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I've accepted my mistake and apologized to Vod in a PM.
I've accepted my mistake and apologized to Vod in a PM.
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
None is being offered.
None is being accepted.
None was ever offered.
You are correct Bicknellski! None was ever offered or would be accepted.
Nor will it be offered.
Yes Bicknellski - I am paying attention to you as is the rest of the forum!
It will never be offered, and if it is, it will never be accepted.
We understand you.
Don't hate the player hate their game.
Why would anyone care if you accept it or not be it now, next week or ever?
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The stability of the forum doesn't rest on VOD's participation levels you give him far too much credit. Seems like the scammers got caught scamming in this instance and are hurt and are lashing out. Tsk tsk tsk... stop selling keys you are not legally entitled to sell end of problem right?
Received a PM from a scammer this afternoon:
So these losers know what they are doing is wrong - they just don't care your key will stop working as long as they make a few bucks.
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I think you at least should change it to "Scamming Microsoft by selling keys which he doesn't possess resale rights to" or something like that
So these losers know what they are doing is wrong - they just don't care your key will stop working as long as they make a few bucks.
Funny, you just have no idea how this business works behind the scenes. I admit, there recently came a lot of new sellers who will probably scam people (with $2 for Office 2013 Pro Plus as an example), but the more legit sellers like me do offer support. So far, I've had only a few complaints and I've solved them all (Jstarc excluded, but that's a whole different reason).
How exactly are u providing support to customers ? It is not in your right to sell those keys, so at best you can provide another key that will eventualy create issues also..
Selling things like that should not have place on this forum, if we want to keep it as bitcoin's main forum, and Vod is right when he gave you -ive
cheers
Received a PM from a scammer this afternoon:
So these losers know what they are doing is wrong - they just don't care your key will stop working as long as they make a few bucks.
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I think you at least should change it to "Scamming Microsoft by selling keys which he doesn't possess resale rights to" or something like that
So these losers know what they are doing is wrong - they just don't care your key will stop working as long as they make a few bucks.
Funny, you just have no idea how this business works behind the scenes. I admit, there recently came a lot of new sellers who will probably scam people (with $2 for Office 2013 Pro Plus as an example), but the more legit sellers like me do offer support. So far, I've had only a few complaints and I've solved them all (Jstarc excluded, but that's a whole different reason).
Received a PM from a scammer this afternoon:
So these losers know what they are doing is wrong - they just don't care your key will stop working as long as they make a few bucks.
Quote
I think you at least should change it to "Scamming Microsoft by selling keys which he doesn't possess resale rights to" or something like that
So these losers know what they are doing is wrong - they just don't care your key will stop working as long as they make a few bucks.
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
None is being offered.
None is being accepted.
None was ever offered.
You are correct Bicknellski! None was ever offered or would be accepted.
Nor will it be offered.
Yes Bicknellski - I am paying attention to you as is the rest of the forum!
It will never be offered, and if it is, it will never be accepted.
We understand you.
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
None is being offered.
None is being accepted.
None was ever offered.
You are correct Bicknellski! None was ever offered or would be accepted.
Nor will it be offered.
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
None is being offered.
None is being accepted.
None was ever offered.
You are correct Bicknellski! None was ever offered or would be accepted.
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
None is being offered.
None is being accepted.
None was ever offered.
He said "would not", not "am not" or "will not".
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
None is being offered.
None is being accepted.
None was ever offered.
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
None is being offered.
None is being accepted.
You sure act like you're a moderator though.
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
None is being offered.
None is being accepted.
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
None is being offered.
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.
FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !
Vod for Global Moderator !
Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.
However I do not think sell MSDN key is illegal, illegal has another meaning.
I honestly don't agree with Vod's policy on MSDN sellers however I don't think this consistent troll fest against Vod is appropriate.
You really need to look at the bigger picture when trolling Vod.
