Topic: War requires three things (Read 556 times)

That's how war is and I think all sectors will definitely be affected by the war,
many civilians who became victims of the war between Russia and Ukraine and of course that is very unfortunate,
really hope there will be good news to end the war and follow the latest news

Perhaps Putin could not have found a better solution than war. If Ukraine joins NATO, the US and the West have the right to set up military bases right on Ukraine like Russia is sitting on a ticking time bomb. It is the civilian people who suffer the most, but I think the Russian people will also understand that their president is doing the right thing to protect the country. Hope they Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky will reach an armistice.

Yes, eventually they will not only have natural resources but will obtain much more Uranium and this will increase the nuclear potential that Russia has since the Soviet Union, this is something really strong, because currently it does not matter how much army you have, or how strong they can fight, when there is such a high nuclear potential, it is like going and sticking your hand into a nest of snakes and pretending never to get bitten, this is something very delicate because it has to do with the health of the entire planet, if they go beyond this it could end everything the world, and those who remain alive will still die due to high radiation, it is a total condemnation, for me NATO has failed, USA, they say: "I support you" but I do not fight for you.

War of course destroys everything for both victors and losers, wars that last long of course will cost a lot of money and energy, but I think some countries don't care how much money they have spent on war as long as they can win, and are able to show world if they are a strong country and should be feared by other countries.

It will take a lot of toll first before he can make it profitable. If Putin is able to win the war without highly damaging their economy, then maybe there is a chance to attract more country to take the side of Russia due to its power and weapons. This can also benefit the country that will take side to them, because of their fire power and war capabilities. None the less, I am against the current war that is happening their. Prayers up to the Ukraine

Russia invades Ukraine because of its disagreement that it belong to NATO. Because it would reduce Russia's sovereignty and influence over the country. Due to ts geographical location, Ukraine represents a security zone
geopolitically it is a loss for Russia.

I understand Putin that he sees Ukraine as a brother country and that they should not be separated.
But the time came and Ukraine decided to be free and chose to belong to NATO.

A conflict like this tends to escalate with the destabilization of the Europe area.
Since Russia knows that Western European countries have become more dependent on its exports, it can continue to attack.

As the panorama shows, it is necessary to produce more oil, more raw materials such as wheat and cereals, which are the other production of that area.

Ukraine is not a weak country, just that they want peace to rain between them and Russian so that their economy will not collapse like other countries. It will be difficult for Russian to destroy Ukraine country because other countries of the world will not allow such thing to happen to Ukraine country than to do everything possible within their power to stop Russian not to have their way into their resources. US has banned Russian oil import because of the killing that is happening to Ukraine citizens which many countries are not happy about the bad decision Putin has took to destroy Ukraine country.

Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable by destabilizing and frighten Ukraine via collapsing their economy and making democracy to fail
These are the benefits he thought he will gain from the aggression of war. But lets see the end result and if he will surely get his intended profits.

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I agree with you. That was his goal at first point, but in order to achieve that he has had to also risk a lot of money and take the potential negative consequences of his acts, that are now showing themselves over russian economy and over the russian society as a whole, considering the thousands of dead soldiers already. So it seems this war isn't going to be eventually profitable for Putin in anyways...
Maybe he calculated everything wrong or just didn't calculate anything at all. And even on the worse scenario, that is, if Putin decides to use his nuclear power, there won't be any profit on it after all, since the impact of such armament on the environment is completely devastating, making areas and resources useless or untouchable.

Showing the West and Ukraine how powerful, mighty and affirm His wills are in making them bow down to all His demands without having to lose anything at the end, even if it doesn't profit Putin and His entire cabinets declaring war on Ukrainian soil bombing them to surrender, and making the land desolate its an achievement to show the world how powerful He is.
Though nobody can predict the outcome or aftermath end result of this ongoing war with the look of things it might go from bad to worse because Ukrainian's would rather prefer to die for their beloved country than to surrender to Putin.

