Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price tracking&discussion (Anarchy) (Read 2648 times)

If that happened the dump wouldn't last long. Everyone would be scrambling to buy cheap coins, and afterwards any fear of Satoshi dumping would be gone forever. All those rich venture capitalists who are beginning to take an interest in Bitcoin would be competing to buy the cheap coins along with the rest of us.

If anyone dumped the price down to something ridiculous like $10 I would be throwing everything I could crape together to snatch the cheap coins before someone else bought them all.

Good points. Someone needs to go back and do extensive speech pattern analysis (and blood work) and get back here with the results.

Stat! The clock is ticking on that tulip trust..

he seems Windows-y enough, but not UK-English-y enough. praps Craig wasn't on drugs back then and was the team typist, kept in order by the police detective, and regurgitating in simple english whatever the cryptograher told him to say

edit: seeing bitserve's post, Assange and Wright would be attracted to each other on a psychological level

The one that died was Dave Kleiman. If it would be a group, of those three Finney would probably be the most capable and knowleadgle on this subjects.

There are many things that doesn't match with Wright being satoshi or even in "the group". There are a few that would.

It is true that Wright was somewhat involved on mailing lists related to the subject. There even is a funny moment in 1996 when Julian Assange replies this to Wright in the cypherpunks mailing list:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/674448945381249024

I have always suspected that Julian Assange could have been involved in the develop of Bitcoin. Before all this Wikileaks stuff he was a old school hacker and a very good coder. He was a regular of irc channel #hack in 1993-1995 using the nick proff and usually connecting from his own ISP/BBS suburbia.apana.org. He was somewhat low profile, but probably one or the most knowledgeable individuals on that channel. He also was a kind and helpful  person, with no ego problem unlike many others there.

During that time he coded several very interesting tools (for the time), such as a system-wide log removal tool (marry.c) including accounting (pacct), a precursor of NMAP (strobe.c - the first multithreaded non-blocking port scanner) and many others.

Years before that he was a very active hacker that infiltrated in several US government sensitive networks. At the time he was a regular in irc as proff, he was suppossedly "retired" from that activity as he had already been caught. He was working in a book. He already was expressing some concerns about the activities of the US government.

He is also from Australia, same as Craig Wright.

So.... what if "satoshi" was Julian Assange? What was the time "satoshi" stopped posting?

I'm not totally convinced this wasn't the Satoshi we know from forum posts.

My fear of Craig Wright is not that he is Satoshi. that..he was one of the 3 guys who maybe started bitcoin....
I forget the other one name, tossed about in this theory.

 One died alone in a wheelchair...(forget the name)< the other was famous Hal Finney.

IF what Craig Wright says is correct and he is the last man standing and IF they really did put the majority of the
bitcoin in a trust that supposedly now only craig Wright says will be available to himself on Jan 1st, 2020 as the
last man of the group.

We all are beyond screwed at that point. Also, NO BTC has been spent from those various wallets (could be in a trust) ....NO Satoshi has come forward...even Craig Wright did not out himself..he had Australian Tax Issues at the time, all this speculation on him hit the fan..he ran with it...but did not push it himself, again at the time.

So sh*t, as pissed off with his ego at those that doubt him ...it could be payback time to the world.

well heck...the odds may be 1 in 1000 of this shaking out this way...where this guy on the sidelines of bitcoin

development just 'happens' to be the last man standing and benefits from this 'dead mans' trust setup.

we are all doomed...he is a complete ass and would sell a mess of BTC just to get back at all those who doubt him
....assuming Satoshi really is an 'anarchist' he could just sell so much and watch the BTC universe burn ..and still
walk away with millions. (think of Donald Trump as the inventor of bitcoin and we doubted him and he got
a hold of the keys in 2020...pretty much would work badly for everyone in that manner too...same thing..different
guys..same egos)

shudder

again only a 'fable' but that would be 'vampires are real' kinda wake up call if it is true...just enough mystery
in the whole thing to make me think...damn ..if it was gonna all go 'tulips' and 'beanie baby' Craig Wright being
Satoshi and getting a hold of this trust ..would pretty much be the reason bitcoin and maybe ALL decentralised
cryptocurrencies would tank.

(scared self)

anyway a nice little hopefully 'fable' but some people in the crypto world believe it and support Craig Wright's
patents and paying off Australian tax problems etc....again just enough 'what if' for the occasional BTC 'shudder'
and looking under the bed for monsters.

