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May 12, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
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Sad Third Grade School Girl Oxford Professor “Unfriends” All Of Her Conservaive Friends After Liberals Lose UK Elections…

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2015/05/if-youre-a-conservative-im-not-your-friend/

Thanks for sharing, especially with the debate in the comment section.

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In order to promote a balanced debate, we will shortly be hosting an open letter in response to this post from a group of University students. We were also pleased to see a generally high standard of debate amongst the comments.


That's a logical move. This is the kind of decision that'll keep oxford open for another 800 years...

 Cool

P.S.: What's a Conservaive?Huh I should have caught that.

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May 12, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
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Sad Third Grade School Girl Oxford Professor “Unfriends” All Of Her Conservaive Friends After Liberals Lose UK Elections…

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2015/05/if-youre-a-conservative-im-not-your-friend/

Thanks for sharing, especially with the debate in the comment section.

The Blog Admin later published this:

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Statement from Blog Admin

A recent post on this blog by a lecturer from Royal Holloway has caused negative comment and attention. All posts on the blog reflect the author’s own arguments, and are not a reflection of the views of other blog writers, of the Centre, or of the University. Blog authors include staff and students of Oxford University, and staff from other Universities. Due to resource issues, the blog is largely unmoderated, though we of course expect all contributors to take their responsibility seriously to maintain the academic and public engagement mission of the blog.

In order to promote a balanced debate, we will shortly be hosting an open letter in response to this post from a group of University students. We were also pleased to see a generally high standard of debate amongst the comments.
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May 12, 2015, 11:46:15 AM
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Sad Third Grade School Girl Oxford Professor “Unfriends” All Of Her Conservaive Friends After Liberals Lose UK Elections…







One of the first things I did after seeing the depressing election news this morning was check to see which of my Facebook friends ‘like’ the pages of the Conservatives or David Cameron, and unfriend them. (Thankfully, none of my friends ‘like’ the UKIP page.) Life is too short, I thought, to hang out with people who hold abhorrent political views, even if it’s just online.

This marked a change of heart for me. Usually, I try to remain engaged with such people in the hope that I might be able to change their views through debate. (Admittedly, I don’t always engage constructively with them. Sometimes, late at night, when my brain is too tired to do anything fancy and I spot an offensive tweet by a UKIP supporter, the urge to murder them in 140 characters is too difficult to resist.) Did I do the wrong thing? Should I have kept my Conservative friends?

I’m not so sure. I am attracted by the view that we should all keep the debate open, discuss our political views, take other people’s views into account, and revise and improve our own as we all benefit from this dialogue. I’m attracted by the view that there is such a thing as progress in politics. But—depressingly—I’m far more sceptical than I was yesterday about how much of a difference we can make with political debate. There are several reasons for this.

One is that, in much of British culture, people are uncomfortable with debate about politics. It would, in some circles, be rude to raise the topic of politics over dinner, and to try to change someone’s mind about their political views—well, that’s frankly out of order. We’re much more comfortable talking about the weather, who might win the X Factor, or Kim Kardashian’s arse. The British unwillingness to discuss politics was illustrated today by the sway of the ‘shy Tories’: the people who voted Conservative, but who kept quiet about it in the run-up to the election, and certainly didn’t tell the opinion polls.


http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2015/05/if-youre-a-conservative-im-not-your-friend/



Its clear that this girl isn't in her write mind. Everyone is entitled to their own political opinion, and while you may disagree with someone, unfriending them is just childish, and if she really cannot hold a debate with them, and have to unfriend them to just run from the "problem" instead of facing it. If she really cared about her political views, she would try to "convert" them instead of just running away.
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May 12, 2015, 11:27:56 AM
#57



Sad Third Grade School Girl Oxford Professor “Unfriends” All Of Her Conservaive Friends After Liberals Lose UK Elections…







One of the first things I did after seeing the depressing election news this morning was check to see which of my Facebook friends ‘like’ the pages of the Conservatives or David Cameron, and unfriend them. (Thankfully, none of my friends ‘like’ the UKIP page.) Life is too short, I thought, to hang out with people who hold abhorrent political views, even if it’s just online.

This marked a change of heart for me. Usually, I try to remain engaged with such people in the hope that I might be able to change their views through debate. (Admittedly, I don’t always engage constructively with them. Sometimes, late at night, when my brain is too tired to do anything fancy and I spot an offensive tweet by a UKIP supporter, the urge to murder them in 140 characters is too difficult to resist.) Did I do the wrong thing? Should I have kept my Conservative friends?

