house deciding what the scores would be. It's better to stick to real games than virtual games. Many players in my area don't play virtual anymore. They have gotten a fair share of lossess involved in such game.

I think virtual betting is the same with fantasy betting and they can also work offline using the machines but they get an inspiration with the real sports, the only difference is like you said a real sport is wider and they can be fairer. 60 matches are too long but I think the availability of the matches will also depend on the betting platforms. Some matches are sometimes not available for some reasons but there are still other sport category and we can also check other betting platforms to see if the matches that are missing on the other is available on them.

Yeah, this is true and there is also offline betting which are not available online but it would be great if we can request to some betting sites to allow them. If not, we can also create our own betting platform and put those games there.

Esports is something totally different than virtual betting. In virtual betting, the outcome of a game is generated with a random number generator or using other algorithms I believe, while esports is a whole universe in itself, and it's pretty fun watching and betting on esports competitions and events, and I don't think that there can be any sort of manipulation in that.

Someone should simply avoid virtual betting if they feel it is not really turning in their favor and go for esports or simply sports betting and try their luck on that. Both sports and esports will require one to have some past experience and knowledge about the games and teams being played though.

I haven't had much experience with the Vfootball matches but as far as i know these virtual matches are fixed but usually the general public are not aware of the result.

Secondly please note that the odds for the real matches will keep on changing constantly during the match. This is because if one team is winning, the gambling site will lower the odds for that team so that if anyone bets on that team at that time, he should not be able to make big money, meaning that the team who is in a winning position will always get the lower odds.

15 in-play bets? Man you must have a lot of monitors and an extreme amount of attention that you know you can still win some of those bets. I myself can only handle one single bet at a time for live matches, and most of the time I lose it even though I had the information because there's just too much factors at play to consider during the match. As for vFootball, I'm not aware that this exists and you can bet on it. Anything that is played only by simulations and computers I do not put my money on because I don't know what to expect.

Regardless if you are betting on virtual betting or slot machine, there's no such big difference as results on both are based on random algorithms.

It doesn't make sense that in terms of losing money easily and quickly, virtual betting is much more prone to it compared to playing with slot machines, as you say.  Both need some luck to win decently.

Maybe it's just that you are not aware of virtual betting that's why you think it's easy to lose money on it compare to slots machine. Both are gambling and always keep in mind that either of those can drain your funds per session, especially in the long run.

I won't call it manipulation. It's just the urge to keep playing to win more when you win and the urge to win when you lose. It's normal and that's why we have to be careful when gambling. Someone made a topic about chasing losses or closure, something like that. When gambling you always believe the next time will be the next hit so you keep trying and trying till you know it you've lost more than you budgeted. It doesn't work much on sports  betting because the game takes a long amount of time before it finishes and then you place another bet, but in other form of gambling that takes just 3-5 minutes, it's easier to lose your money.  It's not manipulation.

However, betting is a source of income for some individuals, some people might just be focus on real betting,some on virtual betting, but to my understanding of that virtual is that is quicker stuff, is either you win immediately or you lose immediately, you should always be ready for either of them, and mind you, there is no sure game in virtual betting. I won’t advice individuals especially struggling youths to go into, majority are into it though, I have been a betting cashier and I am talking from experience, is preferable that you go into real betting than virtual betting because real betting especially football is a little safer and capital will always be reserved money most at times but comparing to virtual betting, people goes to the extent of selling their properties in order to recover their already lost money, which most at times is it doesn’t go that way, it will make you miserable especially most people who are addicted to it already using whatever money in their possession to invest on virtual betting, addiction have made some use their house rent, school fees to play virtual betting, my advice to the youths who are  mostly into it already is that they should have self-control of it, if they must play, they should play with their reserved money and always have limit or better still they should invest more on real betting because more hopes are higher in real betting, though no one is sure.

Do you mean virtual football betting as in - esports? or the completing fictional betting "games" that some gambling sites come up with, similar to those ancient horse racing arcade games you'd find? If it is esports, then there is certainly plenty of competitive spirit and high level skills going on there, with games often played to a very high standard. However if you're on about the completely orchestrated and rigged virtual sports games in general, you might as well hop over to slot machine type games, because they are just random number generators that are geared towards paying the house all winnings in the long run, with some flashy graphics and enticing sounds integrated in.

