Topic: War in Ethiopia, why is everyone silent? (Read 291 times)

I don't think it's about racism.
In order to live well in Europe and the USA, there must be a war in Africa. This helps to take the most resources at a very low cost.

This is serious and what can be more racist than this? Is it that the Europe and US depend on the raw material from Africa to the extent that they will be allowed into war so they will be sucked off their resource to persecute the war. The growth being stagnated because of these wars, no country progresses with political instability and economic misdirection. This challenges have bedeviled the continent but the countries there have no proper leadership direction and that is the problem of Africa.

The USA was a British colony until 1776. The US wants to control all the processes in the world and create problems for China. There are a lot of factors here. The situation in Ethiopia weakens China's influence in Africa. The situation in Ukraine weakens Europe and Russia,

I understand the history of US independence in 1776 yes and the fact that they are trying to hold on to power against the close rivals of Russia and China.

I also understand that during the scramble for Africa era regarding slave trades and more, that Africa was the source of raw material including human labour for Europe, but is China having any connection in the past with Ethiopia ? Except this current economic struggle for Africa trading space. I remember Ethiopia wasn't colonized.

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and Ukraine had the largest army in Europe.

Ukrainian army isn't the largest in Europe. I was reading 50 most powerful military in the world , Ukraine was number 25th while Russia was 2nd after USA (1st) and before China (3rd).
I watched this from SnapTube but I don't like warfare, I like the world to be in peace but I know that isn't possible Grin

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I was talking about quantification. There is a lot of old equipment in Russia from the 1940s to the 1980s, and the same thing happened in many former Soviet republics.
Example. Shooting down a drone that costs several hundred dollars is very expensive with modern air defenses, but very cheap with 1950s anti-aircraft guns.
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One well known problem about many wars, particularly in Africa, is the impossibility of covering the conflict without extreme risks to the lives of the journalists. There is a huge interest in not having unwanted nosey journalists around so that they can genocide or starve (like in Ethiopia) without the world knowing. People do have a limited interest, but even less if it is impossible to get news.

It is even worse in quite a few Latin American countries.

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Here is what one family is doing about the war in Ethiopia:

https://missioncentral.us/category/africa/eric-and-johanna-stinnett/

https://www.lcms.org/stinnett

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It's kinda bound to happen, this is an ethnic conflict that seemed to have come out of a failed power-sharing. IIRC it involved the firing of soldiers from Tigray, which were heavily-represented in the national army, and it went downhill from there.

Hopefully they can finally sort this out sooner and with not more additions to casualties.

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That is what every country that has tasted war has gone through. War is a terrible event that if it is happening in a country, no other country will come to end it. Their is nothing worse than war because it takes to put it to an end. War ends until the two parties are tired of it.

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I totally forgot about this. Didn't knew it was still on going. I do remember it being covered in the news around the time that Addis Ababba was at risk of falling to the rebel army. It kinda went off the radar after that was averted.

But that is how war is. All the "international community" can do is try to get both sides to do negotiations and (hopefully) get both to abide by human rights rules, otherwise they have to settle these differences themselves.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on August 27, 2022, 01:27:13 AM

Don't you see the reason why they're quiet about this? It's simple racism that's making this war go unnoticed, if you read enough news stories check how they overreacted with the war on Ukraine. Wanna know why? That's cause they're mostly white and in political standpoint, helping Ethiopia won't be a big help for US against their tense relationship with the Russian government.

The media push forward the news and put it in every headline until now but in some countries like Ethiopia, has nothing to do with them and only a few of those mainstream media will gonna put it in their headlines on rare occasions, they will rather choose to publish an unknown flying object recorded with blurred cameras than showing us the reality of what's going on with the part of the world right now. Thankfully we have a community such as this one, we can gain some updates on what's going on, imagine if it was in the 70s or 80s.

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To answer your question on why the silence, I will put it mildly – Perhaps it's because Ethiopia proved stubborn to Europe in the past as it wasn't colonized by any. It remained the only country in Africa with Liberia that weren't colonized.

Quote from: zasad@ on August 28, 2022, 08:48:46 AM

If you do not want democracy, then you will have a war in your country .. how many times will this story be repeated?

I see this pattern all the time too and I see the hand of the US in it. It was the same fate Libya suffered under Gaddafi. A country that was well run but the US felt it should be a democracy and ousted the charismatic but stubborn Gaddafi out of office. Till today, Libya has remained in a troubled state. It's the same thing that's likely going to play out in Ethiopia. When will Africans learn?

