Topic: Vod's Change (Read 1381 times)

I apologize to everyone for the length of time it took  to complete my business here.  Many times I had de-prioritized Mr. OG's embezzlement proof, but he kept testing his limits here, until he found out he can lie about a serious PM, and no one will take action.  I have no choice but to defend myself against this baseless accusation by exposing the long dishonest history of this sociopath.  My proof is complete and the website will go up by the end of this month.  My interaction with that scammer is over as no one respects his words anymore.  By 2021, either he will "decide" to leave, or I will. 

Because I am still moral at heart, and I know his what his attitude will get him in prison, I am not going to be the one to turn Mr. OG in to the authorities.   He will have ample time to review the evidence as it grows and spreads, and can turn himself in at any time for leniency before there is a polite knock on his door.  You can't shred the blockchain. 

He is going to have many years to think about how hard it would been to have swallowed his pride and typed "I reached out to Vod about getting a Nastyfans logo on his site, and when he asked my budget, I told him seats and their donations keep my expenses low.".   If he had kept quiet he would have been set for life.

Follow up info from previous post:

- In lieu of the pandemic, I'm probably not moving to the Caribbean.     
- My stroke was caused by a birth defect, and 37 years ago I had a valve transplant.  It was supposed to last only 7 years!
- I don't drink anymore, but everyone has terrible stories from the first times their brains experienced alcohol. 
- clubcrypto.live is taking longer to launch as I am constantly adapting the framework for new technology and protocols/standards.

#peace2021?

^^^ Techy posts old information everyone has seen.   

After a period of peace, OGNasty suddenly proclaimed he will call me a con artist when I try to launch my machine learning service.  He wants to continue to fleece the community for escrow and other duties at rates many times what can be offered, at more risk than is necessary.


OG, do you remember the banner management campaign where you took 50% of the Advertiser's coin as your fee?

My service will take greed out of the process altogether.   

Hopefully this community will spend some of the service fees they save inside my club.  I'm looking to eventually prove $1,000US in residual income for legal purposes, but any income will go to the club.

Suddenly anything critical of Vod's behavior in this thread is off topic. Bringing up the fact that this thread is just a pathetic attempt at eliciting sympathy to distract from his illegal and abusive behavior is apparently off topic.




Of course no one is allowed to bring up the fact that he does this every time pressure is put on him as a result of his inexcusable abusive behavior...


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1074434.0;all

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-im-taking-a-break-for-a-few-weeks-5144112

Been planning it ever since I had to walk in crutches 3 blocks twice a day in the coldest weather in 40 years, lol I am so ready to trade cold for snakes and corruption.

I'll put out a general call when I'm ready to sponsor those that would like to move to the area that will be least affected by climate change in the short to mid term. 

Seems like you have done your research. I am unaware of which countries allow these facilities but if you have done the ground work it should be good for you. I read in another post you were an early adopter of Bitcoin and were holding a few so that should be enough to help faciliate your retirement plans.

Whenever you get there you must post some photos of the beautiful blue sea and great sandy beaches. Until then, just keep posting here as usual and stay focused on your other projects.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!

Vod leaving BTCtalk?

I just saw this thread; apart from all the philosophical musings and opinions (I mostly agree with Vod over here and as it is i rarely agree with theymos (not that my opinion matters)), but I am really glad u didn't leave.

On a sincere note; it wud be a disaster if Vod, suchmoon, foxpup, The Pharmacist, Jetcash, LoyceV etc. left (not taking names of staff admin).

Actually, now is the time to make the move!

Write the government, ask for a land donation on the ocean to develop new technology.  There are some hurdles, but if you can prove certain income (as low as $1000US a month) they will give you citizenship and land they can no longer sell.  At least for Canadians, anyway.

The world is your oyster... whatever you decide to do for your happiness and your health is paramount. Retiring in the Caribbean sounds like a great idea, I hope it happens at the right time when you want it to happen.

Wishing you good health and success in all your plans and endeavours. 

I want to clear up some rumors idiots spread.

My stroke was caused by something that happened to me 37 years ago.  It had nothing to do with busting scammers or stress.

My house and car are paid off.  While not working for several months did drain a lot of resources, I'm not on welfare. 