I’m not so sure. I am attracted by the view that we should all keep the debate open, discuss our political views, take other people’s views into account, and revise and improve our own as we all benefit from this dialogue. I’m attracted by the view that there is such a thing as progress in politics. But—depressingly—I’m far more sceptical than I was yesterday about how much of a difference we can make with political debate. There are several reasons for this.

One is that, in much of British culture, people are uncomfortable with debate about politics. It would, in some circles, be rude to raise the topic of politics over dinner, and to try to change someone’s mind about their political views—well, that’s frankly out of order. We’re much more comfortable talking about the weather, who might win the X Factor, or Kim Kardashian’s arse. The British unwillingness to discuss politics was illustrated today by the sway of the ‘shy Tories’: the people who voted Conservative, but who kept quiet about it in the run-up to the election, and certainly didn’t tell the opinion polls.


http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2015/05/if-youre-a-conservative-im-not-your-friend/


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May 12, 2015, 08:58:33 AM
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Now things will get really interesting. Another 5 years of Tory rule will further alienate the Scots. Remember that the fiercely anti-Tory SNP swept the elections in Scotland with 56 seats (out of 59). Another independence referendum can happen within a few years time, and many of the pensioners (who voted overwhelmingly for the Union) won't be alive by then.

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A survey, commissioned by Conservative peer Lord Ashcroft, said 71% of 16 to 17-year-olds voted for Scotland to be independent and 29% voted against.
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May 11, 2015, 12:32:25 PM
#55
I'm really shocked that Cameron won again.
All the studies of public opinion spoke about a very close race in this election but on the end he won great victory.
It seems that these polls are not as reliable as journalists or people thinks.
Any way, now it will be very interesting to see whether Cameron will keep his promise and to hold a referendum about leaving the UK from the EU and see how it will affect the requirements for the independence from Scotland.


Well 63% of the population didn't vote for Cameron so that's at least some relief, Ian Duncan Smith is already about to slash £12 billion from the welfare state, who said they aren't the nasty party? Smiley

UK electorate = 45 million

Tories got 11 million

So thats circa 1 in 4 of all those eligible to vote voted Tory. ie 25%

Was interesting to see the demographics of the Tory electorate as well - they had next to no support in urban conurbations - but loads of support in rural and semi rural England.
   Englands green and pleasant land hey ? Must be great - sat listening to Elgar, eating strawberries, doing your bit for charity and voting tory.

The polls were so wildly out because no-one likes openly admitting that they are so blatantly voting in favour of their own self interest to the extent that they vote Tory.

BTW - at the next referendum for Scottish independance I have just turned from a no (in the last one) to a big YES voter.
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May 11, 2015, 10:59:13 AM
#54
Thanks UK for reminding me of why I want to leave this shithole guys, oh and wait to make a self-moderated thread, that pretty much ruins any semblance of a proper debate oh and lol yes we have some pretty nasty people here in regards to that anti-tory manifesto, you guys may think the Republicans are nuts in America by comparison the 'Conservatives' here are actually pretty moderate and it's Labour who are the psychopaths in our country.



Adults with brain of a 3yo Left-wing Londoners riot, deface landmarks over massive conservative election victory





http://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/10/left-wing-britons-riot-deface-landmarks-over-massive-conservative-election-victory/


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May 11, 2015, 09:51:04 AM
#53
I'm really shocked that Cameron won again.
All the studies of public opinion spoke about a very close race in this election but on the end he won great victory.
It seems that these polls are not as reliable as journalists or people thinks.
Any way, now it will be very interesting to see whether Cameron will keep his promise and to hold a referendum about leaving the UK from the EU and see how it will affect the requirements for the independence from Scotland.


Same. Don't get why people would vote for him again after they do such a crappy job but people always seem to get voted for a second term. Probably a fix, though he didn't exactly have any competition to worry about. Cameron seemed far too cocky and arrogant even saying he wouldn't run for a third term as well.
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May 11, 2015, 09:31:07 AM
#52
I'm really shocked that Cameron won again.
All the studies of public opinion spoke about a very close race in this election but on the end he won great victory.
It seems that these polls are not as reliable as journalists or people thinks.
Any way, now it will be very interesting to see whether Cameron will keep his promise and to hold a referendum about leaving the UK from the EU and see how it will affect the requirements for the independence from Scotland.


Well 63% of the population didn't vote for Cameron so that's at least some relief, Ian Duncan Smith is already about to slash £12 billion from the welfare state, who said they aren't the nasty party? Smiley

As you guys now know from there's an incredibly arrogant hard left movement here in the UK and they are genuinely not above doing anything they want in elections to get their way, I don't actually have a problem with using political compass style left/right with these guys because they genuinely believe that anyone other than them are the enemy.