Come to think of it, the super powers are often the problem of this world and the crisis therein. They like to head to countries they know they can get something compensatory from if they have to intervene in their crisis. There's always a point of interest. Otherwise the stay out. Most times, they're the troublemakers who hide pretentiously to act the good guy. They instigate the problem and then act like they're offering help.

Asides from the fact that they were never colonized by any European country, their prime minister, Abiy Ahmed went ahead to form a political party which was not recognized by the people of Tigray, and as though to revolt, the people accused him of being an illegitimate ruler due to the fact that an election which would have put him in power slated for 29th Aug 2020 was moved to 2021 as a result of the COVID-19 outbreak.

I don't think the US would try to lend a helping hand as they usually do in wars or clashes because since the start of the war, they have donated over $1bn per year towards health, education and humanitarian services.

Also, with the leader not being able to unite the Ethiopia- Eritrea which the US actually wanted but since the whole thing is not panning, I guess they had to back out.

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Everyone are silent because Russia, USA and China are not involved in that war directly.

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Quote from: Marykeller on August 27, 2022, 02:25:44 AM

I don't think it's about racism.
In order to live well in Europe and the USA, there must be a war in Africa. This helps to take the most resources at a very low cost.

This is serious and what can be more racist than this? Is it that the Europe and US depend on the raw material from Africa to the extent that they will be allowed into war so they will be sucked off their resource to persecute the war. The growth being stagnated because of these wars, no country progresses with political instability and economic misdirection. This challenges have bedeviled the continent but the countries there have no proper leadership direction and that is the problem of Africa.

The USA was a British colony until 1776. The US wants to control all the processes in the world and create problems for China. There are a lot of factors here. The situation in Ethiopia weakens China's influence in Africa. The situation in Ukraine weakens Europe and Russia,

I understand the history of US independence in 1776 yes and the fact that they are trying to hold on to power against the close rivals of Russia and China.

I also understand that during the scramble for Africa era regarding slave trades and more, that Africa was the source of raw material including human labour for Europe, but is China having any connection in the past with Ethiopia ? Except this current economic struggle for Africa trading space. I remember Ethiopia wasn't colonized.

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and Ukraine had the largest army in Europe.

Ukrainian army isn't the largest in Europe. I was reading 50 most powerful military in the world , Ukraine was number 25th while Russia was 2nd after USA (1st) and before China (3rd).
I watched this from SnapTube but I don't like warfare, I like the world to be in peace but I know that isn't possible Grin

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Quote from: teosanru on August 26, 2022, 03:08:48 PM

Quote from: Gozie51 on August 27, 2022, 05:55:32 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-22/ethiopia-s-war-toll-grows-as-the-world-looks-away

"Though the war’s true toll is impossible to know, researchers from Belgium’s Ghent University estimate as many as half a million people have died so far: between 50,000 and 100,000 from the fighting, 150,000 to 200,000 from starvation and more than 100,000 from the lack of medical attention. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has expressed concern about possible ethnic cleansing in Tigray, but the government in Addis Ababa has dismissed this as “spurious.”"

In this country, the interests of 2 countries China and the United States clashed. China was friends with the current government, and the US supported Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed, whose actions led to a civil war with heavy losses.

If you do not want democracy, then you will have a war in your country .. how many times will this story be repeated?

Only reason why this is not being reported is that it's not happening in any first world country, neither a first world country has any direct relation with this war, Also this area is not important to any 1st world country for its geopolitics, so because of all this, no one really is talking about this. If the first world country want these sort of wars can be easily avoided in any country of the world, they have enough resources to supply to the federal government of these countries to supress any such anti-national uprising however they chose to stay away from such small countries in turn letting people die.

You just dished out the raw truth. The first country doesn't try to get involved in something that doesn't favour or add value to her country. Am yet to understand why the news of what is happening in Ethiopia hasn't gone viral for the whole world to know about it.

African countries should unite and stop all this unnecessary waging of war hovering around their territory than waiting for the first country to get involved in all their wars before they put a stop by finding a lasting solution

The main problem is that African countries cannot unite, obviously you are in a region which is least developed in the world and most of you have been under common colonial rule, and as they say if two people are fighting there must have been an European just passed by. This is true for Africa as well. They too have lot of internal disputes, some inter country disputes and some civil war within the countries. And I don't think there is going to be a solution for these for next few decades.

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Why most people are always like these?