This is an example of why it is a bad idea to put a lot of effort into calling out scammers. It is a thankless thing to do and all you get is personal attacks and people making up crazy, false accusations against you whose sole point is to get them to stop preventing scammers from being able to scam in the future.
You really need to look at the bigger picture when trolling Vod.
This is an example of why it is a bad idea to put a lot of effort into calling out scammers. It is a thankless thing to do and all you get is personal attacks and people making up crazy, false accusations against you whose sole point is to get them to stop preventing scammers from being able to scam in the future.
Exactly, everyone can 'make' an error...
I honestly don't agree with Vod's policy on MSDN sellers however I don't think this consistent troll fest against Vod is appropriate.
You really need to look at the bigger picture when trolling Vod.
This is an example of why it is a bad idea to put a lot of effort into calling out scammers. It is a thankless thing to do and all you get is personal attacks and people making up crazy, false accusations against you whose sole point is to get them to stop preventing scammers from being able to scam in the future.
You really need to look at the bigger picture when trolling Vod.
This is an example of why it is a bad idea to put a lot of effort into calling out scammers. It is a thankless thing to do and all you get is personal attacks and people making up crazy, false accusations against you whose sole point is to get them to stop preventing scammers from being able to scam in the future.
Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from. There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales. Just look at the TOS
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Though what Microsoft wants and what they legally can want sometimes are different things. I dont know how its the case in this case here but with windows 7 oem and lower they lost at courts in germany when they wanted to forbid the resale of the win 7 serial codes. They claimed they sold them together with the hardware and they dont want them to be sold.
Court said that they can be sold of course. Nobody can forbid you to sell your property.
Then MS started to put the serial code for windows oem into the motherboard. Starting from windows 8. If you now break your mainboard then you cant verify your windows anymore. Except you buy a new mainboard from the supplier you got your pc from. If you have a notebook you have further problems since exchanging a notebook mainboard is not so easy.
Every case is different. As an example in Italy we had courts rulings saying it may amount to a misdemeanour some saying it may amount to a felony and others handing out only lesser administrative penalties. IMO a better solutions would be to leave a neutral feedback; however, if Vod have a really strong, firm, reason to consider OP a Scammer he have all the rights to leave him a -ve trust feedback!
Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from. There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales. Just look at the TOS
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Though what Microsoft wants and what they legally can want sometimes are different things. I dont know how its the case in this case here but with windows 7 oem and lower they lost at courts in germany when they wanted to forbid the resale of the win 7 serial codes. They claimed they sold them together with the hardware and they dont want them to be sold.
Court said that they can be sold of course. Nobody can forbid you to sell your property.
Then MS started to put the serial code for windows oem into the motherboard. Starting from windows 8. If you now break your mainboard then you cant verify your windows anymore. Except you buy a new mainboard from the supplier you got your pc from. If you have a notebook you have further problems since exchanging a notebook mainboard is not so easy.
Thank you for clarifying the difference between what MS wants and what is illegal.
The jury thing, it's just like American Jury Duty. Everybody hates it.
Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from. There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales. Just look at the TOS
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Though what Microsoft wants and what they legally can want sometimes are different things. I dont know how its the case in this case here but with windows 7 oem and lower they lost at courts in germany when they wanted to forbid the resale of the win 7 serial codes. They claimed they sold them together with the hardware and they dont want them to be sold.
Court said that they can be sold of course. Nobody can forbid you to sell your property.
Then MS started to put the serial code for windows oem into the motherboard. Starting from windows 8. If you now break your mainboard then you cant verify your windows anymore. Except you buy a new mainboard from the supplier you got your pc from. If you have a notebook you have further problems since exchanging a notebook mainboard is not so easy.
FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !
It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.Vod for Global Moderator !
FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !
It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.Vod for Global Moderator !
Why do you have to?
I could support VOD if there was a clearly identified impartial body that had the final decision of the outcome, whether it merely be a negative rep. remark or outright banishment. But one person acting as cop, judge, jury, and executioner flies in the face of civic processes. Fix that and unleash the VOD to patrol the nether-webs all you care to. As long as a system exists with due process for both sides.