This kind of extremely hostile and aggressive attitude drove regular voters to the conservatives, the arrogance is astounding, my favourite thing will always be when Labour said that we shouldn't even have a vote on the European Union, to put it into context for you Americans, these guys are the polar opposite in terms of ideology of the Republicans but just as nasty.
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May 11, 2015, 09:25:24 AM
#51
I'm really shocked that Cameron won again.
All the studies of public opinion spoke about a very close race in this election but on the end he won great victory.
It seems that these polls are not as reliable as journalists or people thinks.
Any way, now it will be very interesting to see whether Cameron will keep his promise and to hold a referendum about leaving the UK from the EU and see how it will affect the requirements for the independence from Scotland.


Well 63% of the population didn't vote for Cameron so that's at least some relief, Ian Duncan Smith is already about to slash £12 billion from the welfare state, who said they aren't the nasty party? Smiley
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May 11, 2015, 03:42:32 AM
#50
I'm really shocked that Cameron won again.
All the studies of public opinion spoke about a very close race in this election but on the end he won great victory.
It seems that these polls are not as reliable as journalists or people thinks.
Any way, now it will be very interesting to see whether Cameron will keep his promise and to hold a referendum about leaving the UK from the EU and see how it will affect the requirements for the independence from Scotland.
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May 11, 2015, 12:28:59 AM
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A slight diversion for @criminalsunion today:

Sane people who know of specific Tories or [insert party members here] committing unspeakable atrocities, would shoot them... OOPS #gunsense
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May 10, 2015, 11:53:53 PM
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I don't like this at all. Under NO circumstances is ANYONE allowed to treat anyone like this. The anti-tories are just a bunch of crybabies, just crying and throwing a fit when they didn't win.
I really don't like this method of politics though. UKIP got 13% of the votes (I am a ukip supporter btw) and only 0.2% of the seats, only 1 seat.
Lib-dem, plaid Cymru, and snp combined got 13% but got MUCH more seats than UKIP.
Just doesn't make sense to me.
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May 10, 2015, 05:39:27 AM
#47
making everyone pay a token amount like £10 might be a good ideas as it would put time wasters off, gp surgeries are packed because of idiots going in with colds, a&e departments are overcrowded because of drunks, we also need to make sure foreigners have their own healthcare before they come here

I'm not sure this is a good idea. What about people who can't really afford £10 or how about if somebody puts off going to the GP or hospital because they don't want to pay only to later find out its something serious. There are plenty of alternative ways funds can be raised without just making people pay so they'll hopefully stay away. These things always penalize the poor most.

You dont even need to make it £10 even like £2 will do the job for the most part, £2 everyone should be able to afford lets be honest and just having to pay makes people with colds not waste the doctors time.   People waste the doctors time because its totally free.  

I also think we should have health guidance volunteers similar to how we have PCSOs that people can go and see to get health guidance.  Just using the internet these days i've managed to diagnose all kinds of crap and in some cases done a better job than the GP.
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May 10, 2015, 05:22:25 AM
#46
making everyone pay a token amount like £10 might be a good ideas as it would put time wasters off, gp surgeries are packed because of idiots going in with colds, a&e departments are overcrowded because of drunks, we also need to make sure foreigners have their own healthcare before they come here

I'm not sure this is a good idea. What about people who can't really afford £10 or how about if somebody puts off going to the GP or hospital because they don't want to pay only to later find out its something serious. There are plenty of alternative ways funds can be raised without just making people pay so they'll hopefully stay away. These things always penalize the poor most.
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May 10, 2015, 12:40:15 AM
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May 09, 2015, 01:45:00 PM
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Yeah can't believe these bellends have been voted in, say bye bye to the NHS.

The NHS is dead for sure it cant last 5 years of tory at this point.  We'll probably need health insurance after 5 years.

1 thing im fine with is a small cost to see the GP, i get fed up with waiting rooms full of people who dont need to be there.

Yes, I think this could be a bad situation. The NHS could be in trouble, also we've got the monster that is Theresa May back in the position of Home Secretary. Therefore we can expect no change in drug laws (I wouldn't be surprised if more authoritarian drug legislation is passed soon), and loss of civil liberties through more online surveillance and blocking of sites "to save the children!".

They are dinosaurs and need to DIE. 

(metaphorically of course)
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May 09, 2015, 12:39:23 PM
#43
making everyone pay a token amount like £10 might be a good ideas as it would put time wasters off, gp surgeries are packed because of idiots going in with colds, a&e departments are overcrowded because of drunks, we also need to make sure foreigners have their own healthcare before they come here
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May 09, 2015, 11:41:37 AM
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Yeah can't believe these bellends have been voted in, say bye bye to the NHS.