1. US supporter: Turning a blind eye of its underground activities meddling other countries affairs for its own benefit.
2. Russian supporter: Turn a blind eye on Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia.
3. Chinese supporter: Turn a blind eye on Xinjiang, Tibet and its tiny neighboring Asian neighbors.
4. Western Europe supporter: Turn a blind eye on its exploitations and hypocrisies.

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I don't think it's about racism.
In order to live well in Europe and the USA, there must be a war in Africa. This helps to take the most resources at a very low cost.

This is serious and what can be more racist than this? Is it that the Europe and US depend on the raw material from Africa to the extent that they will be allowed into war so they will be sucked off their resource to persecute the war. The growth being stagnated because of these wars, no country progresses with political instability and economic misdirection. This challenges have bedeviled the continent but the countries there have no proper leadership direction and that is the problem of Africa.

The USA was a British colony until 1776. The US wants to control all the processes in the world and create problems for China. There are a lot of factors here. The situation in Ethiopia weakens China's influence in Africa. The situation in Ukraine weakens Europe and Russia, and Ukraine had the largest army in Europe.

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I don't think it's about racism.
In order to live well in Europe and the USA, there must be a war in Africa. This helps to take the most resources at a very low cost.

This is serious and what can be more racist than this? Is it that the Europe and US depend on the raw material from Africa to the extent that they will be allowed into war so they will be sucked off their resource to persecute the war. The growth being stagnated because of these wars, no country progresses with political instability and economic misdirection. This challenges have bedeviled the continent but the countries there have no proper leadership direction and that is the problem of Africa.

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Don't you see the reason why they're quiet about this? It's simple racism that's making this war go unnoticed, if you read enough news stories check how they overreacted with the war on Ukraine. Wanna know why? That's cause they're mostly white and in political standpoint, helping Ethiopia won't be a big help for US against their tense relationship with the Russian government.

I don't think it's about racism.
In order to live well in Europe and the USA, there must be a war in Africa. This helps to take the most resources at a very low cost.
The same situation with Ukraine. Only here the situation is reversed, which forces Europeans to buy gas and other resources in the United States 3-4 times more expensive. How long can their economy survive in such conditions?

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on August 26, 2022, 03:05:19 PM

Don't you see the reason why they're quiet about this? It's simple racism that's making this war go unnoticed, if you read enough news stories check how they overreacted with the war on Ukraine. Wanna know why? That's cause they're mostly white and in political standpoint, helping Ethiopia won't be a big help for US against their tense relationship with the Russian government.

Racism? I don't think so but probably there is no political scope for the bigger countries to interfere in a small nation caused this to be unnoticed. In Africa there is no celebrity? Who can voice about this? So people from all around the world can give attention to what is happening there.

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Not only in Ethiopia many countries in Africa, Asia and the Middle East go through wars that not only take lives but leave the economy of those countries crippling. But we don't get to see much attention giving to such wars, the situation of some immigrants who left their countries because of poor economy in search of a greener future for themselves, passing through great dangers in the wilderness only to then be treated like animals at the board.

No one deserves such inhuman act and the world is very picky to which war and inhuman act to speak up on. I am just learning about the war in Ethiopia and I would do more research on this, but I think there should be equality no human life is more important than another. And alarm should always be raised against war on innocent lives anywhere in the world.

I don't think there are other African countries experiencing war at the moment except Ethopia. What African countries are facing is insecurity and low GDP. The insane inhumanity in Ethopia should call for concern because so far following the friday airstrike that caused casualties in Makele where kindergartens and Civilian residents were victims. Hitting military target in a residential area is a plot for war

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War, famine and the rest of the 4 horsemen of the apocalipse are and have been ignored by the larger community when it comes to Africa. I don't know what could change that, but education outside of Africa on what is happening there could be a good start. It's not immidiate action, but it's a step in the right direction.

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Quote from: NotATether on August 27, 2022, 03:11:31 AM

Don't you see the reason why they're quiet about this? It's simple racism that's making this war go unnoticed, if you read enough news stories check how they overreacted with the war on Ukraine. Wanna know why? That's cause they're mostly white and in political standpoint, helping Ethiopia won't be a big help for US against their tense relationship with the Russian government.

I disagree. It's more because the West sees Russia as a boogeyman and vice versa.

It has been that way since Cold War and I clearly said in the last part that helping Ethiopia won't be of any help with US-Russian relations.

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As someone who currently lives there (in the capital) in a relative's house, maybe you'll find this useful.