I would probably not bet on virtual games as well and rather spend the time and money on a slot machine where I could maybe hit a good multiplier and get a few extra bucks to play later than just betting on a virtual game where I can easily lose the money. I think it is better if someone chooses to bet on a sports event rather than a virtual one as there are more chances of winning in a sports bet.

I don't want to be judgmental about those who place bets on virtual games as they probably know what they are doing, it is just that I wouldn't prefer doing that and would probably go for something else instead.

Virtual betting was occurring with the help of online gambling.Now the sports bet of Football make huge difference in the virtual betting.Because the sports bet consists of 60 matches in a single league.So every match had the bet and the gamblers and the owner of the online betting.If you aware of certain player,you can bet on all the matches of such player in the league.If your player had involved and win till semi final,you will had a good chance to win more money from one player in sports betting.Most of the time real betting is occur with the help of offline betting,it also includes the cock bet on the road sides.Because cock fight is most favourite game in the Asia and Southeast Asia region.So it allow more offline gamblers in cock fighting of the offline gambling section.Some in Asian countries,the people favour of real betting then the virtual betting,because they can able to decide the betting cock based on the experience.

It depends from individual to individual, I have lost on many gambling site before when I was playing virtual bet, all I noticed was that it is good to just play for a short time and if you win, call it a day. If you continue to play, losing is very likely to happen. I like going for over 1.5 goals while playing virtual sport matches, having like 1.25 odds. Using low amount of money makes it interesting.

The manipulation were much, from few comments over here the probability of one winning in 10 to 15 selected matches are very slim meaning I have to reduce my games to either 2 to 5 maximum with this it would create a lighter chance for me to win, although it's not a guarantee that whenever man reduces he wins instantly.

Everything is a conspiracy theory...until it isn't. How could one possibly verify the results of a virtual game? I think that it's definitely viable for these games to total up bets across all establishments/providers offering these virtual games and skewing the result toward whichever is most profitable. You can call that a conspiracy, but do you really think that game providers are aiming toward fairness, or profit?

I say with certainty that live betting has much less chance of manipulation than virtual betting.
Sports betting for live games is purely based on the probability that a given team or player has to win or lose that competition.
Your chance of winning or losing depends exclusively on playing for the correct team and bookmakers increase or decrease the reward according to the odds of winning one or another team/player.

Obviously, there are some cases of manipulation that even involve bribing players so that they collaborate by committing fouls, penalties or even favoring the defeat of their own team, but this is something that tends to occur more in second or third base championships.

There's always suspicion of manipulation in virtual games especially if you lose a lot of money because they have full control of the game compared to real bets where you can easily spot if the match is fixed because when it's between simulation and real games the real games cannot be automated to give the exact results compared to virtual games where its pre-program so real games are subjects to a lot of errors on virtual games the team can it perfectly.
So it's better to play in real games because of the absence of your suspicion because you can easily detect manipulation if there is.

This is true. Gambling losers usually have a reason when they lose and it’s blaming the casino reputation or the game itself. There’s no way to satisfy someone if they lose even a casino with great reputation.


Still the same. Virtual betting has same provider even with trusted casino or not. Bookies is just being added by the casino but the casino doesn’t make it.

Manipulation is sometimes always the reason for those bettors that loses their respective bets. Why not just accepts that you really loses that bet and moved on with other bets? It's not that a virtual betting site will focus only on you to manipulate the results.

Next time, try to use a virtual betting site that already established a good trust rating in the virtual betting industry for you to at least not overthink too much that you are being manipulated or being cheated.

Virtual betting is something like slots.  They have predetermined result and is affected by random number generator.  So I think this type of betting falls under luck-based game.  It is true that no matter how skilled we are in sposts betting, we can never have any sort of control in virtual betting because as I stated, the gameplay is fictional and is generated by machines and not performed by actual players.  The only control the player has his is over his bankroll, the amount he will wager, and choosing the possible winning team.