The NHS is dead for sure it cant last 5 years of tory at this point.  We'll probably need health insurance after 5 years.

1 thing im fine with is a small cost to see the GP, i get fed up with waiting rooms full of people who dont need to be there.

People shouldn't have to pay anything to healthcare especially not in a country like the UK. All this commotion over that they don't have the money is bullshit. They can pull the money from elsewhere. How about not starting wars or scrapping trident for a start. Maybe legalise cannabis and put the billions that would likely generate into it.
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May 09, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
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The Conservatives have won the 2015 general election, with a majority of 12. Here's an at-a-glance guide to the key points of the election.

Uk election 2015 visit the link for more information....

Link: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-32633008
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May 09, 2015, 02:49:51 AM
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Yeah can't believe these bellends have been voted in, say bye bye to the NHS.

The NHS is dead for sure it cant last 5 years of tory at this point.  We'll probably need health insurance after 5 years.

1 thing im fine with is a small cost to see the GP, i get fed up with waiting rooms full of people who dont need to be there.
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May 08, 2015, 07:44:15 PM
#39
Disappointing result, was hoping for some sort of Labour/SNP/Green coalition.  I'm not overly trusting of Labour and their support for broken neo-liberal groupthink, but would have found them tolerable with the far more progressive SNP and Greens to keep them in check.  Without the Lib-Dems to (slightly) curb their excesses, the tories now have free reign to open the throttle on the lie of austerity and speed up the silent transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top.  Rewarding their top donors with backdoor deals and peerages as they go.  Couldn't be more openly corrupt if they tried.

Also, for a forum supposedly as forward-thinking as this one, I'm surprised to see so many supporters for the backwards luddites in ukip.  It seemed like every week they had to sack one of their candidates for spouting abhorrent, discriminatory drivel.  How anyone could find them credible in any way, shape or form would be laughable if it weren't so depressing.  Rampant isolationism is not a recipe for economic stability.  Neither is not having any other realistic or costed policies on anything even remotely important.  Their entire campaign has been "boo, foreigners" and not much else.  While the EU is obviously not without its problems, pulling up the drawbridge and pretending they don't exist is just idiocy.  Globalisation is inevitable, you can't fight it.  Stop pretending that the arbitrary lines on the map are going to continue to have any significance.  They won't in time.  If you don't like it, build a time machine and piss off back to the dark ages, you xenophobic troglodytes.
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May 08, 2015, 04:33:15 PM
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Best part of a great night for UK conservatives? The vile George Galloway gets tossed

British conservatives didn’t have a great night in Thursday’s general election; they had a spectacular night.



Political observers were dumbfounded when the exit polling indicated that Prime Minister David Cameron’s party was on track to form a majority government. The pre-election polling suggested that the best his party could hope for was the prospect of forming another coalition government with a severely truncated Liberal Democratic minority in order to shut out an alliance between Labor and the ascendant Scottish National Party. As it happens, the Tories will enjoy monopoly control over the British government until 2020.

Outside of Scotland, progressivism took a real hit. This morning, a number of prominent liberal MPs find themselves unemployed. Perhaps none are more deserving of that status than the vile George Galloway. The former representative of the Bradford West constituency from the Orwellian-named Respect Party was one of the few former parliamentary representatives to lose their seat to a Labour candidate.

Of course, this notoriously gracious politician displaced his trademark magnanimity when he accepted his defeat. “I don’t begrudge the Labour members here their moment of celebration of course,” he said. “But there will be others who are already celebrating: the venal, the vile, the racists, and the Zionists will all be celebrating. The hyena can bounce on the lion’s grave, but it can never be a lion.”

Charming.

This is how this former MP who moonlights as a television host specializing in apologizing for the world’s most brutal regimes has comported himself for decades.

From even before the first Gulf War until the Iraqi dictator met his end on the gallows, Galloway became the foremost Western defender of Saddam Hussein. “Your excellency, Mr President, I greet you in the name of the many thousands of people in Britain who stood against the tide and opposed the war and aggression against Iraq and continue to oppose the war by economic means, which is aimed to strangle the life out of the great people of Iraq,” Galloway wrote to the Butcher of Baghdad ahead of their 1994 meeting. “I still meet families who are calling their newborn sons Saddam. Sir, I salute your courage, your strength your indefatigability. And I want you to know that we are with you until victory, until victory, until Jerusalem.”