Overall I lost over $2,000 developing and running BPIP.  I'm running my new project in a separate corporation and will be fundraising to develop it.  My goal is to make $1,000 a month residual income, so I can get citizenship in a caribbean country, sell my house, and retire.

I hope I can count on your support when I launch my collectible series. 

I'm sorry you feel that way.  I'll lock this thread for now to avoid perpetuating the conflict.  

Yeah, I tried that. He insists on perpetuating the conflict, which frankly I don't care about until he starts abusing the trust system. Yes, yes, poor Vod. He is just being manipulative to avoid culpability for his actions just like the several other times I just showed you. Frankly I find this to be disgusting behavior that makes it difficult for people to get leeway when they actually need it. To him it is just an effective way to deflect his responsibility for his actions.

I will "give him some space" when he fixes the damage he has done to me and removes his frivolous and abusive negative ratings. He doesn't need space, he just thinks this will be an effective way to avoid responsibility for his behavior and get away with leaving up his abusive negative ratings for me.

tee, I'm sorry you were still tagged from before.  I really wish you had let me know I missed you, but I guess you still have a lot of distrust for me from the past.  :/

If there is ever a conflict between events I describe now, and the same events I may have described earlier, then I will suggest the earlier description would have been correct, since my memory would have been more fresh.  I'm certainly not lying about anything. 

I'm hoping one day we can move forward, and I am going to live with your distrust, because I did do something distrustful. 

#2020peace

I read the links, thank you. I was not aware of them but I cannot say what sentiments Vod was going through at the time of those posts.

To be fair maybe it is time to give him some space, things do not seem right and he probably needs some time away to relax especially after the health scares. Stress and alike affect different people in different ways, maybe right now is not the time to continue it.

If you were having a bad few days and all you needed was just a little time to relax you probably would not appreciate it if you were in his shoes. At least let him return in after a short time out and hopefully in a better frame of mind before you and he can re-start hostilities? I am sorry if I speak out of turn but I am not aware as to what the issue is behind the hostilities between both of you but hopefully they can be resolved amicably (with some arbitration if necessary) then you both can start from a new page. I hope so.

Is it wise to go over it again? It is in the past whatever it might have been. Apart from what I read in this thread I am unaware of the past issues too so most of it was new to me but why should you go over it again? Forget it whatever it was.

You should consider using the IGNORE button on people that you no longer want to engage with. Simply relax and take care of your health, start work on your new venture and keep posting here too just as DireWolfM14 mentioned in an post earlier.

What game? You mean you abusing the trust system to serve your petty personal vendettas? You mean that "game"? Thanks for admitting you see the trust system as your personal plaything.

If you really want to know, you can PM me.  Techy doesn't want the game to end, but it will.  :/

He doesn't. He is just blame shifting to draw attention away from his own behavior preemptively because he knows Theymo's patience with him is running out after the whole doxing and reporting a user to the IRS thing. He is probably hoping he can manipulate Theymos by getting him to focus on examining his own actions and be distracted from Vod's behavior. Worked for Lauda... why shouldn't Vod try it?

What was the backstory here? What happened in which you saw a lack of morality from theymos?

I would not like to be in Theymos place and I am not so sure that anyone else would do much better 'job' observing all the little clans and mini-groups in this forum.
Its getting boring also 

I'll let you edit this before I red tag you for lying.

@Vod - I had no idea about the issues mentioned in the OP or the background issues going back further. I will take the opportunity to wish you good health. Sorry to read about all the things that happened to you. Stay positive and do as many things as you can with your time as long as brings you happiness.


Me too, I am looking forward to the new website/project whenever it is ready. Wish you success. And I concur, life is too short so for anybody to find something they enjoy doing is important. I hope you find happiness in whatever you decide to do and thankfully we will be seeing you around here too. If you handed BPIP over who is running it now?


An excellent post. I would like to extend those same sentiments. DireWolfM14 summed it up well, just do what you need to do as long as it makes you enjoy your time.

I told Theymos from the start what happened to me.   The night I posted dox on the forum was one of the first times I'd "had a few" at home since the stroke.  I literally went unconscious in my chair after posting that, and when I awoke in the morning I deleted the post and worked with Theymos to clean up the damage.  I've never gotten drunk since - two beers at a social function is my absolute limit.  This may explain why Theymos suggested forgiveness.