Yes, Putin's appetite is great, but he won't get Ukraine. Maybe he calculated the economic side of the invasion, but he clearly did not take into account the freedom-loving spirit of the Ukrainian people. In addition, we must agree that in every war, money plays a big role. Europe has already understood that Putin will not stop in Ukraine and will move on. Therefore, they agree to give Ukraine money and weapons, if only the Ukrainians would protect Europe from the distraught Putin.
In the presence of such decent assistance and taking into account the army that has grown stronger over the past eight years, Ukraine is showing enviable professionalism and pointwise inflicting not only tangible, but even lethal losses on the enemy.

I think he just wants to keep on doing the "Russian way" and go reach the USSR levels of map once again. He doesn't need to actually control the lands, he just needs puppets around him and Zelensky showed that he is not interested in that. Look at Belarus, they are basically their own nation but they are not liked by many and Russia put a puppet at the top of the board there.

This is why I believe that there is a good case to be made about Ukraine attack not even being about an attack. Just get rid of their leader, put a puppet leader that is more pro-Russian and then leave them be. It is never about lands, it is about being in control for Putin and he wasn't in control of Ukraine at all.

They could get resources from Ukraine, all is about resources. If you see building an empire requires resources, and the world cannot give it to all countries. That is why either you have your own or get it from others, this is survival in here we are talking.

Yes one of them or maybe that's what underlies Russia's attack on Ukraine,
they Russians are worried that if Ukraine does join the EU and NATO,
and with this war the losses suffered were of course from Ukrainian civilians who did not know anything and many also died besides that they also lost their homes and were forced to flee to safer neighboring countries

From their perspective it is about their national security because Ukraine wanted to join the European Union and they wanted to join the NATO which is a big security risk for Russia and in that perspective that is the reason for this attack so that they can remove the current president and place a new puppet government that would listen to Russia.

Russian "people" will suffer from these, citizens, even rich people will probably suffer from this but not too much. Not like wealthy oligarchs of Russia will suddenly need to live on pension, we are talking about wealthy people who hide their wealth so well that we do not know them and even after having so much money they are not ranked in Forbes most of the time.

However, government will not suffer, they will do anything they want and still live amazingly, Putin will not lose a meal over this, he will continue his life without ever feeling getting a single cent poorer even after all of these sanctions. Why? Because he gets all of his power from being a dictator and can say and get anything he wants.

 the correct quote:


' For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.'    from the Bible 1 Timothy 6:10

 which means this in modern English:

the love of money is the root of all evil = correct

not this:

money is the root of all evil = false

Ie: I do not love money I will not harm people places or things on purpose to get more money

Ie : I love money I will hurt people people places or things if I get more money by doing it.

I think the reason on why Putin started an invasion against Ukraine is due to its psychological impact and warfare. It is not about the resources perse but the fact that it shows a statement around the world that Russia can at least start a war with a country and establish themselves as a hegemonic country.

Again, though there are vast resources in Ukraine and it also has an advantageous geographical location, it is more on this psychological warfare on why Putin is so obsessed in invading Ukraine. Since almost all countries are in support of Ukraine, this has taken a toll on Putin's idea and how he is slowly collapsing from this decision.

Well I do understand why Putin stand on this war because he was only protecting their land, he being a leader of one of the largest mass land in the earth wants for the betterment of Russian people and he feel threaten on the agenda of Nato or the Wester country trying to get close on their land. He is protecting their land, their resources to be controlled by other races. However, during this kind of crisis the civilian people are the one who suffer most in this war that's why I am hoping and praying that this war may over now.

May be it’s all about the Land! They will posses the land and gain huge natural resources from the same. Though war is heavy they might still get some infra adopted as it is. Once the settlement is grown one more time they will start receiving the taxes, more businesses will bloom which will be working for the Russia. The Black Sea coastal area would be another hot spot for international trades if world still accepts them.

However, I see that war turned out completely wrong here. Russia thought Ukraine is weak country but it turned out to be they are holding pretty good.

So economical situation of the Russia is gonna be destroyed heavily.

I guess Putin is fighting for the betterment of Russian people not to allow other countries to control their resources and other things in the country. Putin is not doing those things because of money he will achieve from the government account because he is a wealthy man in the country which many citizens knew him as a good man that want the best for his country. Putin is fighting for power not money because he understood that when you have power, to get money to improve the economy the war has collapsed is very easy to achieve in the country. Based on the announcement Putin made today show that he will definitely achieve the power for this war between them and Ukraine country.

putin's advantage in this war i see for the long term, if ukraine can be under russian control then they will not worry about the gas line from russia to europe which has been passing through ukraine.  In addition, Russia can benefit from rising gas and oil prices, just look at the new Russian invasion, immediately world oil prices rose.

