Topic: [VOTE] Are the police telling the truth? (Read 440 times)

Some of them do not. You know people nowadays, if someone gave them a lot of money just to do something in return either it's bad or not they would still do it. Just like in the police station, we're not sure if all of them are truly committed to their jobs that won't easily gave in just because of money. Some of the police involves in drugs issues because they did cover a drug pusher or drug lords or whatsoever, they protected them just because of money even though they know that's it's wrong and against the law. Some of them tell lies in order to get the right wrong. That's why I don't trust people nowadays, just myself.

it is pretty obvious that this polices are not telling the truth  because in what world, could a minor pull a gun on cops? that case is a total bullshit. That polices are lying to hide their brutal crime for sure.

But you are confusing facts with speculation.

Fact, the boy did have a toy gun, a bb gun, and was probably using it to rob somebody.

Fact, the police knew that somebody may have had a gun, so they were primed to shoot, understandably.

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But... did the boy actually pull out the bb gun as he was being chased? It's not likely.

More likely the cop shot him, then the detectives who cleaned up made sure that the crime scene would cover their buddy's version of events.

1) A 13 year old kid, this one especially, running on adrenalin from guys with guns, can run fast. I'd bet he easily was outrunning the cops loaded down with 15 pound batman belts and beer guts.

2) Somebody running from armed guys doesn't bluff with a fake weapon if he is not cornered. It doesn't make sense. A fit kid slows down to bluff with a toy gun? No.

3) American police are legendary in the lies they tell following shootings. If you look at police shootings in the U.S. http://www.killedbypolice.net/ it is reliable that the police lie about events when the circumstances might be controversial. It's not that sometimes they lie, or that they might lie every now and then, they reliably do not tell the truth again and again. Pick a shooting from the last few days, anybody shot by cops in America under controversial circumstances, look at the story that the police first put out and see if it withstands scrutiny a few weeks later when the body has been examined, or video appears.

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As for "dysfunctional african american community", really it isn't about race. Poor neighborhoods have crime, rich ones don't. When people perceive themselves as being poor in a rich place, and with no chance of mobility, etc, they don't respect the local laws made largely to protect an economic status quo.

The U.S. government teaches its citizens to be violent. We invade countries and kill foreigners in droves. We imprison our own people at a rate higher than any other country in history, including Stalinist Russia, even current Iran, N Korea etc. And our prisons are famously violent. Americans are taught from an early age, by their government, that the solution to any problem is to kill somebody, attack, invade etc. It has nothing to do with african americans. They just happen to be stuck at the bottom economically, educationally etc.

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I don't have a problem killing somebody who is robbing with a gun, if it is appropriate. But in this case, and a lot of similar cases, it probably was not appropriate. There are some guys who enjoy the rush of gunplay, especially when they have a massive advantage and can kill without accountability. Those guys don't make us safer when they are cops. The Laquan McDonald case was in the news again a few weeks ago http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/cpd-moves-to-fire-five-cops-in-laquan-mcdonald-shooting/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2N6_jLAgA

Is being a cop in America such a dangerous job that cops are justified killing so many people to protect themselves? They portray their job as dangerous but its actually less dangerous than driving a truck.

Chicago was just in the news for having its 300th or whatever murder. Do you know what the safest job in Chicago is? Police officer. It is the only major profession in Chicago that has not had a single fatality in 5 years. Chicago police have a tacit understanding with violent criminals that as long as the criminals don't target police, the police will leave them alone.

yes because they've already produced the weapon. what do blacks expect to happen when they take out a replica that looks identical to the real thing when a policeman is trying to arrest them? that the cop will wait to get shot to find out if it was real? this kid is a victim of the dysfunctional african american community and most likely a single parent household that brought him up to believe stealing and carrying guns is the way to go.

"The police"

American Police?
Russian Police?
Chinese Police?
French Police?

Every country has it's own police force, so it's stupid when you don't define what country you are talking about in the question. No I don't trust American police, as they have been militarised and only serve themselves nowadays. I trust plenty of police forces in Europe though, but none of them are immune to creeping corruption.

I think police in US is killing more civilians than criminals these days

That police officer who shot a 13 year old boy might not telling the truth.  Sometimes people with power like police thinks that everything they did were true and they will not be charge of criminality because of what he did.  He should have apprehended and questioned the kid if ever he did something wrong.  But killing him because of a not clear issue is something to be investigated plus the fact that he have already a record of killing someone before.  But not all police officer are like that.  I still know and still look up to police men who were being honest with their duty.

A police officer in Ohio shot a 13 year old kid.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tyree-king-13-fatally-shot-police-columbus-ohio-n648671

What is known is that the kid was up to mischief, probably trying to rob somebody with a fake gun. The rest of what happened is in doubt.

Police claim that when they were chasing him he pulled out the fake gun, so the cop shot him. But why would he pull out a fake gun if he is being chased? 

The cop who shot him also shot a guy a few years ago. In that shooting he is reported as having shot somebody who was holding somebody at gunpoint. Kind of sounds like a hero, but other articles say he actually shot the guy who called 911 http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/12/19/man-shot-by-police-had-called-911-with-complaint.html

So are the cops telling the truth about the 13 year old pulling a fake gun, or does the cop just like shooting people and his buddies are covering their partner?