After Hussein’s death, Galloway turned to defending other murderous autocratic regimes. “All the papers seem to imply that you get executed in Iran for being gay,” Galloway said in a 2008 television segment. “That’s not true.” Of course, Iran has been known to execute at least 4,000 suspected homosexuals since 1980 for either “active” or “passive” violation of anti-sodomy laws.

Galloway called Syria’s Bashar al-Assad a “breath of fresh air,” a grimly ironic turn of phrase considering that the Syrian dictator has been accused of using poison gas on civilian populations for the last three years with virtual impunity.

Galloway has insisted that he doesn’t recognize the state of Israel and even walked off a debate stage after he was informed that one of his interlocutors was an Israeli citizen.

“Russia has every right, indeed, obligation, to act in defense of its compatriots, its citizens, its economic and military assets which it has on the territory of the Ukraine by agreement and by treaty,” Galloway said of Moscow’s invasion and annexation of portions of Ukrainian territory in an RT interview for which he was well-compensated. Galloway added that it is always unwise for the West to “poke the bear with a stick.”

The former MP has even gone so far as to claim that ISIS’s many victims of persecution, beheading, displacement, and property destruction had been complicit in their own misfortune. “That population is quiescent because of Western policies and Western invasion,” he insisted of the territories in Iraq where ISIS operates, though he was curiously silent on ISIS’s Syrian incubator.

Of course, no anti-Western apologist can avoid the temptation of blaming capitalism for the world’s ills and of dubiously comparing his political adversaries to Hitler. Galloway called George W. Bush, Tony Blair, and other Western leaders of the last decade “criminals,” a title they earned “through their support for Israel, and through their support for a globalized capitalist economic system, which is the biggest killer the world has ever known.”

“It has killed far more people than Adolf Hitler,” Galloway said of the system of free market economics in a 2005 Al Jazeera interview. “It has killed far more people than George Bush. The economic system which these people support, which leaves most of the people in the world hungry, and without clean water to drink.”

A horrible quisling apologist for virtually all of the world’s bad actors, George Galloway has made a career of serving as an insufferable mouthpiece to any tyrant who submits the highest bid. The former MP will now have to offer his services without having the moral authority associated with holding elected office. It’s a small karmic justice but a welcome one to learn that Bradford West constituents finally came to their senses.


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/08/best-part-of-a-great-night-for-uk-conservatives-the-vile-george-galloway-gets-tossed/


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May 08, 2015, 04:24:31 PM
#37
Yeah can't believe these bellends have been voted in, say bye bye to the NHS.
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May 08, 2015, 02:57:01 PM
#36
I didn't vote. Pointless. Whoever gets in they're all the same essentially. None would of done much of what they promised and only done a load of other shit that they never mentioned which would be far worse. It's always the same.

Yeah its like they are able to pull the same trick on the population over and over.  Population dont understand the difference between math and english so get fooled.
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May 08, 2015, 12:00:35 PM
#35
Democracy is overrated, especially when the pool of people you can vote for offer absolutely nothing for you. Most people are idiots who just vote for the candidate based on one key issue that they probably won't even stick to. People vote for Clegg based on tuition fees - he backtracks. People vote for Ukip because of immigration, but even if they had of got in they wouldn't have done much about it. Neither will the other parties who claimed they'd clamp down on it. They just say they will to get the votes from bigots and take them away from ukip.
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May 08, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
#34
Most of Europe uses proportional representation. That has no shortage of problems either but at least more people get their choice into a parliament.

There was a referendum regarding this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011  but it didn't turn the electorate on.

When you add the first past the post system to low turnouts you sometimes end up with a majority government that less than 20% of the country actually voted for.

av is nothing like pr, its some confusing second preference bullshit
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May 08, 2015, 10:53:58 AM
#33
snp and ukip get around the same number of votes. snp gets 58 seats ukip gets one. bankrupt system.
Yea I don't really know that works. If you get the same amount of votes shouldn't you get the same amount of seats? It doesn't make sense to me. It seems like the SNP is a scottish party so maybe they are getting all the scottish seats or something?

http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/first-past-the-post

Most of Europe uses proportional representation. That has no shortage of problems either but at least more people get their choice into a parliament.

There was a referendum regarding this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011  but it didn't turn the electorate on.