It is very clear the difference between real sports betting and virtual sports betting.  One is predetermined (virtual betting) while the other one is not and is dependent on the performance of the actual team competing.

I also don't know to what extent you can successfully bet on matches that are VR or simulated. In any case, I don't think it's something you can have any sort of control over. There is no live stream and you cannot see how the match progresses. In principle you don't have that with real matches with real people, but the difference is that a live stream is available and that you know that it is not just software. There are people who do gamble on virtual games, but I don't see the point of that. I don't even know what those quotes are based on. The similarity in both cases is that as a gambler you have no influence whatsoever and are dependent on the system.

I've never bet on vFootball before and prefer real betting because it can be curious to be able to get more info. I also don't know if there was any manipulation in the virtual betting but it's possible that manipulation could have occurred because the matches weren't real matches either. Perhaps, you need to try real betting and feel a different experience from betting on virtual betting. And I think you will find things that can make you prefer real betting because there is a curiosity factor about the team that managed to win over their opponent.

I try live betting occasionally because sometimes it feels easier to predict the outcome of the match once some time has passed and you see how it's going. But yeah, a hard part is that the odds sometimes change very fast and it can can a couple of tries to approve the bet (because you want to place the bet but while you're choosing the amount you're betting and other similar things, the odds can change and you then need to reconfirm the bet). It's not scamming, it's not manipulations. And it's also not about virtual vs real betting as much as it is about live betting. I didn't have experience where the odds changed so drastically that I wouldn't want to make a bet (if it's over a very short period of time), so I was okay with seeing the opinion sway, basically, and the odds adjusting.
If you are referring by vFootball to virtual (simulated) games and bets on them, I don't think there's any evidence that it was manipulated either, at least not from the original post in the thread. I prefer betting on real events, though, as I think the way humans really interact on the field during the match is more interesting than an AI simulated game and outcome.

This is just an assumption though, it's nothing concrete since it's we only have your word for it (and people would be rather dumb if they took the words of an internet stranger as a fact immediately). Honestly though I don't know why you'd bet on Virtual sports, they're basically a simulation and there's nothing really fun about it AND you can't exactly help but assume of manipulation (we'll never know though tbf) since as I said, it's just a simulation.

Can't exactly say whether I've experienced manipulation in virtual bets, on some matches yes, local ones, but other than those then not really.

I would NEVER bet on a virtual event because it is not based on anything real and any prediction is purely based on chance.
in short, a waste of time and perhaps of money.
It's sure to be fun, with loads of events to play at any time, but the lack of history or real differences makes it a poor example of betting in my opinion.

In virtual football betting, bookies can manipulate it, but this rarely happens in popular casinos, and if a match is in progress, it's not being manipulated, but the exact odds are always changing.
I myself very rarely bet on virtual football, preferring live soccer betting, which is more predictable with all the research on the team to be selected, rather than predicting virtual soccer betting, which is difficult to predict.

It is better that people stay away from virtual sport bets, if predicting a sport match is already hard and you need to take countless factors just to try to determine who could win, this is taken to another level with virtual sports which can simulate any team playing at any time at any circumstances, besides unlike sports bets it does not seem as if you have any chance of beating the casino when making those bets, which is yet another reason to not consider it and instead make traditional sport bets.

I don't know whether there was manipulation or not in that bet because even if there was manipulation, how can we prove it?
I'd rather bet on a sport I can participate in than have to think about whether there's manipulation or the match is really fair.
If you enjoy betting on gambling, you shouldn't have to think about things like manipulation, cheating, or other things.
That way, you will not feel disappointed if you experience a big or small loss.

You can't compare virtual betting to real betting, there's this bad spirit that follows that type of Betting in some points whenever you are trying to get a win you endings up making lots of lost and it's very have a winning over there than normal betting. Betting on live matches most at times is very good but the chance of your odd get large is very small since is live, they changes as the games keeps running and could be very hard to place a smooth bet.

if you are really not prepared to get into this kind of betting, better not start. as you said, it is addictive. if there's manipulation going on. remember, people will always talk and such cheating would be known. so if there's no noise yet, it means, no one is cheating or the cheating has not been discovered yet.