I'm sorry if my initial post sounded like I was joining Theymos Vader.  Again, I believe Theymos feels the good that people do can outweigh the bad.  I feel the same way, but for me the "bad" does not decay and builds up.   I want to forgive faster, like he does.

I likewise had no inkling that you'd suffered a stroke.  A work colleague had one at work and another person I know also had a stroke - both were quite debilitating.  If you're still able to be an active participant of the forum after a stroke then you are very fortunate indeed.  Please keep us updated on your progress.

I've been baffled by the power plays that have gone on year after year here - it seems people woke up on abut the 3rd of January this year and said "you know what? I think I've had enough of the bickering" which has been refreshing to see.

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As to the comment to you concerning signatures:

It'll be interesting to see whether the ones getting paid $6 per post for their bile are going to be able to find things to talk about constructively, or struggle as their cash for comments dry-up.

So Vod, with your newfound change, when do you plan on removing your abusive trust ratings since you are all turning over a new leaf and everything?

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thx eddie13... that was quite unexpected from you.    I appreciate it!

@Vod, I had no idea you had a stroke last year, man I'm sorry to hear that.  I'm glad to hear you are recovering, and I sincerely wish you the best of health.

I also had no idea you have worked as a cop.  I know from experience that LEOs have a hard time with trust.  I watched as a very close family friend alienated his children, and went years without seeing them.  This weight heavy on his heart and mind until he finally was able to see his own roll and responsibilities in his family's relationship.  This wasn't until years after retirement, and only a few years before his death.

Life is too short to take things so seriously, and this is just the internet after all.  If what TMAN said is accurate, that you plan on renting a boat, do it!  Go fishing, catch some sun, knock back a few cold ones, and enjoy your time.

I hope to see you around for years to come.

I'm not going to cut your OP to pieces here, but rather I'd like to commend you on your conclusion to agree to disagree..

You being a cop, law enforcement, government authority, held the monopoly on force and violence, while theymos is an Anarchist, I can imagine that their are many things you would disagree on..

I only recently learned of your stroke a week or 2 ago, ish..
It explained a lot to me as far as your actions, and I am truly sorry it happened to you..

#Respect and I hope that you can end your battles with your perceived enemies over your philosophical differences..

If you dont trust the admin,who the fuck would trust you? compare to him you are a piece of shit just like your colleagues.

Theymos is not "ok with theft". This is simply a mischaracterization to place the blame on Theymos for the tendency of certain users here to abuse the trust system arbitrarily and in a manner that is targeting specific users rather than the alleged crimes themselves. He, rightly so sees the abuse of the trust system over petty matters to be counterproductive and antithetical to the mission of the trust system and the forum itself. This idea that he is "ok with theft" is simply a manipulative ploy to try to pressure him into allowing these users abusing the trust system to do so in an unrestricted manner and to shift the blame from the abusers to Theymos. Vod painted himself into a corner here, now he is grasping for any straw he can to excuse his behavior.

If he is OK with theft as long as nobody loses an eye... then why is he banning people for plagiarism?

Something doesn't add up.

Yep, he only likes starting fights. He likes to "end" them only when he has what he wants, and before he suffers any repercussions, and then wants no further discussion of the matter. Of course this is just a temporary measure until his compulsions inevitably get the better of him again and he reverts to his previous abusive and antagonistic behavior within a few weeks, as demonstrated by his previous claims of "taking a break" in the past.

I'm glad you've decided to move on to things that you like again, life's too short to fight on the internet

I'm looking forward to your new site.

Whether theymos is more forgiving or not is one thing, but I sincerely hope that he does not view theft this way. IMO, theft causes harm in more ways than one. It has been my understanding that it is not moderated to prevent a false sense of security. If he truly does believe that theft does not create any harm, then I need to question my own involvement with this forum, because that's a destructive attitude... and one that would make Craig Wright look like a genius saint.

Now I guess there are different levels of theft... but theymos bans for stealing text (plagiarism), so I have to think he doesn't like theft. And I have to assume anything worse than that is also against his philosophies, but can't be easily moderated or will provide people a false sense of security when it comes to financial dealings.