When you add the first past the post system to low turnouts you sometimes end up with a majority government that less than 20% of the country actually voted for.
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May 08, 2015, 10:51:59 AM
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May 08, 2015, 10:46:44 AM
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snp and ukip get around the same number of votes. snp gets 58 seats ukip gets one. bankrupt system.
Yea I don't really know that works. If you get the same amount of votes shouldn't you get the same amount of seats? It doesn't make sense to me. It seems like the SNP is a scottish party so maybe they are getting all the scottish seats or something?
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May 08, 2015, 09:50:38 AM
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I didn't vote. Pointless. Whoever gets in they're all the same essentially. None would of done much of what they promised and only done a load of other shit that they never mentioned which would be far worse. It's always the same.
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May 08, 2015, 09:28:30 AM
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If nothing else comes out of the election, it's time to see a rethink of the first past the post system. Now more than ever millions of voices are being discarded because of it.
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May 08, 2015, 09:19:03 AM
#28
The U.K.'s Conservative party won a decisive victory in the U.K. elections and won more parliamentary seats than expected. The Scottish National Party (SNP) has also made headlines after winning the vast majority of Scottish seats.

Yeah its a nightmare for the public sector and anyone on benefits in the UK is fucked.

30 something % of the country want conservatives i feel like the rest of us or at least some sound just join forces and create some type of alternative smart communes.
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May 08, 2015, 08:50:47 AM
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The U.K.'s Conservative party won a decisive victory in the U.K. elections and won more parliamentary seats than expected. The Scottish National Party (SNP) has also made headlines after winning the vast majority of Scottish seats.
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May 08, 2015, 08:47:42 AM
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Well looks like the conservatives have won and labour in second, its very predictable, only 2 actual large groups that have the chance to be in first place or second. I of course am hoping that UKIP would have made the 1st or second place, but I think it will be a while before that.

UKIP has had it's time now, I said it just after the European elections, and I will say it again now, when it comes down to it, people to not want UKIP to govern them.
I'm sure lots of people have legitimate concerns regarding immigration, but that doesn't mean that the UK needs politicians in government who have very little experience and an incomplete manifesto.

Let's say they did win and we left the EU... what is their next plan?  The SNPs have a complete idea for what they want for Scotland, UKIP don't for the UK.

With regards to UKIP and SNP having the same number of votes, it's easy to vote for someone you know won't get in.  In the marginals UKIP lost.  I expect that if there was a true PR in the UK, UKIP would have got a much lower share of the vote.
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May 08, 2015, 08:26:52 AM
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I am not a resident of the United Kingdom. But still, I believe that only the UKIP is worth voting for. The biggest issue facing the British right now is unlimited immigration (especially that from the non-EU nations), which is putting an enormous strain on the resources.

No it isn't. It's only a problem to ignorant plebs. Why is it apparently ok for poor white people to crap out as many babies as they can yet immigration is apparently an issue. It's only an issue if you have no understanding of economics or what type of people do what jobs.

Royal family need removing ASAP, which party would do that?

None would. It's pretty much written into law. They need to stop taking tax payers money and fund themselves though.
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May 08, 2015, 08:04:37 AM
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I am a conservative.  I think that they have done a good job in a bad situation over the last 5 years.

They could have been more extreme, as UKIP would like, and have slashed budgets and stopped immigration, but they didn't.  They could have spent more money, as labour would like, and have us on a similar footing as Greece, but they didn't. 

I think they found a good middle ground.  There were also 2 referendums, and the promise of one more, I think referendums are true direct democracy and should happen much more often.

I'd give them a solid B+, which would make me vote for another term.
It seems that when push came to shove, the British people agreed with me and decided to give the Tories another shot at it.

The other parties have all taken a beating today, with only the SNP, PC and the Greens keeping their leaders!  I feel sorry for the Lib Dems, I included them in the B+ grade for the last government, I hope the Conservatives don't lurch to the right now that they are in sole charge.
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May 08, 2015, 07:53:19 AM
#23
snp and ukip get around the same number of votes. snp gets 58 seats ukip gets one. bankrupt system.
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May 07, 2015, 11:12:25 PM
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Well looks like the conservatives have won and labour in second, its very predictable, only 2 actual large groups that have the chance to be in first place or second. I of course am hoping that UKIP would have made the 1st or second place, but I think it will be a while before that.
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May 02, 2015, 12:21:37 PM
#21

It does make sense for George Osborne to embrace Bitcoin

This is why he hasn't
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May 01, 2015, 05:21:20 PM
#20

I thought there would be more votes on Conservatives ......since the Conservatives are generally in favour of simple rules for doing Bitcoin business

TBH I personally thought there'd be more votes for "none of the above" as all the mainstream parties are complicit with the corporate establishment - and that being the case NONE of the options on the ballot paper would give bitcoin a cat in hells chance. Unfortunately "none of the above" wasn't an option in this poll.