Yes, through random number generator this works. Mostly this RNG will be in favour of the casino to bring profit and the house edge will be accordingly. It is really hard to have a proof that the sport is being manipulated.

As mentioned when there is more games available what's the need to spend on something that relies completely on pre programmed things. If not, just as fun need to spend little by little, and enjoy the game.

As far as I know, virtual betting is a game where predetermined results are possible but what makes it random is the number generator to determine the winner. In a way, the AI already knows who the winner but a random number generator (RNG) makes it random in a way.

To maximize results, I would personally bet on real games where outcome is dependent on the choices that you make. Relying completely on an AI result is something that can potentially be risky on your part.

Am a fanatic of vfootball, since its easily and readily decided within minutes, although its a hard sport because all the outcomes to the different games have been fixed so its either you loose or you win, it all based on how lucky you are, although if you are always constant on playing vfootball, you would have noticed some repetition of same scoreline on certain score but the problem how do you know when the same scoreline is going to pop up. So I guess it just about how lucky you are at the end of everything and the worst part of this gamble is that you can loose a lot in just few minutes.

There's no manipulation - as to the odds and potential win, nothing changes....what looks manipulated somehow is how the whole games changes against you when you've been sure to have them the other way -- in your favor (I meant to say).
I'll prefer the live bet, mostly popular European games because it can't get manipulated in anyway, so all you have to do is - make sure to have a good contrast between the two teams, and with the little or vast experience that you've got, you MIGHT hit your target,... everything depends on how lucky you are, friend.

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I don't trust very much those games to be honest, because AFAIK there is no way to see an history of the results of the matches and to watch/follow the games at an independent third party website. Hence, they could generate the results based on the bets placed by the players. For example if the biggest amount is placed on Team A, they could can make winning Team B. It would be easy money. So I prefer playing live casino games or provably fair ones instead.

^ I dont even know how it will work vfootball is and that is why betting on a real game will always be a good sport and good odds. It feels the same either, it seems this kind of sport can be doubtful into a fixed match game and it is possible. If you feel this way, switching to a real match could be better but if not, continue placing bets on vfootball.

Obviously, expect that placing a bet for about 10 to 15 parlay legs in a "LIVE BET" might have difficulty placing since odds are changing often even for a bit second. Lots of sequences on those events are happening even while you are choosing your bet, as it was a live game.

For me, if you are the type of bettor that really preferred betting on a such number of parlay legs, better to place it on pre-game instead.


There is no manipulation but unfortunately, you just didn't nail it. Why they should manipulate the results?

The system is RNG. You just really need some luck to win there. Why not try another one and see how good your overall stats in the long run?

When the results aren't in our favor, we think that there's something wrong with the pattern or algorithm of the casino regardless of what type of games we've played.

As for virtual betting, I don't bet on it but I do understand where you're coming from since the game is likely from the provider of the casino and what we're thinking is that they could modify some of its play and be in favor of them.

Something like that but there could be a way to verify bets and plays there, right?

Am not really the type that's into virtual betting, I have tried it few times before but I notice virtual betting is not for me, it's really easy to lose money in virtual betting and it's really easy to get addicted to so i believe virtual betting is not really for me, I have seen lot's of people wasting lots of money within few minutes on virtual betting.

I don't really know much about virtual betting so I don't really know how it's been manipulated, if you mean the odds were changing when you wanted to place your bet I think it's normal, the more matches are going, the more Odds are changing, odds are not always stable.

There's a lot of rumors about virtual betting, and some site have bad reviews already with regards to this, that's why I didn't try this option because I know it will purely based on your luck and how the system works. I still prefer to bet on a real sports, decide based on the odds and not just by any guesses. Try to bet on real sports, you'll see the big difference and you might not want to try virtual betting anymore, because you are more safe and free from any manipulation in real sports bet.

That's the obvious, when you play live betting, the odds are going to change, maybe the underdog score the goal so it's odds will jump and so with the favorite. The thing is that you have to be very quick in playing your bets, but you will be given time by the casinos to review your bet before placing them.