People shouldn't be stealing from others in our own community in any way, there are enough governments, politicians, bankers, etc. who steal from their people constantly. We shouldn't be doing it to each other. And anyone that philosophically supports this is, IMO, a damage to this community, or really any community they are a part of.

(My fortune cookie yesterday prepared me for this lol)
"It is better to be the head of a chicken, than the tail of an ox."
I looked it up yesterday just to figure out wtf it even meant because, well, fortune cookies are funny sometimes... but it made a good point.

TMAN, I told you enormous time to stop your poetry on me. Seems like your way of dealing people is very much different than me and it's fine but if you really need to have a conversation with me then be in the same gentlemanship boat as I am or you are always welcome not to pick my posts and leave your ideology there.

I do not like anyone swearing on me. I hope I made it clear now.

I am not good at frying sausage and it's not necessary that one has to do it. Besides frying things, there are more to this forum and I am sure you already found few. There will be agreement and disagreement but as long as you will be enjoying your time, your time counts.

Peace buddy and seeing you around.

I'm not taking a break from the forum, just from frying big sausages here.    Going to stick mostly to machine learning and crypto trending.   This forum will continue to be one of my resources.  

#2020peace

I think theymos is doing his best to run this community without pushing his personal phylosopy to the community. If he and his team (mods and other staffs) were to involve in every scam and spam that happpens in the community then we would not see any difference between how a state works and how a community that believe in decentralisation works.

We do not need anyone giving us rules to obey and the enforcement team to protect the given rules. Being with law enforcement for years might made you to follow some decepline but there are more to explore in the world where deceplite in the last thing it needs.

Sorry to hear that after all these years you discovered that your interest does not suit this community. Some of your works helped this community to move forward back in the days. Enjoy your break time.

Right, now its Theymos's fault too. Funny, this kind of thread seems familiar, almost like you do it every time you go too far to elicit sympathy and escape repercussions for your actions, every single time returning to repeat the exact same abusive behavior.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1074434.0;all

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-im-taking-a-break-for-a-few-weeks-5144112

The same old sad children's party magician doing all the same old sad tricks, and getting mad at the kids who point out you can't really pull quarters out of your ears. You attack attack and attack endlessly, then when it bites you in the ass you play a victim, run away for a little bit, and resume the exact same behavior. Of course you want to be the victim while the victimization you subjected others to still stands and hope everyone just forgets and you get to keep the little lies and vendettas you have collected.

You can do all the things you want to serve the community without any power within the trust system, which you belong nowhere near as you have very clearly demonstrated. Of course that is not what you really value most, serving the community, you value the authority over others that you are free to lord over people, and lash out compulsively to serve your own personal impulses.

I am sorry to hear that. My words may have sounded insincere because I suspected you were not the real VOD.

I have locked the other thread. I wish all non scamming members well. You have done a lot of good and helped a lot of people in the past.

I know when things are personal it can be very hurtful, especially if you have previously tried your best to help others and do the right thing. I honestly believe in a lot of cases There is just a misunderstanding that grows out of hand. I personally believe you fell in with the wrong crowd but we need not discuss that further.

Rest up and enjoy your life. When objective transparent standards are introduced the fighting will be greatly reduced. The evironment will become less toxic.

Well done for not selling out though. Lack of greed is something one must marvel at in these times.

Vod, you are cool and an asset to this place.

Ignore the Pajeets and haters, imagine them using their tears as wanking lubricant and have a drink/joint/line and know that you are worth 10x the haters.

chill out more and remember life is a beautiful thing brother!

Vod, I think you deserve a break.
For what it's worth, this is just my opinion.
I wouldn't consider myself to have much of a high impact on this forum but I've surely been watching Vod throughout my years here.

I remember you keeping a spotless record in busting scams for years. Even from the early days, being notorious for categorically denying newbies no collateral loans, having the patience to explain each and every time.

I find the work on BPIP admirable and I'm really appreciative the efforts you put to give back to the community of this forum.
But recently I had noticed that more and more members were caught in spats with you, with no intention of backing down.

I tend to agree with theymos on not regulating potential scams and allowing maximum free speech. I also find his thought process on forgiveness reasonable, although I had expressed my views that any guidance on preferred use of trust system would likely fall on deaf ears. The reason I tend to agree with being forgiving, is that if every forum member just couldn't let go ever, and instead was taking issues they came across personally, then nobody would have been doing anything. No BPIP, no loyceV stats tracking. No creativity, no fun! Only spats...