It is definitely not a proxy war between US and China, so that can be ruled out, although I've noticed that Ethiopians have some beef with the USA.

Situation inside the capital city (Addis Ababa) is stable, as far as I can see. There are no demonstrations or riots here. Probably because most people are not aware of what's going on because Ethiopian government is censoring independent news agencies that try to report the facts. This is according to what I've read in English papers (I don't understand Ethiopian language).

US Department of State has a level 3 travel warning on it. So I'm ready to leave if things start getting ugly here.

Quote from: teosanru on August 26, 2022, 03:08:48 PM

Don't you see the reason why they're quiet about this? It's simple racism that's making this war go unnoticed, if you read enough news stories check how they overreacted with the war on Ukraine. Wanna know why? That's cause they're mostly white and in political standpoint, helping Ethiopia won't be a big help for US against their tense relationship with the Russian government.

I disagree. It's more because the West sees Russia as a boogeyman and vice versa.

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Don't you see the reason why they're quiet about this? It's simple racism that's making this war go unnoticed, if you read enough news stories check how they overreacted with the war on Ukraine. Wanna know why? That's cause they're mostly white and in political standpoint, helping Ethiopia won't be a big help for US against their tense relationship with the Russian government.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-22/ethiopia-s-war-toll-grows-as-the-world-looks-away

"Though the war’s true toll is impossible to know, researchers from Belgium’s Ghent University estimate as many as half a million people have died so far: between 50,000 and 100,000 from the fighting, 150,000 to 200,000 from starvation and more than 100,000 from the lack of medical attention. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has expressed concern about possible ethnic cleansing in Tigray, but the government in Addis Ababa has dismissed this as “spurious.”"

In this country, the interests of 2 countries China and the United States clashed. China was friends with the current government, and the US supported Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed, whose actions led to a civil war with heavy losses.

If you do not want democracy, then you will have a war in your country .. how many times will this story be repeated?

Only reason why this is not being reported is that it's not happening in any first world country, neither a first world country has any direct relation with this war, Also this area is not important to any 1st world country for its geopolitics, so because of all this, no one really is talking about this. If the first world country want these sort of wars can be easily avoided in any country of the world, they have enough resources to supply to the federal government of these countries to supress any such anti-national uprising however they chose to stay away from such small countries in turn letting people die.

You just dished out the raw truth. The first country doesn't try to get involved in something that doesn't favour or add value to her country. Am yet to understand why the news of what is happening in Ethiopia hasn't gone viral for the whole world to know about it.

African countries should unite and stop all this unnecessary waging of war hovering around their territory than waiting for the first country to get involved in all their wars before they put a stop by finding a lasting solution

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To answer your question on why the silence, I will put it mildly – Perhaps it's because Ethiopia proved stubborn to Europe in the past as it wasn't colonized by any. It remained the only country in Africa with Liberia that weren't colonized.

If you do not want democracy, then you will have a war in your country .. how many times will this story be repeated?

I see this pattern all the time too and I see the hand of the US in it. It was the same fate Libya suffered under Gaddafi. A country that was well run but the US felt it should be a democracy and ousted the charismatic but stubborn Gaddafi out of office. Till today, Libya has remained in a troubled state. It's the same thing that's likely going to play out in Ethiopia. When will Africans learn?

Come to think of it, the super powers are often the problem of this world and the crisis therein. They like to head to countries they know they can get something compensatory from if they have to intervene in their crisis. There's always a point of interest. Otherwise the stay out. Most times, they're the troublemakers who hide pretentiously to act the good guy. They instigate the problem and then act like they're offering help.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-22/ethiopia-s-war-toll-grows-as-the-world-looks-away

"Though the war’s true toll is impossible to know, researchers from Belgium’s Ghent University estimate as many as half a million people have died so far: between 50,000 and 100,000 from the fighting, 150,000 to 200,000 from starvation and more than 100,000 from the lack of medical attention. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has expressed concern about possible ethnic cleansing in Tigray, but the government in Addis Ababa has dismissed this as “spurious.”"

In this country, the interests of 2 countries China and the United States clashed. China was friends with the current government, and the US supported Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed, whose actions led to a civil war with heavy losses.

If you do not want democracy, then you will have a war in your country .. how many times will this story be repeated?