Pretty accurate analysis IMO. I guess Craig has to make his move before segwit activates (he hates segwit, and his (currently) imaginary pool won't accept segwit transactions). I expect more drama first. Then segwit activates, miners won't hardfork to 2mb..perhaps, Jihan will try to fork unsuccessfully 

Not only that, but body language and attitude also tend to give away many things.

He's appears to be reading from something like a teleprompter. He's pacing back and forth like a caged animal because he's nervous. A sign of someone very worried about perceptions in front of a smarter audience. He looks bloated and out of shape, huffing and puffing instead of relaxed and calm. Calm and relaxed is the sign of someone confident in what they know, and what they are saying. At times he seems to be irrationally emotional about the subject matter. Also notice how many times in the talk he uses the word "I" or "me", self-referencing constantly. Or even the phrase "my team" (as in a team under 'my' control). And for a so-called expert in Blockchain tech he also talks like a half-informed layperson at the pinnacle of Mt. Stupid on the knowledge scale. Definitely doesn't speak like a quiet genius.

All these things point to someone very Narcissistic and psychotic, trying to pass themselves off as someone they aren't.

The point is that if you've been around since 2009, you should believe in bitcoin's power to change society for the better. If not, piss off. If you beleive in bitcoin's power to change society for the better, you must by this point in time either be quite wealthy or quite stupid. If stupid, piss off. If you are quite wealthy, then you should be willing to spend some reasonable sum on a computer sufficient to be a first-class member of a first-class network. If not, piss off.

And 2009 is just an extreme. indeed, there are very few days that you could have gotten into Bitcoin without having double your money at this point in time. If you've benefited, you should be more than happy to actually contribute to a capable network, rather than have the temerity to cripple advocate for the crippling of what may be the most freeing innovation mankind ever developed.

edit: strikeouts and underlines

You think only early adopters ought to be running full nodes? What does 2009 have to do with anything?

Not exactly the segments I would have chosen for the highlights reel.

Though I'm chuckling that I'm pretty sure this video was edited by someone who thought they were cherry-picking parts that put him in a bad light. I actually agree with most of that.

Favorite paraphrase: 'If you've been in Bitcoin since 2009, and you can't afford a machine capable enough to keep up with demand, then piss off'.


Well, I can't argue too strenuously against that. At least not from these excerpts. The entire presentation was still somewhat scattered, but certainly had a more consistent narrative than conveyed by the attack reel. Worth viewing in entirety.

You should go there and express your thoughts. theymos has been around a while and is probably a few tricks ahead of all the scumbags WO has attracted in the past.

Sounds to me like a hostile take over. Most people have multiple BTCTalk usernames so using a poll to decide is meaningless, it just means the most sockpuppet accounts voted for the winner which is even more reason NOT to give them the moderator position.

The "plan" is to re-open the old one when a new owner can be agreed upon.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wall-observer-new-ownership-2004227

So they closed the Wall Observer thread because of "Spam" and now there are 5-10 different wall observer threads, none coming close to the large number of watchers on the old thread. Great Job!

first warning ... don't piddle on the carpet you stupid little puppy.

This isn't official until I see Jimbo post

Apart from that spike down to $2522 earlier today on stamp it's been totally flat prices today. Also the walls are almost evenly balanced on both stamp and finex. I suspect this stability could last for months leaving us with nothing to speculate on. There are times when Bitcoin becomes more stable that some of the top fiat currencies.

Bitfinex and Bitstamp are converging on price again ... $2600 is looking surprisingly stable.

Maybe we are in for some BIG sideways movements??

I like seeing the price go up of course, but so-so volume kinda looks lacking. Would need to see rising volume and a solid run at $2650 on Stamp before we can call it good.

Hope it picks up.

I hope it's not a fake out. It could very well be, because all the Future of Bitcoin-drama.

I would be surprised if it broke out from the triangle in an upward fashion. The market will likely go sideways for the next 3-4 weeks, meaning no more major volatility .
Look to early September for the next major movements.

Edit:
(Insert chart here)

Most of the times I got it right were down to pure luck, and I got it wrong too many times to mention. However, looking at the six month chart there were lots of slow rises and falls, apart from in May/June. I'm betting on a slow gradual move whichever way it goes.