Piece of cake. Random members can serve in a jury pool consisting of members representative of all levels, new and old. Hell, why don't I just set that up for you kids real quick...
FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !
It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.Vod for Global Moderator !
Why do you have to?
FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !
It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.Vod for Global Moderator !
He might... and so might those complaining about him. Catch 22.
There is always more unseen than seen in these all or nothing propositions that get argued here. For me more concerned with some of these accounts just off view just purchased carrying out these crimes.
FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !
It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.Vod for Global Moderator !
FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !
Vod for Global Moderator !
It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.
Vod certainly has gotten on people's nerves with his actions, but i have never seen anyone that got burned if he/she didn't deserve it in some way.
He says he's not a cop, but on this forum he sure is closest to that title, and if it was up to me i would hire him as staff, because without people like him this forum would be hackforums v2.
It takes guts to stand up to wrongdoing, especially when higher ranked members are involved, but Vod doesnt care; im confident that if even Theymos himself tried something unethical, Vod would
be the first one to flag him, and then back off to licking his boob..
If anything, he deserves more credit than what he's getting, but that's just my opinion.
cheers
He says he's not a cop, but on this forum he sure is closest to that title, and if it was up to me i would hire him as staff, because without people like him this forum would be hackforums v2.
It takes guts to stand up to wrongdoing, especially when higher ranked members are involved, but Vod doesnt care; im confident that if even Theymos himself tried something unethical, Vod would
be the first one to flag him, and then back off to licking his boob..
If anything, he deserves more credit than what he's getting, but that's just my opinion.
cheers
Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
Vod certainly has gotten on people's nerves with his actions, but i have never seen anyone that got burned if he/she didn't deserve it in some way.
He says he's not a cop, but on this forum he sure is closest to that title, and if it was up to me i would hire him as staff, because without people like him this forum would be hackforums v2.
It takes guts to stand up to wrongdoing, especially when higher ranked members are involved, but Vod doesnt care; im confident that if even Theymos himself tried something unethical, Vod would
be the first one to flag him, and then back off to licking his boob..
If anything, he deserves more credit than what he's getting, but that's just my opinion.
cheers
He says he's not a cop, but on this forum he sure is closest to that title, and if it was up to me i would hire him as staff, because without people like him this forum would be hackforums v2.
It takes guts to stand up to wrongdoing, especially when higher ranked members are involved, but Vod doesnt care; im confident that if even Theymos himself tried something unethical, Vod would
be the first one to flag him, and then back off to licking his boob..
If anything, he deserves more credit than what he's getting, but that's just my opinion.
cheers
I am with Vod... Promoting all scams BTC is not doing Bitcoin any good.
FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !
Vod for Global Moderator !
So if you're to get sued in court without having the opportunity to defend yourself, have an impartial jury of your peers weigh and ponder the evidence, and present evidence or testimony in your defense, you're cool with that? Because Norh Korea has some awesome real estate.
All BS aside, this is getting a little out of hand and detracts from our chief aim of promoting all things BTC. Can we get back to the party please?
And go Texas Rangers!
FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !
Vod for Global Moderator !
Still, it's not illegal when you're talking about laws, it's just against there TOS.
Ok, go ahead and start your "democratic petition" while you ignore everything the democracy stands for.
No wonder you hide behind an anonymous account.
How am I ignoring everything it stands for? I'm just giving you my opinion. Anyways, I offered you an adult conversation, but you continue being childish. I will offer it for the last time. Explain to me how I'm wrong (and how I'm a scammer in your eyes) in a Skype conversation. If you can prove to me that I'm wrong, I will stop all business immediately.
But for real, stop being childish, it will make you look bad.
Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from. There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales. Just look at the TOS
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
For the 10,000th time, BREAKING A T.O.S. AGREEMENT IS NOT A CRIMINAL ACT. IT IS 100% WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF CIVIL CONTRACT LAW.