That's true because a few days ago I read the news that there were several victims who died including civilians,
certainly sad to hear that you could say they lost almost everything,
Many public infrastructures were destroyed by war,
I don't know when this war will end and I hope the world can return to peace

I think that Putin the least interested him, for now, are the benefits, it governs one of the most influential and powerful countries in the world, history has shown that these "dictators" suffer from Hubris.

I will also quote Sun Tzu's saying, "In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity."
Even though it's not only Putin here who does this but there are several other parties who will definitely take advantage of this but of course with the mess that Putin has made there, he certainly has a way to use the opportunities that come to him to his advantage.
Because I personally see this for now will not be finished because at least one side must lose, whether Ukraine will be destroyed or Putin forced to step down.

Yes, Putin never realised the after effects as well as the lives of people. He wants everything to be under his control. Even in the bilateral talks between the country, there were statements to remove Zelenskyy from power and appoint former president Viktor Yanukovych who is very close to the Russian government. This won't come to an end easily. Now the ego could've got triggered, and that's the reason why the airforce have come into the attack.

This time the war is not about money, but it is all about power and trying to establish their potential to the world. Ukraine is nothing down to Russia in any means. Most important reasons behind the war seems to be the growth happening within Ukraine and the European countries support.

One of the greatest recent achievements Russia could have made into record but unsuccessful is acquiring Ukraine, lets take a look at it this way that a rich man in a particular environment could just wake up one day and wanted to buy up all the neighbouring environments close to his house so as to be in charge and have control over every activities within his reach, now this will include the lives both human and their livestocks, land, properties and the natural resources embedded within the region.

But am surprised seen Russia still exhibiting an old way of enslaving people through engaging them in war in other to cart away all their belongings which i personally sees this as Russia been selfish and covetous, now this is a modern way of slavery, if something is close within your reach doesn't means it belongs to you, sharing geographical boundaries and similarities in cultural believes doesn't mean that Russia can impose authority on Ukraine and i see Putin not contempted and for such a person, only death can be their satisfaction.

Money because money means resources! In the end, you can't put money in the tank, you can't fire money from a rifle, soldiers can't eat money! So the statements of Napoleon and Cicero are simplified. If one thinks that money can buy everything he is wrong!

Profit is in the long run, just imagine all the resources that Ukraine has! The prices of everything are jumping, resources are less or hard to come by, so having valuable resources means a lot! Another thing, which is not profit but it's important, Russia wants a buffer zone between them and NATO troops, it doesn't want to allow them to park closer! This is certainly useful in case of any conflict, which is, as we see, very possible!

We cannot see any benefits in Russian side on this wat since we see sanctions everywhere happening these days and people who are in Russia is suffering so much towards those sanction impose to them. The primary intention of Putin about this is Ukraine shouldn't join nato since the power of USA will widespread more and they can control the country they want to target, we can see how strong their presence since when they impose sanction on Russia many other country follows. That's why this war for Ukraine is maybe a way of Putin to warn others not to join on NATO.

This is why money is the root of evil and this war just making profits to parties associated with and the sad part of these that civilians is the main victims here. This is why this war should be stop as soon as possible because the longer it takes the more lives will be wasted.

We don't really know what's on Putin's mind, however the economy of Ukraine is quite good even when the GDP of Ukraine is the lowest among the countries ng Europe. However, we cannot deny the fact the Ukraine has a rich agriculture, in fact Ukraine is a world leader when it comes to agricultural export.

I think that is one of the factor Putin considered so he makes a move to attack Ukraine and maybe, conquer the whole Ukraine to gain power.

All realize that war requires logistics, weapons and tools needed for war, what is said by: @Napoleon there is a point, but money can't guarantee an independent country at war, it's only for resources.

This question, commonly known in war, is the 'beneficiary' side.