The setup looked very bullish TA-wise a while ago (around the highs) so I expected a nice leg up, yet we broke down.  Like Yefi also noted earlier, it looks like we are losing momentum.  If you are at the start of the bull run, I don't have an issue with that.  When you are in full bubble mode, losing steam raises serious red flags. 
I have been wrong before though, lost a big leveraged short position when it went up after going below 1000 on hardforking concerns.

Why downwards? We have been in a bull market for months, and each time people thought it couldn't go higher it went higher. Is there some TA behind your reasoning, or just a gut feeling?

His rant was just puffed-up bluster and sound bites. He's honestly a hopeless communicator. And sort of a dick.

We'd make a great team lol. Srsly tho, I just hang around cracking wise. So long as he keeps a light hand, I think Marcus has earned it. I would be willing to delete the r0ach's Hitler memes on principle, however.

Yeah, I am also seeing a triangle formation.  I am expecting it to break downwards however...

Ok. Thanks for that.
Hope I remember to check there next time some mod question arises.

I, too, am pleased at the price considering the never ending array of battles bitcoin seems to need to fight.

Yes, you can view the latest post deletions, bans, and thread removals here. The list only holds the last day or two's moderation actions. After that I don't think there's a way for ordinary users to view them any more.

https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

PS: I'm pleased the price is back above $2500. Let's hope it stays above it for the rest of the weekend.

Theymos is asking for a list of who might want to take over the old WO thread:


Anyone interested?

The guy is a lunatic, I wish he'd crawl up behind a rock somewhere & die. Any way, I hope this Wall Observer stays unlocked. The original was my favourite thread on the whole forum.

Price wise I think we will have a period of sideways before a significant swing either way dependent on what happens 1st August.  

TA is all fine and dandy but i don't see a break out based on market sentiment until Nov 18: https://medium.com/@jimmysong/segwit2x-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-2mb-hard-fork-27749e1544ce

This looks like the thread I'd rather read.

Thx for committing time to it, and for committing to the light touch moderation.

PS: Is there a moderation log capability on bitcointalk? I prolly should know by now, but I don't.

Checking the flexibility of the rules on double posts here ...

Anyone who knows some math or physics will recognize the equations on that black(clear?)board as being complete rubbish. I wonder what the guy really knows and which qualifications came from breakfast cereal packets.

Totally unhinged.

https://vid.me/frzw

The number of Wall Observer threads appears to be growing faster than Craig's patent claims. 

That guy is psycopath.

Kraken margin pool is dry again.

I suspect the winning fork will be the one that's closest to the original, provided the original stays locked. Light touch moderation might well win. No moderation will probably get locked, and heavy moderation will probably make everyone too scared to post anything humorous.

I hope my predictions about this thread are better than my price predictions. A few hours after predicting range bound between £2500 and $2600 it crashed below £2500!

... shows up at a conference in middle of biggest bitcoin controversy ever  

And didn't he say "you'll never hear from me again!"?

Whenever he shows up bitcoin price takes a dive ...

Not sure how much effort it will be going into it   ... it will definitely be 'light touch' moderation (no hard slaps).

I screwed up the first go around by forgetting to click the "self-moderated" button so locked that ... it all adds to the forking anarchy confusion which is a good thing. Ultimately we need the original re-opened but this will be a possible option in case that doesn't happen.

I want in.

Thanks for being prepared to put a lot of effort into moderating this.

I think we are going sideways this week, range bound between £2500 and $2600. I can't see any significant walls on stamp, which usually indicates nobody's sure which way it will go.

Mi casa, su casa.

Treat WO like you would like others to treat you.

Behave yourself and there wont be any trouble; piddle on the carpet, talk dirty or generally be obnoxious and you'll get booted out.

Amended from adamstgBit fork :

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Whenever there is a significant change in market depth, please update this thread with a new depth chart, and a good price chart with some TA is also welcome, feel free to comment on these if you have something worth contributing.

Posting guide lines:
 Please lets keep this thread clean. ( I will be removing any obnoxiously off topic posts, thread-jacking attempts, smearing, scatological attacks, etc )
 Some amount of random comments are allowed on this thread, but try to keep it related to the last wall update or price movement.
 Strictly no altcoin discussion unless it directly relates to bitcoin pricing movements.

as requested, i have started a new thread.
this thread is now a self-moderated topic.
I will try and keep this thread clean, with only facts, current trends, past price movements, depth charts, etc.

thank you for your input!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1858442