I'm not a cop, and I'm not enforcing criminal law. Stop shouting!
Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from. There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales. Just look at the TOS
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
For the 10,000th time, BREAKING A T.O.S. AGREEMENT IS NOT A CRIMINAL ACT. IT IS 100% WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF CIVIL CONTRACT LAW. If your standard is that no TOS agreements should be violated, almost NO VIRTUAL GOODS would be allowed to be sold on the forum. Furthermore if it was illegal, it would be against forum rules, and the mods and admins would remove it themselves if reported! Therefore the only conclusion left is VOD has trouble controlling his impulses to order people around and start drama.
Still, it's not illegal when you're talking about laws, it's just against there TOS.
Ok, go ahead and start your "democratic petition" while you ignore everything the democracy stands for.
No wonder you hide behind an anonymous account.
You are not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
According to Microsoft terms (which you agreed to if you obtained the keys legally), you are not allowed to resell the keys.
So did you obtain these keys legally and agree to the terms not to resell, or did you obtain the keys illegally?
One or the other my scammer friend.
Still, it's not illegal when you're talking about laws, it's just against their TOS.
You are not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
According to Microsoft terms (which you agreed to if you obtained the keys legally), you are not allowed to resell the keys.
So did you obtain these keys legally and agree to the terms not to resell, or did you obtain the keys illegally?
One or the other my scammer friend.
Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from. There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales. Just look at the TOS
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Did you notice how the OP simply "ignored" your post?
I did write something beneath it, but apparently it didn't appear (thus the quote without a reply). I said that selling MSDN keys isn't illegal at all. It's against Microsoft's TOS, but it's not illegal.
Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from. There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales. Just look at the TOS
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Did you notice how the OP simply "ignored" your post?
I'm not threatening you right now, I'm talking about real actions.
I'm thinking of a democratic petition which we can all sign to show the forum administrators and moderators that Vod is abusing his powers and is a threat to the stability of Bitcointalk.
I'm thinking of a democratic petition which we can all sign to show the forum administrators and moderators that Vod is abusing his powers and is a threat to the stability of Bitcointalk.
I'm all for this - let's come out of the shadows and deal with this in the public legal system.
I'll win, and you'll be exposed.
Bring it, scammer!
I'm not even in the shadows... I'm not trying to hide anything. Right now, there isn't any evidence that can bring you to court yet, but I will find it, don't worry.
Ok, I won't.
Onto your next fake paypal account, Mr. Anonymous...
Look at you, acting like a little child. For real, do we want this kind of person to be basically in charge of the forum? I don't think so.
I'm not threatening you right now, I'm talking about real actions.
I'm thinking of a democratic petition which we can all sign to show the forum administrators and moderators that Vod is abusing his powers and is a threat to the stability of Bitcointalk.
I'm thinking of a democratic petition which we can all sign to show the forum administrators and moderators that Vod is abusing his powers and is a threat to the stability of Bitcointalk.
I'm all for this - let's come out of the shadows and deal with this in the public legal system.
I'll win, and you'll be exposed.
Bring it, scammer!
I'm not even in the shadows... I'm not trying to hide anything. Right now, there isn't any evidence that can bring you to court yet, but I will find it, don't worry.
Ok, I won't.
Onto your next fake paypal account, Mr. Anonymous...
I'm not threatening you right now, I'm talking about real actions.
I'm thinking of a democratic petition which we can all sign to show the forum administrators and moderators that Vod is abusing his powers and is a threat to the stability of Bitcointalk.
I'm thinking of a democratic petition which we can all sign to show the forum administrators and moderators that Vod is abusing his powers and is a threat to the stability of Bitcointalk.
I'm all for this - let's come out of the shadows and deal with this in the public legal system.
I'll win, and you'll be exposed.
Bring it, scammer!