I don't want to mention that behind Russia attacking Ukraine, Putin can gain, only he knows and Putin's staff.

From several histories of wars the advantage of certain parties is very clear, the reason they create wars, but this is something that is commonly known by many people, but prefers to keep their mouths shut, that's what happened.

Of course there is a purpose behind the war and economic calculations must be careful, considering that the capital that will be issued is not small. This conflict started from the overthrow of the pro-Russian president in 2014, until now it has heated up and there has been an invasion. If the invasion is successful this time, Russia will get natural resources and get an honorary state which of course is due to the competition between the West Block and the East Block.

It's very hard to quantify the losses Russia faces due to the Ukrainian war. The stock market collapsed, Rubble is going down, international trade stopped, many new sanctions are coming up. On top of that is all the military equipment being lost in less than a week. Every jet, tank or helicopter that goes down cost several million. All these costs together need to have some form of profit that Putin hopes to gain Ukraine. One Profit is that he hopes to get access to the natural resources, like natural gas. If he changes the government and installs a pro Russian prime minister he could also control the large companies in Ukraine.

That "your enemy" thinking is what really started this aggression by Putin. Russia is not communist, is no longer the URSS and has developed strong economic ties with the West and the East. The yachts of the Russian elite sail and dock in Marbella while they enjoy the capitalist system of the US, the international trade and even own Football clubs in UK.

What is this madness of "the enemy"? Russia without Putin would now be a great global player benefiting from trade and sharing wealth. This is more about egomania rather than Realpolitik.

Not profitable, but with their country's security he is willing to even spend more for it.
If Putin doesn't act today, Ukraine might become a member of NATO and Russia badly does not want that to happen. You don't want your enemy sit near close to your border. That logic alone is already a threat for their national security.

I think nobody is profiting on this war, even we are affected when the oil stars to rise

One the one hand, I agree that the one thing that keeps you at war is money. This is also the reason why in every step of the way, the sanctions have always been focused on Russia's economy. From the moment the country started to build up its troops on the border, to the moment Putin actually ordered the attack, until now when the invasion is still going on. The sanctions have always been directed at Russia's elite and wealthy, Russian banks, Russian international deals, and so on. This is to deprive them of money, and, therefore, make them quit from the war.

However, on the side of Putin, this is definitely not about money. He's deranged, after all.

If it was for financial profit Putin would have devised a more profitable approach but the goal is for territorial dorminance and this is why he has channelled so much wealth to see to it he makes his point clear to NATO and the world that he is ready to go in with any one who dares to interfere in the war. And zelensky is also not willing to give in and  zelensky is willing to stay back to secure this same territory

Putin had my full support all the time the diplomacy meeting were being held. But the moment he launched attack, he lost my support because I believe no country should invade another. There are many other ways to win with no innocent dying.

I don't think he is thinking if what he is doing right now is profitable or not. His main target right now is to overtake Ukraine at any cost. There may be economic reasons why he want Ukraine not to be part of NATO, because of sea-based control of Ukraine. But greed is the reason why Putin is doing this. He doesn't want Ukraine to be on its own. Sadly, both Russians and Ukranians are suffering in this pointless war. He should forget about the USSR concept because it has long been gone. Those countries already have their own government. He should take care of his instead.

From my point of view he was bluffing when he threw soldiers near the borders, but then things went bad for him and now he can't just stop everything because his reputation inside the country will get worse than its now.

But Putin has no plans to stop the war. Once he started it, its hard for him to stop. I guess those sanctions made by US for Russia may not be relevant at all as Russia has China that will backed it up. But i agree on the idea that Putin has more interest than money, he aims to prove that Russia should always be the most powerful country and that all its alliance should always submit to its will. And Ukraine should never go against it.

Putin's ambitions are getting worse to rule over Ukraine since NATO plans to build a base in Ukraine. Putin always thinks that Ukraine is part of Russia and must be taken back, that's why Putin said that the people of Donetsk and Luhansk were colonized by the Ukrainian government even though the city was under the control of the Ukrainian government.

It is wrong to say that Russia wants Ukraine without any economic interest, Russia thinks that by controlling Ukraine they can compete with the US and Chinese economies.