And I won't lie. I tend to dislike how much insistence from your side at times had contributed to dragging the continuation of some (in my view avoidable) spats for years. But for one, I think you deserve a break because I can't wait to see what the project after BPIP is going to be. Don't be distracted by the liars, the deceivers and the cheats anymore Vod. Godspeed to your new adventures and may they bring you more enjoyment other than stress.

We are talking about a career liar - a professional^* liar.  For some reason I expected this forum to stay as it was in the start - where words were backed up with the blockchain.  I found it amazing no one lost trust when the pirate scam was revealed - with proof right there - it turned out no one in this community viewed it as actionable as I did, because the philosophy of this forum is different.  No one here lost money, so his actions are OK.  He returned the coin after he got caught, so it's OK.

If I want to continue in this community, I can either accept his actions or spend the remainder of the internet complaining about it.  That is the example I'm going to offer to anyone who wants everyone else to change.

Eh, I don't necessarily go along with that because I've dealt with enough people to know that everyone lies at some point, including law enforcement people, politicians, and lots more.  If I only trusted people who were never dishonest there's no way I'd be able to trust anyone.  It's just not that black and white and if you try to make it that way, you'll just end up frustrated and discontented--which sounds like it sums up your feelings with respect to bitcointalk as of late.

Glad you didn't leave, Vod.  I've always had respect for you and your high level of integrity.  None of us are perfect of course, but you've been busting real and potential scams since well before I arrived here and have done a great job, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks that.

That's one of the best aspects of the forum IMO.  You don't find this kind of freedom on many other forums.  

Also, I sure as hell wouldn't blame you if you took a break from scam busting or ditched it altogether.  You did it for longer than most human beings would.

Edit:

Oh shit, I totally missed the part where Vod said he had a stroke--I'm so sorry to hear that, but I'm glad it wasn't fatal.  Take care of yourself, Vod.  Don't worry about the scam busting one bit.  We can pick up the slack, though nobody here can fill your shoes.

While your words were insincere, they are true.  As an idiot joked about last month, I had a stroke a year ago minus 23 hours.  I've recovered but I lost the interest to fight scammers.


So why did you so quickly believe I had fallen on hard times?   He cannot sue me because his hands are not clean, not because I am broke.

You know what I like?   Crypto and meta stats, and strategy games.   

This is a sensible move for you VOD. I can sense you are burned out and are a shadow of your former self.

Rest and await the introduction of objective standards this will destroy the destructive politically polarizing environment here and a forced peace will return where bitcoin is the key focus.

I notice you never sold out to sigs. That is one thing you never seemed to be. Greedy.

(I ask the mods to be liberal in removal of trash posts.)

A month ago, when BPIP crashed, I was ready to abandon this forum in anger, over what I perceived as lack of morality from the forum administrator.  I decided to turn BPIP over to capable people, and I had a bit more time to relax and research.  Besides understanding the type of violent psychopath who attacked me here over the last year, I also realized an epic misunderstanding about Theymos.

He has a different philosophy than I do.  I find any kind of dishonesty to be untrustworthy.   He is more forgiving, less "harsh" and I feel he does not view theft as a big deal if no violence was used and no harm is done.   It's a great philosophy, and it goes well with a decentralized, anonymous system.

I have 35 years of part-time military/law enforcement telling me that is wrong, and that is the conflict.  My ways are old and I believe climate change will break down society quickly, so I need to change my thinking towards those that believe as Theymos does.

I no longer trust Theymos because of what he allowed here, but that is my issue.  But I do not distrust him because he has consistently acted on his principles, and I don't see him changing soon.  I'm amazed at the level of free speech here and how he mostly does not get involved.  Plus, I would be a fool to stay here if I no longer trusted him.

But I can't continue taking sausages away from people who like sausages!  If codes, coins and cons need a place, better here than the deep web.  In fact, given what I posted above, I might give up scam busting altogether.  I'm giving up on feuding here, although there may be some fallout for a while for things that have already happened.

I'm starting a new site, much different from this one or BPIP.  It should appeal to many users, but not everyone.  

In the meantime, I'll go back to enjoying this site as a simple member.