I'm not even in the shadows... I'm not trying to hide anything. Right now, there isn't any evidence that can bring you to court yet, but I will find it, don't worry.
I'm not threatening you right now, I'm talking about real actions.
I'm thinking of a democratic petition which we can all sign to show the forum administrators and moderators that Vod is abusing his powers and is a threat to the stability of Bitcointalk.
I'm thinking of a democratic petition which we can all sign to show the forum administrators and moderators that Vod is abusing his powers and is a threat to the stability of Bitcointalk.
I'm all for this - let's come out of the shadows and deal with this in the public legal system.
I'll win, and you'll be exposed.
Bring it, scammer!
Now, Vod has tracked down one of my PayPal addresses (Aint using it anymore so don't worry).
If you aren't using it anymore, that's ok. You'll be blacklisted from opening up anymore paypal accounts. I know you can't continually open up fake bank accounts with stolen credit cards. There is a limit to your anonymity.
Try and create a new paypal address using a VPN... soon enough you'll use it to sell more stolen goods, it will be reported to me, and it will be blacklisted.
Your threats are empty - you hide in the shadows. BUT you have an alternative - stop selling stolen Microsoft keys.
Have a wonderful day, scammer "Jake".
"Stop selling Microsoft keys". You can't tell me what to do, it's as simple as that. As stated by the person above you, I'm not selling any stolen goods. If I am, tell me what is exactly stolen? As I can't see one thing that is.
I don't even use credit cards for my PayPal. I honestly never used a CC ever in my life.
"Scammer Jake" made me laugh. Tell one person I've scammed. Don't say Jstarc, because he wouldn't even let me help him as he immediately opened up a PayPal claim.
For example, last time, I sold someone an invite and it got blocked because of some reason. You know what I did? I sent him the full payment back, even though he already generated keys with it. Of course, you won't believe me, but who are you?
Obviously, you don't understand. When something is against a company's TOS, it doesn't mean it's illegal and the goods are stolen.
Now, Vod has tracked down one of my PayPal addresses (Aint using it anymore so don't worry).
If you aren't using it anymore, that's ok. You'll be blacklisted from opening up anymore paypal accounts. I know you can't continually open up fake bank accounts with stolen credit cards. There is a limit to your anonymity.
Try and create a new paypal address using a VPN... soon enough you'll use it to sell more stolen goods, it will be reported to me, and it will be blacklisted.
Your threats are empty - you hide in the shadows. BUT you have an alternative - stop selling stolen Microsoft keys.
Have a wonderful day, scammer "Jake".
Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from. There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales. Just look at the TOS
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
Now, Vod has tracked down one of my PayPal addresses (Aint using it anymore so don't worry).
If you aren't using it anymore, that's ok. You'll be blacklisted from opening up anymore paypal accounts. I know you can't continually open up fake bank accounts with stolen credit cards. There is a limit to your anonymity.
Try and create a new paypal address using a VPN... soon enough you'll use it to sell more stolen goods, it will be reported to me, and it will be blacklisted.
Your threats are empty - you hide in the shadows. BUT you have an alternative - stop selling stolen Microsoft keys.
Have a wonderful day, scammer "Jake".
Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from. There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales. Just look at the TOS
Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx
If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above you could prove it's legal. But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.
He has pretty well admitted what he is doing is illegal here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11199096
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11199096
Now, Vod has tracked down one of my PayPal addresses (Aint using it anymore so don't worry).
If you aren't using it anymore, that's ok. You'll be blacklisted from opening up anymore paypal accounts. I know you can't continually open up fake bank accounts with stolen credit cards. There is a limit to your anonymity.
Try and create a new paypal address using a VPN... soon enough you'll use it to sell more stolen goods, it will be reported to me, and it will be blacklisted.
Your threats are empty - you hide in the shadows. BUT you have an alternative - stop selling stolen Microsoft keys.
Have a wonderful day, scammer "Jake".
Please close this thread.
I've accepted my mistake and apologized to Vod in a PM.
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