This is inspiring if it's true. Because while Russia has a lot of manpower and military objects, it's quite small, economically speaking, and the situation there wasn't good even before the war. The war requires enormous resources, so it's a hit on the economy on its own. Then there are sanctions, the likings of which Russia has never seen. And limitations that affect people heavily, such as inability to fly over EU countries. Plus the closure of Bosporus, which is crucial for military power and for trading. Obviously, Putin operates with the state budget. So it's not his money, it's the taxpayers' money. And short-term, he can pull it off. But with frozen funds, no access to loaning more money, markets closed etc., Russians will feel the impact of the war soon, I'm sure of it. Question is, are they ready to fight for their own right to have food?

Do you really think that money can motivate people for war? We don't live in the middle ages where countries and/or Lords were hiring a team of warriors to fight against their enemy.
Ask yourself, why would someone risk their own live today when he lives comfortably at home with his wife and kids?

The only case when WAR will succeed is when people are strongly united and share the same ideas and thoughts. You need no fear in war, the idea that unites the people must be something that will make them super confident around the idea that they'll succeed and they'll get rid of all anxious thoughts.

Just a reminder: Pervitin played a huge role for Germans in world war 2. This substance made them enormously energetic, super confident and fearless. This is an artificial state of mind but at the moment that worked like fairy dust but the cons of this were psychosis, hallucinations, heart attacks, strokes.

Putin is mad! Psychopathic! Crazy guy! Putin wants to revive the empire of the Soviet Union, he wants to be the most strong and influential on the earth. He and oligarchs that stand with him lose nothing in this war, they have a comfortable life and zero sanctions will ever affect their life. All of these sanctions & restrictions affect Russian people right now and the idea behind this is to make them say no to putin and prove it with live actions but I highly doubt that will happen. Putin is a person who will do everything to keep a power and he will declare war with his people if the situation requires.

Ukraine wants freedom but Russia enjoys no freedom from the start. So this is what Putin wants, that Ukraine should always be a part of Russia because he believed its the way it should be. And that NATO should never accept Ukraine. I think the edge of this war is that Putin wants to rebuild a Russian sphere of influence in eastern Europe, principally embracing former Soviet republics such as now independent Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Georgia and Ukraine.  As long as he never gets back Ukraine, Putin will always be determined not to end this war. That way, he thinks he's profitable if Ukraine will never be a part of NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/12/russia-ukraine-what-does-putin-want

Money money money, that sounds like a lot of money they need there to start a war but it's true because of the high-powered vehicles and the pay for the soldiers are also expensive because their own lives are at risk here. Resources are now difficult to obtain because the connection to other countries is now closed or blocked due to penalties and even if they still have the money, they will still have a hard time getting the resources.

Russia is lucky despite of the hate of most countries to them, they are still friends with china and they can still get resources from this country. I don't think they will prolong this war when they know that it can cause them a problem in terms of finances.

Much of Ukraine's oil/gas deposits are in the Donbas and Crimea, the very areas that Russia has taken. The goal is to be able to hold on to those.


It's only been independent for a short amount of time during modern times, just since 1991. I think the main motivation to fight was because of how badly Ukraine has been treated under both Tsarist and Soviet times. They've been forcefully Russified and even genocided so that their fertile land can settled by Russians. The Russians claim to be the successors of the Kievan Rus while at the same time they sought to displace the Ukrainians.

This is what people have been guessing, Putin is a man that do not like to come out straight, he even said he is not invading Ukraine but he did. Likely wants back USSR is possible, he can even do it in a way it will be a modern USSR in a way the countries will not merge but be under the control of Russia, but some countrys that broke away from USSR are now part of NATO, countries like Latvia.

Ukraine is not ready to surrender, likely it may lead to world war. NATO is not helping Ukraine with soldiers but they are deploying more weaponry to Ukraine. Russia has prepared and backed by China as Chinese sees Russia victory as a means to achieve its aim and more opportunities for trading of goods and services between the two countries. But we have seen some wars that did not went as planned, this can be another failure for Russia but we do not know what will happen yet.

Do you understand that if Ukraine surrenders they will be vassals of Putin? Do you understand that they are fighting for their right to decide their own future and the possibility of having a free country? It is pretty much becoming a slave to the Russians and loosing any chance of choosing their future path by themselves.