I'm not familiar with vFootball so I have to check what kind of games it is. And with that, I have limited knowledge about it, so I must say I'm not sure if they are manipulated or not. But it's gambling though, the risk is there, even odds of 1.01, who might think is a sure win for us, might not win at all. You can check this thread,  Gambler Loses 1.4 million USD in a bet with lower than 1.01 odds!. My point is that you will never really know the results, it might go against you and think it's manipulation.

I have never tried visual betting before, so clearly, no way to have experienced supposed manipulations with it.
I give my 100 percent attention to betting on real live sports, I believe I stand a better chance at winning when it comes to betting on real live sports, rather than the visual counterparts..

And by the way, putting multiple bets together in one bet slip greatly reduces the chances of winning, even double possible reward is always higher if won, depends on the number of games on the bet slip and the odds each of the games possess.

Virtual betting are based on the algorithm and its not manipulation, its just that you are betting based on your luck and not based on the skills of the players. I prefer more to bet on real sports and real players, by this you can analyze where to place your bet and know if its worth it or not. If you think that virtual betting is not working with your or just scamming you, then stop doing that right away and there's no point on telling there's a manipulation because many already know how its work.

On a real sport event, they can also be manipulated but yeah it's unlikely. Some says that smaller leagues are the ones who are prone to manipulations so the key is to avoid them and focus only on the bigger events because they are more stricter and guarded to ensure that the game is going to be fair and fun. Betting on favorite team doesn't guarantee a win but the opposing team can sometimes win. Same thing can happen in the virtual betting.

There is no problem with them but the problem is us because we think they are cheating us. Virtual betting still have their own advantages. This is why some bettors prefer them or play them while waiting for their live betting to be finished like the OP.

True virtual football are not manipulated, as one of the article[1] explained how virtual football works.  It was said that vfootball is the same as slots games.  Their outcome is controlled by RNG and was tightly monitored and regulated.  Unless the platform intentionally rigged the result like those that are in unregulated and unlicensed sites.


But for those who do not want to wait for a long time to know the result, virtual football is better since it only needs 3 min, to know the result[2], just play on the regulated and licensed platform to avoid manipulations and fixed games.

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[1] https://www.newbettingsites.co/articles/are-virtual-sports-fixed-are-they-fair/
[2] https://www.thexboxhub.com/what-is-virtual-football-and-why-is-it-so-popular

Virtual sports is a predetermined matches that doesn’t give importance much on the player skills since it’s just using an algorithm to sore each player ability. It’s not manipulated and rigged because there’s a bet on both side and bettors can placed bet anytime so there’s no sense for them to alter the result of the game because they made profit on the house edge.

Real sports bet is the best if you want to have a peace of mind about fairness of the result. The only advantage of Virtual bet is the convenience of betting anytime since there’s always a match available to bet.

As far as I know vfootball matches change based on a couple parameters, as well as randomized events and such and such that causes odds in between games to change drastically. No manipulation is at play in between games so there's no reason for you to think that the casino is working against you. If you're not that comfortable playing with vfootball I suggest you switch up games so you don't feel like you're being cheated on everytime you play a game.

I don't see it as manipulation. Maybe you are not experienced with vfootball. In virtual betting, the odds changes.
Maybe you don't know but virtual matches are determined by algorithms and random number generators so the "manipulation" you think you experienced is just how the system has been programmed.

vBetting is programmed betting, compared to real bet. Off course, how the house edge ended is always to make the casino profit. People are gonna to more playing in real bet rather than vBetting.

I know, cause I also sometimes playing like Virtual Blackjack from Evolution Game ~LOL and yeah, feel like rigged deck or system ~XD not make senses for the result.

As you aren't confortable with vfootball results and this category of gambling leads you to feel upset after all, it's better that you avoid it futurely, going only for the normal sports betting category on real events which are more unlikely and harder to be manipulated and fixed. Personally I also have a bad impression regards virtual sports, because when we bet on the favorite and the team loses, we always end with the feeling we were cheated by the system.

If there is such thing as manipulation in virtual sports then there must be proof but it's not easy to find one when they're very similar to sports betting. It's normal to see a bunch of favorites lose once in a while as i've seen countless favorites that should've won on paper and then still lose in the end.