There's no money to be made off the back of bitcoin - money to be made, to be invested in btc, but none to be made off the back of it if you see what I mean. Not good for the Barclay brothers, the Kochs, Barings, Goldman Sachs, HSBC, RBS etc etc

The UK's GDP is fuckin stuffed to the gills with financial services profits - what political party in their right mind is going to question that ? Fuck me, even Varoufakis is giving btc a wide berth - do you honestly think George Osbourne, Vince Cable or Ed Balls give a flying fuck about a decentralised cryptographically secured currency over which they have absolutely no control ?

Move on - nothing to see here gentlemen
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April 30, 2015, 06:31:59 PM
#19
I am not a resident of the United Kingdom. But still, I believe that only the UKIP is worth voting for. The biggest issue facing the British right now is unlimited immigration (especially that from the non-EU nations), which is putting an enormous strain on the resources.

Pretty sure this was your 10,000th post!
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April 30, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
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I'm fucking sick of the lot of them. The last couple of decades have proven that it doesn't matter which way votes are swinging, there's an agenda which will be served no matter what.

If I do vote at all, which is unlikely, it'll be Green mainly because they're anti everything the other parties are spouting even though they're man-hating loons living in cloud cuckoo land.

UKIP may well have a point to an extent. The fact that the actual party is largely made up of morons, bigots and thugs in (pisspoor) disguise will hopefully neutralise them.  
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April 30, 2015, 01:19:15 PM
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I am not a resident of the United Kingdom. But still, I believe that only the UKIP is worth voting for. The biggest issue facing the British right now is unlimited immigration (especially that from the non-EU nations), which is putting an enormous strain on the resources.

My gripes.... Smiley

Cant see issues like weed getting decriminalized under UKIP, i rarely even use the stuff but would like to experiment further & after studying the issue its really getting on my tits we have not even got medical use with it.  I want instant change or not interested, and yes it is a key important issue.

Housing market is a pyramid scheme almost every young person is getting shafted. It needs to be left alone to crash, prices are unnatural, there is no shortage of housing or land.

Royal family need removing ASAP, which party would do that?

Maybe UKIP would be good for my small business? hmmmm.

Basically though, fk em all i'll engage again in 20 years when its worth my time, haven't paid any attention for years now, i dont even know whats happenening in the mainstream world anymore.  Unfortunately it seems like we need internet generation to grow up and baby boomers to die to get any proper change.

Rant over.

edit:

found UKIP drug policy:



Terrible, same scam wording as conservatives - nothing about judging different substances on their actual properties, any party who is that retarded on drug policy cant be trusted.  Avoid like the plague.

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April 30, 2015, 12:59:59 PM
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UKIP are a one trick pony.

They aren't so much a political party as a pressure group.

And they've said they'll get in bed with the Tories - a big no no in my book.

If i had any faith in the first past the post electoral system to actually effect change I would probably vote SNP. But as I have an almost instinctive aversion to nationalism I probably won't.

I do believe that this will be the first time in my life that I will choose to not vote. Not because I can't be arsed, or because I don't understand politics - but because it is becoming ever more transparent the way the populace are being conned into submission by a sleight of hand.

So, in answer to the OP, my vote would be "None of the above". FWIW i think that this option should be an option available on the ballot paper proper also. It would give legitimacy to those like me who are disaffected by the whole charade.

Still, only 7 days to go. Anyone would think we were a nation of 7 year olds waiting for Christmas day. Waiting for the big day - as if something of import were about to occur.

It won't.
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April 30, 2015, 04:48:45 AM
#15
I am not a resident of the United Kingdom. But still, I believe that only the UKIP is worth voting for. The biggest issue facing the British right now is unlimited immigration (especially that from the non-EU nations), which is putting an enormous strain on the resources.
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April 30, 2015, 01:40:38 AM
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Actually just got a communist party leaflet dropped through the door today, the slogan on the top of the leaflet is "Tax The Rich" - i feel like they aren't even trying with that slogan

Yep, the communist party seems extremely weak, but who needs a communist party?

yeah i guess if we ever solved inequality properly there wouldnt need to be a political party to run the show.
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April 29, 2015, 02:19:13 PM
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Actually just got a communist party leaflet dropped through the door today, the slogan on the top of the leaflet is "Tax The Rich" - i feel like they aren't even trying with that slogan
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April 29, 2015, 08:24:19 AM
#12
I would never vote Conservative, they lie, obfuscate, and (like many parties once they get into power) they base their policies on public opinion (fueled by biased media) rather than truth and evidence.

Some recent examples are George Osborne saying that the drop in inflation was a direct result of their economic policies (No George, I think you'll find it was because of the drop in oil price...), Cameron saying he wanted to "ban encryption because terrorists", their policy on blocking porn sites (totally unworkable). Yes, I know everyone acts like this but the Tories seem worse than most.