What short of respect and peace will they ever have if they negotiate a surrender?

Wars of conquest are always to take advantage of other countries and favour your own. Ukrainians have lived in liberty for too long to accept a Tzar or even worse, a Putin.

In the first place NATO and US started this war indirectly so technically those are the beneficial countries from this WAR and Ukraine will be the one to suffer from the wrath of Russia.

I don't see the benefit of Russia in short term aside from acquiring Ukraine since there's a huge sanctions against them but still they have the goods that the world still needed, Russia is still an important source of coal especially for Germany.

I can understand to the money, money, money comment. Wars are extremely expensive, not only in direct cost of sustaining the war effort, but also to secondary costs in keep the economy going and making plans to obtain resources needed for the economy, that becomes more difficult to obtain, on both sides of the war. If this becomes a prolonged war, Russia will feel the financial impact and Europe will feel the increase in cost of alternative energy sources. It may just be in the end a decision between who can last the longest between potentially hunger and starvation on the one hand for Russia and high energy cost on the other hand for Europe.

You seem to have two things mixed up. War requires money in order to wage it. That is separate from the ultimate aim of wars which may have nothing to do with money. Putin grew up in an era where the Soviet Union had defeated Nazi Germany, but it left every country that it imposed with communism in financial, political and economic ruin. When the USSR fell, many of those countries decided that the Western way of government and democracy offered so much more - it was the only way to live free. Rather than make money from this invasion, he is simply trying to recreate the era that he grew up in - as an old man he has nothing left to lose and has shown that he will murder many people - both Russian soldiers and Ukrainians in order to achieve his pointless aim. This war is not about power, it is about influence and the fact that Putin thinks he has the right to dictate the future of sovereign democratic countries.

That sounds terrible.Its heartbreaking to see what Putin does to the Ukranian people. He needs to be stopped. If he can do this,it will courage him to continue to do it.I feel bad for  the Ukranian people but what is happening today is the result of Ukranians government poor decision.Russia might not be in the right but not in the wrong either.

Its very easy to see, if putin wins this war then taking over Ukraine is a big gain for him, money? I don't think so but a whole country? That's a big win, the only problem will be if NATO intervenes then it will be a bigger war than we are seeing now which I believe Putin can't win.

I also don't believe Russia's attacks are about money, because Russia had to pay a lot of money for the war with Ukraine. So Russia will not
benefit financially from this war, especially since Russia knows that Ukraine was previously part of the Russian empire. So this is actually related
to the Ukrainian government which is now more inclined to the US and NATO, even Ukraine volunteered to become a member of NATO.
Russia is uncomfortable and feels threatened by the current Ukrainian government which supports NATO more than its neighbor Russia.

As you said Ukraine is just bait and Russia wants to see a reaction from NATO on this matter. Will NATO help Ukraine which is not a member of
the NATO alliance, or let Ukraine be controlled by Russia. I myself really regret that Russia attacked Ukraine, because the victims were Ukrainians
who did not know anything. This issue should have been resolved through peaceful dialogue, so there would not have been many casualties and
Russia would not have to spend a lot of money on this war. But indeed Vladimir Putin's way of thinking is a little unpredictable, Hopefully this conflict
will end soon so that there are no more casualties from this war.

Since the beginning of Putin's attack on Ukraine, he must understand very well what sanctions Russia will receive...

China itself has informed Russia that it can continue to trade normally without worrying about sanctions from other countries. The trade between the two countries must have given Russia a very large amount of money, so that's why he is not afraid of economic sanctions from countries that are members of NATO.

Which would had be wiser though, dialogue peacefully so as to avoid the loss of lives of your citizens or go into war. Lets be realistic, do we think Ukraine can fight Russia, we all know the answer to that and that's a no. Russia aren't even fighting Ukraine because if they were to, they could have easily burnt down Ukraine by now. They're only testing the patience of the NATO countries, using Ukraine as bait and also US and other NATO knows this.