That's not off-topic since OP also wanted to compare his bets on both sides. Anyway, I agree with you it's not easy to live bet when some matches can quickly shift and finish the other way around.

In all types of bets there must be such a thing as manipulation and it's no longer an open secret.
In sporting events or any game at stake, manipulation is unavoidable.
Gamblers can avoid manipulation when betting, but they must really choose and do the right analysis.
Not all gamblers are able to realize that there is manipulation in a match because gamblers are happy and carried away when they witness the course of the match and what is at stake.
Just try every match, no manipulation is done, so any bookie will definitely go bankrupt and lose a lot of money to pay for the wins of gamblers who bet.

General saying about betting on many games at a slip is that you are likely to lose and that is correct in my view. If you are betting 10/15 football matches, you have increased your losing chances.



Don't be quick to switch decision. You could have waited for your football bet to see the outcome but you hastily went to play on vfootball and you got hurt. It is not manipulation but it is already programmed.


There are no manipulation in vfootball. It is already scripted or programmed. It is simply a luck game and never on your prowess of analysis. Don't play it if you don't have chances of being lucky because it can't be analysed.

Vfootball is all about luck, since it is a fixed match and this game can make you loss big,if you think that you can use your own assumption to bet. I don't think there is any strategy to win vfootball because if you place your bet a on club that you think is strong,you might end up being disappointed with the result. If you bet on the right club that is to win the game,definitely you are going to win. There is no manipulation in the matches when it has started. My cousin won big with vfootball and when I asked d him he said he has studied the clubs that if they play against each other will win the match. He also admitted that it couldn't believe that he will win but he just tried and his luck brought him the win.
Only gamble with money that you can afford to lose

I think it's not manipulation but it's not impossible as well for vFootball to use your behavioral patterns in choosing your bets. In the end, you just need to have your strategy and to leave the rest in luck. If you enjoy betting in your faves, just do it. Just enjoy playing and gamble responsibly and disciplinedly.

Manipulation? Odds will continue changing as long as the match has not started yet, it qould be locked during the match. Much better if you have documented what happened. 'coz on our perspective, you're probably wiped because you chose a losing bet? Either you lose or win, these are the only outcomes, except for draw. It is impossible that you have a winning bet and still ended up losing because of what you are saying 'manipulation'. Think of the instances and review your bet, it is also possible that you made the wrong bet since you have mentioned that you had difficulties with placing your bet. Unless proven, this will just be an accusation.

Sorry for this is kind of off-topic. In-play bets may seem simple, but they are easy to lose, I hope you know that? Taking 15 in-play matches would have little likely chances to win. They only seem simple.

There is no manipulation about it, all the matches are fixed as usual, but you have to predict who would win during each match. No manipulation because any person can choose any odd. If you have been playing virtual bet very well, some matches are even repeated, they are fixed, but in a way you can win too.

On virtual matchs, the time play are not more than 30 seconds, so it can be addicting, you may first be winning, but if you continue to play, the betting site may later be favour. Gamble responsibly.

That's just a conspiracy theory.
You are not the only one who is making a bet on electronic games, maybe you just made a mistake. Did you consider that? Betting for the favorites doesn't mean it will always win.
There are just two faces in sports betting, win or lose, there's no maybe there. You lost, get over it, and try again another day.
And if electronic games are being manipulated by a higher power then it's up to you to avoid them. Don't force yourself on betting on something you don't know and rant about it afterward.
Move on, change sports, or stick to the games that you have knowledge about to enhance the winning chance.

My little experience while trying to look compare these two types of bets
I could be right or wrong maybe you can share your own experience to know how it goes.

Last night was trying to bet on live matches (Sports betting) although most of the matches already started running and while some have few minutes to start, after selecting about 10 to 15 matches to place my bet it was a bit difficult due to odds were dropping as well changing so I managed to place the bet and it went successfully.

After few minutes I decide to take a look into vFootball i could also get some winning over there, Surprisingly i was wipe with their manipulation at this point i just have to quick to wait for the previously bet matches to finished running.

Have you experience the manipulations over vFootball betting?
Though i don't know if this thread already created, If yes then ref here i would be happy to locking this thread.