Their attitude on changing drug laws is archaic, they make it easier for the rich members of society to become even richer without any productivity, increasing the wealth gap.

UKIP is similar. I have to admit I do like Farage, and I appreciate how he's shown that there is an opportunity for newcomers to challenge the 2 main parties. However, his anti-EU and immigration policies are very short-sighted, possibly dangerous. I feel that he's playing on the fears and prejudices of the public (again fueled by media) by oversimplifying his policies.

His argument basically is: "EU and immigration are bad, if we get rid of them it will be good!" Now I'm not against leaving the EU, but if we did then there would need to be some VERY solid trade agreements, and some sort of allowance of labour from the EU.

If we just left the EU without good trade agreements, and cut off EU immigrant labour entirely, it would be an economic disaster for this country. Every company would outsource as many operations as possible overseas, jobs would dry up, the wealth gap would increase massively. I don't hear Farage talking much about how he would address these issues.

I'll be voting for one of the more progressive/left-wing parties, probably Plaid Cymru or Green. I think an evidence-based drug policy is very important, both for harm reduction and economic strength. I don't agree with some of their socialist ideas (I think they're too authoritarian), and I don't like how the Greens are against nuclear power (I also really hate the Green woman's voice and face), but I'd prefer more seats from these two parties than any others.
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April 29, 2015, 06:40:22 AM
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I am a conservative.  I think that they have done a good job in a bad situation over the last 5 years.

They could have been more extreme, as UKIP would like, and have slashed budgets and stopped immigration, but they didn't.  They could have spent more money, as labour would like, and have us on a similar footing as Greece, but they didn't. 

I think they found a good middle ground.  There were also 2 referendums, and the promise of one more, I think referendums are true direct democracy and should happen much more often.

I'd give them a solid B+, which would make me vote for another term.
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April 29, 2015, 06:28:51 AM
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Perhaps it's surprising from an immigrant, but UKIP's manifesto outlines the most effective short term solutions.
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April 29, 2015, 03:50:15 AM
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Probably not going to happen in 2015 but UKIP to be the main opposition come 2020 or before in many northern seats, definitely. UKIP are on course to push Labour the Libdems and the Tories into third place in 70-100 seats nationwide.
Although I'd like to see Farage debating in Parliament, if he fails to win Thanet it won't be fatal; UKIP have a growing number of very capable people waiting in the wings.
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April 29, 2015, 03:37:17 AM
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Anyone see ed miliband is going on russell brands show, not sure if the full version is today or whatever. trailer:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FdbH4rN9b4

As regards my vote.... its bitcoin/crypto. I dont see how the current system can work so i dont vote generally.
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April 29, 2015, 02:41:40 AM
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April 28, 2015, 06:37:27 PM
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UKIP all the way, I am american but I think all there policies are correct, especially removing the UK from the EU, better decision for UK and the EU won't be dragging it down anymore. I also like Nigel Farage, he speaks what everyone else is too scared to say.
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April 28, 2015, 06:35:42 PM
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The question of EU citizen voting rights is here for councils to see.

Section1.2
" EU citizens, while entitled to vote at any local elections, won’t be entitled to vote at the UK Parliamentary election."

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/182007/UKPGE-combined-poll-card.pdf

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April 28, 2015, 06:32:36 PM
#4
You missed a category.

EU citizens who have been illegally given the vote in the Parliamentary election.

According to the Electoral Commission you must
  
  • be 18 years of age or over on polling day
  • be a British citizen, a qualifying Commonwealth citizen or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland
  • not be subject to any legal incapacity to vote

I can't say if that's accurate, but I changed it to participating and not participating.

My friend reported the mistake to the Electoral Commission and they haven't acknowledged receipt of his email complaint.

UK is getting more like a banana republic with every day.
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April 28, 2015, 06:06:46 PM
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UKIP all the way. UK has went the wrong way for far too long and only the likes of Nigel Farage can be trusted to get things moving back in the right direction. And, I'm not even saying he's perfect but the best yall got. I also like that Hanna guy but he's sort of a unique conservative.
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April 28, 2015, 04:44:42 PM
#2
You missed a category.

EU citizens who have been illegally given the vote in the Parliamentary election.

There are at least two city councils that have issued poll cards like that, I have seen one of those cards and my friend's wife in another city has one.

Welcome to No. 10 Ed.
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April 28, 2015, 04:18:23 PM
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I'm curious how Bitcoin users are voting in the UK General Election - added options for those who are not in the UK as well.

The results are only shown after voting and it's running for 7 days. You can state your reasons below if you want to.
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