Hopefully this doesn't pass this level and both nations can come to an agreement quick enough. I wouldn't mind surrending and just try to make peace even though I would be looking like a coward doing do. The life of my citizens should be precious to me than any ambition. The Russian enemies you speak about knows Russia is waiting on them and don't mind losing life and properties for this. If you were to be in position of the said enemies, will you risk it all knowing you would record tremendous casualties.

I've read of the opposite.

It's the NATO/US that's been doing it wrongly. They're trying to put up those arms at the border of Russia for their own gain and that's what Russia has been angry about.

While the other border and neighboring countries to Russia, it had given a warning that they shouldn't join NATO and whichever country steps in to help Ukraine, they'll also attack them.

Too many money are flowing into this war.

The only way to profit from a war is NOT participating in the war.
Putin won't get any profits from invading Ukraine,but he doesn't care about profits.
He claims that he cares about "the national security of Russia",which means that he cares about the security of his own authoritarian regime.
There are ways for Russia to profit,perhaps the natural gas prices will hit 2000 euro,like Medvedev tweeted a few days ago,or the oil prices will hit a level above 100 dollars per barrel.In both cases Russia could increase it's revenue,but the question is:Will Europe keep buying Russian oil and gas?

well that's not the reason why putin declared war against Ukraine.

And how they become profitable after that war that despite of the situation surely they keep buying expensive weapon from other countries?

That war has a bad impact on their economy. So it's a big question to be honest if afterwards putin become profitable.  I cannot imagine how is that possible to happen.

To surrender to Russia means that they have lost sovereignty to Russia and then they will subject to Russian again and the Ukrainians don't want that. They want to stand with their president and they have already started to volunteer themselves for army and fight Russia. I think this war might turn into something that will bring confusion in the world. Time may come when some countries, the Russian enemies will develop sympathy for Ukraine.

Let me start by replacing profitability with other similar worlds like beneficiary then you can understand what Putin wants. Irrespective of how this war ends Putin has achieve his armed. He doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO and that isn't happening. Putin would either take control of Ukraine through force as he's doing or they'll come into a peaceful agreement that would be beneficiary to him. Putin just want to ensure NATO does take advantage of Ukraine to continue their eastward expansion.

It's either Putin wins or new world war begin which Russia is fully prepared for. Ukraine knows they'll be on the losing end and if they continue to resist, they might lose control of their country. Nobody is coming to save Ukraine so they better think fast and surrender.

I will also add a quote from Cicero, which sounds like this: "Better a bad peace than a good war"
Everyone has long known that Russia and Ukraine did not begin to quarrel with each other yesterday. But we choose presidents with you whose responsibility it is to keep their people safe. The fact that the presidents cannot negotiate peacefully, without waging war, is completely their fault, and ordinary people suffer, as always.
We are simple ordinary people, on both sides, the lives of their families, the health of their loved ones and relatives are important to people, this should be the prerogative of our relationship.
Therefore, wise rulers must make concessions, realizing that there will be no great love between peoples, but also realizing that preventing war should be the very first step.

What if the ultimate goal is not Ukraine? The way everything Putin doing highly recommended that possibility. That looks like a out of place operation which is very surprising for world 2nd largest military. Their attack should be coordinated and decisive but We have only seen some shelling, bombing and mercenary troops fighting. This war will be profitable or not this could be find out once we know Putin's ultimate plan.

There is financial gain in war, but that may not necessarily be the profit Putin has planned to make with the war against Ukraine. His profit may be in land and acquisition of power. Money on the other hand is the profit some other countries stand to gain from war. During wars, there is a large investment in weaponry and countries who manufacture weaponry are huge beneficiaries of war.

War is not supposed to be profitable unless the country under invasion has natural resources that's worth something. Ukraine has nothing. Putin views the invasion of Ukraine as an investment into Russia’s national security. Ukraine inevitably would have formed closer ties to the west and possibly would have joined NATO had it not been for an invasion. Putin understands the geopolitical pressure of having a western ally right on its border, so he's willing to eat the cost of war.

Yes Putin already is very rich and there are tons of rich people already in Russia. He is not doing this to make money. I don’t know exactly what his motives are but I think he wants to bring back the USSR pretty much. Wants to control more people.

When you got all the money in the world, you probably want to have control over a larger population. He wants to invade the capital and take control and hope people of Ukraine will follow him, whether that will work or not is anyone’s guess.