It is tragic that these sort of wars take place with little coverage in comparison to say, Russia's war against Ukraine in Europe. However the media plays a role and if the government of Ethiopia make it difficult for journalists to report in an unbiased way, then naturally fewer stories will get out of the region. Let's just be clear though, China is friends with no one - it exists only to advance it's own benefit and every economic project has been extended only in the most expensive and self serving way possible. If China lends you money, they charge you 10% and insist on importing Chinese labor to complete the project. At least when countries like the US assist they charge much lower rates and at least generate plenty of work for locals. It seems like you have it backwards anyway, any normal person would want freedom and democracy, China's authoritarian style of government is happy to support any level of terror or dictators without any qualms.

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In this country, the interests of 2 countries China and the United States clashed. China was friends with the current government, and the US supported Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed, whose actions led to a civil war with heavy losses.

If you do not want democracy, then you will have a war in your country .. how many times will this story be repeated?

There would always be external influence anywhere their is civil war. The world powers see is as an opportunity to sell and dispose some of their military capabilities. Also war time is the best time to get cheap economic and investment treaties because the warring factions are under-pressure to get support from these developed nations. It has been reported that there is an ethnic cleansing of the Tigray region. There are no evidence of this heinous crime because the government is not giving free access to the press to showcase these atrocities. The US and its allies are focusing only on the Ukraine crisis because Ethiopia is in Africa.
The issue in Ethiopia has a tribal historical undertone and not just about democracy. Abiy Ahmed was democratically elected, but the Tigray region wants more autonomy and that's the main cause of the war.

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I think the media was silent during the rwandan and armenian genocides. There are many today who deny the armenian genocide even occurred. The same can be said of independence movements around the world. Catalan independence did not receive much attention. Same with the arab spring. The only one that received much attention was #brexit.

Many pride themselves on not following international news. There isn't much of a market for current events around the world. A large part of the reason why many cannot put current events into their proper context. And find themselves caught by surprise when trends which were common abroad for many years, finally come full circle, landing on american shores.

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In this country, the interests of 2 countries China and the United States clashed. China was friends with the current government, and the US supported Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed, whose actions led to a civil war with heavy losses.

If you do not want democracy, then you will have a war in your country .. how many times will this story be repeated?

I never hear about this matter until now but it is sad that storyline of how the Covid -19 generated from Wuhan became a global issue is not enough for our political leader.
What we are seeing is the mistake caused by political differences and the same thing led to Ukraine's invasion will is going to a year now.
I think we need decentralization in our political scheme.

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Not only in Ethiopia many countries in Africa, Asia and the Middle East go through wars that not only take lives but leave the economy of those countries crippling. But we don't get to see much attention giving to such wars, the situation of some immigrants who left their countries because of poor economy in search of a greener future for themselves, passing through great dangers in the wilderness only to then be treated like animals at the board.

Many countries in Africa are at war with themselves, with poverty and with bad leadership. With terrorists and bandits. Some are refugees even in their own countries. Living in displaced camps and hoping for their next meal to fall from above.
The world powers a playing politics and of course fighting. But when two elephants fight, the grass suffers. Chinese government I do not see much problem with them, but they are indirectly owning the economies of African countries by giving them high loans and investing in critical sectors of their economy. I wonder what will happen by 2030. But when it's not among the high powers, the media down plays it.

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Quote from: teosanru on August 26, 2022, 03:08:48 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-22/ethiopia-s-war-toll-grows-as-the-world-looks-away

"Though the war’s true toll is impossible to know, researchers from Belgium’s Ghent University estimate as many as half a million people have died so far: between 50,000 and 100,000 from the fighting, 150,000 to 200,000 from starvation and more than 100,000 from the lack of medical attention. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has expressed concern about possible ethnic cleansing in Tigray, but the government in Addis Ababa has dismissed this as “spurious.”"

In this country, the interests of 2 countries China and the United States clashed. China was friends with the current government, and the US supported Nobel Peace Prize winner Abiy Ahmed, whose actions led to a civil war with heavy losses.

If you do not want democracy, then you will have a war in your country .. how many times will this story be repeated?

Only reason why this is not being reported is that it's not happening in any first world country, neither a first world country has any direct relation with this war, Also this area is not important to any 1st world country for its geopolitics, so because of all this, no one really is talking about this. If the first world country want these sort of wars can be easily avoided in any country of the world, they have enough resources to supply to the federal government of these countries to supress any such anti-national uprising however they chose to stay away from such small countries in turn letting people die.

Do you seriously think that not one of the countries of the first world is not related to this war? I have listed 2 countries above. In Africa, there are still unofficial colonies of various first world countries that successfully take cheap resources from there and conduct their experiments there.

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