It began because NATO trying to arm Ukraine.Russia repeatedly warn US and NATO but they never listened.
Ukraine is not a part of NATO though,yet Russia has now invaded the country.Russia clearly wants under their control whether they are part of NATO or not.

I do agree about the NATO thingy, and what's what Putin wanted to prevent here, he doesn't want Ukraine to be part of NATO because he knows that they will get a lot of help.

Well we can go back to the history of Ukraine and Russia post USSR fall out, and maybe this is the reason why he doesn't want to recognized Ukraine because he believes they are still part of Russia by all means and that is enough for Putin to invade it no matter what the repercussions of his aggression. So for me there is no money involved.

Interesting quote, had not heard that one from Napoleon before. He’s certainly not wrong. I think Putins end game is to take a bunch of land, it’s people and resources that he has otherwise would not have had and add it all to the Russian economy. Over time it will pay for that cost of war, casualties/lives lost.

This is one reason, apart from this Putin wants to form the Soviet Russia which is the union of countries and be more powerful as the past. For now Ukraine looks like a hindrance as they weren't obeying the orders. This has happened after the new President Volodymyr Zelenskyy took rule of Ukraine. If he had behaved as a puppet as the previous president Petro Poroshenko now this couldn't have happened.

The Russian president Putin is using this war against the good people of Ukraine to bow to his plan and that they should not even think of joining NATO.

Ukraine is not part of NATO, we all know what will be the move of NATO if any NATO country is involved. NATO countries already said that before that no soldiers will be deployed to Ukraine which I believe is because of their agreement because Ukraine is not part of NATO.

Yes, that is what Putin wanted but some European countries are sending weaponry to Ukraine, I think they are involving themselves indirectly, but they do not deploy soldiers to Ukraine.

It is basically simple, Putin does not want the Western powers to slowly creep into his backyard and strengthen a nation he considers an opposition, Putin also aims to expose NATO as not actually being as strong as people think it is, that is why he strategically threatened NATO, EU, U.K, The U.S. and any other nation that tries to interfere prior to this invasion, that threat sent shock waves around the world, and that is exactly what Putin wanted, and just as he instilled that fear, no country has, or will interfere in this battle, at least not militarily, they are only doing so through sanctions.

Having said that, and as regards the sanctions, Russia does not seem to be too ruffled by them just yet, that could be another reason for this, i am pretty sure Putin was expecting this sanctions before he invaded, thus is he sending a message to other parts of Europe that Russia is too important, and they are actually the ones that cannot do without them, of course we know they are the leading producers of oil in Europe. To be honest we really cannot predict what is in it for Putin, does he want to capture Ukraine completely, in my opinion nothing is out of the cards for now, and their real motive would be revealed as things progress and in what direction it does; but for now it seems to be about establishing dominance.

Putin said Russia wants the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine which means the whole of Ukraine will be under Russia government control. Donald Trump said a person that wants to take over a country, that how will $2 sanction means anything to him. Putin wants to take control of the whole of Ukraine, may be looking for ways for a modern USSR.

His profit is simple, to win and control Ukraine region. Putin is not looking for financial benefit but a proof of superiority against Ukraine and if Putin get this to him he will assume the war is profitable to him anything else less for Putin is not profitable. To take Zelensky (Ukraine president) or chase him out from Ukraine is the target and the Ukraine president refused to bow out.

When there is anything that evolve materials then money is key and that's not just war alone everything around the world that demands materials mostly needs money. I deep down I pray the war stops it's affecting matins economy the poor the more the hardship is felt, there should be dialogue and peaceful resolution should hold on.

we don't know how putin's mind works but definitely he's very serious to finish this war with ukraine at all cost. he won't back down up until he didn't get what he wants. i don't think he started this war thinking that he will stop in the middle of it. nope... he started this aiming to win nothing else. losing is not in his vocabulary. why he stated that if somebody will interfere, they will suffer the consequences.
profitable or not, i guess by now, his main interest is to win this war over ukraine. so long he can show to the world that he has this power to invade the former soviet union republic, that's his main target. all the other things will follow once he got ukraine under his power.

According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?